Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread Andy Leighton
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:45:37PM +, James Cridland wrote: On 2/26/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably even worse. Your hurting the website even more - lowering the CTR [1] by registering an impression, yet user has no opportunity to click. [1]

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread Jason Cartwright
Doesn't. Depends whether the ad is good enough for you to click on. Not seen one yet - doubt I ever will. Yet more proof that this list is not indicative of the general internet users (which is understandable). Adverts get clicks and people make money from it. LOTS of money - for instance

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland On 2/26/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably even worse. Your hurting the website even more - lowering the CTR [1] by registering an

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread zen16083
them - but, from experience, I'd say that such people are in a minority. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:21 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread vijay chopra
On 28/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't. Depends whether the ad is good enough for you to click on. Not seen one yet - doubt I ever will. Yet more proof that this list is not indicative of the general internet users (which is understandable). Adverts get clicks and

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-27 Thread James Cridland
On 2/26/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably even worse. Your hurting the website even more - lowering the CTR [1] by registering an impression, yet user has no opportunity to click. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_Through_Rate Depends if you ever click ads...

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-26 Thread Jason Cartwright
Nobody can stop you blocking ads, but by doing so you are taking food from people's tables. Out of interest, how do you stand on hiding ads... (That being an option of Adblock) Probably even worse. Your hurting the website even more - lowering the CTR [1] by registering an impression, yet

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-26 Thread James Cridland
On 2/26/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of interest, how do you stand on hiding ads... (That being an option of Adblock) Probably even worse. Your hurting the website even more - lowering the CTR [1] by registering an impression, yet user has no opportunity to click. For

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-26 Thread vijay chopra
On 26/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, however if you are using other people's server juice and bandwidth then you should pay for it on their terms. Not a big ask. If the banner or whatever payment terms they have annoys you, then don't go back. If you don't want me to

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-26 Thread vijay chopra
On 26/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a point of interest, larger website owners *do* pay for the serving of the ads (as well, in most cases, as the advertiser). Incidentally, I have written stuff (for one of my websites) which blocks website content if the ads don't load.

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-26 Thread zen16083
by visiting an advertiserÂ… if only for a second or two. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:30 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-26 Thread vijay chopra
On 26/02/07, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/02/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, however if you are using other people's server juice and bandwidth then you should pay for it on their terms. Not a big ask.

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-26 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 26/02/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/02/07, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/02/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, however if you are using other people's server juice and bandwidth

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-26 Thread vijay chopra
On 26/02/07, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely disagree. The ToU of my website could preclude its use in the way you're proposing. I can take proportionate steps to enforce my ToU - which in this case could include preventing your proposed use. Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email:

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-26 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 26/02/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/02/07, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely disagree. The ToU of my website could preclude its use in the way you're proposing. I can take proportionate steps to enforce my ToU - which in this case could include