Re: [Computer-go] Reminder: Handicap-29 Prize

That's easy enough. Mfog12 trial is a free download and I can provide a registration code for the computer used for any competition to enable the 12 kyu level. 12 kyu has not full board search, monte carlo or otherwise. David -Original Message- From: Computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

Competitive with Alpha-go, one developer, not possible. I do think it is possible to make a pro level program with one person or a small team. Look at Deep Zen and Aya for example. I expect I’ll get there (pro level) with Many Faces as well. David From: Computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] ICGA Journal with new Steam

Thanks to the new volunteers. I hope the new team will consider making the journal available online. Rémi - Mail original - De: "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> À: computer-go@computer-go.org Envoyé: Jeudi 5 Janvier 2017 21:32:55 Objet: [Computer-go] ICGA Journal with new Steam

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } During its training, AlphaGo played many handicap games against a previous version of itself, so the team and the program are

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

On 05.01.2017 17:32, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: I don't follow. 1) "For each arcane position reached, there would now be ample data for AlphaGo to train on that particular pathway." is false. See below. 2) "two strategies. The first would be to avoid the state in the first place." Does AlphaGo

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

On 06.01.2017 03:36, David Ongaro wrote: Two amateur players where analyzing a Game and a professional player happened to come by. So they asked him how he would assess the position. After a quick look he said “White is > leading by two points”. The two players where wondering: “You can count

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

That was a quite elegant way to present the idea. Ty for sharing. On Jan 5, 2017 8:36 PM, "David Ongaro" wrote: > This discussion reminds me of an incident which happened at the EGC in > Tuchola 2004 (maybe someone can find a source for this). I don’t remember > all

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

Hello, On 2017/01/06 3:34, Xavier Combelle wrote: >> Honestly I got a little frustrated that many people didn't think that >> was AlphaGo. It was almost clear to me because I know the difficulty of >> developing AlphaGo-like bots. > thanks for this insight, if I understand well developing a bot >

[Computer-go] ICGA Journal with new Steam

Hello everybody, as some of you know, I am Vice President of the ICGA (= International Computer Games Association). After a very long and successful period (over 30 years) with Prof. Dr. Jaap van den Herik as Chief Editor, now a new team will steer the Journal. The official statement of the ICGA

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

The sheer amount of processing power required is kinda frustrating.. Not able to use my computer for a whole month in order to train knowing it is only 1/100th the training time AlphaGo was trained with.. Yet it is extremely satisfying to see it grow stronger and surpass oneself.. I hope at some

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

> On Jan 5, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > > Hi, > > what makes you think the opening theory with reverse komi would be the > same as with standard komi? > > I would be afraid to invest an enormous amount of time just to learn, > that you have to open differently

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

I mean as a company too, until this point none has succeed Le 05/01/2017 à 19:35, Adrian Petrescu a écrit : > As an individual? Probably, yes. > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Xavier Combelle > > wrote: > > > > Le 05/01/2017 à

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

It helps a lot if you have to do it as a job, as a paid researcher. I once tried it as a volunteer job for a company I worked for at the time, but we only got the basic infrastructure going, after half a year of work, with two people. We were trying a neural network approach, while everybody said

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

Le 05/01/2017 à 02:16, Yamato a écrit : > Yes, it is AlphaGo. I am relieved that DeepMind clarified this. > > Honestly I got a little frustrated that many people didn't think that > was AlphaGo. It was almost clear to me because I know the difficulty of > developing AlphaGo-like bots. thanks for

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

It's one thing to know the recipe; it's another to have an industrial-size kitchen. Google was able to throw truly gargantuan amounts of computing resources at this problem. A few years back, a researcher - was it  Remi Coulon? - was able to scrounge a few thousand cores for a tournament.

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

For each arcane position reached, there would now be ample data for AlphaGo to train on that particular pathway. And it would emerge two strategies. The first would be to avoid the state in the first place. And the second would be to optimize play in that particular state. So, the human advantage

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Thanks, Horace, On 2017-01-05 at 04:07, Horace Ho wrote: > The players and the results (in Chinese): > > [..] passing this on :-) Greetings, Tom ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

> Honestly I got a little frustrated that many people didn't think that > was AlphaGo. It was almost clear to me because I know the difficulty of > developing AlphaGo-like bots. > I feel with you. People seem to think that the Nature paper gave away the full recipe.

Re: [Computer-go] SGF

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 01:28:34PM -0700, Anders Kierulf wrote: >> It would be good if your document would clearly state which properties >> are part of the FF[4] standard and which ones you’re adding. >> For example, JD (Japanese Date) is not in FF[4], yet is listed as >> “standardized in this

Re: [Computer-go] Reminder: Handicap-29 Prize

Hi, a few years ago we had agreed that for winning the bet it would be sufficient to beat the non-deterministic 12-kyu level of MFoG 11 (or MFoG 12). This level has no Monte Carlo elements ionvolved. Ingo.     Gesendet: Donnerstag, 05. Januar 2017 um 04:15 Uhr Von: fotl...@smart-games.com An: 

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

> > > what makes you think the opening theory with reverse komi would be the > same as with standard komi? > > The value network only needs to know a given position of the board and a piece of information who plays next, whether it is a green player or a red player. Then it tells you a winning

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hi, what makes you think the opening theory with reverse komi would be the same as with standard komi? I would be afraid to invest an enormous amount of time just to learn, that you have to open differently in reverse komi games :) Detlef Am 05.01.2017 um 10:50 schrieb Paweł Morawiecki: >

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

2017-01-04 21:07 GMT+01:00 David Ongaro : > > [...]So my question is: is it possible to have reverse Komi games by > feeding the value network with reverse colors? > In the paper from Nature (subsection "Features for policy/value network"), authors state: *the stone