[computer-go] cgos3: Small fix

2007-05-21 Thread Heikki Levanto
I noticed that the simple tcl client outputs many lines like this: 09:21:30S-C info Estimated time until next round: 06:53 09:21:30Estimated time until next round: 06:53 As those scroll interesting info out of my screen, I disabled the line that outputs the second line. All the info is

[computer-go] Re: cgos3: Small fix

2007-05-21 Thread Don Dailey
The info messages were designed for an eventual graphical client. The idea being to send this and perhaps other info that could be displayed in a separate window. The S-C is server to client for debugging. So really I could turn off the lines that have the messages going back and forth. You

[computer-go] Re: Amsterdam 2007 paper

2007-05-21 Thread David Silver
On 5/18/07, Rémi Coulom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My idea was very similar to what you describe. The program built a collection of rules of the kind if condition then move. Condition could be anything from a tree-search rule of the kind in this particular position play x, or general rule such

[computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:46:24AM -0600, David Silver wrote: But... in practice, I haven't got good results on larger boards. But to be honest, I've focused much more on 9x9, so perhaps I've missed some simple tricks. I think there has been a marked change of interest since the

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Don Dailey
There has been much talk of a 19x19 CGOS and I have had people offer systems to run it on. I think Dave Dyer also would let us run a 19x19 version. David Doshay has offered some space for it too - which is what I am leaning towards right now. I haven't implemented any of the handicap stuff,

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Chris Fant
There has been much talk of a 19x19 CGOS and I have had people offer systems to run it on. I think Dave Dyer also would let us run a 19x19 version. ... I still have this horrible fear that 9x9 would suffer if several programs moved over to 19x19. Or perhaps BOTH would suffer from a lack

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread terry mcintyre
I have a dual-core AMD64 which is unused and connected to the internet for a most of the day, and would be delighted to volunteer it for running an instance of a 19x19 go program for cgos. Terry McIntyre UNIX for hire software development / systems administration / security [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Don Dailey
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 15:13 -0400, Chris Fant wrote: There has been much talk of a 19x19 CGOS and I have had people offer systems to run it on. I think Dave Dyer also would let us run a 19x19 version. ... I still have this horrible fear that 9x9 would suffer if several programs

[computer-go] Re: 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Dave Dyer
I suggest that it would be more convenient for everyone if various sizes of cgos all ran on the same server. If you want to donate horsepower to the project, a good use of the resource would be to run anchorman type clients. ___ computer-go mailing

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 03:13:09PM -0400, Chris Fant wrote: Why not 13x13 before 19x19? Because the next step would be 15x15, and then 17x17, and when (if) we get to 19x19, there are so few competitors around that the whole tournament won't make any sense. I think it is better to stick to 9x9

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Joshua Shriver
I agree 9x9 is wonderful, but a 19x19 for deep testing would be nice. To many variations and you risk the threat of diluting the engine pool. -Josh On 5/21/07, Heikki Levanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 03:13:09PM -0400, Chris Fant wrote: Why not 13x13 before 19x19?

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Don Dailey
You missed 11x11. I used to test a lot with 11x11. I think it's a great size, a big step up from 9x9 and more go-like than 9x9 but still easy to test. But I agree with Heikki - we probably don't want too many variants. Perhaps I set up 19x19 tomorrow on Dave Dyers server. I'm think 20 minutes

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread terry mcintyre
Two variants will be difficult enough to support. If it's possible to build an infrastructure to permit volunteers to put their spare cycles to work for a various periods of time ( something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] ), perhaps there would be enough spare capacity to test a variety of programs.

Re: [computer-go] Re: 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Don Dailey
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 14:01 -0700, Dave Dyer wrote: I suggest that it would be more convenient for everyone if various sizes of cgos all ran on the same server. If you want to donate horsepower to the project, a good use of the resource would be to run anchorman type clients. Are you saying

[computer-go] Re: 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Don Dailey
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 16:52 -0700, Dave Dyer wrote: I figured that a credible anchor player for 19x19 might need a lot of cycles, and need to play a lot of games at first, so spreading the load would be a good idea. Yes, that's true. When the server first goes up, there are no rated players

Re: [computer-go] Re: Amsterdam 2007 paper

2007-05-21 Thread Yamato
Rémi, May I ask you some more questions? (1) You define Dj as Dj=Mij*ci+Bij. Is it not Aij but Bij? What does this mean? (2) You have relatively few shape patterns. How large is each pattern? 5x5, 7x7, or more? (3) You say the nth move is added when 40*1.4^(n-2) simulations have