This was an interesting read. I would take a small exception to the
first study group being students. I can attest that it is more difficult
to have one's mind changed as one gets older ;-) . I'm sure there must
be an equation out there for this condition.
Regardless, it's worth reading,
I just watched a show on the Science Channel, I think. Can't remember
what it was called, but it had to do with 7 people of differing
abilities who where at the top of their fields and then measuring
their intelligence in different ways. However, one of the things
brought out in the show
I just watched a show on the Science Channel, I think. Can't remember
what it was called, but it had to do with 7 people of differing
abilities who where at the top of their fields and then measuring
their intelligence in different ways. However, one of the things
brought out in the show
The unfortunate part is every time my son brought home his High
school PreCalc book, it reminded how much I did not remember
Stewart
At 08:07 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
I was cleaning up the attic and ran across a college text book from a
class I had failed. I remember to this day how
The problem with the 1/3 number (even if it is accurate, and it may be)
is that it is a highly agregated numbes. It does'nt mean necessarily
that a third of every natural resource is gone, clearly some are more exploited
than
others. Actually her quote about forests is that 4% of the original
On Jan 13, 2008, at 2:09 AM, Michael Lewis wrote:
...and more. Much was in place even before GreenPeace began making a
stink a year or so ago.
I wasn't only GreenPeace making a stink about Apple's environmental
negligence. Other entities had taken note of the fact as well, and I
even
Most people do not have the time to get the facts about even one of these
topics. I used to write environmental analyses for the Dept of Energy so
I know first hand how much work it takes to get the real data, find some
way to fill in the gaps, and then figure out what it all means. Nobody
Mike,
You've proved my point that you don't understand the subject, so you
just make up anything to cover up you lack of knowledge. I don't believe
in global warming and climate change--that would be a religion, which
it's not. There's plenty of scientific facts/evidence to prove it, and
Go back to telling people who don't 100% agree with you to shut up Betty,
it's a shorter read.
Mike
On Jan 13, 2008 4:43 PM, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike,
You've proved my point that you don't understand the subject, so you
just make up anything to cover up you lack of knowledge.
Betty I don't disagree with you.
One of the first directives to Humans by God was to subdue the earth,
not rape and plunder. Christians believe in conservation and
preservation. We do not look at it as a religion.
Scripture no where states that we can use up the earth and do with it
what
Thanks for proviing my point Betty.
Mike
On Jan 11, 2008 9:32 PM, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Environmentalism to the tune of this type of video is a religion.
As such I suppose you can keep your faith and I'll keep my lack of.
As to the numbers, the Dept. of Agriculture
I hope you don't own any macs.
http://www.greenpeace.org/apple/about.html
Mike
On Jan 11, 2008 9:32 PM, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Want to do something useful to improve the climate and clean the air?
Plant trees. Lots of them. We've planted over 500. You can too. [Back to
I never said anyone was crazy. I never said anyone was a fanatical
religious nut either. You however just did.First Betty made assumptions
about me that weren't true. Then told me essentially that since I disagreed
with her I should shut up. She gives zero reason for what she believes.
This may or may not be off topic for this list but the video is very
entertaining and informative and perhaps worth discussion here.
http://storyofstuff.com/
Paula
IN/USA
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body,
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, mike wrote:
Yer right...never mind silly things like facts, as long as you think you are
doing something yer ok.
I'm curious what facts you think they got wrong? Do you contend that
the Earth is NOT finite? Have you found a secret, infinitely long,
penninsula of land
Yer right...never mind silly things like facts, as long as you think you are
doing something yer ok.
Mike
On Jan 11, 2008 11:11 AM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:31 PM, mike wrote:
You think a little off topic? Maybe you should have sent that to a
moveon.org
It certainly is close enough to topic to of interest. We have the tech
recycling conversation often enough.
It manages to explain why the construction of many tech gadgets is so
crappy. If you sell us crap once you need to buy it again three
months later.
On Jan 11, 2008 1:09 PM, Steve Rigby
On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:31 PM, mike wrote:
You think a little off topic? Maybe you should have sent that to a
moveon.org group. Informative seems to mean fast and loose.
Why aren't you out shopping?
Steve
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On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Paula Minor wrote:
This may or may not be off topic for this list but the video is very
entertaining and informative and perhaps worth discussion here.
A very reasoned presentation. I particularly connected with the
portion about how we are taught to react to
You think a little off topic? Maybe you should have sent that to a
moveon.org group. Informative seems to mean fast and loose.
Mike
On Jan 11, 2008 9:32 AM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This may or may not be off topic for this list but the video is very
entertaining and informative
She claims we've used 1/3 of the total of earth's natural resource. In her
fancy graphic she shows things like trees being cut down...wow a third of
all forests are decimated? In 3 decades? wow. Oh wait...forested areas
have remained relatively stable since the early 1900's since companies
On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:30 PM, mike wrote:
She claims we've used 1/3 of the total of earth's natural resource.
In her
fancy graphic she shows things like trees being cut down...wow a
third of
all forests are decimated? In 3 decades? wow. Oh wait...forested
areas
have remained relatively
She claims we've used 1/3 of the total of earth's natural
resource. In her
fancy graphic she shows things like trees being cut down...wow a
third of
all forests are decimated? In 3 decades? wow. Oh wait...forested
areas
have remained relatively stable since the early 1900's since
On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Vicky Staubly wrote:
I'm curious what facts you think they got wrong? Do you contend that
the Earth is NOT finite? Have you found a secret, infinitely long,
penninsula of land somewhere?
Everybody gets upset when they are reminded of what our President
asked us
As I remember, our President asked us to ... keep shopping...
?
db
Steve Rigby wrote:
On Jan 11, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Vicky Staubly wrote:
I'm curious what facts you think they got wrong? Do you contend that
the Earth is NOT finite? Have you found a secret, infinitely long,
penninsula of land
On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:30 PM, mike wrote:
argument. She likes the word crisis...said the same in newsweek in the
seventies when global cooling was the 'crisis'.
I think the word crisis was as applicable in the seventies as it is
today. In the Big Picture, we do not have a lot of time to
Environmentalism to the tune of this type of video is a religion.
As such I suppose you can keep your faith and I'll keep my lack of.
As to the numbers, the Dept. of Agriculture has the forestry numbers. *
http://tinyurl.com/2s9eht
*I suppose someone will say a republican went in and rewrote
The US has more forests now than it did in the early 1900's. The
greatest loss of forest land at present is occurring in the Brazilian
rain forest due to both planed deforestation and poaching of
lumber. (I have a charted forester in my congregation.)
Stewart
At 06:23 PM 1/11/2008, you
Don't let em fool you with the facts, Rev. We don't have any forests.
Mike
On Jan 11, 2008 5:35 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The US has more forests now than it did in the early 1900's. The
greatest loss of forest land at present is occurring in the Brazilian
rain
In 30 years we'll hear the same thing...I don't recall anything about a
global warming crisis.
http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/newsweek1975globalcooling.JPG
The newsweek article. The really funny part is the graph...look at the
GLOBAL
On Jan 11, 2008, at 4:26 PM, mike wrote:
Environmentalism to the tune of this type of video is a religion.
As such I suppose you can keep your faith and I'll keep my lack of.
As to the numbers, the Dept. of Agriculture has the forestry
numbers. *
http://tinyurl.com/2s9eht
I think your
On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:05 PM, db wrote:
As I remember, our President asked us to ... keep shopping.
Right you are!
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On Jan 11, 2008, at 4:35 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
The US has more forests now than it did in the early 1900's. The
greatest loss of forest land at present is occurring in the
Brazilian rain forest due to both planed deforestation and poaching
of lumber. (I have a charted forester
I will ignore those tall brown and green things I drove through in
Wisconsin, and TN.
Matter of fact I always thought it weird that it was the, Nathan
Bedford Forrest, State Forest in TN.
Stewart
At 06:45 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
Don't let em fool you with the facts, Rev. We don't have
This is where it gets technical. I looked over the material you
enclosed. What you fail to realize is that most of the lumber
harvesting and big clean outs happened in the 1800's. I lived in
Wisconsin for 12 years and the lumber industry died out in the early
1900's because they had gotten
OK, here comes the voice of ignorance.
Whereas the number of forests might have increased, surely the acreage
of forests has decreased. In the 1800's and 1900's in America, the
population increased dramatically in America. Today there are many
urban and suburban communities where none
Matter of fact I always thought it weird that it was the, Nathan
Bedford Forrest, State Forest in TN.
Not exactly the dude I would name a forest after.
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Agreed.
Stewart
At 09:05 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
Matter of fact I always thought it weird that it was the, Nathan
Bedford Forrest, State Forest in TN.
Not exactly the dude I would name a forest after.
Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prince of Peace
Ozark, AL SL 82
A lot of what you state is true, but you also forget some other reasons.
Many animal populations have increased dramatically over the last
century due to federal and state management, and endangered species
laws. (They started having car wolf collisions in Wisconsin
again. A rarity when the
Agreed, this was the reason for my last statement in my post.
Stats can be shown to say anything depending on who's doing the
interpreting. And how they spin the info. The last 7 years should be a
prime example of that for any university class on the subject.
Jeff M
On Jan 11,
I live in the Northwest, probably very different from Wisconsin when
it comes to trees and types of forests I'm sure. We had a managed
forest in Oregan that was mostly decimated by managed planting. The
lumber companies only wanted the trees that would grow quickly and
sell. Oops, a
Environmentalism to the tune of this type of video is a religion.
As such I suppose you can keep your faith and I'll keep my lack of.
As to the numbers, the Dept. of Agriculture has the forestry numbers. *
http://tinyurl.com/2s9eht
There you go again!! Whenever there is a very serious
As the most qualified religious nut on this list, let me speak to religion.
Someone once said where you heart is there is where your God is.
Stewart
At 10:32 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
There you go again!! Whenever there is a very serious issue that
someone doesn't understand or doesn't want
. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As the most qualified religious nut on this list, let me speak to
religion.
Someone once said where you heart is there is where
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