RE: [backstage] more data visualisation links

2007-08-15 Thread Simon Cobb
Kim said: Useful or Playful? Is the question to ask. I'd argue that useful and playful can be part of the same thing. Certainly nothing ever stuck with me that I didn't enjoy using/ thinking about. Likewise many of the children I used to teach. The trick is to combine the 2. I think there's

Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

2007-08-15 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 15/08/07, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim said: Useful or Playful? Is the question to ask. I'd argue that useful and playful can be part of the same thing. Certainly nothing ever stuck with me that I didn't enjoy using/ thinking about. Likewise many of the children I used to

Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-15 Thread Matthew Cashmore
I need to make a confession ­ it appears that I uploaded a non-finished version of the interview to blip ­ it contained a fade halfway through Peter Brown’s interview ­ this was not intentional! I’ve now uploaded the correct version and hope you can all forgive me :-) http://blip.tv/file/339619/

RE: [backstage] more data visualisation links

2007-08-15 Thread Simon Cobb
That's a total cop-out, either you can explain why no usability testing is required or not. if I'd taken up either position, I would explain it, I'm not going to do it just because you ask. Personally I don't drink so I can't see why I would never discover the great truth that has been

Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

2007-08-15 Thread Jason Cartwright
Wouldn¹t the world be a boring place if everything was reduced to a result of some user testing? At some design conference I went to I saw (can¹t remember which one) a designery chap described the joy he had going to a book shop and buying a book that was wrapped in brown paper and string. The

Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

2007-08-15 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 15/08/07, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a total cop-out, either you can explain why no usability testing is required or not. if I'd taken up either position, I would explain it, I'm not going to do it just because you ask. Great. I take it you withdraw your earlier

Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

2007-08-15 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 15/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't the world be a boring place if everything was reduced to a result of some user testing? Probably. But if you want something to work for users it seems unavoidable. If you don't do it at the alpha or beta stage, then you're

Re: [backstage] more data visualisation links

2007-08-15 Thread Matthew Cashmore
Enough on this now please chaps ­ let¹s keep this nice. m On 15/8/07 11:32, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/08/07, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a total cop-out, either you can explain why no usability testing is required or not. if I'd taken up

RE: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-15 Thread Ian Forrester
And almost the last word on the yesterday and DRM? Cory's piece in the Guardian yesterday - http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/aug/14/comment.drm Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood

Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-15 Thread Tim Cowlishaw
On 8/15/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Utter, utter rubbish, that whole piece. Would you care to give us a slightly more reasoned critique, Richard? despite Cory's apparent predeliction for Soviet-Union-based metaphors (check out his other DRM article for the Guardian), i

Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-15 Thread Richard Lockwood
Yes. Utter, utter rubbish, that whole piece. R. On 8/15/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And almost the last word on the yesterday and DRM? Cory's piece in the Guardian yesterday - http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/aug/14/comment.drm Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ]

Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-15 Thread Matthew Cashmore
And there’s more... http://clesh.com/videos/view/BBCsdemo-118711.can/ From Stephen Streater who was filming at the event... m On 15/8/07 13:20, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And almost the last word on the yesterday and DRM? Cory's piece in the Guardian yesterday -

Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-15 Thread Richard Lockwood
Certainly. From my occasional online journal... He's arguing that the BBC's use of DRM in its new iPlayer service will legitimise the spread of DRM - at least I think that's what he's thinks he's arguing. Actually, it's a reason-free rant against DRM from the Everything should be free and

RE: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-15 Thread Andrew Bowden
Well for me iPlayer will legitimise BitTorrent, as soon as it's out of Beta, I will feel no moral obligation not to download the latest Dr Who, or whatever (I do currently; I've never torrented a TV programme). After all, the BBC will then be giving content away free on demand, I'll

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Richard Lockwood
Whereas, looking at the photos indicates that 20 is an exaggeration of about 100%. Cheers, R. On 8/15/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More likely, Organisers put the turnout at 800... R. On 8/15/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably on the news we'll get the

RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Paul Daniel
A view from America. http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheSecretDiaryOfSteveJobs/~3/144065882/freeta rds-attack-bbc-but-get-beaten-off.html Paul Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 15 August 2007 16:37 To:

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Matthew Cashmore
Well. When I was interviewing at about 10:45 there were 12 people there (that's when I took the photos) Ian then came down when I left and he came back and said there were about 20 people there after others joined. m On 15/8/07 16:54, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whereas,

Re: [backstage] From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest

2007-08-15 Thread vijay chopra
On 15/08/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a drinks company is giving away a can of drink free at a railway station (which happens), does that entitle you to go into Sainsburys and take one without paying for it? No, that would be stealing, I would be depriving the original

[backstage] INFAX catalogue edits (was: Re: From the front lines... Defective By Design Protest)

2007-08-15 Thread Tom Scott
vijay chopra wrote: On 15/08/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a drinks company is giving away a can of drink free at a railway station (which happens), does that entitle you to go into Sainsburys and take one without paying for it? One deprives someone of a tangeable object,

Re: [backstage] BT denies pressurising the BBC over iPlayer

2007-08-15 Thread Gordon Joly
At 08:59 +0100 14/8/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: If these Internet Service Providers don't want to provide Internet access that makes them another Great British oxymoron, surely? And they don't seem to want multicast either? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread vijay chopra
It seems you made it to the slashdot frontpage! http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1721229 Vijay On 15/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well. When I was interviewing at about 10:45 there were 12 people there (that's when I took the photos) Ian then came down

RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Paul Daniel
Dear Dave, Who is Dan Lyons? What is a shill? Who is M...? Namaste Paul Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Crossland Sent: 15 August 2007 18:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow,

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Martin Belam
Dan Lyons is a well known Microsoft shill. Who said outing him would spoil the Fake Steve Jobs fun? Although I do still like the fact that people put serious comments in reply to the posts, kind of like writing to one of the characters in Monkey Dust to set them straight about something :-)

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Martin Belam
From /. An anonymous reader writes The future of iPlayer, the BBC's new online on-demand system for delivering content, is continuing to look bleaker. With ISPs threatening to throttle the content delivered through the iPlayer, consumers petitioning the UK government and the BBC to drop the DRM

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 15/08/07, Paul Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dave, Who is Dan Lyons? A journalist for Forbes who has constantly attacked the software freedom movement. What is a shill? A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 14/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The irony is that it probably doesn't matter now. They could now download it using their Windows XP machine in DRMed Windows Media Format. All thanks to our new overlord Bill, and his maniacal scheme to take over the BBC from the inside.

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City

2007-08-15 Thread Gordon Joly
At 19:44 +0100 15/8/07, Dave Crossland wrote: On 15/08/07, Paul Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dave, Who is Dan Lyons? A journalist for Forbes who has constantly attacked the software freedom movement. What is a shill? A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services

When are we going to get another list? (was: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City)

2007-08-15 Thread Christopher Woods
I think that description of a shill is fairly accurate myself (but then, I don't think I always fall under the WP NPOV guidelines! ;) Now then, all this discussion regarding MS, DRM, fair use, more DRM, Apple, Windows, more DRM etc... I find hugely interesting, and I even take part in