[ccp4bb] Fwd: Crystallographic Software Fayre (ECM27, Bergen)

2012-05-11 Thread Harry Powell
Hi folks Any of you who are considering attending ECM27 in Bergen may be interested in some of the sessions that have been arranged at this Software Fayre. The full list of Microsymposia at ECM27 should be available in the next couple of days From: Martin Lutz m.l...@uu.nl Date: 10 May 2012

Re: [ccp4bb] data backup

2012-05-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Is there a fix for this? It has been a perennial request for some time.. eleanor On 9 May 2012 10:53, sonali dhindwal sonali11dhind...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Dear All, I want to take the backup of all my data which i have refined using CCP4. Can you please guide if I copy all the ccp4 data

[ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Rajesh Kumar
Dear All, This question sounds simple but I dont know the answer.I was preparing a 24 well crystal screen. When I try to use 10 mM ZnSO4 with HEPES (pH 7.6) buffer it precipitates. I tried both ZnCl2 and Zn acetate the effect is same. I dont know why this Zn in not compatible with

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Jacob Keller
Try adding water first, so that you are not mixing concentrated Zn with concentrated HEPES. Also it depends what else is in your cocktail. JPK On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Rajesh Kumar ccp4...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear All, This question sounds simple but I dont know the answer. I was

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread David Schuller
On 05/11/12 12:26, Rajesh Kumar wrote: Dear All, This question sounds simple but I dont know the answer. I was preparing a 24 well crystal screen. When I try to use 10 mM ZnSO4 with HEPES (pH 7.6) buffer it precipitates. I tried both ZnCl2 and Zn acetate the effect is same. I dont know why

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Rajesh Kumar
Initial screen was 0.1 M Hepes 7.5 and 1.25 M LiSO4. I added ZnSO4 to HEPES and immediately it precipitated.Just now I tried to add 10 mM ZnSO4 in to tube after volume is made up and only with HEPES 100mM pH 7.5.It happens as earlier. So is there any way I could use Zn with HEPES. I thought

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Rajesh Kumar
If there is no cure , then fine.pH may not be the answer as it doesn't Happen with TRIS buffer pH 7.6.Thanks to every oneRajesh Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 12:35:45 -0400 From: dj...@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK There is no

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Pius Padayatti
pH is the culprit here Like some already mentioned change your pH to 6.4 and use a different buffer like cacodylate or you can use Zinc acetate in water pH still would be 6.4 from your last mail why would you add Zn to your initial hit condition is there any rationale? Padayatti On Fri, May 11,

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Katherine Sippel
That is probably because you pH Tris with HCl rather than HEPES with NaOH. The Ksp for Zn(OH)2 is 3x10^17 so the excess hydroxides are probably what are killing your solution. Cheers, Katherine On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Rajesh Kumar ccp4...@hotmail.com wrote: If there is no cure ,

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Rajesh Kumar
The rationale was to see if Zn could make differences in crystal morphology. This is because the protein has CxxC and CxxH similar to a zinc finger motif.All my efforts, additive screening, MMS, streaking, micro batch, hanging drop, changing drop ratio, drop shape, did not help me to either

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Jacob Keller
Just to make sure I understand pH correctly: isn't it true that the [OH-] should always be the same at a given pH (by definition)? JPK On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Katherine Sippel katherine.sip...@gmail.com wrote: That is probably because you pH Tris with HCl rather than HEPES with

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Roger Rowlett
Almost assuredly you are getting zinc hydroxide precipitate. Zn(OH)2 will readily precipitate from solutions of alkaline Zn(II). Your problem is compounded by the fact that HEPES is a non-coordinating buffer, so it does not help solubilize the zinc ion. You might find a weakly coordinating

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES/seeding

2012-05-11 Thread Rajesh Kumar
Dear Patrick, You along with others had made some suggestions last time. May be its a good time to update. With classical screening, I got a crystal like appearances/shower with HEPES 7.5 and LiSo4 1.5M. Trying to vary the pH of Hepes or using Tris and with different conc of Lithium I could

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES/seeding

2012-05-11 Thread Jacob Keller
mitegen loops might help, particularly micromesh... JPK On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Rajesh Kumar ccp4...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear Patrick, You along with others had made some suggestions last time. May be its a good time to update. With classical screening, I got a crystal like

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES/seeding

2012-05-11 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
It sounds as though microseeding worked very well, but the crystals are still growing far too quickly. Try diluting the protein and/or the reservoir solution to half the concs you are using or lower. To have enough protein you need larger drops, say 500 + 500 + 200 by hand if you can't do it

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Edward A. Berry
Jacob Keller wrote: Just to make sure I understand pH correctly: isn't it true that the [OH-] should always be the same at a given pH (by definition)? Maybe not by definition but by equilibration with [H+] to make water: [H][OH]/[H2O] = Kw [OH] = Kw[H2O]/[H] if [W]

Re: [ccp4bb] zinc with HEPES

2012-05-11 Thread Katherine Sippel
You are correct. My Friday frazzled brain is stuck in pharmacology mode so I was thinking not of free hydroxide concentration but in terms of potential exchangable groups being sequestered by the buffer. No more posting on Friday. My apologies. Katherine On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Jacob