Re: [CTRL] **DOPE SUPPORTERS**
-Caveat Lector- "Brown, Jeremy" wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ, I admit I'm quite puzzled by your post. You say that I'm afraid of freedom, however you have produced nothing to support that claim. What I am afraid of is that more people, like my friend, will die because we all sit by plucking daisies and turning our heads to something we can work together to prevent. Also, you have said that a potential is not a crime. You're right, but..(this may shock you)...DRUNK DRIVING IS It's illegal! You can't even have an open container in the car with you. That's the issue. And, again, I'll try and explain it to you in simple terms. I agree that if what you do does not harm anyone but yourself, by all means do it until you drop dead. That was not what I am saying. I'm saying that when your actions have negative impacts on those around you it becomes a problem. So please, everybody...stop thinking that I'm challenging freedom. I'm not! I'm only saying that there have been far to many good people cut down by drunk drivers. Something needs to be done. And, MJ, for you to even use the term "discrimination" in the same sentence as drunk driving is downright offensive. Jeremy I believe that in the common law there was such an offense as "reckless endangerment". If someone observed another by HIS ACTIONS endangering others that person could be prosecuted. If a jury of his peers decided that, in fact, he had violated other's rights by acting recklessly he could be convicted. The rights of both the person doing the "reckless endangerment" and those he might effect were protected. The laws that are above mentioned are not designed in a similar way in that the charge may or may not follow actions which indicate that the possible offender was acting in a way which endangered others. This is the major problem with drunk driving laws, in my opinion. However, in the majority of instances offenders of drunk driving laws are apprehended subsequent to actions that are indicative of recklessness. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- June, I have a similar story. Got sick , I think it was a few weeks after getting a flu shot. Then we were informed that there was something wrong with the vaccine and that it didn't protect against one virulent strain of flu that was becoming common. I wouldn't get another one. Eric Roberts YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- Teo1000 wrote: Well, as regards this sickness. I am sick myself and it is most unusual. I am told it is the flu, but it is unlike any flu I have had before, in addition I got a flu shot around October of last year. The only time I ever got a flu shot, within 6 weeks I had the WORST bout of flu I'd ever had in my whole life...I'd never been that sick before, it was the first time I'd ever had laryngitis, etc. Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one of them... I patently REFUSE to have another flu shot, EVER... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The 'responsibility era' - Texas Gov. George W. Bush talks:
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: NATIONAL The 'responsibility era' Undeclared GOP presidential frontrunner, Texas Gov. George Bush, talks about his cultural plan of attack By Cal Thomas He fears an economic slowdown because of the Federal Reserve's "stretching fiscal policy by lowering [interest] rates to the point where there may not be enough incentive for consumption." Does this make sense to anyone? It seems to me that if the Fed lowers interest rates there is more money in the economy and thus more incentive for consumption. Anybody disagree with that? Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/4/99 12:05:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You wouldn't let a crazy person walk through a shopping mall with a loaded pistol, correct? This is not a valid argument IMO. Besides I would submit that there are plenty of people who are crazy who walk around all the time with a loaded weapon and DON'T shoot anyone. Should they all be punished simply because they MIGHT do something wrong? The POTENTIAL for crime is not a sufficient reason to charge illegality against someone. Remember that during the end of the 19th century and the early 20th century the people in charge thought it was "best" that certain people not breed because they had the "potential" to have children who were deformed, and etc. Thus they rationalized their arguments for sterilization, which they subsequently carried out. Mind you I am NOT saying it is necessarily saying it is a good thing to drive drunk, just pointing out the ridiculousness of laws that punish for potential, not for action. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who has ...
-Caveat Lector- The exact wording of the oath (if I recall correctly ) is: I, [ insert name here } do solemnly swear [or affirm] that I will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and bear truth faith and allegiance to the same, and obey the orders of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over me, so help me God. The Air and Army National Guard also swear to obey the order of the governor of the state in which they enlist; this being inserted after the mention of the President. If you swear the oath, it doesn't matter if it's peacetime or wartime. Simply put, you promised to obey orders. As long as the order is lawful ( it doesn't violate the law ) you're subject to punishment if you refuse to comply. Since the military has the authority to order you to receive vaccination, you don't have any choice. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/4/99 3:27:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why blame the little addict when it's the gov. pushing in the first place??My humble opinion as it is.hmmm... Excellent point lost in the shuffle by some probably! Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/4/99 3:27:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why blame the little addict when it's the gov. pushing in the first place??My humble opinion as it is.hmmm... Excellent point lost in the shuffle by some probably! Teo1000 Why thank you, did you catch my grave error in stating that MT didn't have an opencontainer law? Well, I was wrong, I guess that's changed...and a speed limit is coming our way soon.but the bars here still give go cups as you walk out the door..make sense?? barley DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Topics Please...?!
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Hello everyone,
I'm a High School Senior and in the next week a local Congressman ("Tom
Bliley" of VA.) is coming to my school for a question and answer and I
need some questions about conspiracies to ask him about. Stuff about
contrails, or something that would be an intelligent question. Something
that would scare the admin's at my school.
Please help me out, I want to show Bliley that teens aren't mindless
airheads...
Hehehe
Jesse Dolan
www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954
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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/4/99 11:41:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one of them... You mind telloing me what the symptoms are for this malady? I may be experiencing Thyroid problems also. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS 03 My Body.A
-Caveat Lector- People do not do stupid/illegal things because they have guns or knives. There is no such thing as "stupid/illegal." "Stupid" and "illegal" are different words. They have different meanings. To conjoin them is disingenuous. Disingenuous rhetoric is characteristic of the War On (Some) Drugs. People do stupid/illegal thing when they are in a stupor. Drugs are not the only things that stupefy people. Lies stupefy. Belief stupefies. We have been lied to about drugs by what we nievely believe to be "our own" government. It is not "our" government. It is GOG, the Gangster Occupation Government, puppet of the drug cartels. It is a master of disinformation. It's lies have stupefied us beyond anything the drugs themselves were ever capable of. The drugs themselves stupefy only those who abuse them. The lies stupefy us all. Guns have been at every one's finger tips for the last 200 years. When I was a kid there was no rules against carrying a knife in school (except switch blades) Kids could get guns from home, but they weren't going to school with guns. I remember that era, too. We didn't carry guns because there was nothing to be gained by carrying guns. This is no longer true. Guns and knives were ready available for the last 200 years ago but it has not been until the last 45 years after the dope revolution that kids have been murdering kids and metal detectors are in schools. Drugs has been around and in use since Neanderthal times. Never were they fought over until they were prohibited by law. What ever harm they do to those who use them pales beside what the fighting has done to the rest of us. In 1986 I was ripped off for my tools, the ones with which I was feeding my family at the time. There is no doubt whatsoever that they were stolen by a cocaine addict. There is no doubt whatsoever that he sold them to buy cocaine. There is also no doubt that elements of the United States Government aid, abet, profit from and in some cases participate directly in the cocaine trade. Ergo, some of the money that cocaine addict paid for his drug went to the United States Government. This is precisely and exactly the same thing as taxation without representation. Taxation without representation is the single most un-American act possible. To be rid of taxation without representation is the very reason our ancestors ran the redcoats out and founded this nation in the first place. Taxation without representation is plain and simple robbery, nothing more and nothing less. I was robbed. I want my money back. I was robbed by what I was told was my own government. They used a sick man's illness to force him to do their dirty work for them. The way I figure, they robbed him, too. Drugs are for sick people. This man was sick, nothing more. They robbed a sick man of his dignity and of his health. Eventually, so I've heard, they robbed him of his life itself. Drug addiction is a sickness. It should be a matter between the patient and his doctor. There is one reason and one reason only that it is not. That reason is profit. There is no other reason that any of the rest of us should be in any way effected or even, for that matter, know about it. It's none of our business. Billions are made because of prohibition. It has corrupted our society at every level, from the cop on the corner to the very highest office in the land. For the first time in all recorded history it has provided the addict with economic motivation to spread his disease. It has spread like wildfire. The very thing we were told that prohibition was enacted to prevent, it has fueled. We were lied to. Then we were robbed. We are still being lied to and we are still being robbed. Kids carry guns to school, not because of the drugs themselves, not because they are in a "stupor," but because a small but significant number of them are involved in an extremely lucrative business, a business so lucrative that people of all ages, all races, both genders, and all stations in life are willing, and in many cases eager, to kill for a chunk of it. This business never existed until prohibition. The very first day that prohibition no longer exists it too will cease to exist; it will cease to plague humanity. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theory: The Movie
-Caveat Lector- You most certainly have too much time on your hands. Johannes Schmidt wrote: -Caveat Lector- I rented the Mel Gibson flick Conspiracy Theory last week, and spent some time flashing frame by frame looking for subliminals and other tid bits. Heres what I found. The first and most obvious subliminal is the Warner Bros logo in the first few seconds of the film. This isn't a subliminal per se but it is there (I think) to let people know what to look out for. Theres a lot of product names flashed around in the film (moreso than normal films with 'product placement') The Best subliminal I found was in the scene where Gibson and Julia Roberts are talking at her apartment for a few minutes. There is a bowl of fruit directly in the foreground (I remember it was much clearer on the big screen). The bowl of fruit looks exactly like a male genitalia, and it is in the picture for at least a minute while they are talking. 1 hour and 35 minutes into the film, the letters N N or N I N are clearly visible on crates as they drive past. The letter N seems to show up a lot. Where Jerry goes into the Federal Building and looks at the board showing the tenants, the following motley assortment are shown: Department of the Air Force, Office of Special Investigations, Army Corps of Engineers, Central Intelligence Agency, Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, Minority Business Development, FEMA, Federal Employees Assistance Program. Federal Executive Board, Federal Supply Service, Assistant Regional Administration, General Services Admin, Office of Regional Admin Office of Personell The numbers 5 and 23 crop up frequently. The bus they meet on is a number 5. The SPace Shuttle (according to the article he clips) will be in orbit 23 days 16 hours with a crew of 5. The numbers 16 and 48 also are frequent. There seem to be some patterns ut i am unable to discern them. His taxi number IS48 Combination to his coffee 42312 Bus Number 1648 (5 also visible) Subway platforms: 4716 and 4717 Name on Taxi License: Kaffi Paloulian 4650217 ALice's Mobile no: 9179239597 Taxi ALice takes to confront Jonas: 3N23 Global Fund for Mergers and Aquisitions suite number: 1203 Office Number Alice calls on her mobile: 2125551257 (stored number #3) Fed Car at burst watermains 28073 Gerrys Union Pin number 107 There are also a few characters who reappear. The most obvious one is 'FLip', the newsagent/spy. Also note the old man in the bookstore who asks Gerry about the Catcher in the Rye is a security guard at the hospital he is held at near the end. There are probably others too. The newspapers Gerry clips state that: The item on the president to visit turkey: On the rest of the page is an incomplete article on GWS and Schwartzkopf claiming ignorance on why parts of his battle logs are missing. The orbituary for Harriman states he married Mellissa Garrison (any relation to Jim?). Anyway, if anyone can make any sense of any of the above, you probably need some time to relax! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA272 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:37:44 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:50:29 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23148424 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:50:29 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f145.hotmail.com [207.82.251.24]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04530 for [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu injection. The jab actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to help build up your immune system. Richard B. Eric Roberts wrote: -Caveat Lector- June, I have a similar story. Got sick , I think it was a few weeks after getting a flu shot. Then we were informed that there was something wrong with the vaccine and that it didn't protect against one virulent strain of flu that was becoming common. I wouldn't get another one. Eric Roberts YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- Teo1000 wrote: Well, as regards this sickness. I am sick myself and it is most unusual. I am told it is the flu, but it is unlike any flu I have had before, in addition I got a flu shot around October of last year. The only time I ever got a flu shot, within 6 weeks I had the WORST bout of flu I'd ever had in my whole life...I'd never been that sick before, it was the first time I'd ever had laryngitis, etc. Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one of them... I patently REFUSE to have another flu shot, EVER... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA274 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 05:00:06 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for
Re: [CTRL] Topics Please...?!
-Caveat Lector-
Dear Jesse --- Tell him that you looked in the white pages and saw that the
Federal Reserve Board is listed next to Federal Express. Ask him "How can it
be that our money and interest rates are controlled by a non-government
corporation that is trying to make a profit off the American people? Best
Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. P.S. If he comes off that he doesn't know the FED is
a private company, he's really dumb or lying.
-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Jesse Dolan
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] Topics Please...?!
-Caveat Lector-
Hello everyone,
I'm a High School Senior and in the next week a local Congressman ("Tom
Bliley" of VA.) is coming to my school for a question and answer and I
need some questions about conspiracies to ask him about. Stuff about
contrails, or something that would be an intelligent question. Something
that would scare the admin's at my school.
Please help me out, I want to show Bliley that teens aren't mindless
airheads...
Hehehe
Jesse Dolan
www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954
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Re: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Hey! Doesn't this post break the rules? I mean, it mentions that bad guy Zundel who's picking on half of the Ottawa parliament. His whole case is about that unmentionable area of historical inquiry? Did you all know that the anonymous Canadian Tribunal of Human Rights (HA!) ruled that for Zundel, truth was not a defense. Just trying to be helpful! Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franklin Wayne Poley Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd) -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:42:25 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] But you see, Jasiek, this is where I disagree with you and the whole "ZOG Busting" movement. As Pogo says, "The enemy is us". Zundel, Christie and people like them are "demagogues" which means they play on peoples' emotions to manipulate them. Or just think of the "Chicken Little" phenomenon. Even if the sky is falling do you think that sly old fox has a solution? I don't. Without Jew-bashing these ZOG Busters have almost nothing to say. My challenge to them always has been, "Then you tell me about a better society and maybe I'll buy into YOUR way instead of the ZOG way." Until then, long live ZOG! At least it is a system even if it has lots of flaws. The Christie Critters have NO SYSTEM. Zundel is a little boy who can get nowhere unless he makes a big noise. That is why he is suing half of the Ottawa Parliament. It doesn't have to do with freedom or free speech. That is just smoke and mirrors. This is where I also disagree with lists like CTRL which turf these people off. I have had hundreds of people come and go throgh lists I have moderated and not kicked one person off. Zundel kicked me off his list because he can't defend his position and he won't accept an invitation to come onto a list like this because he can't win in a free and open debate. But it's your life. If you fall for the Chicken Little ploy you will suffer the consequences. FWP. On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote: From: jasiek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote: From: jasiek [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have remember Franklin's words and A. Lincoln - then you can do something. Now in my country is blocked 155 highways and over 60% farmers push the government to create money with no interests and debts. I have many Polish friends Jasiek. In fact my brother-in-law was born in Poland. I had Polish professors in college like the psychiatrists Dabrowski and Weckowitz. So I know more about Poland than you think. Just make a conclusion of my point. If you don't get a conclusion, then you have join the NWO usury-banking system and after you'll accepted small bio-chip under your skin, because the government do NOT want loose no one who want to desipire into the bush. Finally you can run, but you can't hide anywhere. That is the future in American Nation very soon. Good luck and put some creme on your skin that electronic device will go more easy... Have nice fun... Don't get hyped up about what US tele-evangelists tell you (like Van Imp, Hagee etc.). They play "chicken little". They scare people so they will come into their fold where they can pick their pockets. So they come out with a lot of "mark of beast" crap. No US tele-evangelist that I know is anything but crap with legs. In its wisdom the CRTC in Canada proscribed these tele-evangelist frauds long ago. One of the biggest family of US moral degenerates goes by the name of Graham. Recognize it? Be cool. Use your head and it will all work out. FWP. === jasiek from toronto http://www.connection.com/~rysio Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be sure you're right, then go ahead. What is your plan, Jasiek? Are you sure it is right? FWP. On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, jasiek wrote: From: jasiek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, J FROST wrote: Subject: 021.001 "PATRIOTS" or FASCIST AGENTS? Should the American people be in control of their own government? I don't think the American people have the WILL to control their own government so I suggest you turn it over to us in BC
Re: [CTRL] List Participation
-Caveat Lector- Dear TEO -- go back and check the one Hawk replied to the bizarre Clinton lover who also defended (sheepishly) computer vote counting devoid of Citizen Checks and Balances -- Hawk's answer encapsuled the entire debate in one sentence. I only read about 4 of his messages, but they were all that way. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Teo One Thousand Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] List Participation -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/3/99 11:07:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I wondered what happened to Hawk. His replies (the ones I saw) so thoroughly showed up the fallacies of the arguments of the people he was debating that I'm not overly surprised he was kicked off the list. Too bad. I guess we're spiraling down to the lowest-nurev-denominator. Jim Condit Jr. Nothing in his replies showed up any fallacies in any arguments that I saw. His postings appeared to be designed to cause disruption, nothing more. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Source - Richard wrote: It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu injection. No, it is notat least, that's not how it's marketed to the public, where those who are at greatest risk for respiratory infection are pressured into getting the shots. The jab actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to help build up your immune system. Didn't work in my case...not only did I get the worst case of flu I'd ever had in my whole life, but I continued to get very bad cases of flu every year thereafter, where before I'd only had maybe 3 or so bouts of flu in my life... And it would seem that flu shot ended up DESTROYING my immune system by destroying my thyroid, one of the most integral organs of the immune system... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- Bummer!! YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Source - Richard wrote: It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu injection. No, it is notat least, that's not how it's marketed to the public, where those who are at greatest risk for respiratory infection are pressured into getting the shots. The jab actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to help build up your immune system. Didn't work in my case...not only did I get the worst case of flu I'd ever had in my whole life, but I continued to get very bad cases of flu every year thereafter, where before I'd only had maybe 3 or so bouts of flu in my life... And it would seem that flu shot ended up DESTROYING my immune system by destroying my thyroid, one of the most integral organs of the immune system... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA126 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:24:56 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 6:37:37 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23172849 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:37:36 -0500 Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12737 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (revcoal@localhost) by comet.connix.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA14816 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:37:35 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:37:35 -0500 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: 19990205092420507.AAA129@[195.62.206.59] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust
Re: [CTRL] Topics Please...?!
-Caveat Lector-
On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Jesse Dolan wrote:
Hello everyone,
I'm a High School Senior and in the next week a local Congressman ("Tom
Bliley" of VA.) is coming to my school for a question and answer and I
need some questions about conspiracies to ask him about. Stuff about
contrails, or something that would be an intelligent question. Something
that would scare the admin's at my school.
Please help me out, I want to show Bliley that teens aren't mindless
airheads...
Hehehe
I suggest you consider the subject "Trolls Masquerading As Teenagers
Doing Research Into 'Conspiracy Theories'"
June
===
The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year,
Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear.
-- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers
===
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Re: [CTRL] THE DARK SIDE OF THE GOOD NEWS
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Sno0wl wrote: This may rankle some on this list, but as the 40-somethings are being dislodged from their corporate niches in favor of the cheaper 20-somethings, even you may, one day, come to appreciate the importance of these issues. I appreciated the importance even before I became one of those dislodged 40-somethings...and I deal with it every day in my job search -- people rave about my resume, my background, my abilities...but when it comes down to PAYING me what I'm worth (and I'm not asking for the high-end of the range), they opt for recent college grads or outsource it to India, Pakistan, or the Phillipines where programmers work for pennies per hour June What do you expect? Under a capitalist economic system it's profit not quality, not experience, not consideration of someone's livelihood. The biggest cost of doing business is labor. If this society lets businessmen continue to operate like this, we'll have a population of aging homeless and yuppie twerps. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Welcome to the Fourth Reich
-Caveat Lector- Mike Moxley wrote: -Caveat Lector- WELCOME TO THE FOURTH REICH by Michael J. Woodman We as a people have ignored and abhorred the truth of this century. We have forgotten the Third Reich so we are moving to the brink of the fourth Reich. Not in a reunified Germany, but here in America. In order to have a new world order, one must destroy the independence of a free people "for their own good." Today our government has begun the destruction of America as a free people. We are being forced to register long barrel fire arms in violation of the second amendment right to bear arms freely. They have bridled free speech, free worship and free assembly over the past 10 years. Now they bridle the free ownership of weapons of defense. First they register your weapons, then they come for them for "your own good and the safety of your children." I am not a member of the gun coalition, nor a member of the NRA, nor a member of any militia in any state. I am a defender of the constitution and the Bill of Rights. For I am also a student of history. We have passed laws in this land that would have done Stalin and Hitler proud. We have aborted human life and now assist people to "die with dignity" (suicide, or accurately: murder of self). We have legally stopped free speech, especially in the "Hate Crime" laws, which will be used against Christians like RICO has been used in regard to a scriptural stand on homosexuality, lesbianism and right to life. The skin heads are not real Nazis. They are only want-to-be's. The real Nazis sit in the White House and sign laws which they swore an oath not to sign. They sit in Congress subverting the constitutional obligations while writing laws forbidden by the constitution. They sit on the Supreme Court rewriting the constitution to fit their vision of America. They have created new rights such as abortion and uphold laws such as the Brady Bill. People will scream at this report because they fear their government of the people, for the people and by the people. They will say that I am wrong in my assessment. They will say that the Brady Bill will protect us from the criminals. I don't know of any criminal that legally purchased a gun. In order for the state to collect all the guns from the law-abiding, they must first know where the guns are. Therefore pass a national registration package so that the national, not the state, nor the individual, can control ownership of guns for defense even against the current Gestapo, i. e. AT. Both criminals and intolerant governments fear one thing: an armed populace. One of the first things Nazi Germany did to the people was to disarm them. If we do not turn this nation around from its present course, then one day articles like this one will be illegal. I am not some left-wing bomb thrower from the 60s, but a man who took an oath to defend this nation and its constitutional form of government from all enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC SUCH AS THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION. Today we have begun the decent towards the new world order of the fourth and final Reich. You can not have a strong citizenship and a new world order. It is impossible to build this order with Americans owning weapons in their homes. Wake Up America before some storm trooper bashes your front door down by mistake!?!? Wake Up America before some jack-booted ATF Masked man hauls you off in the middle of the night. Since this is a new system you can be certain that it is Y2K proof. Wake Up America before the rule the Department of Defense, Interior, Education, and Justice. Hate crime laws are unconstitutional. They violate free speech and separation of federal and states rights. They also violate the double jeopardy clause of the law. Wake Up America and turn back to true equal justice under the law. 90% of the Great Society and New Deal laws and systems need to be scrapped and not rellaced with more devious legal traps. It is time to take back America or kiss it goodbye forever more. - This is stupid rhetorical bullshit. If this clown is so concerned, he can leave the country like the German Jews left Hitler's Germany in the 30's. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives
Re: [CTRL] Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up
-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/1/99 9:42:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: THE Israeli Prime Minister caused uproar yesterday with his election slogan, "a strong leader for a strong people", which critics said echoed Nazi and fascist propaganda. Avraham Burg, chairman of the Jewish Agency and a candidate for the Opposition Labour Party, appealed to Binyamin Netanyahu to drop the slogan. He said it reminded many people of the Nazi party slogan and insulted Holocaust survivors and their families. "The sound of 'a strong leader, a strong people' is coming directly from the conceptual framework of the Third Reich of 50 to 60 years ago," he said. There's an old saw that "We become what we hate," and it's been pretty obvious that Israel demonstrates its truth very well. Prudy This is just political rhetoric.Vladimir Jabotinsky said the same thing before Hitler ever came to power. The same thing happened here between the Hawks and the Doves during the Vietnam era. The parties are delineating there political positions for the election. Don't be in such a rush to compare Jews to Nazis. There's still a long way for Jews to go before they reach that level. This should not be construed as a defense of Netanyahu. Just a clarification. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- Richard makes some good points as far as it goes. My criticism is that his examples of fascism are too one dimensional. He basically relates to "bottom up" fascism. What we are experiencing now in the good ole USA is "top down" fascism. A long term plan through a partnership between the political class (politico-paths) and the Corporate Elite to destroy individual freedom through Corporate Statism. Why? Simply for the economic benefit of the Elite and the sheer joy of power exercised by the political class. flw Fascism with power behind it exists where FLW points to. It is not the political philosophy of choice by the current crop though. They are too liberal. This will change with the continued failure of their economic plans for the world. They could easily be replaced by corporate fascists like the ones that populated the Reagan administration during the cold war. We are not there yet. The subject is premature, and the paranoia is overblown. Joshua2 My God man! Look about you! Not there yet? The journey of 1000 miles is near its end. The locomotive engineer can see the station in the distance. To make a distinction between the current crop of "liberals" and the Reagan "conservatives"is like trying to make a distinction between Robert (let them eat interest) Rubin, Madeline (bombs away) Albright and James Baker and George Schultz. These corrupt Statists are all peas from the same pod. Yes they are. I was referring more to the background groups like The Committee on the Present Danger and their ilk. Old george shultz and many others among the conservatives were about as fascist as they could get away with being, and that wasn't " fascism " either. Do you really mean what you posted or are you a victim of MK ULTRA? FLW I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in Greece when the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist state. Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the less. What you have here is nothing like the fear that people conducted their lives under. These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys ( Libertarians and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There are groups in this country which face a fascist government daily in their lives. You middle class white guys with computers are not among them yet. Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license for a gun is not fascism even if Hitler did it too. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- June wrote: The only time I ever got a flu shot, within 6 weeks I had the WORST bout of flu I'd ever had in my whole life...I started exhibiting the first symptoms of what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one of them...I patently REFUSE to have another flu shot, EVER... My experience was identical! Additionally, I've had a 5 week virus lately that defies diagnosis and treatment. Hard to get in to see a doctor around here as the whole town appears to have same mystery respiratory illness. Teo1000 - here's a start: http://www.healthy.net/LIBRARY/Articles/Schacter/hypothyr.d.htm Gail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 05 Equality.A
-Caveat Lector- I would submit that there are plenty of people who are crazy who walk around all the time with a loaded weapon and DON'T shoot anyone. Should they all be punished simply because they MIGHT do something wrong? /// People can't help it that they are crazy but sane people are held accountable for their choices. I'll bet crazy people aren't allowed to have guns. Here your argument is (I think) should people be stopped from doing something just because it MIGHT result in harming others. #1 Do you believe in equal rights ... yes or no #2 Should every one have the same right to profit, get stupid or do any thing they want because their acts only have the potential to harm others? #3 or should only a select group have the right to endanger others? Let me know before I post a list of people who are fined and imprisoned for endangering others and then I will ask why you are not defending them. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 03 My Body.B
-Caveat Lector- There is no such thing as "stupid/illegal." "Stupid" and "illegal" are different words. They have different meanings. To conjoin them is disingenuous /// The words have different meanings ... like water you are different things, but when you get in the water you are all wet. When someone altars their minds with dope/booze they make them self stupid. While crime is a different thing than stupid, stupid people commit more crimes. People who make them selves stupid, make me pay higher insurance. People who make them selves stupid, make me pay higher taxes. People who make them selves stupid, sicken, injure, assult and kill innocent people. Even when they don't kill people by intent in their stupor, their victims are just as dead. You can tell a dirt bag when they create different standards than they have for themselves, so what do you say to this law... When some drunk kills someone's little kid, the drunk should be made sober and their kid be tied to a tree and hit by a car. After all we know liberals believe in equality don't they? How about anyone intoxicated on the job will be denied insurance coverage when they have an accident? How about the next time some one on a stupor rapes a woman, your mother will be taken to prison to be raped by some convict? If these suggestions enrage you, you are a dirt bag, you are willing to allow such things to happen to other people's families but not your own? boo hoo = GUNS VS DOPE Like guns, drugs themselves cause no harm until they are used by those who can't handle them /// What kind of people use guns in crimes.. Less than 3% of all weapon crimes are used in emotional crimes (Most domestic disputes, some in a fit of rage) When people become highly emotional, they are not rational, they even call it temporary insanity... ( crime - not accidents) #1 Less than 7 % of weapon crimes are used when emotions cause the brain to malfunction. #2 and over 89 % of all weapon crimes are used by dopers and drunks. WHEN THE BRAIN IS MALFUNCTION Get your own statistics from the disease control center and then explain to us why those with altered brains do what they do. Booze and dope makes the brain malfunction. There are thousands of people in gun clubs who meet with their guns and NEVER kill anyone. Cops are NEVER called to this group of people ... but look at the groups of people who meet in liquid dope establishments and get the police reports to see how many times the cops have been there! == Guns have been at every one's finger tips for the last 200 years. When I was a kid there was no rules against carrying a knife in school (except switch blades) Kids could get guns from home, but they weren't going to school with guns. Guns and knives were ready available for the last 200 years ago but it has not been until the last 45 years after the dope revolution that kids have been murdering kids and metal detectors are in schools. /// Drugs has been around and in use since Neanderthal times. Never were they fought over until they were prohibited by law. What ever harm \\\ Well when I was in school, if someone mentioned the word pot, the only thing that would have came to my mind is the thing you had to empty in the out house in the morning. Cocaine .. just something you might see in a movie, crack, that vertical line up your rear. speed, something that was good at the drag strip .. Dope was non existent when I was in school No, not until after the drug revolution did crimes multiply and today (48 Hours) 80% of all those in prison are drunks/dope users. Guns have always been available, it was not until after the drug revolution that kids had to pass metal detectors to get in school. In 1986 I was ripped off for my tools, the ones with which I was feeding my family at the time. There is no doubt whatsoever that they were stolen by a cocaine addict. There is no doubt whatsoever that he sold them to buy cocaine. There is also no doubt that elements of the United States Government aid, abet ... Hmmm I never thought about it that way but you are right. If we were allowed to defend ourself we could blow a hole through the heads of dope users and/or drunks who commited crimes against us, they could/would not harm us or anyone else again, BUT it is the government who 1) Protects the criminials so we can not protect ourselves. 2) They make us pay to keep the criminials and then 3) They turn the criminials lose to get stupid and rob, rape, beat and/or kill another victim. So we have the unofficial criminials on the streets and the official criminials in the government. === Billions are made because of prohibition. It has corrupted our society at every level, from the cop on the
[CTRL] Skeptic News Friday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990205a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # CDC ISSUES GUIDELINES ON BIOTERRORISM. In response to a series of threats in the US recently alleging use of anthrax as a bioterroristic weapon, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued interim guide- lines to assist public health officials to respond to the "growing threat" of bioterrorism. http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=9251 # Race to find key to killer flu. (BBC) Scientists are rushing to find the clues to what caused the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic which killed 40m people before another strikes. Experts fear another one could be just around the corner. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_272000/272081.stm @ Links: Horizon: http://www.bbc.co.uk/horizon @ Influenza outbreak: http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/panfacts.htm @ Flu preparations: www.acponline.org/journals/annals/01apr96/pandemic.htm # Russia gripped by flu during cold snap (UPI): http://nt.excite.com/news/u/990204/17/health-cold : Is flu a better bioterror weapon than anthrax? Is Russia being subjected to biowar right now? Is this a test-bed for the next flu pandemic? By who? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Tale of Two Numbers. The difference between year 2000 and the next census? See http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/WhosCounting/paulos990201.html # MILLENIUM BABY: COUPLES, START YOUR ENGINES. Who will have the first baby of the new millenium? If you want to try for this distinction, a New Zealand doctor says you should synschronize your reproductive efforts for April 9, the most likely day to have a baby on Jan. 1 in the year 2000. Ready, set, go... http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9107 : Will babies born on 1/1/2000 have the Y2K bug? Can they be inoculated? Will the Y2K US census be too buggy to be usable? Is there a connection? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # 20,000 BABIES BORN VIA ASSISTED REPRODUCTION. More than 20,000 babies were born in the U.S. with the help of assisted reproductive technology (ART) in 1996. http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=9172 : When will all humans be test-tube babies? Will we be better for it? Why? # BABIES SIGN FOR FOOD. Can infants communicate about simple things? Yes. Researchers say infants as young as 9 months can be trained to use American Sign Language instead of crying to let you know theyre hungry or sleepy. See http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9205 : When do humans start communicating? When do we start paying attention? Do implants improve the process? If telepathy worked, would we learn to speak? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Muslims 'ready for Rushdie sacrifice' (BBC) A leading Muslim cleric says Muslims should be prepared for any sacrifice if Salman Rushdie visits India. "We shall pursue Salman Rushdie relentlessly if he comes to India," said Syed Ahmed Bukhari. "If we have to give our lives, we are ready." Good idea. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_272000/272354.stm @ Links: Salman Rushdie: http://www.crl.com/~subir/rushdie.html @ India Ministry of External Affairs: http://www.meadev.gov.in/ @ Bharatiya Janata Party: http://www.bjp.org/ @ Congress Party: http://indiancongress.org/ # Indian Muslims protest visa to Rushdie (UPI): http://nt.excite.com/news/u/990205/01/international-rushdie : Is ritual murder-suicide an effective way to weed-out religious fanatics? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # BARBIE TURNS 40, GETS TATTOO: WILL SHE GET A NICKEL ALLERGY, TOO? Barbie turns 40 next month and faces a mid-life crisis, so her makers are making her hipper by giving her a tattoo. Is a nose ring next? If so, Barbie's chances of getting a nickel allergy are high, along with those of you sporting nose rings and other body piercings. Infection must be cool too - see http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9230 # The Hacker Gap. (ABCnews) Whats it like for a 30-ish hacker gone corporate to watch a younger, more destructive class of computer vandals emerge? Contempt flows both ways across the hacker generation gap. See http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/hackers990203.html # WHERE CAN I FIND THE "BETTER LOVER" CIRCUMCISION STUDY? The study was on women who had experience with both types of men - and there was no contest. Women overwhelmingly preferred intact men to circumcised men. Read'em and weep - http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9103 : Is anatomy destiny? Is surgery/piercing mutilation? Are implants sexy? Will age and treachery beat youth and enthusiasm every time? Why not? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # CHINESE HOT POT: WOULD YOU LIKE OPIUM WITH THAT? A Shanghai restaurant was caught serving opium in its hot pot, in an attempt to keep customers coming back for more. Opium is, of course, officially illegal in
Re: [CTRL] Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 12:20 AM Subject: Re: Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up -Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/1/99 9:42:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: THE Israeli Prime Minister caused uproar yesterday with his election slogan, "a strong leader for a strong people", which critics said echoed Nazi and fascist propaganda. Avraham Burg, chairman of the Jewish Agency and a candidate for the Opposition Labour Party, appealed to Binyamin Netanyahu to drop the slogan. He said it reminded many people of the Nazi party slogan and insulted Holocaust survivors and their families. "The sound of 'a strong leader, a strong people' is coming directly from the conceptual framework of the Third Reich of 50 to 60 years ago," he said. There's an old saw that "We become what we hate," and it's been pretty obvious that Israel demonstrates its truth very well. Prudy This is just political rhetoric.Vladimir Jabotinsky said the same thing before Hitler ever came to power. The same thing happened here between the Hawks and the Doves during the Vietnam era. The parties are delineating there political positions for the election. Don't be in such a rush to compare Jews to Nazis. There's still a long way for Jews to go before they reach that level. This should not be construed as a defense of Netanyahu. Just a clarification. Joshua2 I don't believe in comparing "Jews" to Nazis. Or comparing "Non Jews" to Nazis. I do believe in comparing Fascists to Fascists however. flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- June, youd be surprised how many nurses refuse the hepatitis vaccine they are supposed to get before they start working. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)
-Caveat Lector- J2, Do you really mean what you posted or are you a victim of MK ULTRA? FLW I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in Greece when the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist state. Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the less. What you have here is nothing like the fear that people conducted their lives under. These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys ( Libertarians and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There are groups in this country which face a fascist government daily in their lives. You middle class white guys with computers are not among them yet. Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license for a gun is not fascism even if Hitler did it too. Joshua2 Let me tell you something J2. How do you know I am a "middle class white guy?" You know nothing about my life history. I am tired of smug, trendy, leftist stereotypes. Do you want to know my defining moment? A few years ago, while watching CNN I witnessed American tanks smashing, burning, gassing American children, women, men live on T.V. I watched with my mouth open and heart pounding. At that moment I was ashamed to be a veteran. I was ashamed to be an American. Shortly after, the corporate media and our esteemed "leaders"basically applauded this mini holocaust. The Attorney General of the United States, the nation's chief law enforcement officer, proudly took credit for this mass murder. The American People (including the "compassionate" leftists) shrugged it off and the general comment was "they got what they deserved." Fascism had surely arrived. And it was applauded. flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News Friday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990205b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SOHO SATELLITE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE. The SOHO sun-observing satellite has returned to service more than a month after a gyroscope that kept it stable failed. The $1 billion satellite's controllers returned it to service using a new computer program to keep it orientated without the bad gyro. Frozen for months, see http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9902/04/soho.back.ap/index.html # Where the solar wind blows. (BBC) A satellite has identified the source of the solar wind - a stream of charged particles that billows from the Sun. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_272000/272386.stm @ Links: Soho: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/ # Current image of the Sun: http://www.sel.bldrdoc.gov/current_images.html @ The Sun: http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/sol.html @ NASA solar probe: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ice_fire/sprobe.htm : If we learn enough about stars, can we make our own? Must we maintain Sol so it doesn't get soft and squishy? Are stars hard to make and fix? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # E.T. in Quarantine. (ABCnews) The Stardust mission will land a smidgen of material from a comet onto the Utah desert in 2004. Should we worry about contamination from the cosmos? Or has it already happened? http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/oberg990204.html # Going Comet Wild (EurekAlert!) It's in the right place at the right time. http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/nasa-gcw020499.html # University of Chicago Instrument To Get Close Look At Comet: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/02/990204082407.htm : Are you contaminated by cosmic debris? Has is hurt your lifestyle? How? How close a look at a comet would you like? Would you survive? Why not? # Giving Vent to Life - Does Life Spring from Undersea Thermal Vents? TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese researchers report they have managed to re-create the conditions from which life itself may have begun. Hot, Cold and Back Again - http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/lifeorigins990205.html : Is life a top-down or bottom-up process? Or both or neither? How come? Would you rather be contaminated by cosmic or underwater debris? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ GLITCH IN RUSSIA'S SPACE MIRROR TEST. An ambitious experiment in orbiting a giant mirror was botched when the crew of Russia's Mir space station was unable to open the umbrella-like mirror. "There is an emergency situation. The mirror won't unfold." Crew will continue trying to deploy it. Snagged on beam - see http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9902/04/space.mirror.01/index.html # Russians Give Up On Space Mirror Experiment. MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian Mission Control abandoned any further attempt to project the sun's rays on to darkened areas of the earth with a giant mirror following a snag at the Mir space station that thwarted the scheme. Another one bites the dust - see http://nt.excite.com/news/r/990205/04/international-mirror # Znamya is going nowhere. (BBC) Predictions that space mirrors will turn night into day are nonsense. Another expert tells us what is impossible - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_272000/272489.stm # Astronomers attack Russian space mirror plan (CNN) - Bedazzled - see http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9902/04/space.mirror.reaction.reut/index.html # Crisis Looms in Space - Budget Cuts, Hiring Freeze Hurt Space Safety (ABC) CAPE CANAVERAL (AP) A safety oversight panel warned NASA today that its headed for a crisis because of cutbacks. Losing Core Competencies - see http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/space990204.html : Will space mirrors ever work? How about orbiting power stations? Are aliens sabotaging human space efforts? Will we ever get off-planet? How? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Battle rages over mystery Miami Circle. MIAMI (Reuters) - In a city famed for jet-set glitz and political tumult, a dusty, centuries-old circle in stone has fired the passions of schoolchildren, native Indians and builders in a classic clash of development and preservation. Stonehenge west - see http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/Reuters19990204_1657.html : What is your favorite megalith? Who put it there? Are replica megaliths as good as the originals? What do you do at megaliths? Do they need upkeep? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ MIT CREATES iNET TIME CAPSULE. What do Bill Gates, VictoriasSecret.com, and free software have in common? Not much, but soon they will all share a digital time capsule as an attempt to bottle the cyberzeitgeist circa 1999. Frozen - see http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9902/04/mit.idg/index.html : Which industrialists, UFOlogists, politicos, programmers should be placed in the capsule for 100 years? Will they improve with time? Will we notice? # Robots That Think On Their Feet Now Possible. Researchers have stated a theory and devised an
[CTRL] Release Rapists to Get Tax Evaders!
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Samuel E. Konkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 12:52 PM Subject: Re: (fwd) Russia to free convicts from full jails So rapists and murderers will walk free while room is made to stuff the jails with tax evaders and other counter-economists? More proof (as if needed!) as to whom the State considers the Real Enemy. Freely as ever, SEK3 David Harmon wrote: Russia to free convicts from full jails Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:27:48 PST MOSCOW, Jan. 28 (UPI) -- Russia's justice minister has told a meeting of the Russian government urgent measures are needed to open some space in Russia's bursting jails, and called for a summer amnesty, which will result in the release of almost 100,000 convicts. One percent of all Russian citizens is currently in jail, the highest number per capita in the world, and the cash-strapped government says it can't afford to feed and house 1.5 million criminals, many of them jailed for minor crimes. In a report to the cabinet, Justice Minister Pavel Krasheninnikov (``PAH-vell krah-sheh-NEEN-nee-kawf'') said the number of convicts had grown rapidly, and something must be done to ease overcrowding, which has already attracted criticism from human rights organizations and the Council of Europe. Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov (``yehv-GEH-nee pree-muh-KAWF'') said he fully supported the amnesty, which would create space for the thousands of economic criminals and well-known leaders of organized crime who are not behind bars. Primakov has ordered the launch of a campaign targeting tax-evaders and criminals who commit large-scale fraud and tax-evaders, many of whom have up till now been virtually ignored by the police in favor of petty criminals. -- Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/ For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy! Video Finder, Free catalogs, Health Products, Sweepstakes, Etc. *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who has...
-Caveat Lector-
The last word of the oath, as you have correctly provided it, is also
optional. Any person who is opts for entitlement to wear the uniform is so
charged (and I think certain classes of civil servant are as well).
One of the issues involving the oath overall that provides some confusion
is "... obey the orders : of the President of the United States and the
officers appointed over me..." Again, the assumption is all orders to be
obeyed will be legal and lawful. The participants at My Lai, Rep of Viet
Nam, ran into problems with Lt Calley{sp?} (as he also encountered
problems) insisting on his orders to be obeyed. And, so, a bit of
skepticism and personal judgment is always required, recogising that
politicians, officers (commissioned and noncommissioned), or civilian
equivalents sometimes don't have truth, justice and the American way on
their side(s).
AER
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
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: Subject: Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who
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: Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:51 PM
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: -Caveat Lector-
:
: The exact wording of the oath (if I recall correctly ) is:
: I, [ insert name here } do solemnly swear [or affirm] that I will uphold
and
: defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign
and
: domestic, and bear truth faith and allegiance to the same, and obey the
orders
: of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over me,
so
: help me God.
:
: The Air and Army National Guard also swear to obey the order of the
governor
: of the state in which they enlist; this being inserted after the mention
of
: the President.
:
: If you swear the oath, it doesn't matter if it's peacetime or wartime.
Simply
: put, you promised to obey orders. As long as the order is lawful ( it
doesn't
: violate the law ) you're subject to punishment if you refuse to comply.
Since
: the military has the authority to order you to receive vaccination, you
don't
: have any choice.
:
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[CTRL] AIDS - Get thee behind ME
This article talks about getting rid of AIDS - and without drugs.
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558329758-763
Title: Full Story
04:47 PM ET 02/04/99
Can Stopping AIDS Treatment Work?
Can Stopping AIDS Treatment Work?
By DANIEL Q. HANEY=
AP Medical Editor=
CHICAGO (AP) _ The tentative results of a small human experiment
offer a glimmer of possibility that the body's own defense system
can be trained to hold down the AIDS virus.
The clearly risky approach attempts to mimic the success of the
much-talked-about ``Berlin patient,'' a newly infected German man
who stopped and started AIDS therapy and eventually quit it
entirely, only to discover that his virus had inexplicably
disappeared. He has remained free of HIV for two years.
``I don't see why others cannot become the Berlin patient,''
said Dr. Franco Lori, head of the Research Institute for Genetic
and Human Therapy at Georgetown University in Washington.
Lori's team is one of a few exploring the idea that it may be
possible to wean people away from the demanding regimen of AIDS
medicines without actually curing them of their infections.
Lori presented his findings Thursday at the 6th Conference on
Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections.
Some physicians are skeptical. They fear AIDS patients who learn
of these attempts will stop taking the drugs on their own _ with
potentially deadly consequences.
``My concern is that this will be overplayed,'' said Dr. Robert
Schooley of the University of Colorado, a conference organizer.
``It sounds good to patients. Who wouldn't want to stop treatment?
But the real question is whether you can change the immune
response. I worry patients will stop therapy. Whenever that
happens, in my experience, the virus comes roaring back.''
Lori calls the approach stop and go. The idea: Treat people with
standard AIDS drugs until all signs of HIV vanish from the
bloodstream. Withhold the medicines until the virus returns. Then
give the drugs again. Keep repeating the cycle until eventually the
virus never comes back.
It probably won't be eradicated entirely, so the theory goes,
but the body's immune defenses will be able to keep it from the
explosive growth that is HIV's killing trademark.
Lori has tried the approach so far on three patients. While it's
still too soon to know whether it will work, Lori finds the first
few weeks' results promising. The interval before the virus returns
is lengthening.
Furthermore, he said that in more aggressive experiments on
monkeys, the only practical nonhuman substitute for AIDS, the
approach seems to keep the virus at bay for good.
The next step is a much larger study involving 40 to 80
patients, he said.
Dr. Bruce Walker is conducting similar early-stage experiments
on patients at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. ``We
really don't have any data yet to suggest that this (stopping and
starting therapy) is something we should be doing,'' he said.
``I would not put one of my patients on this,'' said Dr. Roger
Pomerantz of Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia. ``People
have talked about this, but it's the first time I've seen anyone
have the guts to try it.''
In Lori's study, three patients took a combination of the drugs
DDI, hydroxyurea and indinavir. The first time they stopped
treatment, the virus returned in one week. Doctors treated them
again and stopped. This time the virus stayed away for 2{ weeks.
Again doctors started and stopped the drugs. The virus disappeared
for six to eight weeks.
No one knows how long this will go on or whether eventually
these cycles will put the virus into permanent retreat.
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theory: The Movie
-Caveat Lector- Keep up the work! Now, I realise that life is just this random event, random moment after random moment. Yet, despite being on this freefall roller coaster, there are those who make a concerted effort to make some sense of it all. Ergo, religious texts, politics, learning (higher and otherwise), and other systematic analyses come into play --- oh, almost forgot 'writing'; the means by which thought and word are made into a system of symbols. And then there are the "Conspiracy Theory" -ists, who look at the world in a different way. The movie was about one of these folks, and was not one of the themes: "if you look at everything, the chances are you might get something right" ? Now, let's assume that the people who made the movie really had an idea of what they were thinking, talking about; it seems only natural they would put clues into the film for the discerning viewer. The movie was made **intentionally** and who knows what little tricks and games the creators played. The lettre "n" ? This is the 14th lettre of the alphabet (as we in the U.S. know it); 1 + 4 = 5 (2 + 3 = 5, too). I think the Illuminati might find this a significant number; if not them, certainly the Qabalists (a current craze in MovieLand). One hour and thirty-five minutes = 95 minutes; 9 + 5 = 14, and, well ... in a random world, coincidence happens and must be accepted as such, a random event. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. -- : From: Johannes Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theory: The Movie : Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 7:50 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : I rented the Mel Gibson flick Conspiracy Theory last week, and spent : some time flashing frame by frame looking for subliminals and other tid : bits. Heres what I found. : : The first and most obvious subliminal is the Warner Bros logo in the : first few seconds of the film. This isn't a subliminal per se but it is : there (I think) to let people know what to look out for. Theres a lot of : product names flashed around in the film (moreso than normal films with : 'product placement') : : The Best subliminal I found was in the scene where Gibson and Julia : Roberts are talking at her apartment for a few minutes. There is a bowl : of fruit directly in the foreground (I remember it was much clearer on : the big screen). The bowl of fruit looks exactly like a male genitalia, : and it is in the picture for at least a minute while they are talking. : : 1 hour and 35 minutes into the film, the letters N N or N I N are : clearly visible on crates as they drive past. The letter N seems to show : up a lot. : : Where Jerry goes into the Federal Building and looks at the board : showing the tenants, the following motley assortment are shown: : : Department of the Air Force, Office of Special Investigations, : Army Corps of Engineers, : Central Intelligence Agency, : Department of Commerce, : Bureau of the Census, : Minority Business Development, : FEMA, : Federal Employees Assistance Program. : Federal Executive Board, : Federal Supply Service, : Assistant Regional Administration, : General Services Admin, : Office of Regional Admin : Office of Personell : : : The numbers 5 and 23 crop up frequently. The bus they meet on is a : number 5. The SPace Shuttle (according to the article he clips) will be : in orbit 23 days 16 hours with a crew of 5. : The numbers 16 and 48 also are frequent. There seem to be some patterns : ut i am unable to discern them. : : His taxi number IS48 : Combination to his coffee 42312 : Bus Number 1648 (5 also visible) : Subway platforms: 4716 and 4717 : Name on Taxi License: Kaffi Paloulian 4650217 : ALice's Mobile no: 9179239597 : Taxi ALice takes to confront Jonas: 3N23 : Global Fund for Mergers and Aquisitions suite number: 1203 : Office Number Alice calls on her mobile: 2125551257 (stored number #3) : Fed Car at burst watermains 28073 : Gerrys Union Pin number 107 : : There are also a few characters who reappear. The most obvious one is : 'FLip', the newsagent/spy. Also note the old man in the bookstore who : asks Gerry about the Catcher in the Rye is a security guard at the : hospital he is held at near the end. There are probably others too. : : The newspapers Gerry clips state that: : The item on the president to visit turkey: On the rest of the page is an : incomplete article on GWS and Schwartzkopf claiming ignorance on why : parts of his battle logs are missing.
[CTRL] Doubting Thomas
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : North America : Clinton Impeachment US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to address right-wing, pro-impeachment organization By Barry Grey 5 February 1999 The year-long impeachment campaign has lifted the lid on a political fact well known within the political and media establishment, but concealed from the American people--the intimate links between extreme right-wing organizations and individuals and officials in the highest echelons of government. Among the institutions that have played a critical role in promoting the political conspiracy that has culminated in the Senate impeachment trial is the Supreme Court, and events have demonstrated that this supposedly non-partisan body includes justices with close ties to the most reactionary elements in American society. It was Chief Justice William Rehnquist--who played a role in authorizing Nixon's illegal wiretaps nearly three decades ago--who appointed David Sentelle, a protégé of Senator Jesse Helms, as head of the three-judge panel that oversees the independent counsel. Sentelle promptly fired Robert Fiske and appointed right-wing Republican Ken Starr to replace him. And it was the Supreme Court's May 1997 ruling against a White House motion to delay the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit that set the stage for all that has followed. Rehnquist is now presiding over the trial he helped bring about. Over the past week a controversy has emerged concerning another Supreme Court judge and his ties to the far right. Associate Justice Clarence Thomas is scheduled to appear as the keynote speaker at the February 9 Lincoln Day dinner of the Claremont Institute, a right-wing think tank that is actively campaigning for the removal of President Clinton. On Monday Barry Lynn, executive director of the Washington-based liberal group Americans United for Separation of Church and State, sent Thomas a letter of protest urging him to cancel his speech to the institute. Observed Lynn, "I don't believe any justice should celebrate Abraham Lincoln's birthday by dining with a right-wing group that tries to limit legal protections for minorities." As of this writing, Thomas has not replied to Lynn's letter. Other speakers listed by the Claremont Institute for its February 9 colloquium, to be held at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, include Terry Eastland, publisher of the American Spectator, and Bill Kristol of the Weekly Standard. The master of ceremonies for the event will be the television game show host Pat Sajak. Eastland's American Spectator is funded by the billionaire publisher Richard Mellon Scaife. It has been a clearing house for salacious gossip and extravagant allegations against Clinton from the first days of the Clinton administration. In late 1993 the American Spectator published charges by Arkansas state troopers who claimed to have procured sex for Clinton while he was governor, referring in passing to a woman named "Paula." This article, whose author subsequently issued a public retraction, was seized on by Paula Jones as the pretext for her suit. Bill Kristol is a pundit who appears regularly on Sunday TV interview shows. He plays a prominent role in the right wing of the Republican Party. A dossier on the Claremont Institute published by Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU) outlines the institute's promotion of right-wing libertarian policies as well as positions central to the agenda of the Christian right. It also notes the political ties of the institute to other bodies that have played a major role in the impeachment drive. AU points out that Thomas has a long-standing connection to the institute, which is based in Claremont, California. He addressed the group in December of 1993 and has accepted its Statesmanship Award. One of the institute's main financial backers is Scaife. Claremont accepted $75,000 from the Sarah Scaife Foundation in 1994 and $225,000 in 1997. Claremont President Larry P. Arnn ran unsuccessfully for Congress in the Republican primary for California's 43rd Congressional District in 1992. Last year he was asked by Republican congressional leaders to help shape the party's platform for the year 2000. Arnn is also a member of the Council on National Policy, a network of right-wing Republican officials, leaders of Christian right organizations and other far-right operatives that meets regularly to plot strategy. The Council on National Policy has played a major role in orchestrating the impeachment drive, and it numbers among its members Republican politicians who have been at the forefront of the campaign: Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, and Bob Barr, one of the House managers prosecuting the case against Clinton in the Senate. Other members include Senator Jesse Helms, House Majority Leader Dick Armey, Pat Robertson, Free Congress Foundation President Paul Weyrich, and religious right radio
[CTRL] ILLUMINATI-as in encyclopaedia britannica 1911
-Caveat Lector- ILLUMINATI (Lat. Illuminare) a designation in use from the I5th century, and applied to, or assumed by, enthusiasts of types distinct from each other, according as the " light " claimed was viewed as directly communicated from a higher source, or as due to a clarified and exalted condition of the human intelligence. To the former class belong the alumbrados of Spain. Menendez Pelayo first finds the name about 1492 (in the form aluminados), but traces them back to a Gnostic origin, and thinks their views were promoted in Spain through influences from Italv. One of their earliest leaders, born in Salamanca, a laubour 's daughter, known as La Beata de Piedrahita, came under the notice of the Inquisition in 1511: as claiming to hold colloquies with our Lord and the Virgin ; having high patrons, no decision was taken against her (Los Weterodosos espaitoles, I88I, lib. v.). Ignatius Loyola, while studying at Salamanca (1527) was brought before an ecclesiastical commission on a charge of sympathy with the alumbrados, but escaped with an admonition. Others were not so fortunate. In 1529 a congregation of unlettered adherents at Toledo was visited with scourging and imprisonment. Greater rigours followed, and for about a. century the alumbrados afforded many victims to the Inquisition, especially at Cordova. The movement (under the name of Illumines) seems to have reached France from Sevillc in 1623, and attained some proportions in Picardy when joined (1634) by Pierre Guerin, curee of Saint-Georges de Ruyo, whose followers, known as Guerinets, were suppressed in 1635 (Hermant, His/. Drs herese, I717). Another and obscure body of Illumines came to light in the south of France in 1723, and appears to have lingered till 1794, having nffmitk with those known contemporaneously in this country as " French Prophets," an offshoot of the camisards. Of different class were the so-called Illuminati, better known as Rosicrucians, who) claimed to originate in 1422 but rose into notice in 1537 ;a.secret society, combining with the mysteries of alchemy the possession of esoteric principles of religion. Their positions are embodied in three anonymous treatises of 1614 (Richard et Giraucl, Dirt. de la thtol. cath.). A short-lived movement of republican freethought, to whose adherents the name illuminati was Given, ~1s founded on may day 1776 by Adam Weishauptt (d. I83O), professor of canon Law at Ingolstadlt, an ex-Jesuit. The chosen title of this Order or society was Perfectibalists Its members, pledged to obedience to :their superiors, were divided into three main classes ; the first including " novices,"" minervals " and " lesser illuminati " : the second consisting of freemasons, " ordinary," "Scottish " and " Scottish knights " . the third or " and mystery " class comprising two grades of ' priest " " regent " and of " magus " and " king." Relations with masonic lodges were establishcd at Munich and Freising in 1780, The order had its branches in mosit countries of the European continent, but its total numbers never seem to have exceeded two thousand. The scheme had its attraction for literary men such as Goethe and Herder, and even for the reigning- dukes of Gotha and Weima . Internal rupture preceded its downfall which was effected bv an edict of the bavarian government in 1785;. Later, the title Illuminati was given to the French Martinists, founded in 1754 by Martinez Pasqualis, and to their imitators, the Russian martinists, headed about 1790 by Professor Schwartz of Moscow ; both were Cabalists and allegoristsimbibing ideas from Jakob Boehme and Emmanuel Swedenborg DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Low Expectations
-Caveat Lector- From LM (url at bottom) "" There was a time when university students were challenged to question their commonsense view of the world. A good university education sought to equip students with an ability to think critically, to acquire an understanding of the world that would be inaccessible through their direct personal experience. Today such an education is denounced as elitist and, worse still, as irrelevant to people's lives. On the contrary, students are encouraged to talk about their experience and tutors are instructed to offer courses that are relevant to their teenage customers' experience. Instead of learning to question their commonsense assumptions, students are taught to become sceptical about the wider claims of truth, objectivity or of any big idea. "" A culture of low expectations All the fuss about 'dumbing down' appears to assume that people are becoming more stupid. On the contrary, says Frank Furedi; it is society's elites that have lowered their standards and embraced the banal 'Dumbing down' is one of those confusing concepts that obscures as much as it reveals. People in general are probably no less interested in ideas than they were three or four generations ago. Although there is a lot of crass culture about, it is possible to find great books, watch inspiring films and even encounter great music. Visit a decent bookshop and you will see dozens of customers leafing through heavy-looking tomes. Most kids you meet are curious, imaginative and open to new ideas. At least when they begin their courses, the first-year university students I teach are passionate about learning and aspire to a first-class education. In as much as it means anything, dumbing down does not refer to the intelligence of most people. Rather it is about culture - or more specifically about the elites who influence and regulate the flow of cultural ideas. Strictly speaking one should not even call these people an elite today, since they self-consciously instruct the rest of society that elitism is wrong and that the institutions of culture and education should be made more relevant to everybody's concerns. That might sound admirably egalitarian. But in many respects an elite that refuses to acknowledge its status is even worse than one that revels in it. The old elitist snobbery has been replaced by one that masquerades as anti-elitism. This new snobbery regards anything that is truly challenging and demanding as way beyond the capacity of 'ordinary people'. The new snobs demand that people should be taught only what is deemed to be relevant to their little lives. Their message is that we should not expect too much of ordinary people. Competition and examinations are often indicted for being divisive, by which they mean that it is wrong to stigmatise failure or praise achievement. The elitism of the new breed of cultural populist is strikingly manifested in the conviction that they know what is best for others. Dumbing down in contemporary society is not simply about the lowering of standards. Its distinctive feature is the transformation of knowledge into a commodity that can do little more than serve the self. Knowledge is no longer really seen as a means of understanding the world outside yourself. Instead it serves no purpose higher than that of personal coping and survival. That is why, sadly, many of the people leafing through the latest publications in bookshops are probably searching self-help books for answers to their personal problems. Since ideas need serve no cause that transcends the individual self, it is perhaps unsurprising that we are not living through a period of bold intellectual experimentation or a renaissance in culture. The individuation of knowledge, like the reduction of understanding to 'self-awareness', renders it utterly banal. In one sense the current debate about dumbing down represents a recurrent theme in modern Western culture. It seems that every generation discovers a new education crisis and examples of falling standards. Throughout this century the cultural elites of one generation have reacted to those of the previous era, and declared that their view of the world offered a better way forward than the old-fashioned ways of their predecessors. Conservative critics of mass society have always been particularly sensitive to manifestations of cultural decline. In turn, radical thinkers have persuasively argued that the traditionalist defence of standards is often nothing more than a self-serving argument for protecting the unearned privileges of a powerful minority. So at least superficially nothing has changed. However, look more closely and the debate about dumbing down today has little in common with those of the past. Critics of tradition focused their attack on a system of education which was unfair because it excluded those who were potentially more able than its mediocre beneficiaries. They criticised the dominant culture on the grounds
[CTRL] Good Citizens
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.si.edu/organiza/affil/WWICS/OUTREACH/WQ/WQCURR/WQBKPER/BOOK-1.HTM How Are We Doing? THE GOOD CITIZEN: A History of American Civic Life. By Michael Schudson. Free Press. 390 pp. $27.50 Reviewed by Michael Barone You don't have to look hard to find complaints about the decline of American civic life. Voter turnout is down; many voluntary organizations have lost members; people bowl alone rather than in leagues. But in The Good Citizen, sociologist Michael Schudson argues that things may not be all that bad. Drawing on a deep and wide-ranging knowledge of American history, he shows that there was never a golden age of civic participation. In his view, our current civic life is much healthier than the critics suggest. Certainly it is much different. Adopting a historical division similar to that of Robert Wiebe in Self-Rule (1995) and Bruce Ackerman in We the People: Foundations (1991), Schudson describes a politics of deference in the colonial and federal periods, a politics of parties from the Jacksonian years until the turn of the century, a politics of progressive reforms from 1900 to about 1960, and a politics of rights in the years since. Each style of politics was transformed, fairly abruptly as such things go, by changes in the character of the country, by changes in the law, and (though Schudson does not emphasize this) by responses to developments in Europe. Colonial Americans, though "renegade, individualistic, and distrustful of authority," practiced a politics of deference to local notables that was much like the politics of 18th-century Britain. Voters queued up at local courthouses and, with the higher born speaking first, declared their choices before one and all. American deference, however, had its limits. Members of local elites were not guaranteed election, for voters, judging on the basis of character, presumably rejected the incompetent and the eccentric or deterred them from standing. Some were seen as more able than others; thus George Washington was selected as colonial commander in chief in 1775, though not distinguished by primogeniture (he was the second son of a second marriage) or wealth (many elite Virginians were richer) or seniority (he was 43). The American Revolution, writes Schudson, marked "the beginning of the end of deference." The party as a mass organization got its start in the 1790s, a product of divisions over the French Revolution and the war between France and Britain. But the first party system withered as the Federalists faded from the scene. Change came in the 1820s and 1830s: extension of the vote from male property owners (already a large group) to all adult males, direct election of presidential electors, the organization of mass parties, an efflorescence of the voluntary associations Alexis de Tocqueville described in the 1830s, and the proliferation of elective offices and patronage jobs to the point that one in five voters in the late 19th century had an economic interest in election results. Parties staged torchlight parades, marched voters to the polls (often with a cash incentive), provided ballots (the government didn't print ballots at the time), and held quadrennial national conventions. The Civil War years excepted, this was still an era of minimalist government, yet voter turnout as a percentage of eligibles--accepted by Schudson, as by so many others, as the prime indicator of citizen involvement--reached historic highs. But citizen involvement, as the author points out, was anything but an exercise of thoughtful ratiocination. Politics was emotional; attachment to parties exceeded rational bounds; pecuniary interest was often a motivation for political activity. In an entr'acte chapter, Schudson looks at the Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858, so often held up as an example of high citizen involvement. He concedes that the speakers were men of high intellect who at times presented serious moral and political arguments with great sophistication. But more often, he notes, they advanced or attempted to refute crude conspiracy theories, made coarse jokes (often racist, in Douglas's case), and attacked each other's character as bluntly as any 1990s negative ad. The seven debates (Lincoln had proposed 50!) attracted huge crowds, but most people probably came for entertainment or to cheer on their candidate and heckle the opposition. By the 1890s, elites were increasingly troubled by this unruly and seemingly irrational politics. They were engaged in what Robert Wiebe called "the search for order," creating orderly bureaucratic government and corporations in place of patronage politics and buccaneer businesses. In the process, voters were disenfranchised--most notably blacks in the South, but also aliens in most states and illiterate people in many. States took over the task of printing ballots, and the secret ballot was instituted. The number of elective offices was reduced, and elections were made nonpartisan
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/5/99 6:31:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But generally, if one is hypothyroid, you'd find yourself tired most of the time, or getting tired easilyyou'd probably tend to feel colder than everyone else (indeed, a simple test to check for hypothyroidism is to take one's basal temp every morning -- first thing upon awakening, before doing anything else, you take your temp -- opinions vary about whether to take it orally, or by sticking it under your armpit for 10 minutes -- and record your temps for every morning for two weeks...if you're hypothyroid, you'll find you're running a few degrees below normal) (the armpit temp's normal temp is a few decimals below one's oral temp) Another common sign is very dry skin, and one may or may not have a goiter...also one tends to lose one's appetite, but ironically tends to put on weight (or find it difficult if not impossible to lose weight) Wow this exactly describes what I am experiencing. I am on synthetic thyroid hormone but it is a small dose and seems to not be affecting it much. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Conspiracy Theory: The Movie]
-Caveat Lector- Johannes Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The numbers 5 and 23 crop up frequently. snip Hmmm...I would've expected 17 as well fnord. (Or perhaps the frequent occurrence of 16 is meant to imply 17 *by its absence*... "Indeed do many things come to pass!") Hail Eris! Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Air Force to court martial...
-Caveat Lector-
Cris:
God created the person. The Supreme Law of the land, created by persons,
created the military. It is not for the clay to dictate to the potter.
Only God has the legitimate right to take away life and man's well being.
This is a fundamental God given right. The militay has NO, I'll repeat...NO,
authority over our basic rights from God. Since, the U.S. Constitution is the
Supreme Law of the land and it affirms these basic rights, even to be above
our Constituion.
Fundamental rights are not given by the Constitution, but,
are "affirmed" for the politicians and bureaucrats to acknowledge, an eternal
reminder. So, no government lackey and traitor nor military cyborg can dictate
a sheople code of ignorance and injustice over his brother. No man can
superimpose his will over another man's God given rights. There are no
excuses.
Period.
These remain always with us. The Law of God being foremost; and the
laws of man as instruments of man, not bludgeons. Liberty is not bought
by any price, other than eternal vigilence...right down to the most basic
principle of honor, love for our neighbor and respect for one's privilege of
self righteousness before God's standard.
Lest we forget:
Proverb 29:2 "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn."
Proverb 29:12 "If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked."
If we cannot learn from wisdom and do not heed basic history lessons, as a
nation we will perish from this earth. Self destruction is moving forward
in the U.S. at light speed because we and our neighbors no longer reason
and no more are we vigilent nor honorable.
A nation which is ruled by a perverted coward and dismembers live,
defenseless babies, is a far cry from honor. Give me the court martial,
rather than "wimp out" capitulate. - above all - Give me liberty or give me
death!...P. Henry
My regards.
jerome steiner allen
Patriot, American Indian, Wounded Eagle, down homer and ordinary guy.
BTW: Seems like the head whore of government took an oath; so much for
oaths by our leaders.
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At 08:42 AM 02/05/1999 -0600, you wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
The last word of the oath, as you have correctly provided it, is also
optional. Any person who is opts for entitlement to wear the uniform is so
charged (and I think certain classes of civil servant are as well).
One of the issues involving the oath overall that provides some confusion
is "... obey the orders : of the President of the United States and the
officers appointed over me..." Again, the assumption is all orders to be
obeyed will be legal and lawful. The participants at My Lai, Rep of Viet
Nam, ran into problems with Lt Calley{sp?} (as he also encountered
problems) insisting on his orders to be obeyed. And, so, a bit of
skepticism and personal judgment is always required, recogising that
politicians, officers (commissioned and noncommissioned), or civilian
equivalents sometimes don't have truth, justice and the American way on
their side(s).
AER
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
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: From: Chris Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who
has...
: Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:51 PM
:
: -Caveat Lector-
:
: The exact wording of the oath (if I recall correctly ) is:
: I, [ insert name here } do solemnly swear [or affirm] that I will uphold
and
: defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign
and
: domestic, and bear truth faith and allegiance to the same, and obey the
orders
: of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over me,
so
: help me God.
:
: The Air and Army National Guard also swear to obey the order of the
governor
: of the state in which they enlist; this being inserted after the mention
of
: the President.
:
: If you swear the oath, it doesn't matter if it's peacetime or wartime.
Simply
: put, you promised to obey orders. As long as the order is lawful ( it
doesn't
: violate the law ) you're subject to punishment if you refuse to comply.
Since
: the military has the authority to order you to receive vaccination, you
don't
: have any choice.
:
: DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
: ==
: CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting
propagandic
: screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid
matters
: and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and
outright
: frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor
effects
: spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
: gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
readers;
: be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
: nazi's need not apply.
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[CTRL] Nuclear Terror! .. the Clinton Legacy!
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Martin H. Katchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 7:58 PM Subject: Fw: PRC Seeks 1000 Nuclear Tipped Missiles -Original Message- From: CharlesSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: CAS: PRC Seeks 1000 Nuclear Tipped Missiles According to a classified report Chinese Army is mounting an effort to build a modern force of 1,000 nuclear tipped missiles in the next five years. The Clinton administration is frantically trying to render the Defense Department evaluation secret. The White House claims their secrecy gag on the report is required so as to not cause a rift between already tense U.S./Sino relations. Republican Congressional officials accuse the President of covering up the Chinese espionage inside the White House. Republicans site a clear evidence that President Clinton allowed a long list of advanced military technology to be transferred to the Chinese armed forces. The 1,000 intermediate and long range missiles will primarily be targeted at U.S. armed forced in the Asian region and U.S. allies in Asia. The force of DF-15, CSS-5 and DF-41 missiles will carry high yield, light weight, nuclear warheads designed with U.S. super computers and plans stolen from the U.S. The missiles will be under the command of the Second Artillery Corps, the Chinese Army strategic missile forces. The nuclear warheads will remain separate from the missiles under the control of Communist Party Politiburo officers. The modern Chinese missile force is feared to be the signal of a new round of the nuclear arms race. China is estimated to have about 200 nuclear tipped missile in the current PLA inventory. Russia and the U.S. have hundreds of strategic missiles. However, the Russian and American forces are declining in numbers and are bound by Strategic Arms (SALT) treaties. The Chinese Second Artillery Corps, the PLA unit in charge of all missile forces, is rapidly expanding. The DOD estimate is based on the size of storage and manufacturing facilities currently under construction inside China. The analysis is backed by a series of classified spy satellite photos of huge PLA missile facilities being built to house and maintain the mobile launchers and nuclear warheads. President Clinton is already under fire for allowing Chinese Army agents to purchase large amounts of advanced U.S. missile technology such as radiation hardened microchips and advanced missile radar technology. In many instances the U.S. exporter, such as LORAL, made significant donations to President Clinton. According to a document obtained by the Freedom of Information Act, Loral DEFENSE President Jerald Lindfelt sought to export Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) technology to China. The document is a letter from Lindfelt to Ron Brown. According to Lindfelt's letter, the radar transfer would serve humanitarian causes. The Loral Defense President attached a letter from Zheng Lizhong, Deputy Director of the Chinese National Remote Sensing Center, citing civilian applications of the advanced SAR radar. The Defense Department recently noted in a January 1999 report on Chinese weapon research that the Chinese "Institute of Remote Sensing" is actually a front for Army missile guidance design laboratories. According to the Defense Department report, the Institute of Remote Sensing is "a developer of precision guidance systems for missiles". Ms. Zheng wrote "The SAR system can take mapping images through dust, cloud and heavy precipitation making it the perfect medium to give our officials up to date news of the floods, thereby allowing many life saving activities to be carried out." Clearly, Ms. Zheng was also well informed as to who in the U.S. government was blocking the transfer and who could help them. Ms. Zheng wrote, "According to your manufacturers because the function of the equipment can be classed as military and civilian the U.S. State Department continues to block any moves to put the products in the control of the Commerce Department." Loral took Ms. Zheng's advice. Loral DEFENSE President Lindfelt, wrote Brown in March of 1996. Lindfelt sought Brown's help in the export of SAR technology to directly to the Chinese missile lab. Lindfelt's appeal also included a direct request for Ron Brown to over rule the Department of Defense, the State Department and even Brown's own Commerce Department which had all previously denied SAR radar export to China. "We've worked hard trying to resolve these problems with the Department of State, the Department of Commerce and the Defense Technology Security Administration (DTSA)," Loral's Lindfelt wrote to Brown. "But someone in these organizations always manages to block our participation... Over the years we have found that this type of obstacle often comes from lower levels of management rather
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE]
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The only time I ever got a flu shot, within 6 weeks I had the WORST bout of flu I'd ever had in my whole life...I'd never been that sick before, it was the first time I'd ever had laryngitis, etc. Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one of them... I patently REFUSE to have another flu shot, EVER... June June, I don't know if this was the practice when you got your shot, but when I got my flu shot a couple of months ago, I had to sign a sheet stating that I had been informed of the possible side effects of the vaccine. Yes, it *can* give you a full-blown case of the flu, although the odds of that happening are low; you were one of the cases where it *did* happen. I have to get a flu shot, as well as pneumovax (vaccine against Staphylococcus pneumoniae, which causes some forms of pneumonia as well as other problems), because I have a chronic lung condition (pulmonary sarcoidosis). It's your call whether you get another flu shot; if you're otherwise healthy, and don't mind running the risk, you can probably get away with skipping it. I *can't* run that risk; I have enough trouble breathing without adding the flu into the equation. I also doubt that the flu vaccine is related to the thing that Teo was speaking of--I've had a variant of it for the past two months. My pulmonologist calls it "There's a lot of that going around." I'd like to see an epidemiological study of the areas where the spraying, odd contrails, etc., have been reported, to determine if there is a greater incidence of "there's a lot of that going around" in those areas than elsewhere. Even some strong anecdotal evidence would be useful. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Book Review: 'The Secret Behind Secret Societies
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Kirby the Konspiracy Boy says, "Don't read this magazine!!! It's all a diabolical brainwashing plot!!!" If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist/ and sign up. Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Book Review: 'The Secret Behind Secret Societies: Liberation of the Planet in the 21st Century' by Jon Rappoport Truth Seeker Company, Inc. P.O. Box 28550 San Diego, CA 92198 http://truth-seeker.com (as heard on Jeff Rense's Sightintings on the Radio http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/98archives.stm archive 10/12/98) Reviewed by: Frank Altomonte Jon Rappoport, for those unfamiliar with him, is one of those men for all seasons. An investigative reporter by trade, he is really a philosopher at heart. His previous publications, 'Aids Inc.:The Scandal of the Century', 'Oklahoma City Bombing:The Suppressed Truth' and 'Madalyn Murray O'hare: "The Most Hated Woman in America' were all investigative in nature, but this latest work is not one of those, entirely. The subject category printed on the back cover is Self Actualization. His more recent book, Lifting the Veil: David Icke Interviewed by Jon Rappoport, is a preview of the format for this latest publication. In Rappoport's down to earth 'man on the street' style of journalism, we are taken on a journey through one man's time and memory of early experiences that created the foundation for his quest for truth and individual freedom. Along the way we are treated to interviews with people who have belonged to secret societies and those from a different camp, one where the innate power of the individual is manifested and practiced. We are shown how these two camps are in direct opposition to one another, i.e., how the secret societies keep this power from the individua herding all of society along as common cattle. The journey begins in Greenwich Village, New York in 1961. Fresh out of Amherst College with a degree in Philosophy, Rappoport was working his last day at a bookstore. In walks a man who asks about books on healing. All they had were books by Wilhelm Reich, if that was what he wanted. The man claimed he had all of those in French and German despite the US ban having been lifted. He makes a remark about Reich being 'on the inside' but having found out a lot for someone in his position. Rappoport, a bit of a skeptic, points out Reich was a student of Freud who breaks away and dies in jail. The man explains that 'inside' is a relative term but compared to Reich the healing he is referring is '...on Mars. These people don't write books.' This man explains he makes his living by treating sick people. Rappoport, very curious, now has to find out what this man, Richard Jenkins, is talking about. He invites Rappoport to his apartment to watch as he performs on his clients. For the next year Rappoport is introduced to an unwritten tradition of healing where someone lies down on a table and the practioner, Jenkins in this case, appears to move energy around the person's body using his hands. The people report many things besides a return to health. Some are there simply to explore the effects of this energy manipulation on their minds. Rappoport begins to apprentice. After that year, Jenkins and his wife leave New York to finish their long time search for the origins of this tradition, having told Rappoport of what they had learned so far. Rappoport continues to treat clients on his own, learning from his own silent inner dialogue when practicing and listening carefully to accounts of their physical and psychic experiences. This 'Tradition of Imagination', as he grew to identify it, becomes the major theme in this book contrasted in depth with its antithesis, the 'Formula of the Secret Society'. We are beckoned to join in a search for the beginnings of this tradition. Where did it originate? Who originated it? What else did they know? Rappoport reveals the clues he was given from a personal source, a contact to the forebearer of Richard Jenkins, and looks to the present and reaches back into history and time immemoriam chasing down avenues and corridors for this priceless understanding of a hidden tradition in human history. We visit the Dead Sea Scrolls, advanced paranormal powers, Dean Radin, Giordano Bruno and mystical Tibetan Buddhism. Alongside this theme of the 'Tradition of Imagination' we are also guided through a detailed anatomy lesson on the 'Formula of the Secret
[CTRL] Fwd: Religion, sex, drugs and mind control
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tallyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Operation: WATCHTOWER From: Tallyman Organization: KultKrimeFighters(tm) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:22:07 -0500 Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol,alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.misc,alt.ANYBO DY! Still trying to find out any and all information possible about a US Govt? Mind Control program deemed -- "Operation: WATCHTOWER" same news reporter tells me that Mrs. Smith indicated to him that she has documents hidden away that give what she believes is the real reason for Smith's death. He further stated that these documents will appear, if and when, an official public investigation takes place. It is the reporters understanding that the documents has something to do with CIA and Green Beret personnel smuggling drugs. This reporter backed off the story because he was afraid for his life. A friend of mine, David Thompson had developed a strong interest in the Colombian Cocaine cartel and Palo Escobar while living on his coffee exporting company in Colombia. When he returned to the U.S., he did extensive research to follow up on some of the things he learned while living in Medallin, and made several trips back and forth between San Francisco and Colombia. In 1991, he persuaded Rolling Stone to pay his expenses to go to Colombia to get an interview with Pablo Escobar, but the closest he could get was an interview with Escobar's chief attorney, Guido Parra Montoya (who has since been murdered with his son). When David returned, Rolling Stone cancelled out on David to cover Desert Storm, so I published his interview in in Mind Matters Review. He eventually got an interview with Escobar after he was captured, but he got distracted from that by a deal with Conflict Magazine, supposed published by Rand Corporation and a French publisher for a book and an article. He did get that article published on the cartels in Colombia. On another trip to do a follow-up article and to finish his book, one evening he received a phone call from someone who offered the key bit of information he needed to finish his book. He was told to meet the man some place in Medallin that night. After a few hours, he returned home, stumbling and mumbling and went right to bed. He didn't wake up the next day and was taken to the hospital in a coma. The doctors who examined him suspected poison. When he was brought back to California in a coma, his medical records were lost. After his girl friend in Venice, California received threatening phone calls from the Colombian Secret Police, she started telling everyone who knew David that he drank himself to death that night when he went out to meet the man who offered information in Medallin. In David's interview with Guido Parra Montoya, Parra stated, "If you analyze it very precisely, you might come to the conclusin that drugs could become an instrument of the New Cold War." That seemed to fit in with experiences that I have had with an even more bizarre twist of the use of drugs for mind control in medical experimentation that I have suspected to have links to the CIA's MK-ULTRA right here in San Francisco at the San Francisco Dept. of Public Health where I worked for 10 years until I was run out for blowing the whistle. It is well-documented that the CIA used prostitutes to lure men into houses with the promise of sex, but to be given LSD without their knowledge. Working in the health dept, I noticed a long pattern of the mixture of the use of sex and drugs and psychological blackmail with classic mind-control techniques... sometimes under the pretense of "sensitivity training sessions" for employees consisting of employees being required to sit for hours watching pornographic films of every imaginable type of sexual behavior. The most bizarre twist on mind control there was brainwashing in one of their clinics designed to lure men into changing their gender by taking female hormones, but without informing them that the dosages they were given were enough to produce mind-altering experiences. One of the things that the CIA wanted to find out in its Project MK-ULTRA was how LSD changes sex patterns, and I believe, from my experiences there, that there was a coverup of collaboration between sadistic psychiatrists and other medical employees of the health dept. and the CIA designed to give the homosexual agenda an enormous role in the psychological warfare in the 1990s. Think about it: Clinton is the first U.S. president to invite homosexual activists into the White House. It's not just homosexuality that the homosexual agenda is pushing... but a whole new view of sex as a legitimate tool of persuasion in public policy despite ample knowledge of how easily sex has been used to get people to compromise ethical judgement. Think about the role of sex in Clinton's public-approval rating despite all of the corruption that Clinton is involved in. I have made a video on
[CTRL] Fwd: Have fun--Great Photos of the Area 51 -- Groom Lake -- Secret Air base
-Caveat Lector- Here is the most detailed panoramic photo ever of AREA 51, from North to South at Groom Lake, courtesy of Chuck Clark. Toward the South, one can clearly see underground construction going on. A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-20.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-20.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-19.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-19.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-18.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-18.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-17.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-17.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-16.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-16.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-15.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-15.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-14.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-14.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-13.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-13.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-12.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-12.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-11.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-11.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-10.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-10.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-9.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-9.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-8.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-8.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-7.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-7.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-6.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-6.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-5.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-5.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-4.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-4.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-3.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-3.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-2.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-2.jpg/A A HREF="ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-1.jpg" ftp://talbot.dyndns.com/NORIO/A51-1.jpg/A A HREF="http://members.aol.com/GroomWatch/index.html"Norio's GroomWatch Central/A http://members.aol.com/GroomWatch LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT AREA 51 IS STILL THERE, NEVER MOVED ANYWHERE AND SOME PARTS ARE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION Comments: Thanks to Norio for sharing these very detailed panorama photos of the air base the military refuses to acknowledge. Workers get flown down to here daily from Los Vegas and these workers don't need to get left in toxic no health care limbo because they have to work there. The huge piles of dirt and mining shaft operations are definite signs A51 has gone underground. This site has DOE origins and many of the RADAR dark systems ideas come from DOE science---many of the first techniques used nuclear emission in air to absorb the Radio wave energy to make the RADAR dark planes and even ships. Many of the early techniques were very contaminating of the environment. The new resistive panel designs or passive absorber techniuques don't do this. The military and DOE are still hiding some very serious things and the A51 security is behind some of these things-gross violations on the use of security involving war crimes by US nuclear scientists. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial...
-Caveat Lector- Profr. Jerome Steiner A. wrote: -Caveat Lector- Cris: God created the person. The Supreme Law of the land, created by persons, created the military. It is not for the clay to dictate to the potter. Only God has the legitimate right to take away life and man's well being. This is a fundamental God given right. The militay has NO, I'll repeat...NO, authority over our basic rights from God. Since, the U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land and it affirms these basic rights, even to be above our Constituion. Fundamental rights are not given by the Constitution, but, are "affirmed" for the politicians and bureaucrats to acknowledge, an eternal reminder. So, no government lackey and traitor nor military cyborg can dictate a sheople code of ignorance and injustice over his brother. No man can superimpose his will over another man's God given rights. There are no excuses. Period. These remain always with us. The Law of God being foremost; and the laws of man as instruments of man, not bludgeons. Liberty is not bought by any price, other than eternal vigilence...right down to the most basic principle of honor, love for our neighbor and respect for one's privilege of self righteousness before God's standard. Lest we forget: Proverb 29:2 "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn." Proverb 29:12 "If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked." If we cannot learn from wisdom and do not heed basic history lessons, as a nation we will perish from this earth. Self destruction is moving forward in the U.S. at light speed because we and our neighbors no longer reason and no more are we vigilent nor honorable. A nation which is ruled by a perverted coward and dismembers live, defenseless babies, is a far cry from honor. Give me the court martial, rather than "wimp out" capitulate. - above all - Give me liberty or give me death!...P. Henry My regards. jerome steiner allen Patriot, American Indian, Wounded Eagle, down homer and ordinary guy. That's a bit religious isn't it!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IRAQ: Russia Objects to UNSCOM Report on Iraqi Weapons
-Caveat Lector- /** mideast.gulf: 408.0 **/ ** Topic: IRAQ: Russia Objects to UNSCOM Report on Iraqi Weapons ** ** Written 6:28 AM Feb 1, 1999 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] in cdp:mideast.gulf ** Russia Objects to UNSCOM Report on Iraqi Weapons UNITED NATIONS, January 25 (Xinhua) -- The United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) in charge of Iraqi disarmament did not officially distribute a report on Iraqi weapons on Monday because of Russia's objection, diplomats said. Russia's permanent representative to the U.N. Sergei Lavrov said he doesn't believe the Security Council has a consensus regarding information from UNSCOM. Since the military strikes launched by the United States and Britain against Iraq in December, Russia has toughened its stance in seeking the abolishment of UNSCOM. France supports the idea and is calling for its replacement by a new arms monitoring body. UNSCOM, led by Australian diplomat Richard Butler, has been blamed for withdrawing from Iraq in mid-December without reporting to the Security Council first. The December 16-19 attacks on Iraq, the heaviest since the Gulf War in 1991, were taken on the basis of an UNSCOM report, which said Iraq did not cooperate with UNSCOM. The U.S. and Britain are the only permanent members of the Security Council to call for the return of UNSCOM to Baghdad to continue arms inspections. But Iraq said UNSCOM is dead following the U.S.-Britain military action. It has called for the lifting of sanctions on Iraq imposed following its invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Enditem -- - provided by infoPool News Service - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Copyright « XINHUA News Agency - all rights reserved - - - - - - http://home.t-online.de/home/infoPool-News http://user.exit.de/giv/index.htm --- Further Informations about Iraq and Palestine: http://www.germany.net/teilnehmer/101,88843/ --- __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IRAQ: Canada Submits New Proposal on Iraq
-Caveat Lector- /** mideast.gulf: 410.0 **/ ** Topic: IRAQ: Canada Submits New Proposal on Iraq ** ** Written 6:28 AM Feb 1, 1999 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] in cdp:mideast.gulf ** Canada Submits New Proposal on Iraq UNITED NATIONS, January 27 (Xinhua) -- Canada Wednesday submitted to the United Nations Security Council a revised proposal on how to move forward in addressing disarmament and humanitarian issues concerning Iraq. According to the proposal, the Security Council would call for the establishment of three panels, each under the chairmanship of the current president of the council, Ambassador Celso Amorim of Brazil. The proposal said that in an effort to maintain continuity, his chairmanship would run beyond his current tenure as president of the Security Council in order to complete this work. Canada suggested the first panel, on the disarmament issue, would be comprised of commissioners from the United Nations Special Commission, experts from the International Atomic Energy Agency as well as the U.N. under-secretary-general for disarmament affairs. It would assess the existing body of information relating to the state of disarmament in Iraq and make recommendations to the Security Council regarding the re-establishment of an effective disarmament regime in Iraq. The second panel, on humanitarian issues, would be make up of officials form the Office of the Iraq Program, the Secretariat of the 661 Committee as well as the U.N. under-secretary-general for humanitarian affairs. This panel would assess the current humanitarian situation in Iraq and make recommendations to the Security Council regarding measures it might take to improve the humanitarian situation in Iraq. The third panel, on prisoners of war, Kuwaiti property and archives, would consist of the executive director of the Office of the Iraq Program and expert advisers from the International Committee of the Red Cross. It would make an assessment of Iraqi compliance relating to prisoners of war, Kuwaiti property, and Kuwaiti archives, as stipulated by Security Council resolutions, and make recommendations to the Security Council with regard to these matters. The proposal said the chairman would maintain close liaison with the secretary-general on all matters under consideration by the panels. The chairman, in consultation with panel participants and members of the Security Council, would adopt appropriate working methods and plans of work, bearing in mind the urgent need to re-establish Iraqi compliance with U.N. Security Council resolutions. Robert Fowler, Canadian ambassador to the United Nations, told the press that it was still too early for the council to negotiate the substance of the issue of Iraq, and the council was working to narrow the differences between them and get to the position to start the real talks on Iraq. Enditem 03:50 03:51 g # NAB -- - provided by infoPool News Service - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Copyright « XINHUA News Agency - all rights reserved - - - - - - http://home.t-online.de/home/infoPool-News http://user.exit.de/giv/index.htm --- Further Informations about Iraq and Palestine: http://www.germany.net/teilnehmer/101,88843/ --- __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Religion, sex, drugs and mind control
-Caveat Lector- in relation, please read "The Eleventh Plague" by leonard A. Cole and" The search for The Manchurian Candidate" by John Marks liz DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- And it would seem that flu shot ended up DESTROYING my immune system by destroying my thyroid, one of the most integral organs of the immune system... June == It would seem you have Acquired an Immune Deficiency. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 05 Equality.A
-Caveat Lector- Frosty wrote: #1 Do you believe in equal rights ... yes or no MJ: Yes. but based upon the Natural Rights Ideal of an individual's RIGHT to their own life as the subjagation of might. Frosty wrote: #2 Should every one have the same right to profit, get stupid or do any thing they want because their acts only have the potential to harm others? MJ: Every action could *potentially* harm others. Only ACTUAL harm to others should 'punished'. Frosty wrote: #3 or should only a select group have the right to endanger others? MJ: Define and provide examples of 'endanger'. Frosty wrote: Let me know before I post a list of people who are fined and imprisoned for endangering others and then I will ask why you are not defending them. MJ: Non sequitur Regard$, --MJ However big the fool, there is always a bigger fool to admire him. -- Nicolas Boileau-Despréaux DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] U$ gives the orders:UK stands up for Gen Manipulated crops
-Caveat Lector- India knows what happened when their cattle were crossed with cattle that were suppose to have more milk, ect. They had a breed that was heat resistant and worked well in their climate. Now they have ones that do not do as well and the (cattle) seed stock is so contaminated that (from what I heard) they have not been able to recover the original traits. So, now companies want to force them to accept this! I can not blame them, for not wanting to put up with ideas, that quite possibly will be of a lower technology then what nature has already given them. That is even before, you consider that those ideas could make it where there is no seed stock of a agricultural type to even try to go back to! Laura aka The Pied Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Religion, sex, drugs and mind control
-Caveat Lector- Think of it more in the nature of keeping the masses entertained. George Orwell's "1984" or Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" Could the Activist in the movie industry be - being intimidated too? Which magazines cover those people? Star, Enquirer so on. Has anyone noticed that many Pharmaceutical commercials are going to cartoons and not real people? Do the Actors and Actresses want to endorse some of those products and who is willing to endorse them and for how long? Who needs actors when you can photograph a person and use digital technology to keep the masses occupied? Those actors and also musicians might end up being role models... Who else makes a lot of money and / or is in the news that might speak against your agenda? The Monarchy, Pricess Di, ect? Think individuals - that we normally are interested in. Notice the propaganda? The grocery store mags. Every one has a picture of Clinton or Hillary or Monica -- along side the ones that we normally are interested in - Dick Van Dyke, Mick Jagger - the list goes on and this has been happening since for a long time, they managed to get into many isssues that also covered Princess Di (when she was alive). Would these people normally want to be on the same cover with them? Do you think of Clinton or Hillary or Monica at the same moral level as some one that you are normally interested in -- ASSOCIATION. Laura aka The Pied Piper Kris Millegan wrote: Subject: Religion, sex, drugs and mind control Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 02:14:34 + From: Carrie Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: International Coalition for Separation of Religion and State To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tallyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Operation: WATCHTOWER From: Tallyman Organization: KultKrimeFighters(tm) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:22:07 -0500 Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol,alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.misc,alt.ANYBO DY! Still trying to find out any and all information possible about a US Govt? Mind Control program deemed -- "Operation: WATCHTOWER" same news reporter tells me that Mrs. Smith indicated to him that she has documents hidden away that give what she believes is the real reason for Smith's death. He further stated that these documents will appear, if and when, an official public investigation takes place. It is the reporters understanding that the documents has something to do with CIA and Green Beret personnel smuggling drugs. This reporter backed off the story because he was afraid for his life. A friend of mine, David Thompson had developed a strong interest in the Colombian Cocaine cartel and Palo Escobar while living on his coffee exporting company in Colombia. When he returned to the U.S., he did extensive research to follow up on some of the things he learned while living in Medallin, and made several trips back and forth between San Francisco and Colombia. In 1991, he persuaded Rolling Stone to pay his expenses to go to Colombia to get an interview with Pablo Escobar, but the closest he could get was an interview with Escobar's chief attorney, Guido Parra Montoya (who has since been murdered with his son). When David returned, Rolling Stone cancelled out on David to cover Desert Storm, so I published his interview in in Mind Matters Review. He eventually got an interview with Escobar after he was captured, but he got distracted from that by a deal with Conflict Magazine, supposed published by Rand Corporation and a French publisher for a book and an article. He did get that article published on the cartels in Colombia. On another trip to do a follow-up article and to finish his book, one evening he received a phone call from someone who offered the key bit of information he needed to finish his book. He was told to meet the man some place in Medallin that night. After a few hours, he returned home, stumbling and mumbling and went right to bed. He didn't wake up the next day and was taken to the hospital in a coma. The doctors who examined him suspected poison. When he was brought back to California in a coma, his medical records were lost. After his girl friend in Venice, California received threatening phone calls from the Colombian Secret Police, she started telling everyone who knew David that he drank himself to death that night when he went out to meet the man who offered information in Medallin. In David's interview with Guido Parra Montoya, Parra stated, "If you analyze it very precisely, you might come to the conclusin that drugs could become an instrument of the New Cold War." That seemed to fit in with experiences that I have had with an even more bizarre twist of the use of drugs for mind
[CTRL] Smog and Health
-Caveat Lector- Intresting article http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/smog990205.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- J2, Do you really mean what you posted or are you a victim of MK ULTRA? FLW I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in Greece when the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist state. Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the less. What you have here is nothing like the fear that people conducted their lives under. These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys ( Libertarians and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There are groups in this country which face a fascist government daily in their lives. You middle class white guys with computers are not among them yet. Do you think Randy Weaver owened a computer Obviously, J2 is the victim of mass brainwashing techniquesWe live in the USSA (united states of search and seizures) Fascism is the blend of gov. and big businessJ2's thoughts sadley enough represent most of the sheep in this country...we must encourage him to think...(a new concept for most people) J2 let me ask you a question "How many people do you know who have been murdered, died in plane crashes, or comitted suicide?" The Clintons know 85 such people...What are the math. odds of that I wonder...ANYONE??? Sincerely Barley Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license for a gun is not fascism even if Hitler did it too. Joshua2 Let me tell you something J2. How do you know I am a "middle class white guy?" You know nothing about my life history. I am tired of smug, trendy, leftist stereotypes. Do you want to know my defining moment? A few years ago, while watching CNN I witnessed American tanks smashing, burning, gassing American children, women, men live on T.V. I watched with my mouth open and heart pounding. At that moment I was ashamed to be a veteran. I was ashamed to be an American. Shortly after, the corporate media and our esteemed "leaders"basically applauded this mini holocaust. The Attorney General of the United States, the nation's chief law enforcement officer, proudly took credit for this mass murder. The American People (including the "compassionate" leftists) shrugged it off and the general comment was "they got what they deserved." Fascism had surely arrived. And it was applauded. flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [freedomfight] Fwd: [CTRL] Fwd: Religion, sex, drugs and mind contro
can anyone help this fella? Where can I get this tape from this Carrie Drake person? Does anyone know her email address? - Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: February 5, 1999 1:25 PM Subject: [freedomfight] Fwd: [CTRL] Fwd: Religion, sex, drugs and mind control After having read "the eleventh plague" by leonard cole. and "the search for the manchurian candidate" by john marks, i m thinking there really is something to this liz NextCard - the First, True Internet VISA: Get online account info, transfer balances and rates as low as 2.9% APR with no annual fee! Learn more at: http://offers.egroups.com/click/203/0 eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/freedomfight Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com
[CTRL] Fwd: GENL: Regarding The Golden Eagle tax return
-Caveat Lector- If this is true forget about trading, taking tax cuts for business. Flat tax, now I know why they want that idea in there! Everything will have to be done electronically. Tax breaks that everyone knows about , Carrots (tax breaks) that people use to tell them what is important, what is needed by this country. Tax write-offs ... Only for the few, wonder if some would even pay taxes. Could be your company sends the taxes electronically from each pay check. Every thing is paid for electronically and if you are to be fired that the companies (mortgage) et are ready to foreclose on you before you even get your pink slip? Wonder who the drug traders actually are - they had a big crack down on food stamps because they were supposedly used to trade for drugs. Was it just a way of putting them on electronic delivery? Were the food stamp drug dealers actually - CIA or another one of the government soup agencies? Who flies those Air Force Jets that are making the contrails? The Air Force? - now I wonder! READ ON and hold your nose - this stinks to high heaven if true! Laura aka The Pied Piper FORWARDED* F. Michael Zimmerman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 They'll be back! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 5.5.3a Comment: Why not lie to the government? It lies to you. iQA/AwUBNrhnChdRZ3obAc40EQLTVACggEaqf+d9PjCxSMaXFF/fzvTi8oQAoKuO ogZRBB+VF/DeukZdBmmJovIa =SItk -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Forwarded message -- From: "ScanThisNews" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "ScanThisNews Recipients List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:41:06 -0600 Subject: [FP] Regarding The "Golden Eagle" tax return Message-ID: 000e01be48c4$8fd5dca0$444d40d1@scottmcd Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mx4.boston.juno.com (mx4.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.53]) by x15.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id X14718 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from inferno.serversystems.net (inferno.serversystems.net [207.15.209.253]) by mx4.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id X07768; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by inferno.serversystems.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA06996 for scan-list.efga; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:59:19 -0500 Received: from alpha.airnet.net (page.airnet.net [207.120.51.2]) by inferno.serversystems.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA06991; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:59:13 -0500 Received: from scottmcd (209.64.77.68) by alpha.airnet.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 25 Jan 1999 18:36:58 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit == SCAN THIS NEWS 1/25/99 Regarding the SCAN post about Golden Eagle tax returns, please see the following comment submitted by a reader. This project was a flop. The IS director of the IRS resigned over it. There were congressional investigations over the IRS spending $8 Billion and having nothing to show for it. Reported in ComputerWorld and the WSJ. You might want to do some further research before you quote old stories. -Alan While the budget for updating the IRS's computer system was cut, I am confident that the agency has not abandoned the concept of paperless tax returns. Notwithstanding the budget cut, the IRS's Document Processing System manager stated in 1995 that their system already had the capability to collect "all" the information they needed to make tax assessments on an individuals and to impose a tax without input from the "taxpayer." Coleta Brueck stated (in the present tense at the time): "We know everything about you that we need to know. Your employer tells us everything about you that we need to know. Your activity records on your credit cards tell us everything about you that we need to know. Through interface with Social Security, with the DMV, with your banking institutions, we really have a lot of information..." The data collection system that the IRS was in the process of installing, which was de-funded, would have given them the additional ability to collect and consolidate information from such sources as: "credit reports, news stories, tips from informants, commercial databases, and real-estate, motor-vehicle and child-support records." This portion of the upgrade was presumably halted. There can be no doubt that the federal government intends to keep marching down the path towards total electronic commerce - which will include all tax-related functions. Eventually, all government transactions will be conducted electronically. The federal government is almost there already. This can be easily confirmed with a little research. As recently as
[CTRL] U.S. Marines, Defeated in SF, Turn to Oakland (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- U.S. Marines, Defeated in SF, Turn to Oakland OAKLAND, Calif. (Reuters) - Faced with a mock invasion by the U.S. Marine Corps, the city of San Francisco drew the line. Too much mud, too many boots, too noisy no thanks. Oakland, San Francisco's neighbor to the east, proved not nearly as stand-offish, however, and has opened its doors to ''Operation Urban Warrior,'' a major land exercise next month designed to train U.S. soldiers in modern fighting techniques and disaster relief strategies. ``Combat operations in the exercise will be controlled and are limited in scope,'' the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory said in a news release on Thursday announcing the deal. ``These operations are designed to prepare Marines for the type of conflict they will encounter in foreign commitments in the early 21st Century.'' San Francisco's brief fling with the idea of a Marine invasion was cut short last month by officials at the city's famed Presidio park, who feared that hundreds of troops swarming ashore with Humvees, assault vehicles and trucks could damage the coastal environment. While military officials assured the city that the four day exercise which was to have involved five ships, 6,000 sailors and Marines, and four days of simulated combat using helicopters and F-18 bombers, tens of thousands of blank rounds of small-arms fire, and simulated explosions wouldn't be too much of a distraction, San Francisco decided that maybe it was better off uninvaded. That decision put some noses out of joint. Some critics said snooty San Francisco was being too politically correct for its own good. ``The great diversity hub, which doesn't mind being invaded by thong-wearing Rollerbladers in veils during the 114 annual Indigenous Peoples Day Parades, is saying that camouflage is not welcome at least when it's worn by real soldiers,'' sniffed Ken Garcia, a local columnist. Across the bay in Oakland and its smaller neighbor Alameda, officials saw an opportunity. ``If San Francisco didn't want it, we're happy to accommodate,'' said Stacey Wells, press secretary to Oakland Mayor Jerry Brown. ``Oakland has a long history of commitment to the military with all of its bases, and this is really just a continuation of that.'' Under the revised plan, Operation Urban Warrior will take place between March 15-18 involving approximately 700 Marines. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The 'responsibility era' - Texas Gov. George W. Bush talks:
-Caveat Lector- Howard R. Davis III wrote: -Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: NATIONAL The 'responsibility era' Undeclared GOP presidential frontrunner, Texas Gov. George Bush, talks about his cultural plan of attack By Cal Thomas He fears an economic slowdown because of the Federal Reserve's "stretching fiscal policy by lowering [interest] rates to the point where there may not be enough incentive for consumption." Does this make sense to anyone? It seems to me that if the Fed lowers interest rates there is more money in the economy and thus more incentive for consumption. Anybody disagree with that? Howard Davis Yes, here's why 40 central banks all over the world hve lowered interst rates and begun to reinflate since Oct. Reinflation is depreciation of money by running the printing presses(25% increase in MZM money supply by the FED.) It is a policy undertaken by gov. and central banks to ward off deflation, debt paralysis, electoral defeat and bear markets. There is a problem however, once major deflation gets going, lowering interest rates and pumping up the money supply doesn't always work. For instance-Japan has had low interest rates for years and it hasn't helped. From mid-sept. to mid-dec., Japan expanded its money supply at an incredible 78.7% annual rate and it did virtually nothing to stop deflation (or start inflation) or to jump-start the economy. Low interest rates don't stop a depression as we found out in the 30s and Japan has learned. They don't stop deflation or solve the excess capacity problem, and they don't make overextended lenders lend more. The creation of several hundred billion dollars (or more) of new liquidity by the FED cannot prop up a 125 trillion dollar debt pyramid-at least not for much longer. Does that help or not? Barley DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NZ to Issue Commemorative Plastic Millennium Bank Note (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- A Commemorative Millennium Bank Note WELLINGTON, Feb 5 (Reuters) - The Reserve Bank of New Zealand (RBNZ) said on Friday it would issue a special NZ$10 bank note later this year to commemorate the new millennium. ``We will be releasing up to three million millennium bank notes into general circulation, so that members of the public can keep these notes as millennium souvenirs,'' Brian Lang, the chief manager of the bank's currency department, said in a statement. Special collector's packs would also be available, he added. ``The millennium bank note will be printed on the same flexible plastic that is soon to be used for all New Zealand bank notes,'' Lang said. The bank note will incorporate new technology security features, which are to be tested for future use with other plastic bank notes. For security reasons, the final design of the bank note would not be released until shortly before it was issued, Lang said. The note was designed by Wellington-based graphic design company Cue Design Ltd. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bid to Make Diana's Face a Trademark Turned Down
-Caveat Lector- Bid to Make Diana's Face a Trademark Turned Down LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Patent Office has rejected attempts by Princess Diana's estate and memorial fund to turn her face into a trademark, a spokesman said Friday. The decision appeared to have quashed the fund's hopes of stopping makers of mugs, coins, dolls and T-shirts from cashing in on the enormous appeal of Diana since her death in a 1997 Paris car crash. ``The Diana image trademark application was refused,'' said Geoff Sargant, the Patent Office spokesman. ``This means the estate and memorial fund do not have a monopoly on the use of those images.'' Sargant said the office turned down the application because it decided Diana's image was not a product's ``badge of origin'' and had never been used as a trademark while she was alive. He said the Diana Memorial Fund had submitted 52 color and black and white photographs of the late princess as part of the application. A spokeswoman for the memorial fund said any decision to appeal would be made by the executors of Diana's estate. A spokesman for the estate declined to comment. The fund and estate now have until March 3 to appeal against the decision to the High Court in London. The fund's trustees have said they want to raise money for charities Diana championed by licensing images of the late princess' face on a wide range of souvenirs. But the fund itself attracted criticism last year when it branched out into merchandising deals which lent Diana's face, signature and official logo to products such as a low fat spread and an instant lottery ticket. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bug Removal
-Caveat Lector- I am trying to catalog some of my lists of newsletters so I don't post the wrong stuff in the wrong letter and to pass the newsletter information to others who might have an interest. o open form c comments allowed are selected by letter owner r restricted topics v view only (no response from the readers) Please fill in or revise my errors o c r v [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || mind control? [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]|c| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || guns [EMAIL PROTECTED] || GUN OWNER [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| guns [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || mind control? [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || politics? [EMAIL PROTECTED] |v| comments about their web site [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| [EMAIL PROTECTED]|o| politics [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| news information [EMAIL PROTECTED] |o| politics REALITY [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] |o| politics [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] || If the public is welcome to recieve your letter how do they sign up? This information will allow myself and others to find the kind of info they are looking for with out bugging newsletter owners with our junk mail. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-05 04:37:17 EST, you write: It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu injection. The jab actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to help build up your immune system. Richard B. They tell you you MAY get a mild case, but that it would be much less than if you got the actual flu. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News Friday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990205c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Nations review population strategy. AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - With the world's population projected to hit 6 billion this year, a weeklong U.N. population forum has taken on a new sense of urgency. Delegates from 180 countries are gathering in The Hague to take a hard look at futures. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558329965-8ef : How many people are enough? How many are too many? Will overpopulation be the impetus for global colonization, or just a smothering blanket? Can we survive ourselves? Will we feed on ourselves? What have you done here? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Iran carnival features U.S. touch. TEHRAN (AP) A fair celebrating the Iranian Islamic revolution for the first time featured U.S. cartoon char- acters, dancing and music - a sign of how much the gov't has relaxed limits on music and dance. Actors dressed as Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny and a variety of animals sang and danced in a procession of more than a dozen floats that circled Enghelab (Revolution) Square, entertaining a crowd of more than 5000 people. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558332000-7f4 : Does your religion sanction foreign cartoon characters? Are you flexible? Was that an embarrassingly small crowd for a national independence festival? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Students Find Science Behind Folk Medicine. Field studies in the Amazon rain forest by chemical ecology students and published in the first issue of the first journal of its kind are beginning to answer some long-standing questions: Will lichen tea cure urinary tract infection or even gonorrhea? Can a bird's choice of nest-building materials boost its immune system? Why do some Indians prefer the honey of stingless bees over honey from killer bees? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990129073825.htm : Should/can all folk medicines be analyzed for efficacy? What doesn't work? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # From The Mind Of Monkeys: New Clues To The Evolution Of The Human Brain. A researcher has found the place in the brain where we stockpile short-term data on spatial relationships. It's not where everyone thought it would be, providing new evidence about the evolution of the brain from primates to humans. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990127102338.htm : Has your brain evolved from its prosimian beginnings? Is that a bother? Would you rather think like a human, an ape, an alien, a robot, a spirit? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Geologist Decries Using Engineering Models To Predict Natural Phenomena. Using mathematical models to predict natural processes - such as how well a sandy beach can weather randomly occurring storm buffeting - is a common- place but wrongheaded engineering practice that can cause real harm, says a Duke University geologist who studies such coastal dynamics. Insufficient accuracy - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990127081231.htm : Should we throw away models or build better ones or depend on Reptilioids? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Technology Historian Takes Students To "Eighth Wonder Of The World:" Las Vegas. A historian of technology who has studied the automobile, Silicon Valley and the military-industrial complex has now turned his attention to what he calls the "Eighth Wonder of the Modern World:" Las Vegas. And he's scheduled a field trip for his students. Students of probability can come too - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990126143717.htm : How many Wonders Of The World have you visited? Is Vegas the best? Which laserlight show do you like most? Where is the world's best architecture? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Can Stopping AIDS Treatment Work? CHICAGO (AP) The tentative results of a small human experiment offer a glimmer of possibility that the body's own defense system can be trained to suppress the AIDS virus. Drug-free regimen, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558329758-763 *** : What diseases are best treated with no treatment? What do survivors say? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 5 Feb 99 Washington, DC 2. SPACE STATION? "TECHNICAL PROBLEMS" WITH RUSSIAN MODULE. It's barely February and WN's bold prediction of further delays in the ISS can already be scored as a hit (WN 1 Jan 99). Launch of the much delayed service module, which until now has suffered mostly from money problems (WN 9 Oct 98), is now postponed until at least September. That will take it perilously close the time when the first two modules will need a re-boost (WN 9 Oct 99). Rep. James Sensenbrenner launched a rocket of his own at NASA for ignoring the recommendation of the Chabrow Task Force that the U.S. must sever dependence on Russia's failing space program to keep the ISS on schedule (WN 1 May 98). Sensenbrenner quotes the State
Re: [CTRL] Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 12:20 AM Subject: Re: Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up -Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/1/99 9:42:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: THE Israeli Prime Minister caused uproar yesterday with his election slogan, "a strong leader for a strong people", which critics said echoed Nazi and fascist propaganda. Avraham Burg, chairman of the Jewish Agency and a candidate for the Opposition Labour Party, appealed to Binyamin Netanyahu to drop the slogan. He said it reminded many people of the Nazi party slogan and insulted Holocaust survivors and their families. "The sound of 'a strong leader, a strong people' is coming directly from the conceptual framework of the Third Reich of 50 to 60 years ago," he said. There's an old saw that "We become what we hate," and it's been pretty obvious that Israel demonstrates its truth very well. Prudy This is just political rhetoric.Vladimir Jabotinsky said the same thing before Hitler ever came to power. The same thing happened here between the Hawks and the Doves during the Vietnam era. The parties are delineating there political positions for the election. Don't be in such a rush to compare Jews to Nazis. There's still a long way for Jews to go before they reach that level. This should not be construed as a defense of Netanyahu. Just a clarification. Joshua2 I don't believe in comparing "Jews" to Nazis. Or comparing "Non Jews" to Nazis. I do believe in comparing Fascists to Fascists however. flw. Me too. I was responding to Prudy's observation.--J2-- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Joshua #18 (Hillary says it is Gods law to kill babies)
All the back issues can be found at the "THE JOSHUA FILES" web page: http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ Vol I THE JOSHUA REPORT No. #18 "It is God's law to KILL babies!" - Hillary Clinton PART 3b of 4 HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON... UNELECTED Official, CIA APPOINTEE ...or AMERICA'S LESBIAN QUEEN? [REORGANIZING THE WHITE HOUSE...or REDEFINING FAMILIES and MORALITY] "HILLARY, the lawyer (her profession alone speaks volues), literally wears the pants in the family. Talk about craving control and anger! Here we have it in spades! So here we have a polarity shift, a sex role reversal. When CHELSEA CLINTON was sick in school and wanted to take an aspirin, the school nurse required Chelsea to call her parents to get permission. Chelsea called her FATHER, not her mother. [1] "A lone psychopath is dangerous [A PSYCHOPATHIC MOB BOSS running our country - now, THERE'S a pretty picture! Lord help us all!], but a cooperating network of like-minded psychopaths who follow the lead of an even greater psychopath can be terrible beyond measure..." [2] Could this be too strong an assessment of our FIRST "LADY"? Let's take a closer look at this supposedly-devout Methodist. "...LURLEEN STACKHOUSE...approached PRESIDENT and MRS. CLINTON at the pre-inaugural prayer service held at the AMEC church in Washington, D.C. on Inauguration Day: 'When the service concluded, we were asked to stay seated until the PRESIDENT and MRS. CLINTON departed for the White House. However, as they walked down the aisle I stood and reached out for MR. CLINTON. 'Mr. Clinton, America must stop killing babies.' He looked at me with a blank stare on his face. I repeated this statement to him. 'HILLARY (not hearing my comment) then came to give me a hug and I said (in a voice only audible to her), 'Hillary, it's against God's law to kill babies.' She stepped back, shaking and trembling, and then grabbed my arm. Her countenance transformed from a pleasant demeanor to the appearance of being possessed. Her eyes were enraged as she replied ,'It IS God's law to KILL babies!' 'I drew back in shock at this blatant and revealing statement. I fully expected her to say, 'It is God's law for women to have a CHOICE,' or other pro-death rhetoric. But no, she was bold and blatant. I would not have believed it if I had not heard it with my own ears. I walked out with GENERAL COLIN POWELL. As the CLINTONS got into their limousine, I approached the car. Through the glass I continued to plead with MR. CLINTON to stop killing babies. Again, he had a troubled stare...' " [3] "LARRY PATTERSON, publisher of the hard-hitting - and highly recommended - magazine, "CRIMINAL POLITICS," discussed the absolute control HILLARY has had over presidential appointments: 'According to [the] generally reliable "WASHINGTON TIMES," the three armed service secretaries have not yet been appointed, because all candidates MUST BE REVIEWED BY HILLARY CLINTON!! As of February 16, only SHEILA WIDNALL has been selected by HILLARY CLINTON as Secretary of the White House. She would become the first woman to head any branch of the Military Service.' [4] "Patterson also intimated that the White House personnel director, BRUCE LINDSEY, had no control over sub-cabinet and other senior slots. 'LINDSEY,' said Patterson: '...gets his instructions from a mysterious New York lawyer by the name of SUSAN THOMASES (whom we believe is a contractor to HENRY KISSINGER). Therefore, HILLARY CLINTON and SUSAN THOMASES ARE GOING TO BE IN CONTROL of the appointment process...' " [5] "The psychopath can appear normal and traditional, yet internally, be simmering with uncontrollable urges and passions. The true female psychopath, who is, for example, a lesbian, may well tend to keep the facts of her perverted sexual orientation hidden and in the closet. "During the huge, gay activist 'MARCH ON WASHINGTON' in the Spring of 1993, a lesbian leader stood on the main platform before an audience of untold thousands of other lesbians and homosexuals and joyfully divulged this repulsive bit of information: 'I'm going to tell you a secret,' she said. 'HILLARY CLINTON has had a lesbian affair. At last we have a FIRST 'LADY' in the White House that we can f---' [6] "Was this woman lying? Sadly for America, though this lesbian leader's allegation was detailed during the RUSH LIMBAUGH TV program, and even though the entire city of Washington, D.C. was abuzz with people talking about it, HILLARY CLINTON HAS NEVER ISSUED A FLAT DENIAL... "...this was not the first time that stories of HILLARY's sexual orientation have been published. JACK WHEELER, for example, a respected investment advisor and political commentator, wrote in his...newsletter: 'My sources indicate that HILLARY CLINTON is bisexual and fools around more than her
Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- J2, Do you really mean what you posted or are you a victim of MK ULTRA? FLW I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in Greece when the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist state. Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the less. What you have here is nothing like the fear that people conducted their lives under. These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys ( Libertarians and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There are groups in this country which face a fascist government daily in their lives. You middle class white guys with computers are not among them yet. Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license for a gun is not fascism even if Hitler did it too. Joshua2 Let me tell you something J2. How do you know I am a "middle class white guy?" I don't know. Am I wrong? You know nothing about my life history. I am tired of smug, trendy, leftist stereotypes. Do you want to know my defining moment? A few years ago, while watching CNN I witnessed American tanks smashing, burning, gassing American children, women, men live on T.V. And so did I watch the same thing. Those " fringe " groups on the Left and the Right are the ones I am talking about who face fascism. Not 95% of the folks on this list jumping out of their skins about fascism which hardly exists for them. I watched with my mouth open and heart pounding. At that moment I was ashamed to be a veteran. I was ashamed to be an American. Really? What the hell took you so long? You are too smart to think that this is the first atrocity that America has perpetrated on its own people. I won't even mention what it did to others. Shortly after, the corporate media and our esteemed "leaders"basically applauded this mini holocaust. The Attorney General of the United States, the nation's chief law enforcement officer, proudly took credit for this mass murder. The American People (including the "compassionate" leftists) shrugged it off and the general comment was "they got what they deserved." That's right! And those Leftists are assholes. I remember when it was the Left catching bullets from the same fascist institutions and the Right thought THEY had it coming." Move "in Philadelphia was almost identical to Waco in its execution and outcome. Were you ashamed to be an American then too? Fascism had surely arrived. And it was applauded. flw I am not talking in absolute terms here. It's a matter of degree. For some groups it's hot, and for others there is much more flash than heat. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-05 09:20:37 EST, you write: J2, Do you really mean what you posted or are you a victim of MK ULTRA? FLW I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in Greece when the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist state. Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the less. What you have here is nothing like the fear that people conducted their lives under. These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys ( Libertarians and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There are groups in this country which face a fascist government daily in their lives. You middle class white guys with computers are not among them yet. Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license for a gun is not fascism even if Hitler did it too. Joshua2 Let me tell you something J2. How do you know I am a "middle class white guy?" You know nothing about my life history. I am tired of smug, trendy, leftist stereotypes. Do you want to know my defining moment? A few years ago, while watching CNN I witnessed American tanks smashing, burning, gassing American children, women, men live on T.V. I watched with my mouth open and heart pounding. At that moment I was ashamed to be a veteran. I was ashamed to be an American. Shortly after, the corporate media and our esteemed "leaders"basically applauded this mini holocaust. The Attorney General of the United States, the nation's chief law enforcement officer, proudly took credit for this mass murder. The American People (including the "compassionate" leftists) shrugged it off and the general comment was "they got what they deserved." Fascism had surely arrived. And it was applauded. flw Once again, flw is right on the money. Gavin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Reno: U.S. officials must match wits with the bad guys!]
So now if you store food you are a right wing extremist? Barley hm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carolyn Hart) Subject: [piml] FBI Director Freeh Warns of Millennium Violence Thursday February 4 3:26 PM ET FBI Director Freeh Warns Of Millennium Violence By Patricia Wilson WASHINGTON (Reuters) - FBI Director Louis Freeh warned Thursday that right-wing extremists, religious cults or apocalyptic groups could turn to violence to fulfill their prophecies of Armageddon as the year 2000 approaches. At a congressional hearing on counter-terrorism, Freeh cited ``rogue terrorists'' such as Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden -- blamed by Washington for the bombing of two American embassies in East Africa last year -- as probably the most urgent risk to U.S. interests. But he said the domestic threat could not be ignored, especially as the millennium approached. ``The possibility of an indigenous group like Aum Supreme Truth cannot be excluded,'' he said, referring to the cult responsible for a nerve gas attack in the Tokyo subway system in March, 1995. ``With the coming of the next millennium, some religious/apocalyptic groups or individuals may turn to violence as they seek to achieve dramatic effects to fulfill their prophecies,'' he said. Freeh expressed dismay at a ``pattern of racist elements'' seeping into the U.S. militia movement most of which, he said, had no racial overtones and did not espouse bigotry. But he discussed at length ``a disturbing trend'' toward the pseudo-religion of Christian Identity -- and other hate philosophies -- that provided both a religious base for racism and anti-Semitism as well as an ideological rationale for violence against minorities. ``Many white supremacist groups adhere to the Christian Identity belief system, which holds that the world is on the verge of a final apocalyptic struggle ... and teaches that the white race is the chosen race of God,'' he said. Many of those who believe in this credo are engaged in survivalist and paramilitary training, storing foodstuffs and supplies and caching weapons and ammunition. Freeh said that as 1999 came to a close, Identity's more extreme members could prepare for Armageddon by carrying out armed robberies to finance the upcoming battle, destroying government property and targeting Jews and non-whites. The FBI had ``little credible intelligence'' at this time indicating that terrorists, either domestic or international, were preparing to attack the United States, the director said. But he added that ``a growing number -- while still small -- of 'lone offender' and extremist splinter elements of right-wing groups have been identified as possessing or attempting to develop or use'' chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. Attorney General Janet Reno, who also appeared before the Senate Appropriations subcommittee, said a terrorist attack using a biological weapon might not be immediately apparent with far-reaching impact on victims and emergency personnel. ``In fact, we have found recently the mere threat of the use of unconventional weapons can cause concern and panic. Threats to release harmful biological or chemical substances cannot be ignored,'' she said. Freeh said the FBI dealt with an ``anthrax warning letter'' somewhere in the country almost every day. U.S. officials had to be able ``to match wits with the bad guys,'' Reno said. She appealed to the Senate panel to approve funds for a National Domestic Preparedness Office to be led by the FBI to provide coordination and a single point of contact for state and local communities. http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36ba3cd55fec.htm
[CTRL] Updates: Hoffman, Goad
-Caveat Lector- from: The Konformist Index 04 February 1999 Updates: Hoffman, Goad Adam Parfrey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ** From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Updates: Hoffman, Goad The Feral House book, The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror, hit the news last week when its author, David Hoffman, was indicted for jury tampering, a crime punishable by a two-year jail sentence. The crime? Sending each of the Grand Jurors investigating the Oklahoma City bombing a copy of his book. Strange, isn't it -- the only individual indicted by the Grand Jury investigating the OK bomb was the man who passionately believes the truth is being suppressed! The Grand Jury came about when tens of thousands of Oklahomans signed petitions to create an entity that would investigate aspects of the bombing dismissed, forgotten or covered up by the Dept. of Justice. Hoffman's book reads in part like what a Grand Jury investigation should resemble, in which witnesses and possible criminals are obligated to answer tough and sensibile questions. The actual videotape of the bombing, which would clearly reveal the culprits, was never shown or released. Hoffman's FOIA request for a copy of the bombing videotape still remains unaswered. Among many other questions, Hoffman asked aloud why neo-Nazi acquaintances of Timothy McVeigh from the Elohim City complex, quoted by federal informant Carol Howe of planning to bomb a federal building weeks before the actual blast, were never questioned or arrested Of course, the questions above are supposed to be answered by the Grand Jury, an entity that both the Justice Department and Oklahoma governor Keating tried to suppress, but were overruled by an Appellate Court ruling. Unable to prevent the formation of a Grand Jury, Keating was still able to have his way by appointing Bob Macy - a D.A. who denounced a Grand Jury as a "worthless waste of time"- as judge in charge. Accused by many of intimidating witnesses, and failing to subpeona important witnesses, as well as providing jurors with false and misleading information, Macy saw to it that the only individual indicted by his prophetically worthless Grand Jury was David Hoffman, who described Macy in his book as being an unprincipled careerist, yes-man, and blithering idiot. Judges who disallow crucial testimony, crime labs that fabricate evidence, and a neo-Nazi who looks almost precisely like the forgotten fiend known as John Doe #2 are of no interest to the Oklahoma Grand Jury and D.A. Bob Macy. About Jim Goad: He pleaded to two felonies and a misdameanor, and will be in the clink until October, 2000. It didn't go to trial, so we don't know how his writings would have been used against him. Adam Parfrey, Feral House http://www.feralhouse.com - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Bush's man Richard Clarke now Clinton's 'anti-terrorism' czar
From: Michael Novick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't they remember what happened to the original czars?--MN New York Times February 1, 1999 The Man Who Protects America From Terrorism By TIM WEINER WASHINGTON -- Richard Clarke is the White House terrorism czar. His stock in trade is the stuff of techno-thrillers -- biological bombs in the Wall Street subway, chemical clouds of death in the Pentagon parking lot, cyberwar attacks crippling the nation's computers. Pale as skim milk, his once-red hair gone white at 48, he works long days and nights in Oliver North's old office at the National Security Council, keeping a profile so low that almost no one outside his top-secret world knows he exists. As chairman of the government's chief counterterrorism group for the past seven years, he has become what John le Carre calls an "intellocrat" -- a gray baron who seems to command nothing more than his desk, yet waves a wand and sends soldiers, guns, money and spies around the world. Clarke inspires ferocious loyalty from friends and fierce enmity from foes inside the government. He wins praise for getting things done in secret -- and criticism for exactly the same. At the National Security Council, where he landed in 1992 after losing his State Department job in a bitter battle over Israel's misuse of American military technology, he can operate without outside oversight so long as he has President Clinton's confidence. He has it. The president recently named him the nation's counterterrorism coordinator, a new and powerful post. He has to try to coordinate everything from the Pentagon and its evolving plans to defend the United States against terrorists down to local police and fire departments. Despite years of effort to pull it all together, this has never been accomplished. There is no 911 number for the nation. The mission of protecting Americans from attack, whether by states or rogue groups, is "almost the primary responsibility of the government," Clarke says. He is trying to raise the fear of terrorism in the United States to the right level -- higher, not too high -- as he girds the nation against the possibility of an assault from nerve gas, bacteria and viruses, and from what he calls "an electronic Pearl Harbor." He has to walk a fine line. "You want people to understand the peril without panicking," said Anthony Lake, his boss at the National Security Council from 1993 to 1996. Clarke has a reserved seat when Cabinet officers gather at the White House on national security issues. "My name is on the table next to Madeleine Albright and Bill Cohen," the secretaries of state and defense, Clarke said. His vote carries the weight of those cast by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the director of central intelligence. He helped drive the decision to fire cruise missiles at Afghanistan and Sudan in August, trying to strike at Osama bin Laden, overpowering dissenters at the State Department and the CIA. Now he is helping to steer secret operations aimed at capturing the Saudi exile, who is accused of bombing two American embassies. Clarke also has written at least four classified presidential directives on terrorism. They helped expand the government's counterterrorism cadres into the $11 billion-a-year enterprise he now coordinates, stifling some protests at the Justice Department and the Pentagon, which saw him as a competitor for money and power. In his office, where a small sign reads "Think Globally/Act Globally," he spoke passionately about the threat of cyberwar, invisible attacks on the nation's computers, a terror so insidious, so arcane he has trouble convincing corporate chieftains and political commissars it is real. But it is out there, somewhere, he says, even if he can't prove it. "There is a problem convincing people that there is a threat," he said. "There is disbelief and resistance. Most people don't understand. CEOs of big corporations don't even know what I'm talking about. They think I'm talking about a 14-year-old hacking into their Web sites. "I'm talking about people shutting down a city's electricity," he said, "shutting down 911 systems, shutting down telephone networks and transportation systems. You black out a city, people die. Black out lots of cities, lots of people die. It's as bad as being attacked by bombs. "An attack on American cyberspace is an attack on the United States, just as much as a landing on New Jersey," he said. "The notion that we could respond with military force against a cyber-attack has to be accepted." Why would anyone want to mount such an attack? "To extort us," he said. "To intimidate us. To get us to abandon our foreign policy -- 'Abandon Israel or else!' "Imagine a few years from now: A president goes forth and orders troops to move. The lights go out, the phones don't ring, the trains don't move. That's what we mean by an electronic Pearl Harbor." Enemies and allies alike say Clarke wins battles by working longer hours
[CTRL] Heinz Vinegar Hints
-Caveat Lector- Heinz® Vinegar Milk cows organically. Clean milking equipment with unperfumed dish detergent followed with a Heinz Vinegar rinse. Pipes, hoses, and bulk tank will come out squeaky clean without any odor, lowering the bacteria count. Kill bacteria in meats. Marinating meat in Heinz Vinegar kills bacteria and tenderizes the meat. Use one-quarter cup vinegar for a two to three pound roast, marinate overnight, then cook without draining or rinsing the meat. Add herbs to the vinega when marinating as desired. Dissolve warts. Mix one part Heinz Apple Cider Vinegar to one part glycerin into a lotion and apply daily to warts until they dissolve. Remove stubborn stains from furniture upholstery and clothes. Apply Heinz White Vinegar directly to the stain, then wash as directed by the manufacturer's instructions. Grow beautiful azaleas. Occasionally water plants with a mixture of two tablespoons Heinz White Vinegar to one quart water. Azaleas love acidic soil. Relieve arthritis. Before each meal, drink a glass of water containing two teaspoons Heinz Apple Cider Vinegar. Give this folk remedy at least three weeks to start working. Kill unwanted grass. Pour Heinz White Vinegar in crevices and between bricks. Remove corns. Make a poultice of one crumbled piece of bread soaked in one-quarter cup Heinz Vinegar. Let poultice sit for one-half hour, then apply to the corn and tape in place overnight. If corn does not peel off by morning, reapply the poultice for several consecutive nights. Clean the hoses and unclog soap scum from a washing machine. Once a month pour one cup of Heinz White Vinegar into the washing machine and run the machine through a normal cycle, without clothes. Cure an upset stomach. Drink two teaspoons Heinz Apple Cider Vinegar in one cup water to soothe an upset stomach. Kill germs on bathroom fixtures. Use one part Heinz Vinegar to one part water in a spray bottle. Spray the bathroom fixtures and floor, then wipe clean. Clean soap scum, mildew, and grime from bathtub, tile, and shower curtains. Simply wipe the surface with Heinz Vinegar and rinse with water. Deodorize the air. Heinz Vinegar is a natural air freshener when sprayed in a room. Relieve itching. Use a cotton ball to dab mosquito and other bug bites with Heinz Vinegar straight from the bottle. Clean lime deposits and calcium sludge from an automatic drip coffee maker. Once a month fill the reservoir with Heinz White Vinegar and run through the brew cycle. Rinse thoroughly with two cycles of cold water. Relieve a sore throat. Put two teaspoons of Heinz Vinegar in your humidifier. Soothe sunburn pain. Apply undiluted Heinz Vinegar to the burn. Clean food-stained pots and pans. Fill the pots and pans with Heinz White Vinegar and let stand for thirty minutes. Then rinse in hot, soapy water. Clean rust from tools, bolts, and spigots. Soak the rusted tool, bolt, or spigot in undiluted Heinz White Vinegar overnight. Turn a chicken bone into rubber. Soak a chicken bone in a glass of Heinz Vinegar for three days. It will bend like rubber. Prevent bright colored clothes from fading. Before putting the article in the washing machine, soak it in Heinz White Vinegar for ten minutes. Keep a garbage disposal clean and smelling fresh. Mix one cup of Heinz Vinegar in enough water to fill an ice cube tray, freeze the mixture, grind the cubes through the disposal, and flush with cold water. Clean a toilet bowl. Pour in one cup of Heinz White Vinegar, let it stand for five minutes, and flush. Prevent yeast infections. Douche with one tablespoon Heinz White Vinegar to one quart warm water to adjust the pH balance in the vagina. Clean dentures. Soak dentures overnight in Heinz White Vinegar, then brush away tartar with a toothbrush. Remove perspiration stains from clothes. Apply one part Heinz White Vinegar to four parts water, then rinse. Deodorize a room filled with cigarette smoke or paint fumes. Place a small bowl of Heinz White Vinegar in the room. Cure the hiccups. Mix one teaspoon Heinz Apple Cider Vinegar in one cup of warm water, and drink. Eliminate odors from used jars. Rinse peanut butter and mayonnaise jars with Heinz White Vinegar. Condition dry hair. Shampoo, then rinse hair with a mixture of one cup Heinz Apple Cider Vinegar and two cups water. Vinegar adds highlights to brunette hair, restores the acid mantel, and removes soap film and sebum oil. Clean mineral deposits from a steam iron. Fill the water tank with Heinz White Vinegar. Turn the iron to the steam setting and steam-iron a soft utility rag to clean the steam ports. Repeat the process with water, then thoroughly rinse out the inside of your iron. Remove light scorch marks from fabrics. Rub lightly with Heinz White Vinegar, then wipe with a clean cloth. Repel ants. Use a spray bottle or mister filled with a solution of equal parts Heinz Vinegar and water around door jambs, window sills, water pipes, and foundation
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Cohen again threatens privacy and freedom for security
From: "Greg Nojeim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Declan McCullagh'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cohen Again Threatens Privacy and Freedom for Security Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:33:25 -0500 In response to a question by Senator Sessions about weapons of mass destruction and domestic terrorism, Secretary Cohen at a hearing on 2/3/99 before the Senate Armed Services Committee again signaled that Americans may have to sacrifice privacy and freedom for security: He said, [snip] With respect to how do we deal with that, I talked about this before. We need greater intelligence and that means not only foreign gathered intelligence but here at home. That is going to put us on a collision course with rights of privacy. And it's something that democracies have got to come to grips with -- how much are we going to demand of our intelligence agencies and how much are we willing to give up in the way of intrusion into our lives? That is a trade off that is going to have to come and we have to yet really seriously debate the constitutional issues and whether or not we're willing to give up more freedom in order to have more security. That's a matter for another time. [snip] And at another time, it was Ben Franklin who said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "He who would sacrifice essential liberties for a temporary increase in security deserves neither." --Greg Nojeim -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ --
Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Feb 99, , kimberly wrote: The American People (including the "compassionate" leftists) shrugged it off and the general comment was "they got what they deserved." Fascism had surely arrived. And it was applauded. flw Now, exactly what makes you think it was the "leftists" who "applauded this. Seems to me it was the right-wing Conservatives who were most pleased that "justice" had been done and the "rule of law" had prevailed. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote: Wow this exactly describes what I am experiencing. I am on synthetic thyroid hormone but it is a small dose and seems to not be affecting it much. One's requirements usually increase with age...you should go back to your endocrinologist and have him or her run some update blood tests to determine your current requirements... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Welcome to the Fourth Reich
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- Mike Moxley wrote: -Caveat Lector- WELCOME TO THE FOURTH REICH by Michael J. Woodman We as a people have ignored and abhorred the truth of this century. We have forgotten the Third Reich so we are moving to the brink of the fourth Reich. Not in a reunified Germany, but here in America. In order to have a new world order, one must destroy the independence of a free people "for their own good." Today our government has begun the destruction of America as a free people. We are being forced to register long barrel fire arms in violation of the second amendment right to bear arms freely. They have bridled free speech, free worship and free assembly over the past 10 years. Now they bridle the free ownership of weapons of defense. First they register your weapons, then they come for them for "your own good and the safety of your children." I am not a member of the gun coalition, nor a member of the NRA, nor a member of any militia in any state. I am a defender of the constitution and the Bill of Rights. For I am also a student of history. We have passed laws in this land that would have done Stalin and Hitler proud. We have aborted human life and now assist people to "die with dignity" (suicide, or accurately: murder of self). We have legally stopped free speech, especially in the "Hate Crime" laws, which will be used against Christians like RICO has been used in regard to a scriptural stand on homosexuality, lesbianism and right to life. The skin heads are not real Nazis. They are only want-to-be's. The real Nazis sit in the White House and sign laws which they swore an oath not to sign. They sit in Congress subverting the constitutional obligations while writing laws forbidden by the constitution. They sit on the Supreme Court rewriting the constitution to fit their vision of America. They have created new rights such as abortion and uphold laws such as the Brady Bill. People will scream at this report because they fear their government of the people, for the people and by the people. They will say that I am wrong in my assessment. They will say that the Brady Bill will protect us from the criminals. I don't know of any criminal that legally purchased a gun. In order for the state to collect all the guns from the law-abiding, they must first know where the guns are. Therefore pass a national registration package so that the national, not the state, nor the individual, can control ownership of guns for defense even against the current Gestapo, i. e. AT. Both criminals and intolerant governments fear one thing: an armed populace. One of the first things Nazi Germany did to the people was to disarm them. If we do not turn this nation around from its present course, then one day articles like this one will be illegal. I am not some left-wing bomb thrower from the 60s, but a man who took an oath to defend this nation and its constitutional form of government from all enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC SUCH AS THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION. Today we have begun the decent towards the new world order of the fourth and final Reich. You can not have a strong citizenship and a new world order. It is impossible to build this order with Americans owning weapons in their homes. Wake Up America before some storm trooper bashes your front door down by mistake!?!? Wake Up America before some jack-booted ATF Masked man hauls you off in the middle of the night. Since this is a new system you can be certain that it is Y2K proof. Wake Up America before the rule the Department of Defense, Interior, Education, and Justice. Hate crime laws are unconstitutional. They violate free speech and separation of federal and states rights. They also violate the double jeopardy clause of the law. Wake Up America and turn back to true equal justice under the law. 90% of the Great Society and New Deal laws and systems need to be scrapped and not rellaced with more devious legal traps. It is time to take back America or kiss it goodbye forever more. - This is stupid rhetorical bullshit. If this clown is so concerned, he can leave the country like the German Jews left Hitler's Germany in the 30's. J2 Here is a few facts for J2..Registration and confiscation of pistols and rifles preceded the slaughter of 1,500,000 Christians in Turkey (1915-1917), the slaughter of 20,000,00 farmers and anti-Stalinists in Russia (1929-1953), the slaughter of 300,000 Christians in Uganda (1971-1979), the slaughter of 13,000,000 "non-Aryans" in Germany (1933-1945), the slaughter of 20,000,000 anti-Maoists in China (1949-1986),the slaughter of 1,000,000 Cambodians (1975-1979), and the slaughter of 100,000 Maya Indians in Guatemala (1960-1981) that comes to 55,900,000 who were not politically correct
Re: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Careful now-there is this matter of "Totem and Taboo in America" and maybe as a Millenium Project it will be renamed Bongo Bongo Land. I think you will have to try [EMAIL PROTECTED] to find a list to talk about what one is not supposed to talk about, ie "the dialectic of the dialectic". FWP. On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Jim Condit Jr. wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hey! Doesn't this post break the rules? I mean, it mentions that bad guy Zundel who's picking on half of the Ottawa parliament. His whole case is about that unmentionable area of historical inquiry? Did you all know that the anonymous Canadian Tribunal of Human Rights (HA!) ruled that for Zundel, truth was not a defense. Just trying to be helpful! Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franklin Wayne Poley Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd) -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:42:25 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] But you see, Jasiek, this is where I disagree with you and the whole "ZOG Busting" movement. As Pogo says, "The enemy is us". Zundel, Christie and people like them are "demagogues" which means they play on peoples' emotions to manipulate them. Or just think of the "Chicken Little" phenomenon. Even if the sky is falling do you think that sly old fox has a solution? I don't. Without Jew-bashing these ZOG Busters have almost nothing to say. My challenge to them always has been, "Then you tell me about a better society and maybe I'll buy into YOUR way instead of the ZOG way." Until then, long live ZOG! At least it is a system even if it has lots of flaws. The Christie Critters have NO SYSTEM. Zundel is a little boy who can get nowhere unless he makes a big noise. That is why he is suing half of the Ottawa Parliament. It doesn't have to do with freedom or free speech. That is just smoke and mirrors. This is where I also disagree with lists like CTRL which turf these people off. I have had hundreds of people come and go throgh lists I have moderated and not kicked one person off. Zundel kicked me off his list because he can't defend his position and he won't accept an invitation to come onto a list like this because he can't win in a free and open debate. But it's your life. If you fall for the Chicken Little ploy you will suffer the consequences. FWP. On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote: From: jasiek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote: From: jasiek [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have remember Franklin's words and A. Lincoln - then you can do something. Now in my country is blocked 155 highways and over 60% farmers push the government to create money with no interests and debts. I have many Polish friends Jasiek. In fact my brother-in-law was born in Poland. I had Polish professors in college like the psychiatrists Dabrowski and Weckowitz. So I know more about Poland than you think. Just make a conclusion of my point. If you don't get a conclusion, then you have join the NWO usury-banking system and after you'll accepted small bio-chip under your skin, because the government do NOT want loose no one who want to desipire into the bush. Finally you can run, but you can't hide anywhere. That is the future in American Nation very soon. Good luck and put some creme on your skin that electronic device will go more easy... Have nice fun... Don't get hyped up about what US tele-evangelists tell you (like Van Imp, Hagee etc.). They play "chicken little". They scare people so they will come into their fold where they can pick their pockets. So they come out with a lot of "mark of beast" crap. No US tele-evangelist that I know is anything but crap with legs. In its wisdom the CRTC in Canada proscribed these tele-evangelist frauds long ago. One of the biggest family of US moral degenerates goes by the name of Graham. Recognize it? Be cool. Use your head and it will all work out. FWP. === jasiek from toronto http://www.connection.com/~rysio Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be sure you're right, then go ahead. What is your plan, Jasiek? Are you sure it is right? FWP. On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, jasiek wrote:
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Eric Stewart wrote: And it would seem that flu shot ended up DESTROYING my immune system by destroying my thyroid, one of the most integral organs of the immune system... It would seem you have Acquired an Immune Deficiency. Exactly. I was initially diagnosed in early 1983, when 'AIDS' was just becoming big news...and the more I read up regarding hypothyroidism in general, and Hashimoto's thyroiditis in particular, the more I kept running across the term 'an acquired deficiency effecting the immune system'...the same terminology that was then cropping up regarding AIDS Hashimoto's is particularly bad, as it is the thyroid turning against itself, thinking it is a foreign invader to be destroyed, and so it sends out signals to trigger the leukocytes to attack the thyroid's own tissue as if the tissue was a virus... I've developed any number of allergies since then, again the thyroid triggering the immune system to react to an innocuous substance as if it were an infection... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 5 Feb 99, , kimberly wrote: The American People (including the "compassionate" leftists) shrugged it off and the general comment was "they got what they deserved." Fascism had surely arrived. And it was applauded. flw Sorry sno owl I didn't write thatI asked what the mathmatical probability was of knowing 85 dead people who had all died by suicide, murder, or plane crashes..Don't worry everyone makes mistakes ...just try harder next timeSincerely Barley Now, exactly what makes you think it was the "leftists" who "applauded this. Seems to me it was the right-wing Conservatives who were most pleased that "justice" had been done and the "rule of law" had prevailed. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-05 20:42:56 EST, you write: Hashimoto's is particularly bad, as it is the thyroid turning against itself, thinking it is a foreign invader to be destroyed, and so it sends out signals to trigger the leukocytes to attack the thyroid's own tissue as if the tissue was a virus... I've developed any number of allergies since then, again the thyroid triggering the immune system to react to an innocuous substance as if it were an infection... June June, Have you looked into herbals, etc., to help restore balance? I've heard of and experienced great benefits from such. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE]
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Robert Tatman wrote: June, I don't know if this was the practice when you got your shot, but when I got my flu shot a couple of months ago, I had to sign a sheet stating that I had been informed of the possible side effects of the vaccine. Yes, it *can* give you a full-blown case of the flu, although the odds of that happening are low; you were one of the cases where it *did* happen. This was more than 20 years ago... But every year, any place I'm working pushes flu shots on the employees, and without fail most of those who get the shots come down with very bad cases of the flu a short time later This happened where I was working last year...one of the strongest pushes for flu shots I'd ever seen, they had booths set up right outside the elevator landing, on the way to the cafeteria, where it was impossible to ignore...and they had this setup for any one desiring a 'walk up' shot, for one full week, with daily announcements via email and paper flyers for everyone to get their shots Everyone who sat around me got a shot...within a couple of weeks, all were not only sick, but VERY sick, for a VERY LONG TIME... I also got sick...probably because I was surrounded by all these sick people...but I wasn't any more ill than those who'd taken the shot... No, I still have seen no evidence for its effectiveness, not to warrant all the potential health risks it can cause... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Was Polio Vaccine Contaminated?
-Caveat Lector- Watch for this fast shuffle people. Could Clinton and Company have been setting it up that cases of AIDS were actually from the Polio vaccine - if not one had cued on to the fact of the Arkansas blood? Also "formalin" is another word for "Formaldehyde" (from what I understand), which I have links for on my site. Check out what Formaldehyde does to the human body, and they were injecting this. Does anyone have any more information about "formalin" and "formaldehyde?" http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Laura aka The Pied Piper -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Was Polio Vaccine Contaminated? -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.chronicillnet.org/online/bensweet.html THE POLIO VACCINE AND SIMIAN VIRUS 40 AFTER THIRTY YEARS - Prominent Polio Vaccine Researcher Confirms Suspicions About Monkey-Virus Contamination --- By T.J. Moriarty - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "This new virus represents the detection for the first time of a hitherto "non-detectable" simian virus of monkey renal cultures and raises the important question of the existence of other such viruses. All three types of Sabin's live polio virus vaccine were contaminated." "Even the people who received a killed polio virus vaccine could have been infected. Those papers we wrote were incorrect at the time, stating that formalin killed vaccines were free of simian SV40 virus. But the new information regarding the killed ones was never published." By then it was too late. ...competition between the Salk (killed) and Sabin (live) formulas. Despite common knowledge, both Salk and Sabin were definitely contaminated. The Salk vaccine had already garnered prestigious appeal as a "safe vaccine". ...the authors estimate somewhere between 10-30 million people of the 98 million injected were exposed to at least SV40. [ "Human Exposure to SV40 : Review and Comment" by Shah and Nathanson, Journal of Epidemiology, January 1976 ] ...current polio vaccines are still grown on African Green monkey tissues. "Is it only a coincidence that HIV infection manifested itself at the same time as the introduction of vaccines that are now known to have been contaminated with simian viruses?" [ "The Polio Vaccine and the Origin of AIDS" by Dr. R. Stricker, Medical Hypothesis, January 1994 ] "Who is minding the public health when the FDA allows drug companies to produce vaccines grown on animal tissue cultures and they don't even know if this practice is facilitating cross species transfer of animal viruses into man?" Over the past fifteen or more years, the immune system has been increasingly more challenged. Indefensible disorders such as AIDS and HIV as well as conditions like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and Persian Gulf War-Related Illnesses are the new epidemics of the Silicon Age. By comparison, the days of polio and small pox epidemics seem crudely forgiving when we consider that today's viral mutants repeatedly outsmart gains made in vaccine development. However, it seems the days of polio are still with us -- not in the form of acute viral outbreaks of fever and paralysis -- but in the "uncharted" data on the long-term effects from the simian (monkey) viral contaminated polio vaccines given to countless children and adults three decades ago. Even more, what other "undetectable" monkey viruses have been transmitted in the vaccine batches of late? These unanswered questions continue to resurface in today's research and still riddle retired scientist Ben Sweet. "No one really knows if there are any dangers, but no scientist can definitively say there aren't any, that is what's scary," says Sweet. As a senior research scientist for a major pharmaceutical company from 1959 to 1964, Dr. Sweet was one of those responsible for the research, development and field testing of the killed respiratory virus vaccine. Contaminated Polio Vaccines Scientific literature states that some polio vaccines given between 1955 and 1961 may have contained low-levels of live monkey viruses. As many as 26 of the simian contaminants were readily detected but still other viruses, like SV40 slipped past rigorous quality control testing procedures available at that time. The simian viruses were inadvertently introduced into the vaccine pool because the polio virus was grown in monkey (Rhesus, Patas, or Cynomolgus) kidney cells. In his 1960 paper, "The Vacuolating Virus : SV40" Sweet and co-author M.R. Hilleman write, "This new virus represents the
