Of Richard P Edwards
Sent: 30 September 2010 20:31
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
Yes.. but this list was around before GeoIP, and before the
Rights holders had a clue about the internet. Equally
: 30 September 2010 17:42
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
And by doing so, they're only pissing off their best viewers - the early
adopters. Shooting themselves in the foot when hobbyists only want to
*help*
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They've
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010, Anthony McKale wrote:
Replace BBC with iPlayer and I'd agree with some of those points,
it's more a indifference and lack of care rather than being
directly hostile though.
I have to say, that's not true. The BBC has expended extra effort on:
a) Implementing newer and
However there's an additional point that people often forget
is that the BBC has (as any other entity) the need to protect
its name and brand. They can't allow one unauthorised client
without allowing them all, e.g. if a device manufacturer was
to launch a device with their own iPlayer
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010, David Dorward wrote:
The alternative would be aggravating the people who they have license
agreements with that let them put the content on the Internet in the first
place… which goes somewhat beyond foot shooting.
Those people, who make much use of free software
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010, Chris Warren wrote:
If a streaming-only client was distributed in binary form (to
ensure the software will always only be streaming-only) and keys
were sufficiently protected, and NDAs and commercial agreements
were signed you might get somewhere.
Binary offers no
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Andrew Bowden wrote:
There are people in the BBC who would love to let you do more with
iPlayer. And there are people in the BBC who are concerned about
people doing that. Cos how do you tell someone that the buggy app
they've just used isn't actually by the BBC and that
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, Stephen Jolly wrote:
Dev certs are indeed a bit of a red herring - they're what you need
to access the extranet-style wikis, repositories etc that the BBC
uses to collaborate with external developers under NDA, but the
whole system's been set up for something conceptually
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, David Dorward wrote:
Not least because the BBC has agreements about content with other
entities and has had to make such agreements with them.
So exactly what requirements do those agreements impose upon the BBC?
If we knew that, we might be able to help propose
On 1 Oct 2010, at 10:55, Paul Jakma wrote:
However there's an additional point that people often forget is that the BBC
has (as any other entity) the need to protect its name and brand. They can't
allow one unauthorised client without allowing them all
They could allow access to the HTML
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, David Dorward wrote:
1. If you look at the devices in the market which have access to
this; none of them provide a way to get the content off the device
(for redistribution or long term archiving). It seems reasonable to
assume that this is not a coincidence.
So its
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Paul Jakma wrote:
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, David Dorward wrote:
1. If you look at the devices in the market which have access to this; none
of them provide a way to get the content off the device (for redistribution
or long term archiving). It seems reasonable to assume that
On 1 Oct 2010, at 11:45, Paul Jakma wrote:
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, David Dorward wrote:
1. If you look at the devices in the market which have access to this; none
of them provide a way to get the content off the device (for redistribution
or long term archiving). It seems reasonable to
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, David Dorward wrote:
You mean iPhone here I guess:
iPad - has low quality video which has been being yanked for ages.
I suspect this has gone under the heading of acceptable loss
iPad - I'm yet to see someone pulling the video data from the
iPlayer web app they use here.
is a plain http stream - nothing fancy in that regard.
--- On Fri, 1/10/10, Paul Jakma p...@jakma.org wrote:
From: Paul Jakma p...@jakma.org
Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Date: Friday, 1 October, 2010, 12:07
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, David Dorward wrote
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:43, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
I've had that fortune. Some are good. Some are okay. Some are frankly
appalling. And they all have YouTube's logo on the top of the screen.
And the appalling ones look very bad on YouTube because YouTube's logo
is
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 13:49, Kieran Kunhya kie...@kunhya.com wrote:
Wii isn't too difficult to figure out, though it's more complicated. I have
actually had a little look at Wii iplayer myself to see how H.264 decoding is
done on such a feeble device. There are lots of layers of encrypted
(it was only this morning that I saw an advert for Sky+ which crowed
about the fact you can record an entire series and keep it around for
as long as you like...)
Until the box crashes and loses all of your recordings, natch.
Alex
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Now I'm not saying open source people write shoddy software
that would
reflect badly on the BBC, although if we're fair and
honest... well
some do.
It's not really an 'open source' thing. it's just 'third
parties'. it so happens that large commercial entities have a
route to
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 14:20, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
No it doesn't. But lets imagine that the UK TV system was being designed
right now... What do you think a popular request would be?
I'm sure it would be, but that doesn't alter its feasibility, does it?
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mo says:
the reason the big CE manufacturers can build TVs with iPlayer
implementations and yet none of us are allowed to do the same in
software alone is [..] largely about rightsholder agreements
(which is an impossible problem to solve,
because nobody outside of the parties to the
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
it uses some of them, but iplayer it's self is created from them too
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To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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on behalf of Mo McRoberts
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Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so i'm guessing no one
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
it uses some of them, but iplayer it's self is created from them too
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Subject: Re: [backstage] API
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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so i'm
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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so i'm guessing no
one should
mind
or at least it'll be a lesson to them
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From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Mo McRoberts
Sent: Wed 9/29/2010 2:52 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https
On 30 Sep 2010, at 16:41, Iain Wallace wrote:
Open Source gets a mention under meetings with Technology, Piracy and
Enforcement ticked in the header of the minutes.
If you can suggest a way of facilitating the former without facilitating the
things that rights-holders want to prevent, that
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Sent: Wed 9/29/2010 2:52 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
On 30 Sep 2010, at 17:42, Alex Cockell wrote:
And by doing so, they're only pissing off their best viewers - the early
adopters. Shooting themselves in the foot when hobbyists only want to *help*
The alternative would be aggravating the people who they have license
agreements with that
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Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so i'm
guessing no one should
mind
or at least it'll
Not quite the whole story. People intending to pirate material will have no
qualms about faking out the iPlayer backend by pretending to be a legit
client... While those which simply enable a wider reach onto architectures not
directly developed for, and are trying to act in good faith... Are
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Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so
i'm
guessing
: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so
i'm
guessing no one should
mind
or at least it'll be a lesson to them if they
didn't want
folks
Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so i'm
guessing no one should
mind
or at least it'll be a lesson to them
: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of
Mo McRoberts
Sent: Wed 9/29/2010 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https
on behalf of Mo
McRoberts
Sent: Wed 9/29/2010 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't
://whomwah.com/
http://whomwah.github.com/radioaunty/
Zap
-Original Message-
From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Ant Miller
Sent: Tue 9/28/2010 8:14 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
Not that I would ever dissuade someone
PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
Not that I would ever dissuade someone from exercising their democratic
rights, but an foi for a technical api is unlikely to get results.
There is an effort underway to make the provision of such data
Cockell
Sent: 29 September 2010 12:14
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
Ok... Now the Big Question. Asked by Paul Jakma, Dink and LOADS
of open source devs...
How do FOSS developers get
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:18, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Well BBC dev certs tend to give the holder huge amounts of access over our
internal wikis, bug tracking systems and more! So don't take it personally!
I think the question Alex is gunning for is:
What is the process
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:18, Andrew Bowden
andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Well BBC dev certs tend to give the holder huge amounts of
access over
our internal wikis, bug tracking systems and more! So
don't take it personally!
I think the question Alex is gunning for is:
What is
On 29 Sep 2010, at 12:23, Mo McRoberts wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:18, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Well BBC dev certs tend to give the holder huge amounts of access over our
internal wikis, bug tracking systems and more! So don't take it personally!
I think the
On 29 Sep 2010, at 12:46, Stephen Jolly wrote:
I suspect that there is currently no way for third parties to get access to
iPlayer *content* without providing satisfactory guarantees that the content
will only be used in certain specific ways.
Not least because the BBC has agreements about
- Original message -
On 29 Sep 2010, at 12:23, Mo McRoberts wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:18, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk
wrote:
Well BBC dev certs tend to give the holder huge amounts of access
over our internal wikis, bug tracking systems and more! So don't
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:46, Stephen Jolly st...@jollys.org wrote:
I suspect that there is currently no way for third parties to get access to
iPlayer *content* without providing satisfactory guarantees that the content
will only be used in certain specific ways. I also suspect that *by
@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:18, Andrew Bowden
andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Well BBC dev certs tend to give the holder huge amounts of
access over
our internal wikis, bug tracking systems and more! So
don't take
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:23, Anthony McKale anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
yah the feeds aren't https/firewall protected so i'm guessing no one should
mind
or at least it'll be a lesson to them if they didn't want folks accessing
them
If memory serves either the EMP SWF itself or the
it uses some of them, but iplayer it's self is created from them too
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From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Mo McRoberts
Sent: Wed 9/29/2010 2:52 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14
Hi Alex,
Can you give me a pointer to the blog post please? There have been some
discussions around APIs, but I can't be sure which one you're thinking of,
a
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Alex Cockell
a...@acockell.eclipse.co.ukwrote:
Hi all,
There was comment on a recently highlghted
Title was BBC iPlayer standard products on tv platforms. Mine is the 36th
comment
- Original message -
Hi Alex,
Can you give me a pointer to the blog post please? There have been some
discussions around APIs, but I can't be sure which one you're thinking
of,
a
On Tue, Sep
On 28 September 2010 12:47, Ant Miller ant.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you give me a pointer to the blog post please? There have been some
discussions around APIs, but I can't be sure which one you're thinking of,
This blog post
stude.l...@googlemail.com
Sent: 28 September 2010 18:32
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] API into iPlayer content
On 28 September 2010 12:47, Ant Miller ant.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you give me a pointer to the blog post please? There have been some
discussions around APIs
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