Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Almost everything! This happens to all programmers for a couple of reasons. First, we quite often have our hands tied on some of the methods we would like to use (i.e. a client tells you that you CANT use stored procedures, even though everything you (and other programmers) know about the situation says they are the best choice. Secondly, working through a project educates us on both the required routines, and the languages involved. I learn more about CF coding the more I have to write CF code. These two points on their own are enough for all of us to reflect on things that could have been done better. My thoughts Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
I can't imagine that anybody is happy with everything they have ever coded and if they are they must not be progressing and learning. I think the question is have you ever gone back and modified something for an old client without charging him out of embarassmanet? :) I have BJ = = = Original message = = = Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Heck yeah. I look at old code and ask myself what I was smoking when I wrote it all the time. I think we all do. The importance is realizing that ... you did it and you accept that it's wrong and you learn from it. grain_o_salt And... figure out how to market from your mistakes. ;) Make a better app and offer it as an 'upgrade'. ;) /grain_o_salt ~Todd On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Phoeun Pha wrote: Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
I have always heard that no matter what, there will be 2 programmers that look at and edit your code; the programmer you were when you wrote the code and the programmer you are now. With every project you will probably get a little better, even with a couple years experience under your belt... Jim Vosika http://www.softwaresupermall.com -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
huh, the code i wrote last week.i could now write better...everyday i'm involved in CF-Talk, my code gets better amd my career is better for it. - Original Message - From: Phoeun Pha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Well uh... yes, I think I could safely say that you represent the experience of most all of us. Since there is a short time span between learning a little cf and then doing something useful it's a safe bet that most CF folks write a lot of bad code in the beginning... unless they were just afraid to do it before the last chapter ha. In fact, a good part of our business is in modifying, upgrading or optimizing broken or crappy cf code (most of which we did not write... I said most). Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? The day I will stop having that kind of feeling I will start worrying :-) Massimo __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Yes. Everything ;D You learn something new every day. That post by Bryan Love a few days back on record locking got me thinking, and with a couple of minor additions became a pretty cool lo-overhead locking tool. Never had one of those in CF before. Happy Friday, --- Matt Robertson[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc., www.mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- from: Phoeun Pha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:30:43 -0500 Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
CF is one of those languages that you eventually hit a point where you know pretty much everything syntax-wise. No matter how much longer you code, you still can't learn that much more. As time goes along, you start to grow as an architect - realize all the things you should have done before you wrote your code. That's what separates the code monkeys from the architects. --- Billy Cravens -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Almost everything! This happens to all programmers for a couple of reasons. First, we quite often have our hands tied on some of the methods we would like to use (i.e. a client tells you that you CANT use stored procedures, even though everything you (and other programmers) know about the situation says they are the best choice. Secondly, working through a project educates us on both the required routines, and the languages involved. I learn more about CF coding the more I have to write CF code. These two points on their own are enough for all of us to reflect on things that could have been done better. My thoughts Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
ahahaha!! very well put about the upgrade! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Heck yeah. I look at old code and ask myself what I was smoking when I wrote it all the time. I think we all do. The importance is realizing that ... you did it and you accept that it's wrong and you learn from it. grain_o_salt And... figure out how to market from your mistakes. ;) Make a better app and offer it as an 'upgrade'. ;) /grain_o_salt ~Todd On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Phoeun Pha wrote: Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
I think a good part of a lot of businesses is modifying, upgrading or rewriting other people's code. One man's best attempt/success is another man's frustration. :) ~Todd On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: Well uh... yes, I think I could safely say that you represent the experience of most all of us. Since there is a short time span between learning a little cf and then doing something useful it's a safe bet that most CF folks write a lot of bad code in the beginning... unless they were just afraid to do it before the last chapter ha. In fact, a good part of our business is in modifying, upgrading or optimizing broken or crappy cf code (most of which we did not write... I said most). Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
I think I am at architect level now (in my humblest gesture). hehe But it's funny, about a year ago, the development room was dubbed the Monkey Cage heh -Original Message- From: Cravens, Billy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built CF is one of those languages that you eventually hit a point where you know pretty much everything syntax-wise. No matter how much longer you code, you still can't learn that much more. As time goes along, you start to grow as an architect - realize all the things you should have done before you wrote your code. That's what separates the code monkeys from the architects. --- Billy Cravens -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Almost everything! This happens to all programmers for a couple of reasons. First, we quite often have our hands tied on some of the methods we would like to use (i.e. a client tells you that you CANT use stored procedures, even though everything you (and other programmers) know about the situation says they are the best choice. Secondly, working through a project educates us on both the required routines, and the languages involved. I learn more about CF coding the more I have to write CF code. These two points on their own are enough for all of us to reflect on things that could have been done better. My thoughts Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
There are a bunch of apps that I would write differently, too. If there weren't any, *then* there would be a *big* problem. It's important that you keep learning and applying what you learn to how you do your job. That's one of the reasons programming is considered a profession and not a craft (although certainly there are a lot of craft-like aspects to programming). It also goes beyond just technical skill. I put a lot more efforts into communication. Things like writing better email, better comments, etc... Lately I've been learning Scheme*, which is a very different language from CF, but it's changed how I think about programming, and, as a result, how I program. Now, I'm much more inclined to think about how I want to represent the problem, and make a conscious decision about how I want to think about the problem domain. *I got through The Little Schemer, now I'm working on Scheme and the Art of Programming, next is Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programming. SICP is considered by many to be the best book on programming ever written. The full text is available on line: http://www-mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/. Keep reading, and keep learning! Twice five syllables, Plus seven, can't say much, but ... That's haiku for you. Jeff Polaski Manager, Web Services Research Graduate Studies University California, Irvine -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Yes, everything. Everyone looks back at their code and finds where you can improve. But you have deadlines to meet which pay your bills. This is real world code not academic code. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Phoeun Pha wrote: Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
This thread reminds me of The Tao of Programming... for those of you who have been around long enough to have seen it.. grins Anyone know a link to it? While it's meant to be humerous, there are some points to ponder in there that relate to this conversation... My thoughts... Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Polaski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built There are a bunch of apps that I would write differently, too. If there weren't any, *then* there would be a *big* problem. It's important that you keep learning and applying what you learn to how you do your job. That's one of the reasons programming is considered a profession and not a craft (although certainly there are a lot of craft-like aspects to programming). It also goes beyond just technical skill. I put a lot more efforts into communication. Things like writing better email, better comments, etc... Lately I've been learning Scheme*, which is a very different language from CF, but it's changed how I think about programming, and, as a result, how I program. Now, I'm much more inclined to think about how I want to represent the problem, and make a conscious decision about how I want to think about the problem domain. *I got through The Little Schemer, now I'm working on Scheme and the Art of Programming, next is Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programming. SICP is considered by many to be the best book on programming ever written. The full text is available on line: http://www-mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/. Keep reading, and keep learning! Twice five syllables, Plus seven, can't say much, but ... That's haiku for you. Jeff Polaski Manager, Web Services Research Graduate Studies University California, Irvine -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
i got to stop doing that. every time i write an app, i always look back on it them when i'm between projects and try to tweak them here and there. call it obsession if you want. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Yes, everything. Everyone looks back at their code and finds where you can improve. But you have deadlines to meet which pay your bills. This is real world code not academic code. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Phoeun Pha wrote: Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Im with Charlie 100% on this one. I can better things I did YESTERDAY, everyday. ..and even though I haven't been at it long, YES I've swapped code under a clients nose to save myself some embarrassment : ) - Original Message - From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? The day I will stop having that kind of feeling I will start worrying :-) Massimo __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Is that like The Tao of Pooh ;o) -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built This thread reminds me of The Tao of Programming... for those of you who have been around long enough to have seen it.. grins Anyone know a link to it? While it's meant to be humerous, there are some points to ponder in there that relate to this conversation... My thoughts... Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Polaski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built There are a bunch of apps that I would write differently, too. If there weren't any, *then* there would be a *big* problem. It's important that you keep learning and applying what you learn to how you do your job. That's one of the reasons programming is considered a profession and not a craft (although certainly there are a lot of craft-like aspects to programming). It also goes beyond just technical skill. I put a lot more efforts into communication. Things like writing better email, better comments, etc... Lately I've been learning Scheme*, which is a very different language from CF, but it's changed how I think about programming, and, as a result, how I program. Now, I'm much more inclined to think about how I want to represent the problem, and make a conscious decision about how I want to think about the problem domain. *I got through The Little Schemer, now I'm working on Scheme and the Art of Programming, next is Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programming. SICP is considered by many to be the best book on programming ever written. The full text is available on line: http://www-mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/. Keep reading, and keep learning! Twice five syllables, Plus seven, can't say much, but ... That's haiku for you. Jeff Polaski Manager, Web Services Research Graduate Studies University California, Irvine -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
try this http://www.gnomehome.demon.nl/uddf/pages/zzztao.htm for the Tao of Programming -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built This thread reminds me of The Tao of Programming... for those of you who have been around long enough to have seen it.. grins Anyone know a link to it? While it's meant to be humerous, there are some points to ponder in there that relate to this conversation... My thoughts... Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Polaski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built There are a bunch of apps that I would write differently, too. If there weren't any, *then* there would be a *big* problem. It's important that you keep learning and applying what you learn to how you do your job. That's one of the reasons programming is considered a profession and not a craft (although certainly there are a lot of craft-like aspects to programming). It also goes beyond just technical skill. I put a lot more efforts into communication. Things like writing better email, better comments, etc... Lately I've been learning Scheme*, which is a very different language from CF, but it's changed how I think about programming, and, as a result, how I program. Now, I'm much more inclined to think about how I want to represent the problem, and make a conscious decision about how I want to think about the problem domain. *I got through The Little Schemer, now I'm working on Scheme and the Art of Programming, next is Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programming. SICP is considered by many to be the best book on programming ever written. The full text is available on line: http://www-mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/. Keep reading, and keep learning! Twice five syllables, Plus seven, can't say much, but ... That's haiku for you. Jeff Polaski Manager, Web Services Research Graduate Studies University California, Irvine -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
The most embarassing code I've written involved displaying the names of events in calendar-like page (each day would list the events). Well, I have never used the GROUPING attribute in the CFOUTPUT, so instead I ended up looping through the query for the right events, and if the event matches that day, then display it. And it did this for every DAY that was displayed!! (about 100 in all) -Original Message- From: Ewok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Im with Charlie 100% on this one. I can better things I did YESTERDAY, everyday. .and even though I haven't been at it long, YES I've swapped code under a clients nose to save myself some embarrassment : ) - Original Message - From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? The day I will stop having that kind of feeling I will start worrying :-) Massimo __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
I think this is it: http://www.terrible.cx/tao/book/1 Good link! Jeff Polaski The ant has made himself illustrious Through constant industry industrious. So what? Would you be calm and placid If you were full of formic acid? -- Ogden Nash -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built This thread reminds me of The Tao of Programming... for those of you who have been around long enough to have seen it.. grins Anyone know a link to it? While it's meant to be humerous, there are some points to ponder in there that relate to this conversation... My thoughts... Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Polaski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 12:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion Apps You've Built There are a bunch of apps that I would write differently, too. If there weren't any, *then* there would be a *big* problem. It's important that you keep learning and applying what you learn to how you do your job. That's one of the reasons programming is considered a profession and not a craft (although certainly there are a lot of craft-like aspects to programming). It also goes beyond just technical skill. I put a lot more efforts into communication. Things like writing better email, better comments, etc... Lately I've been learning Scheme*, which is a very different language from CF, but it's changed how I think about programming, and, as a result, how I program. Now, I'm much more inclined to think about how I want to represent the problem, and make a conscious decision about how I want to think about the problem domain. *I got through The Little Schemer, now I'm working on Scheme and the Art of Programming, next is Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programming. SICP is considered by many to be the best book on programming ever written. The full text is available on line: http://www-mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/. Keep reading, and keep learning! Twice five syllables, Plus seven, can't say much, but ... That's haiku for you. Jeff Polaski Manager, Web Services Research Graduate Studies University California, Irvine -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
Well, I did go through this phase when I first learned structures where *everything* was put into a structure and stuffed into Application scope. I brought more than one development server to it's knees doing that. But once that data was loaded, it was downright zippy. I'm more thoughtful about how I save stuff in scope now. Especially since locking came onto the scene. I'll occasionally go back and look at stuff and scratch my head. And sometimes I'll find a gem that impresses me even now. Sharon - Original Message - From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? The day I will stop having that kind of feeling I will start worrying :-) Massimo __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built
On 6/14/02, Phoeun Pha penned: Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? HAH! Everything from the first thing I wrote 3 years ago to what I did last week likely. It's an ongoing learning process. Obviously the early stuff is garbage to look at now, but no matter how long you do something, you're always going to learn and get better at it. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Amen, every app I've ever written could have been better if they weren't such cheapskates, and just told me what they wanted and when, then disappeared until I called them. :) jon - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Coldfusion Apps You've Built Yes, everything. Everyone looks back at their code and finds where you can improve. But you have deadlines to meet which pay your bills. This is real world code not academic code. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Phoeun Pha wrote: Hey guys, I'm 2 years in the CF game, and so far I've built a timesheet program, and events administration, countless shopping carts, pharmacy prescription app. But looking back at my code, it was verry bddd! Like I could think of a hundred places to do things differently, either form CF or from the database design. Obviously it was because of lack of experience Was there anything that you guys have built for past clients that you now know could have been coded better? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
