[CTRL] Project FBI Paranoia - Keywords: FBI, PROJECT MEGGIDO, PROFILING

1999-11-26 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
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Project FBI Paranoia

Government Announcement Keywords: FBI, PROJECT MEGGIDO, PROFILING
Source: Mellissa Hill
Published: 11/14/99 Author: Mellissa Hill
Posted on 11/15/1999 13:14:29 PST by The Documentary Lady

The FBI Paranoia Report

Table of Contents:

I. Introduction
II. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) A. Brief History
B. Ideological Beliefs
C. Profile of the Group
D. Funding
E. Examples of Terrorist Activities
III. Conclusion

Introduction:

With only a few months to go until the year 2000, there has already been
an increase in pro-government paranoid thinking. By studying pro-government
extremist groups like the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Project
FBI Paranoia has found a wealth of information on their dangerous
ideological belief system. The FBI terrorist group poses a threat to the
individual liberties of all Americans. With a long history of ignoring the
Bill of Rights, there is a legitimate reason to believe that they will
continue to pose a threat in the year 2000 and beyond.

II. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

A. Brief History

A part of the so-called "Department of Justice" (DOJ), the FBI is one of
the most well known extremist government groups. Founded in 1908, the
Federal Bureau of Investigation has a long history of violating an
individual's rights. In the 1920's and 30's, the FBI enforced the
unsuccessful Prohibition laws. Out of these laws came two powerful classes
of gangsters.

Al Capone and other bootleggers are confined to the history books but the
FBI federal gangsters have survived to this date. During the Cold War era,
the FBI continued to produce file after file on "subversive" people under
J. Edgar Hoover's reign. People as benign as Helen Keller had a file
introduced on them by this government supremacist group. Even with the end
of the Hoover administration, the FBI has not stopped their terrorist
activities against individual liberty. In the past decade, there is
evidence pointing to FBI cover-ups in incidents like Waco, Ruby Ridge, and
Filegate. The FBI terrorist group is responsible for numerous killings of
innocent Americans.

Even with these charges, the FBI extremists have not been brought to
justice.

B. Ideological Beliefs

The FBI is founded upon a belief in a strong federal government. The
federal government has supremacy over the state/local governments as well
as the individual American. The FBI has gained an increasing presence in
all areas of law enforcement activities on a national, state/local, and
even international level. Contrary to the principles of state sovereignty
expressed in the 9th and 10th amendments, the FBI now claims jurisdiction
over many "law enforcement" activities that should be reserved for the
states or not be done at all. Working along side other government
supremacist groups, they have managed to produce a tyrannical system of
power over all Americans. The FBI government supremacists advocate
draconian laws and legislation that effects us all.

FBI pro-government supremacists want your fingerprint, access to your
computer files, your DNA, almost anything that they can get on you. What
the government extremists don't tell you is that the FBI and other
pro-government supremacists groups are waging a war against your basic
rights.

The FBI's paranoid belief system lends itself to producing a "witch-hunt"
mentality. They irrationally perceive that there are many "witches" who
will appear around the year 2000. Many excellent examples of their paranoid
mentality can be found in reading their newest press release,
"Project Meggido." The report includes hateful language like "cult".
FBI government supremacists use terms like "cults" to describe any group
they don't like.
They are also targeting "militia, apocalyptic, christian identity, " groups
as possible enemies for the year 2000. Their witch-hunts focus on
"unpopular" targets in order not to ruffle the feathers of the mainstream
culture. Even if you don't belong or associate with any of these groups,
remember the witch-hunts often lead to increasing power for the FBI.

Interpretation of the Constitution/Bill of Rights

The FBI claims to be "faithful to the Constitution." But like most
government supremacist groups, their faithfulness is only to be found in a
broad interpretation of the constitution. Adherents of this "living"
constitution can justify their actions by claiming the Constitution can be
easily changed according to the "popular" ideas of the current time. Of
course, the "constitution" that the FBI has remained faithful to doesn't
include a Bill of Rights. The FBI is fearful of the original Bill of
Rights. If presented with a copy of these rights, they will still ignore
them. Government supremacists follow a "constitution" that doesn't include
individual rights.

The FBI terrorist government supremacist extremist's "bill of rights"says,
"you have the right to forfeit all your rights 

Re: [CTRL] Chechnya's hidden history

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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Thanks again. Hope ya had a happy.

Om
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[CTRL] The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race Part 1

1999-11-26 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Hi all,
I'm back online with another ISP. Think the bugs ate the last one.
Nicky


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The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race
by Andrew Collins

 Extracted from New Dawn No.40 (January-February, 1997)


 Is civilisation the legacy of a race of human angels known
as Watchers and Nephilim?  Andrew Collins, author of FROM THE
ASHES OF ANGELS, previews his history of angels and fallen angels
and traces their origin back to an extraordinarily advanced
culture that entered the Near East shortly after the end of the
last Ice Age.
 Angels are something we associate with beautiful
Pre-Raphaelite and renaissance paintings, carved statues
accompanying gothic architecture and supernatural beings who
intervene in our lives at times of trouble. For the last 2000
years this has been the stereotypical image fostered by the
Christian Church. But what are angels? Where do they come from,
and what have they meant to the development of organised
religion?
 Many people see the Pentateuch, the first five books of the
Old Testament, as littered with accounts of angels appearing to
righteous patriarchs and visionary prophets. Yet this is simply
not so. There are the three angels who approach Abraham to
announce the birth of a son named Izaac to his wife Sarah as he
sits beneath a tree on the Plain of Mamre. There are the two
angels who visit Lot and his wife at Sodom prior to its
destruction. There is the angel who wrestles all night with Jacob
at a place named Penuel, or those which he sees moving up and
down a ladder that stretches between heaven and earth.
 Yet other than these accounts, there are too few examples,
and when angels do appear the narrative is often vague and
unclear on what exactly is going on. For instance, in the case of
both Abraham and Lot the angels in question are described simply
as `men', who sit down to take food like any mortal person.

 Influence of the Magi

 It was not until post-exilic times -- i.e. after the Jews
returned from captivity in Babylon around 450 BC -- that angels
became an integral part of the Jewish religion. It was even
later, around 200 BC, that they began appearing with frequency in
Judaic religious literature. Works such as the Book of Daniel and
the apocryphal Book of Tobit contain enigmatic accounts of
angelic beings that have individual names, specific appearances
and established hierarchies. These radiant figures were of
non-Judaic origin. All the indications are that they were aliens,
imports from a foreign kingdom, namely Persia.
 The country we know today as Iran might not at first seem
the most likely source for angels, but it is a fact that the
exiled Jews were heavily exposed to its religious faiths after
the Persian king Cyrus the Great took Babylon in 539 BC. These
included not only Zoroastrianism, after the prophet Zoroaster or
Zarathustra, but also the much older religion of the Magi, the
elite priestly caste of Media in north-west Iran. They believed
in a whole pantheon of supernatural beings called ahuras, or
`shining ones', and daevas -- ahuras who had fallen from grace
because of their corruption of mankind.
 Although eventually outlawed by Persia, the influence of the
Magi ran deep within the beliefs, customs and rituals of
Zoroastrianism. Moreover, there can be little doubt that
Magianism, from which we get terms such as magus, magic and
magician, helped to establish the belief among Jews not only of
whole hierarchies of angels, but also of legions of fallen angels
-- a topic that gains its greatest inspiration from one work
alone -- the Book of Enoch.

 The Book of Enoch

 Compiled in stages somewhere between 165 BC and the start of
the Christian era, this so-called pseudepigraphal (i.e. falsely
attributed) work has as its main theme the story behind the fall
of the angels. Yet not the fall of angels in general, but those
which were originally known as '?rin ('?r in singular), "those
who watch", or simply `watchers' as the word is rendered in
English translation.
 The Book of Enoch tells the story of how 200 rebel angels,
or Watchers, decided to transgress the heavenly laws and
`descend' on to the plains and take wives from among mortal kind.
The site given for this event is the summit of Hermon, a mythical
location generally associated with the snowy heights of Mount
Hermon in the Ante-Lebanon range, north of modern-day Palestine
(but see below for the most likely homeland of the Watchers).
 The 200 rebels realise the implications of their
transgressions, for they agree to swear an oath to the effect
that their leader Shemyaza would take the blame if the whole
ill-fated venture went terribly wrong.
 After their descent to the lowlands, the Watchers indulge in
earthly delights with their chosen `wives', and through these
unions are born giant offspring named as Nephilim, or 

[CTRL] The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race pt 2

1999-11-26 Thread Nicky Molloy

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The Heavenly Mountain

 There is much more, however, for it is not just the Iranian
and Jewish races that cite Kurdistan as the cradle of
civilisation.
 The mythologies of both the Sumerians, who ruled the various
Mesopotamian city-states from around 3000 BC onwards, and their
eventual conquerors, the Akkadians, placed the homeland of the
gods in this exact same region. The Akkadians originated as a
Semitic, or proto-Hebrew, race of uncertain origin, and in their
religious literature this heavenly abode is referred to as
Kharsag Khurra, the heavenly mountain. Here the gods, also known
as the Anannage, lived in a paradisical realm with gardens,
orchards, temples and irrigated fields that not only resemble the
 Seven Heavens described in the Book of Enoch, but is
actually referred to on more than one occasion as edin, the
Akkadian for `steppe' or `plateau'.
 Even further linking Kharsag with the Jewish domain of
angels is the knowledge that the Anannage, like the Enochian
Watchers, were governed by a council of seven. These undoubtedly
equate with the seven archangels of post-exilic Judaism as well
as the six so-called Amesha Spentas, or `bounteous spirits', who
with the supreme god Ahura Mazda, preside over the angelic
hierarchies in Iranian tradition.
 Were the Anannage, the gods and goddesses of Kharsag, simply
another form of the Watchers of Enochian and Dead Sea literature,
whose homeland was a lofty agricultural settlement called Eden or
heaven, located somewhere amid the mountains of Kurdistan?

   The Search for Dilmun

 Kharsag is not the only name used by the ancient
Mesopotamians to refer to their place of first beginnings. This
cradle of civilisation was also known by the name Dilmun, or
Tilmun. Here, it was said, the god Ea and his wife were placed to
institute "a sinless age of complete happiness". Here too animals
lived in peace and harmony, man had no rival and the god Enlil
"in one tongue gave praise". It is also described as a pure,
clean and "bright" "abode of the immortals" where death, disease
and sorrow are unknown and some mortals have been given "life
like a god", words reminiscent of the Airyana Vaejah, the realm
of the immortals in Iranian myth and legend, and the Eden of
Hebraic tradition.
 Although Dilmun is equated by most scholars with the island
of Bahrain in the Persian Gulf, there is evidence to suggest that
a much earlier mythical Dilmun was located in a mountainous
region beyond the plains of Sumer. But where exactly was it
located?
 Mesopotamian inscriptions do not say; however, the
Zoroastrian Bundahishn text and the Christian records of Arbela
in Iraqi Kurdistan both refer to a location named Dilam?n as
having existed around the headwaters of the Tigris, south-west of
Lake Van -- the very area in which the biblical Eden is said to
have been located.
 Furthermore, Ea (the Akkadian Enki) was said to have
presided over the concourse of Mesopotamia's two greatest rivers
-- the Tigris and Euphrates -- which are shown in depictions as
flowing from each of his shoulders. This would have undoubtedly
have meant that the head-waters, or sources, of these rivers
would have been looked upon as sacred to Ea
 by the cultures of
Mesopotamia's Fertile Crescent.
 More curious is the knowledge that, as in Hebrew and Iranian
myth, there would appear to have been a fall of the gods of Anu,
the Anannage. Whilst 300 of their number remained in heaven, some
600 others, under the leadership of Nergal, god of the
underworld, settled among mortal kind. Here they provided mankind
with everything from basic agriculture, to astronomy, land
irrigation, building technology and structured society.
 Sounds familiar?
 These rebel Anannage lived "in the earth", a reference to an
"underworld" realm connected with the ancient city of Kutha,
north of Babylon. In this "House of Darkness" lived "demons" and
Edimmu, giant blood-sucking vampires who would return to the
surface world after dark to steal the souls of the undead.
 Could these infernal beings be a distorted memory of the
rebel Watchers and their monstrous offspring, the Nephilim? Might
these fallen angels have lived in underground cities after their
descent on to the plains?

The Bodies of Birds

 Ancient Mesopotamia fathered whole pantheons of devils and
demons -- each class having its own appearance, functions and
attributes. Some were beneficial to mankind, while others caused
only pain, suffering and torment in the mortal world.
 In the story of the goddess Ishtar's descent to the
underworld, preserved in Assyrio-Babylonian tradition, the
"chiefs" of the "House of Darkness" were said to have been "like
birds covered with feathers", who "from the days of old ruled the
earth, (and) to whom the gods Anu and Bel have 

Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass

1999-11-26 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Walking is still for free. But of course where you can go is proscribed. But
when hasn't it been? Even here in Australia in prior to the British
invasion/settlement (take your pick) the Aborigines couldn't walk where they
pleased. There were areas off-limits to you according to various traditions
imposed, not to mention that trespassing on the territory of your neighbours
was a potentially fatal no-no. Humans have always been territorial. You will
not find a time when they weren't.

The point was, contrary to Nessie's ramblings, that you can still go from A
to B under your own power without paying anybody for the very act moving your
legs in whatever direction you take.

BD.

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Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue Failure

1999-11-26 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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A couple of points.

* Nixon's relationship with the Establishment or "Oligarchy" was always
antagonistic.  As the White House tapes and various accounts of Nixon attest,
Nixon had an almost paranoid hatred of the Establishment including the press,
think-tanks, the "Wise Men", rich people in general, the CIA and of course
Rocky. On a couple of occasions he talked of breaking into the CFR offices
and giving them a going over. He also believed the Nelson had used dirty
tricks against him back in 1960 and often baited Kissinger about his
relationship with Rocky.

* I think the Rockefeller power had passed into David's hands long ago,
perhaps as soon as David entered the banking business. Nelson's aims were
always to be the top politician as opposed to David's more astute
behind-the-scenes manipulations. As Governor of NY and a perennial
presidential candidate who never got onto the ticket, Rocky was never quite
as successful in power play as David.

On 20/11/99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've never been able to figure out what exactly Rockefeller's role was.
AFAIK, Ford never consulted him on anything; the only significant
contribution he made was to chair the commission that catalogued the
assorted emergency declarations going back to Lincoln. My sense is that
while Nelson Rockefeller was indeed an Oligarch, his power was waning by
that time; within the family, authority was passing to David and Jay, and
the vice presidency was almost one last sinecure for the patriarch, so close
to the office he had sought for so long and which had always eluded him.
Besides, by that time, power within the Oligarchy (or perhaps that should
be "Oilgarchy") was shifting to George Bush the First, who even then
epitomized the permanent government... (See Trevanian's *Shibumi* for some
trenchant comments on the role of Big Oil in "public affairs.")

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 In a message dated 99-11-18 12:01:43 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Intriguing. But my point about an Oligarch actually running the country
 directly is still, I think, accurate...Nixon hardly qualified as a member
 of
   the Oligarchy, even though he might have liked to think of himself that
 way.
 He was recruited, guided, and controlled every step of the way.

 True, not an "oligarch."  Now, how about "vice president" Nelson
 Rockefeller?



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[CTRL] y2k deception

1999-11-26 Thread Nicky Molloy

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http://www.y2k-news.co.uk/klimaxnews/238.htm

This is a bit worrying about y2k. They may be springing something on you
guys on Jan 1st.There is a newsletter you can subscribe to. This guy is
refusing to say anything else about y2k because he says nobody can change
it.  Its really strange how all the y2k newsletters I was getting all
stopped dead at once. Maybe they were threatened. Wonder what will happen
first - stock market crash? gun confiscation? another meteor?, hologram
trickery?
I heard on the news here in NZ that we were 94% y2k compliant around the
country for essential services etc. Today I heard again from a gas station
attendant that the pumps won't work on Jan 1st. Heard that one before from a
govt employee previously as well. May be a good idea to fill the car and
store a bit extra, though I have heard bad news about the Middle East for
y2k compliancy for oil wells..
Nicky


23/11 - Y2K Newswire "staying silent"





A leading American Y2K news site has closed
its doors on Y2K until January 1.

Y2K Newswire editor Mike Adams made the
astonishing announcement in an email sent
out to subscribers to the Y2K Newswire email
alert earlier today.

In it he says: "As you probably know by now,
we've unveiled a unique strategy for the last
forty days: staying silent."

The email refers readers to the Y2K Newswire
site for a full explanation.

The site has "an important message" from Mr
Adams which says: "Due primarily to the fact
that our federal government and mainstream
press have now succeeded in setting up the
American public for a costly, last-minute
Y2K panic, I have decided to cease the
publication of public articles on Y2K until
January 1.

"I have reached this decision following two
weeks of nearly torturous consideration on
the subject.

"My decision to cease the publication of
public articles on Y2K Newswire stems, in
part, from a deep consideration of these
facts:

"Fact: My original goal was to tell people
the truth about Y2K while there was enough
time remaining to do something about it.

"That time remaining is now nearly gone.
Events cannot now be altered in any
meaningful way.

"Fact: The United States government has
encouraged people to avoid preparing for Y2K.

"This has left them defenseless against
potential Y2K disruptions.

"Fact: The mainstream press has largely
refused to investigate this problem,
increasing the severity of public
complacency.

"Fact: The American public has largely refused
to prepare for Y2K, preferring to believe the
spin rather than investigate, for themselves,
the truth about Y2K.

"Fact: Some of our political leaders have
pre-blamed the public for any Y2K problems
that appear.

"This is clearly a strategy designed to
deflect blame from those who actually caused
the problems.

"Most important fact: Americans always panic
in the final moments before any coming crisis
for which they are not prepared, whether it
be a hurricane, war, or - I believe - Y2K.

"When this happens, officials are going to
look for someone to blame. They will never
take responsibility for the situation they
have caused.

"Instead, they will attempt to blame the only
people who actually tried to prevent the
problem: the Internet Y2K skeptics and those
people who took action to prepare.

"As a result of this situation, with the final
days approaching, I realise there is a small,
but real, possibility that my articles - if
misinterpreted by the public or intentionally
misused by the press - could be partially
blamed for any last-minute panic.

"Due to this potential dynamic, I am removing
myself from the issue until after December 31,
1999."

Mr Adams stressed the decision to cease
publishing Y2K stories was his own.

"With such an announcement, questions will
certainly come to mind: have I been forced
into halting the publication of the truth?
Have I been "bought off" by some government
conspiracy?

"The answers to both questions are, "No."
I have not been contacted by anyone
threatening me to shut down the site. Nobody
has paid me anything to go off the air until
January 1.

"I do, however, consider the aggressive
hate-speech coming from this administration
- aimed at those who have chosen to prepare
for Y2K - to be a threat.

"Not only to me personally, but to the entire
nation.

"The campaign that has been waged to
transform common sense, risk-reducing
actions (such as storing food or water) into
"radical," "extremist acts" runs counter to
all wisdom.

"A prepared America is a strong, better,
healthier and happier America. This is
apparently not the America our current
administration wants.

"They want an unprepared America. And
that's exactly what they got."

Mr Adams plans to make a comeback in
January.

"After the January 1 rollover, I will
restart the publication of public articles,
commenting on the events that have, by that
time, unfolded," he says in his farewell.

DECLARATION  

[CTRL] WTO assists Gerber in subverting Guatemalan laws to protect babies from predatory marketing

1999-11-26 Thread Dave

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WTO assists Gerber in subverting Guatemalan laws to protect babies from
predatory marketing

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave



CORPORATE RIGHTS VS. HUMAN NEED

For many years, the potential market for baby foods and infant formula in
the "developed" countries has been shrinking because birth rates have
declined. Therefore, to create new demand for their products, baby food
corporations have aggressively sought to "open new markets" in the Third
World.

A key vehicle for "opening new markets" is advertising intended to
convince women that breast-feeding their babies isn't "modern" and bottle
feeding is healthier. Of course the premise of such advertising is
medically false -- breast-feeding provides superior benefits compared to
all synthetic substitutes.
(Breast-feeding provides an infant with significant immunity
against disease; it creates a strong emotional bond between
mother and child; it helps prevent breast cancer in the mother, and more.)
Nevertheless, many women are taken in by the false advertising; as a
result, according to the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF), only 44%
of infants in the Third World are breast-fed. (The proportion is even
smaller in "developed" countries.)

Chiefly because of this false advertising, according to UNICEF, 1.5
million infants die each year because their mothers unwittingly prepare
infant formula with contaminated water, causing fatal diarrhea.

During the 1970s, a world-wide grass-roots campaign focused
attention on this problem, boycotting products made by Nestle, a major
manufacturer of infant formula.

Partly because of the Nestle boycott, the World Health
Organization (WHO) developed and published a Code on Marketing of
Breast-Milk Substitutes. The WHO code prohibits words like "humanized
breastmilk" and "equivalent to breastmilk."
Furthermore, to protect illiterate women from being duped, the WHO code
prohibits pictures on labels "that idealize the use of bottle feeding."

In 1983, Guatemala passed a law and regulations incorporating the WHO
code. The goal of the Guatemalan government was to encourage new mothers
(1) to breast-feed their infants and (2) to fully understand the threats
to their babies of using infant formula as a substitute for breast milk.
The Guatemalan law prohibited the use of labels that associated infant
formula with a healthy, chubby baby; specifically, the law prohibited
pictures of idealized babies on packages of baby food intended for
children younger than 2 years. Furthermore, the Guatemalan law required
labels to carry a statement that breast-feeding is nutritionally superior.

The law also prohibited baby food manufacturers from providing free
samples of their products (if a baby starts taking free samples the mother
stops lactating, thus converting mother and infant into full-time, paying
customers). And finally the law prohibited baby food manufacturers from
directly marketing their products to young mothers in the hospital.

The regulations went into effect in 1988 and all domestic and foreign
manufacturers of baby foods -- with one notable exception -- came into
compliance. Infant deaths attributable to bottle feeding declined, and
UNICEF began highlighting Guatemala as a model for what works.

However, the U.S. baby food manufacturer, Gerber (motto: "Babies Are Our
Business"), objected to Guatemala's new law. Although the Guatemalan
Ministry of Health made numerous attempts to negotiate with Gerber, the
company reportedly continued to market its infant formula directly to
mothers in the hospital, and continued to give free samples to doctors and
day care centers.

Most importantly Gerber refused to remove its trademark picture of a
chubby, smiling baby from its product labels, and it refused to add a
phrase saying breast milk was superior. In sum, Gerber thumbed its nose at
Guatemalan health authorities, who were
trying to protect their most vulnerable citizens, infants,
against harm.

In November, 1993 -- ten years after Guatemala passed its law, and five
years after its regulations went into effect -- Gerber lost its final
appeal. A Guatemalan Administrative Tribunal ruled in favor of the
Ministry of Health and it looked as though even Gerber would have to
comply with the Guatemalan law.

But Gerber opened a new line of attack on Guatemala, arguing that the
Guatemalan law was illegal under international statutes because the law
was really an "expropriation of Gerber's
trademark." This tactic bought Gerber some time while the World Trade
Organization was being created. Then in 1995, when the WTO came into
being, Gerber dropped its claim about illegal expropriation of its
trademark and began threatening to challenge Guatemala before a WTO
tribunal.

Within a short time, Guatemala realized it was now up against immense
power and the Guatemalan government changed its law to allow Gerber to
have its way. Gerber won without ever having to formally request that the
U.S. take its case 

[CTRL] The Hierarchy of the Illuminati

1999-11-26 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara

 -Caveat Lector-

http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/elite.htm

  THE HIERARCHY OF THE ILLUMINATI



  THE INNER CORE:

 (revised May 2 1999. Revision in this font color)



  [david_rockefeller.jpg]

  Czar: David Rockefeller

[The above person is identified from so many reliable sources, that his
role in the game must be considered to be established. The rest of the
members of the "Inner Core" are, and probably will be, most difficult to
verify. However, they are members of the super-rich, super- powerful
families of the world, and they all stand above the law and shun public
exposure. Most of them will never appear on the lists of the world's
richest people, like Forbes magazine etc.] What is known though, is the
number of members and their nationalities. All together, the Inner core of
the Illuminati consists of ten members from the following countries:

  USA - 2 members
   Canada - one member
   France - three members
  Austria - one member
Great Britain - one member
Spain - one member
 South Africa - one member *)

Interesting also is a quote from the Holy Bible, Revelation 13:1, when it
comes to the Illuminati and the number of people in the inner core:

  13.1 "Ten horns" represent ten minor kings (17.12) ...

... Antichrist is the beast as well as the seventh head. 12.3 reads: "Upon
his heads seven diadems"; and the next chapter says: "On his horns ten
diadems" (13.1). Antichrist in the days to come will arise from the revived
Roman Empire so as to gain control over Europe. According to the historical
narration the ten kings alluded to in 12.3 are not yet crowned, nor do they
have authority. But after these ten kings are crowned and receive authority
they will crown the beast. And thus Antichrist gains authority at that very
time. "Blasphemy"ùWhatever exalts oneself and abases God is blasphemy (see
Matt. 9.3, 26.65; John 5.18, 10.33; Mark 3.28; Rev. 16.21). "Upon his heads
names of blasphemy"ùIt means that these heads call themselves gods. History
informs us that the first five Caesars in the Roman Empire demanded the
people to worship them as gods."


  THE INNER RING:



Allaire, Paul Arthur (Xerox Corp)

Allison, Graham Tillery, Jr.
(Center for National Policy U.S)

Andreas, Dwayne Orville (Archer
Daniels Midland Co)

Bartley, Robert Leroy (Wall Street
Journal)

Bergsten, C. Fred (Inst. for Int.
Econ. U.S.)

Bowie, Robert R. (Overseas
Development Council)

Brademas, John (Texaco)

Brzezinski, Zbigniew (Center for
Strategic  International studies)

Clinton, William Jefferson
(President of the United States)

Cooper, Richard N. (Professor at
Harvard University)

Corrigan, E. Gerald (Goldman Sachs)

Davis, Lynn E. (Under Secretary
State Dep. U.S.)

Friedman, Stephen James
(Co-chairman Goldman Sachs  Co.)

Friedman, Thomas L. (Columnist New
York Times)

Foley, Thomas Stephen (House of
Representatives U.S.)

Gregen, David R. (Special assistant
to President Clinton)

Graham, Katharine (Chairman
Washington Post)

Greenberg, Maurice R. (Dep.
Chairman Fed, N.Y.)

Hesburgh, Theodore Martin (Fmr.
President of the University of
Notre Dame)

Hewitt, William Alexander
(Ambassador Jamaica)

Holbrooke, Richard C. (US
Ambassador, peace negotiator)

Jordan, Vernon Eulion, Jr.
(Brookings Institute)

Kissinger, Henry Alfred (Fmr.
Secretary of States U.S., Kissinger
Associates)

Lord, Winston (Assistant Secretary
State Dep. U.S.)

McCracken, Paul Winston (Fmr.
Professor University of Michigan)

McNamara, Robert Strange (World
Bank)

Mondale, Walter Fritz (US
Ambassador)

Nye, Joseph S., Jr. (Chairman
National Intelligence 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Mail Delivery Problem

1999-11-26 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara

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It isnt a problem here, because OS2 dont run WinSofts without
convert it,  I posted graphics  it is secure how a bird. :)

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 05:53:00 -0800, Tenorlove wrote:

Also, email viruses are most likely transmitted through attachments.
Opening attachments from unknown sources, and without first scanning
them (my browsers are set up to do this automatically) is the
cyber-equivalent of "unsafe sex." That few extra seconds it takes to
scan something could save you hours of rebuilding your system.

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Re: [CTRL] RESEARCHER CALLS FOR EXHUMATION OF JFK'S BODY:

1999-11-26 Thread Bill Kalivas

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How many of you have gone to this site? I tried to get on this morning and
found a blank page.

Paranoid or just a technical glitch?


Mr. Morningstar's work is cited in "Assassination Science", edited by
Professor James Fetzer of the University of Minnesota, Duluth. RDM's other
works are also published extensively throughout the Internet.  Some can be
easily found at "www.JFKResearch.com".

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[CTRL] Who Benefits From Y2K Paranoia?

1999-11-26 Thread William Shannon

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Friday November 26 12:58 AM ET
Y2K Food Stockpiling May Inflate Q4 Sales
By Emily Kaiser

CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. food companies may see a spike in fourth quarter
sales if consumers load up on canned goods amid concerns of Y2K-related
disruptions to the food supply, but the stockpiling could curb first quarter
revenues.

Food industry analysts said companies that make products with longer shelf
lives such as soup or canned foods would be most affected if consumers step
up purchases ahead of the New Year's holiday and then cut back in January.
However, the short-term increase probably will not boost full-year sales.

``I think it's a good-news, bad-news scenario,'' said Patrick Schumann, food
industry analyst with Edward Jones. ''Whatever they sell more of now, they're
going to sell less of later.''

John O'Neil, a food industry analyst with PaineWebber, said it was not clear
whether consumer demand would be the primary force behind the increased
sales, or if grocery stores would stock up in case of other potential snags
such as logistical problems around the first of the year.

``I think there will be a little bit of shifting out of January and into
December,'' he said. ``There are two issues. There is the consumer behavior,
which may or may not be too big. Then there is the retailer, who may build
inventories. Either way, it's still a zero-sum game.''

Trade groups and food companies say they are prepared for the so-called Y2K
bug, which refers to older computers that used just two digits to designate
the year in a date, possibly causing them to confuse the year 2000 with 1900.
The biggest worry is that consumers might empty shelves of canned goods in
the next few weeks.

Several food companies said they are seeing heavier-than-normal sales,
although they don't recommend that people load up on food ahead of the New
Year's holiday.

``We've seen some pretty good sell into the trade and you can probably
attribute part of that to Y2K,'' said John Faulkner, a spokesman for Campbell
Soup Co. (NYSE:CPB - news).

He said the company had received requests from large-volume club stores for
more 12-packs of soup, a request Campbell has attributed to Y2K-related
buying.

Hormel Foods Corp. (NYSE:HRL - news) the maker of Spam luncheon meats and
Dinty Moore stews, said on Tuesday it was seeing signs of ''Y2K-related
pantry inventory build-up'' which helped boost fiscal fourth quarter profits.

George Dahlman, a food industry analyst with U.S. Bancorp Piper Jaffray, said
such stockpiling could lead to some weakness in January if consumers are
stuck with full cabinets.

``We still have a nagging worry about how much of this (strength in Hormel's
earnings) is Y2K,'' Dahlman said. ``I don't think it was more than a couple
of pennies (per share), but we're dragging the first quarter (earnings
estimates) down a little bit just to be on the safe side.''

Canned fruit and vegetable maker Del Monte Foods Co. (NYSE:DLM - news) said
in October it expected sales in the December quarter to be 1 million to 2
million cases higher than normal due to buying ahead of the Year 2000
changeover.

The Grocery Manufacturers of America, a trade group that represents food
companies, said its surveys show most consumers are not worried about
Y2K-related food shortages and do not plan to stock up. However, Lisa McCue,
a spokeswoman for the trade group, said that remained a hot topic of
discussion for grocery stores and food makers.

``How do you gauge how consumers are going to respond to this?'' she said.
``There is no precedent for it. We are recommending that consumers use common
sense, that they shop as they would for any holiday weekend.''

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #1

1999-11-26 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 991126a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* Please DO NOT include the entire bulletin when you reply; Cut/Paste, eh?
* No cultists were buried to produce this bulletin. Maybe they should be.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ DEATH TO PIKACHU! http://www.mustbedestroyed.com/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# New Buddhist Sect Worries Traditionalists - mass movement caters to Thai
  middle class. PATHUM THANI, Thailand -- The sheer psychic power of 30,000
  people meditating together can make miracles happen, say monks at the HQ
  of Thailand's biggest, richest and - to the established priesthood - most
  dangerous new Buddhist sect. www.seattlep-i.com:80/national/thai25.shtml

: Do you make miracles happen? Would they happen anyway? Does your belief
system threaten established authority? If you can make miracles happen, why
don't you just make the establishment accept you? Must you be persecuted?

# HOW TO PASS A DRIVING TEST: Items people have brought along to help them
  pass their driving test in London? Lucky charms including red bras and
  religious relics, having 'lucky' people sit in the back seat, and a rear
  seat guru chanting a lucky mantra (survey by British Automobile Ass'n).
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dad Jailed For Contempt - Sect Buried Sons? (ATTLEBORO, MA) The father of
  two missing boys was jailed for contempt of court after refusing to tell a
  judge where his 10-month-old son is. Cops think Jacques Robidoux' infant
  son Samuel and a newborn boy are both dead, buried in Baxter State Park by
  members of their parents' religious sect. Two dozen members of the sect,
  which does NOT believe in modern medical care, have visited Baxter during
  the past two months. But a search in a remote area of the park where the
  sect held their retreats has NOT turned up any bodies. They've gone to
  live with Jesus: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991124/04/me-state-news-3
  Previous story: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991122/03/me-state-news-1

: Does your sect eschew heathen medicine for members, kids, visitors? Do y'r
deities take many from among you? Are they willing sacrifices? Will you die
for your beliefs? Soon? Will others die for your beliefs? Is it divine will?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Children removed in raids on cult. Tokyo: Japan's police removed children
  from the bizarre Life Space cult, whose members kept a mummified body at
  an airport hotel and insisted it was alive. With tolerance for such groups
  already sapped by the 1995 gas attack on Tokyo's subway by the Aum Supreme
  Truth doomsday cult, police launched multiple raids, taking nine children
  into protection. http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/9911/25/text/world8.html

: Is death just another phase of life? Is it so hard for outsiders to under-
stand that? Are you persecuted because of y'r deep understanding of reality?

@ Pioneering academic defense of Wicca (and) Moby-Dick revisionism wars:
www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/Thursday-Times/timbooboo01010.html?1334425
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Peruvians Wallow in 'Miraculous Mud' Touched by Space Aliens. CHILCA, Peru
 (AP) Many ailing Peruvians visit Chilca, a dusty desert town on the Pacific
  coast 40 miles SE of Lima. They come to mud-wallow in 3 small ponds said
  to have healing powers. But these mud baths are different: locals claim
  their miraculous powers are brought by alien space ships. "Lots of people
  claim to have seen UFOs and strange lights in the night sky over Chilca.
  People here believe in UFOs" sez the mayor. Visitors to Chilca are greeted
  by signs proclaiming the town as "The Preferred Site for Interplanetary
  Ships and Beings." http://sltrib.com:80/1999/nov/11251999/nation_w/326.htm

: Where's your favorite miracle mud, holy hotspring, sacred spa? Do aliens,
deities, spirits, robots like to empower dirt/water/mud in your vicinity? Do
you see many paranormal entities as you wallow in the mud? D'ya inhale dust?

@ IS MY PRIEST HANDING OUT HERPES WITH THE HOSTS? There have actually been
  studies about how priests handle the Eucharist cup. There are germs there
  - but herpes is so common, it's nearly impossible to avoid. Infectious
  faith: http://healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14268
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ DREAM MACHINES. Most of the machines I’d invent — the Life Compass, the
  Emotion Scan, the Physique Dial, the Chutzpah Device — already exist in
  less garish form; writing about how much I wish they existed ignores how
  much they already do. There is one thing, however.  MACHINE THAT ONCE —
  only once — in your life, allowed you to send a letter to the past. One
  that you were able to address to only one person: your teenage self. As
  if you'd listen... http://www.msnbc.com:80/news/338846.asp?cp1=1

@ Is General Motors ready to build UFOs? -- Detroit 

[CTRL] GM food - N.D. Grazing - Sierra Club - FedGov

1999-11-26 Thread piper

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North Dakota Grass Land Grazing - Sierra Club -
Federal Government

dead line extended till January

The Grazing of cattle on Federal Lands
IF there are no more cattle grazing on these lands
then before, why is the buffalo grass shorter?

If grass is not grazed doesn't it eventually die
create a mat, and then there are grass fires?

Are they using chemicals on these cattle that kill
the bacteria that allows this area to be organic?
Organic yields are proving to be higher.

If the grass is shorter is the Government using this
as a reason to keep the farmers from finding out
that the chemical companies are hurting them?
Example: Monsanto and Genetic Modification.
The Pied Piper 26Nov1999
--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you
will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] MP's kill civilian speeder off post

1999-11-26 Thread Richard Sampson

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http://www.fayettevillenc.com/foto/news/content/1999/tx99nov/n26stop.htm

Friday, November 26, 1999

One killed in MPs’ traffic stop

By Lora Hines
Staff writer
A man was shot to death Thursday when
he pointed a gun at military police during
a traffic stop, said Cuyler Windham, chief
deputy for the Cumberland County
Sheriff’s Office.

  The man has not
  been identified.
  He was a
  passenger in a
  car that MPs
  stopped on
  McArthur Road.
  The driver and
  two children in
  the car were not
  hurt.

“We don’t know what happened to the
passenger,” Windham said. “He just came
out of there with a weapon.”

The incident started about 12:30 p.m. on
Fort Bragg and ended just past the post’s
border minutes later.

An MP operating radar on McArthur
Road noticed that a car, a 1989 Buick
Regal, was speeding. The MP followed the
car until it pulled off the road about 900
feet off post, Windham said.

The MP walked toward Joshua Spann’s
car and saw a handgun on the dashboard,
Windham said.

“The driver said, ‘There’s a gun up here,
but it’s legal,’” Windham said.

The MP returned to his car and called for
assistance because Spann was being
uncooperative, said sheriff’s Capt. Freddy
Johnson.

“The situation still was under control,”
Johnson said.

Two other MPs arrived, and the three MPs
stood behind Spann’s car, Windham said.
Spann got out of his car to talk to the MPs
and to see the radar reading that showed
that he had been driving 78 mph in a
55-mph zone, Windham said.

“They were starting to write a ticket to the
driver when the passenger got out with a
weapon,” Windham said.

The passenger had grabbed the gun that
had been on the dashboard, Windham
said.

Spann walked over to the passenger and
the two fought until the passenger fired
one or two shots, Windham said.

“The driver goes around to the front of
the car, maybe to check on his children,”
Windham said. “The passenger points the
gun at the driver, supposedly to shoot at
him. Then he turns and points directly
with a gun on the MPs. They told him to
drop the weapon.”

At least one MP fired a shot at the
passenger, killing him. Windham declined
to identify the MPs.

“From what we know, it doesn’t appear
that the MP overreacted,” Windham said.

About a dozen detectives, including all
five homicide investigators from the
Sheriff’s Office, spent hours collecting
evidence and interviewing witnesses.
Residents who live off McArthur Road got
as close as they could to try to see
anything.

Anna Trescastro was at her brother’s
home for Thanksgiving dinner when she
heard a shot fired.

 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

1999-11-26 Thread Ric Carter

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@ 10 Turkeys: http://1.digital.cnet.com/cgi-bin1/flo?x=doYgKhBuBwghBKuE
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# The Universe may contain regions where time runs backwards. THE Universe
  may contain regions where milk would stir itself out of coffee and eggs
  would un-break, sez a New York physicist. The idea that there may be
  regions where time runs backwards could explain invisible dark matter.
  This kind of matter, invoked by cosmologists to explain the movement of
  galaxies, could originate in a future contracting phase of the Universe.
  Grave-to-cradle security: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/991124/18/bo71.html

: Do you prefer time to run forwards, backwards, sideways, upside-down, in a
spiral, or random jig-jags? Have you designed/built/used time machines that
explore each possible geometry? Where do you end up? DO you end up? Is there
an end, beginning, midpoint? Is time a probabilistic cloud, temporal fog??

@ New history of quantum physics - 100 years that shook the world:
  http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991127/goldencent.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Earth to E.T. -- let us know what's out there. In the demon-haunted world
  of the Middle Ages people were abducted by incubi and succubi; the spirit-
  haunted world of 19th century England  the U.S. reported apparitions and
  ghosts. Now, we don't experience demons and spirits because our culture is
  captured by aliens. From Star Trek  Star Wars to E.T. and The X-Files in
  our pop-culture, and from NASA's Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence
  (SETI) program to the [alleged] Mars rock microbes, we live in an alien-
  haunted world. Yet evidence for alien existence is, well, nonexistent.
  http://herald.com:80/content/wed/entertainment/books/digdocs/088449.htm

: Is your mind haunted by the current paradigm? Do you prefer older/newer
paradigms? Have you invented any different brain-haunting paradigms? Will
you share'em with us? Will they take over our minds? Will you take control?

@ Science  morality: http://sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/280/5367/1200
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# GAMMA RAY FINDING MAY OPEN NEW WINDOW ON UNIVERSE. NASA scientists say a
  new finding on the properties of gamma-ray bursts could open "a new window
  on the distant universe" and offer fresh insight into its beginnings - and
  perhaps its eventual demise. This could make it possible to determine the
  geometry of the universe throughout its various epochs, as well as when
  and where massive stars formed in its very early  stages. 'A much better
  idea of where we came from:' http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9911/25/gamma.rays/

: Should windows be left open? Won't weather blow in? Do you really want to
know when/how the universe will end? Would you rather be surprised? Can you
take preventative measures? Should we keep the universe from ending? Would
that be "tampering with Nature?" D'ya like to tamper with Nature? Is it fun?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Site catches term paper cheaters. BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) - If your idea of
  writing a college term paper is point-click-download, your worst nightmare
  may be http://www.plagiarism.org where your misdeeds will be exposed, for
  a fee: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562253076-78d

# Train robber designs heist game. RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) A new video
  game based on Britain's 1963 Great Train Robbery will be designed by an
  expert - Ronald Biggs, a fugitive who helped carry out the heist. Biggs 
  fellow train robber Bruce Reynolds have signed on as design consultants -
  see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562249718-cf1

# Cashier uses Palm Pilot in credit card scam. NEW YORK (AP) A Bloomingdale
  clerk's PDA was her partner in crime. After swiping a credit card through
  the store's credit card device, she'd swipe it again thru a card scanner
  attached to her Palm Pilot. The PDA "is capable of storing thousands of
  credit card numbers:" http://cnn.com/TECH/ptech/9911/24/creditcardscam.ap

: What are the most creative ways to use computers to profit from crime? Do
you profit from other peoples' crimes? Do other people profit from yours? Do
voices in y'r head guide you to profitable crimes, or are you in it for fun?

@ Feeble handwriting analysis of Bill Gates - ya can't analyze The Dark
  Lord, can you? http://www.myhandwriting.com/celebs/billgates2.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Quantum fuel for future computers - Research suggests how software market
  might change. (MSNBC) Imagine a world where software is computational fuel
  churned out by a processing plant and shipped down an 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-11-26 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 991126c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

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@ Dykes 2 Watch Out 4: http://washblade.com/forum/cartoons/dykes/991126a.htm
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# Lectures Teach Talking With Angels. The Inner Peace Movement presents
  spiritual workshops that affirm efforts to communicate with angels. If
  you get the chills, it might be a message from an angel. Hot flashes
  too? http://www.al.com:80/news/birmingham/Nov1999/19-e310557b.html

: Do angels, demons, deities, aliens, extradimensional entities talk to you?
Do you talk back? Do you have meaningful dialogues? Do they send post cards,
emails, gifts? Do they ever send contraband? Have you been caught with it??

# No date set for pope's visit to Iraq - Chaldean Catholics concerned:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562257152-161
@ " I’ve run out of images, used up the erotic exploits of the gods."
  http://bostonreview.mit.edu:80/BR24.5/fischer.html
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# China puts 4 from sect on trial. SHANGHAI (AP) - Four followers of Falun
  Gong went on trial on charges of illegally publishing 50,000 books for the
  banned Chinese sect. As many as 2,000 sect members have been sent to labor
  camps. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562256945-410

: How many books has your sect published? Should you be enslaved for that?
Are your sect members good laborers? Do you produce high-quality products?

# Falun Gong's chief critic is no simple govt toady. BEIJING - The animosity
  between Sima Nan  the FalunGong spiritual movement goes back a few years,
  ever since Sima, China's one-man cult-bashing machine, denounced the group
  as a fraud in 1995, and the group's leader predicted that Sima would go
  blind and be crippled. http://www.seattlep-i.com:80/national/pac222.shtml

: Would you rather be persecuted by an ordinary govt toady or a special one?
Who's your favorite govt toady? Are you a govt toady? Are you empowered???
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# Ex-cop busted in alleged mosque plot. JERUSALEM (AP) - A retired Israeli
  police officer has been arrested on suspicion he threatened to blow up the
  Al Aqsa Mosque compound; he was taken into custody and later hospitalized.
  The officer had retired early from the force due to health problems stem-
  ming from job-related "encounters with difficult incidents, terrorist acts
  and violent situations." So he's not a criminal, just sick, a victim, eh?
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562256042-edb

: Do fatigue, stress, job woes make the voices in your head louder, telling
you to blow things up? Then it's not your fault, is it? Do you blame demons?

# Mass graves found in East Timor - priests, others killed at church:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562265465-b78
# Austria investigating neo-Nazi group - Auf ein Arab fur Adolf:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562260475-9ed
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@ HERBS  DRUGS: NEVER MIX, NEVER WORRY. Herbs are potent  powerful stuff -
  and some of them, if taken with certain prescription medications, can have
  dangerous side effects. Check this list to be sure you don't take a risky
  combo: http://healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14277

: What's your favorite plant product? Have you ever taken datura, peyote, or
little white nodules growing on the roots of oak trees? Do you pick your own
herbals? Do herbals interfere with your chemotherapy or your alien implant?

@ MASSAGE ON THE WEB: http://www.lucifer.com/~sasha/massage.html
$ INNER ART OF MEDITATION: http://shop.pbs.org/7NOIx5CMQU/products/A2301/
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# Alcohol brainwave - Alcoholism may be partly due to genetic make-up. (BBC)
  Children of alcoholics may be genetically predisposed to the condition,
  say researchers who have monitored the way their brains respond to drink.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_535000/535479.stm  (hic!)

@ Links:  Alcohol Concern: http://www.alcoholconcern.org.uk/
@ Alcohol abuse advice: http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/gjl37/
@ Health Education Authority alcohol advice: http://www.wrecked.co.uk/

: Can/should/will humans be gene-modified to reduce/eliminate predilections
for 'harmful' substances? Will we be rendered subhuman, mechanical, boring?
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# OF HUMAN BONDING: THE ROLE OF THE ORGASM HORMONE. Chemicals have a lot to
  do with our emotions - this study bears that out. It involves oxytocin,
  a hormone released during orgasm, and its role in human attachment and
  bonding. http://healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14276

@ EVER HAD A NASAL ORGASM? The nose 

[CTRL] OEN 11/26/99

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe/A
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Fin-de-siecle


Plot to Blow Up Al Aqsa Mosque


Israeli police officer arrested.

JERUSALEM (Nov. 25) - A retired Israeli police officer has been arrested on
suspicion he threatened to blow up the Al Aqsa Mosque compound, police said
Thursday.

The man was taken into custody and later hospitalized, said police
spokeswoman Linda Menuhin. She said the officer had retired early from the
force due to health problems stemming from job-related ``encounters with
difficult incidents, terrorist acts and violent situations.''

The man allegedly called Israel radio earlier this month and threatened to
blow up the Al Aqsa Mosque compound, home to Islam's third-holiest shrine,
Menuhin said. Judaism's most revered site, the Western Wall, runs alongside
the compound.

The ex-officer was arrested shortly after the call was placed, she said.

With the approaching millennium, Israeli security forces are on heightened
alert about possible attempts by religious fanatics to attack holy sites in
Jerusalem. Earlier this year, Israel deported members of a Denver-based
apocalyptic cult on suspicion they plotted to carry out attacks near holy
sites.

[For the real plot to blow up the Temple Mount, read the Jack Parsons Saga.]

Associated Press, November 25, 1999


Single Currency


ECB Defends the Euro


But still can't get it up.

Wim Duisenberg, president of the European Central Bank, is concerned that the
euro's weakness against the dollar will damage public confidence in Europe's
single currency.

He told the FT he had received many letters from members of the public,
particularly from Germany, expressing fears that their savings were at risk
from the currency's weakness.

Mr Duisenberg said the euro's weakness against the dollar did not matter
greatly from an economic point of view, because it seemed unlikely to stoke
serious inflationary pressures in the medium term.

But he added: "[It] does give me some concern that a further movement in this
direction would contribute to undermining the confidence in the euro of the
public at large. Unjustified, but still it is a public perception."

The euro has fallen this week to a four-month low of less than $1.02 to the
dollar - which was its closing price in London yesterday - partly because of
concerns about the economic problems facing Germany.

Otmar Issing, the ECB's chief economist, said the euro was also "very much
affected by new information about the strength of the US economy".

Mr Duisenberg said: "The euro has strong potential ...I can discover no
reason why the euro will weaken further." The public should judge the ECB not
on the euro's exchange rate, but on whether the bank was achieving price
stability in the euro-zone.

Discussing the ECB's decision to raise interest rates earlier this month by
0.5 percentage points to 3 per cent, Mr Duisenberg said a minority on the
bank's 17-member governing council had wanted an increase of only 0.25
points. The council tried to operate by consensus, but: "A consensus doesn't
indicate in all cases that if there had been a vote, it would have been
unanimous."

The ECB intended to start publishing its economic forecasts for the
euro-zone, ranging from inflation and real GDP to the 11-nation area's
overall public deficit.

Mr Duisenberg hinted that his own position as ECB president was important to
maintaining confidence - so he was reluctant to signal at this stage that he
would step down early under a compromise agreed with the French government.

"I am aware that it may sound a bit bragging, but I do feel that in a large
part of Euroland I have a great deal of confidence from the people. That
imposes a rather heavy responsibility to keep on doing what I am doing," he
said.

Partly on account of his age - he is 64 - Mr Duisenberg is still thought to
be willing to leave office without serving his full term. But he has made
clear he wants to go with dignity and not before the introduction of euro
banknotes and coins is completed in June 2002.

The Financial Times, November 26, 1999
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

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[CTRL] Fwd: 990 Tail Explosion Invalidates Batoutty Suicide Fable

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan





11.26.99
990 Tail Explosion Invalidates Batoutty Suicide Fable


© 1999 NewsHawk® Inc.

As reported, federal investigators of the Fl. 990 crash have confirmed
the tail section of the jet was severely damaged by an explosion. 

Okay. Now place that in context with what IS known about the last few
moments of the flight.

The jet began a very rapid, steep but CONTROLLED dive while at 33,000
feet. After leveling out at 17,000 feet the engines were turned off.
This IS a NECESSARY prerequisite to starting the engines up again after
they've faltered--in this case due to the primary computer computer
system glitch from the particle or pulse weapon initially directed at
the craft. The jet began to climb again up to 24, 000 feet. To DO this,
OBVIOUSLY the engines had to be turned back on, which can be achieved
after the primary computer system OR the backup system has been booted.

The explosion in the tail was positively NOT the first hostile act
targeting the jet, otherwise the pilots would not have been able to
control the craft to the extent they did, including initiating an ascent
after leveling off. This confirmation of a tail-end explosion
substantially corroborates the information made public by NewsHawk in
our previous articles on the crash; in particular; "Fl 990--What WE Know
But Gov't, Media Won't Say".  That is, that the jet was hit TWICE,
initially at 33,000 feet and again after it re-ascended to 24,000 feet,
by a particle beam or (electromagnetic) pulse weapon; and THEN "finished
off" with a missile to the tail section when it became apparent the
pilots' excellent skills MIGHT enable them to pull the jet out of BIG
trouble after the SECOND, likely more severe electromagnetic weapon
strike. The pilots obviously WERE able to recover from the first mishap,
and had begun to climb again to cruising altitude.

The word is out as far as the Egyptian Government is concerned. At this
very moment some of their top experts in electromagnetics are
researching the effects of electromagnetic pulses and fields upon
aircraft. They have become aware the truth regarding the crash and are
determined to dig it out and force the full exposure/disclosure of same.

To re-cap, the explosion which destroyed the tail section of EgyptAir
Fl. 990 happened LATE in the entire series of events, NOT at the
beginning. Therefore, the crew-members were initially responding to a
hostile action of a different sort, exactly as we reported. The missile
hit to the jet's tail was the coup de grace, and obviously a VERY
desperate one at that.

Those responsible for bringing down the jet have created a MASSIVE,
immovable monstrosity of an international mess which Egypt for one is
determined they will answer
--and pay--for.


© 1999 NewsHawk® Inc.




[CTRL] Fwd: Branded by the ALF

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan





As British intelligence, for all intents and purposes, ran and operated the
British Communist Party, one has to ask, who supplies the intelligence for,
and, who is behind the "ALF", that makes them immune from prosecution and
virtually a law unto themselves. Britain's "Football Hooligans" and the
"ALF" have shown strong links to the Far Right, which in turn has links to
Britain's intelligence Services

   Branded by the "ALF"

By Daniel Foggo

The investigative journalist who exposed 'Animal Liberation Front' terror
tactics has been subjected to a horrifying revenge ordeal - taken captive
and tortured with a branding iron.

Graham Hall, whose documentary film Inside The ALF won top television
awards, thought the kidnap gang were going to kill him. Instead they burned
the initials ALF across his bare back.

And last night the ALF's official spokesman Robin Webb issued a chilling
warning to 43-year-old Mr Hall and any others who seek to undermine the
organisation's increasingly widespread network of stop-at-nothing fanatics.

He denied any knowledge of the attack on Mr. Hall but said: 'People who
make a living in this way have to expect from time to time to take the
consequences of their actions.'

Mr Hall will be permanently scarred by the barbaric mutilation. Channel 4,
which showed the film in a Dispatches programme which won this year's BALSA
news journalism award and also a Royal Television Society award, has
offered to pay for plastic surgery to help minimise the impact of the
branded letters.

Mr Hall, who works by secretly filming as he infiltrates iniquitous
operations ranging from badger baiting to drug dealing, admits he has also
been mentally scarred.

'Recovering from the psychological effect of this will take a long time,'
he said last night. 'But I am determined to carry on my work.'

Much of his work is directed against cruelty to animals but he was appalled
at ALF tactics. Robin Webb told Mr Hall how to construct a bomb, while
fellow member Gaynor Ford took him on a tour of sites she had targeted with
terrorism.

But to Mr Hall's surprise, police, who had hoped to use his video evidence
to prosecute Webb, Ford and another man, David Hammond, quietly dropped the
case.

After his kidnap ordeal - his captors duped him into a meeting pretending
they could identify a dog-fighting ring - his torturers warned him not to
go to the police.

'I was told they would kill me if I did,' said Mr Hall. 'But I am making a
statement because they cannot be allowed to get away with it.'

Last night West Mercia Police confirmed they were investigating.

Robin Webb denied any knowledge of the incident but criticised Mr Hall for
his filming methods.

'What was filmed was heavily edited and very selectively,' he said. 'I told
my lawyers that there was nothing in the unedited tapes that could be used
against me in any way. I can't speak for Ford and Hammond. They are beyond
the pale of the movement.'

A Channel 4 spokesman said last night: 'Graham Hall is one of this
country's leading investigative journalists, who has taken considerable
risks to uncover corruption.

'His undercover work in the Dispatches programme, "Inside The ALF", was
absolutely central in exposing the dangerous fanatics at the core of that
organisation.

'We are horrified at the barbarous attack and are offering him whatever
possible support.'


..

Award-winning TV film maker kidnapped and tortured by animal rights fanatics
By Daniel Foggo and Edward Hynds

WHEN his name was announced as the winner of the BAFFA for best
documentary, Graham Hall could afford a smile of quiet satisfaction.

The award, the highest that British TV can bestow, was for his brilliant
expose of the fanatics behind the Animal Liberation Front . . . the
extremist group which eagerly resorts to violence and terror tactics in its
mission to end all animal suffering.

During months of painstaking covert filming, Hall had pieced together a
shocking and compelling documentary, which blew the lid off the ALF.

Members of the group were shown boasting of numerous bombings and arson
attacks.

And when the programme was broadcast 11 months ago as part of Channel 4's
Dispatches series it sparked a storm of anger, fuelling the controversy
raging then over jailed hungerstriker and ALF activist Barry Horne.

So the BAFTA - and a second award courtesy of the Royal Television Society
- seemed a just reward for Hall's efforts.

What's more, it seemed that justice would take its course elsewhere after
police said they were keen to seek the prosecution of the three key ALF
activists in the documentary.

But six months after those heady award ceremonies, Hall's life has changed
suddenly and dramatically, leaving him horrifically scarred both mentally
and physically.

A fortnight ago he was stunned to hear that police had decided to take no
action against the documentary's ALF protagonists, 

Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roami ng the Net?

1999-11-26 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Hey, maybe THAT explains the knee-jerk responses from so many people on the
list... Kris, we need to work up a Turing test for members of CTRL. Only the
ones who are capable of thinking independently stay on, the robots get
dumped...

 -Original Message-
 From: Franklin Wayne Poley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:11 PM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are
 Roaming the Net?

  -Caveat Lector-

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 Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 5:50 PM
 Subject: Re: Harvard and Notable Law Professor at Odds


 ==
 
 English 101 won't survive the Internet as an exclusively human domain. In
 "Machine Psychology" I give various reasons to think that an English
 conversational program might have been tried out on the Internet already
 especially on the current affairs/new types of lists. Are you sure I am
 not
 a robot?
 FWP.
 http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology-EEL.htm
 
 


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[CTRL] THE LAST RAMPAGE

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.dcia.com/rampage.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.dcia.com/rampage.html"http://www.dcia.com/ram
page.html/A
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THE LAST RAMPAGE
By James W. Clarke. Professor of Journalism, UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA

(The murder of Don Bolles was to be a package deal including the murder of Al
Lizanetz, Kemper Marley's public relations manager of 23 years. My interview
of Lizanetz is available on audio tape. In this interview, Lizanetz states
that land fraud king pin, Ned Warren was Kemper Marley's agent. Lizanetz
tells how Marley recruited Eugene Pulliam to come to Arizona to start the
Arizona Republic Newspaper. Pulliam formed the Phoenix Forty and the rest is
history --- organized crime history. Lizanetz details how Marley's United
Liquor General Manager, Gene Hensley (none other than Senator John McCain's
father-in-law) went to prison to protect Marley and was rewarded with a
Budwieser distributorship now worth $60 million. B.Q. 8-15-1996)

Chapter 6

Brothers and Cellmates
1976-1978

In Oct.1977, Raul Castro had resigned as governor of Arizona to become
President Jimmy Carter's ambassador to Argentina. In the wake of the
disturbing revelations of prison corruption and mismanagement and two
consecutive years of inmate strikes and violence, the new governor, former
Secretary of State Wesley Bolin, fired John J. Moran, the director of
corrections, on Nov. 29, 1977, naming John B. McFarland as acting director.
The decision was unpopular with the legislature. The person who should have
been fired, many believed, was not the director but the warden. Had Moran
been willing to fire Cardwell, Moran could have kept his job. It was obvious
to everyone that Cardwell was incompetent, and some thought he was corrupt.

But Moran's name, along with Cardwell's, had been linked to organized crime
activities within the prison ---in particular, to the contract murder of
inmate Tony Serra on Jan. 3rd, 1977. He also was numbered among a handful of
recent murder victims in Maricopa County whose deaths were linked to
organized crime. But Serra had been stabbed and bludgeoned to death in the
prison license plate plant, whereas others had been shot or carbombed or had
"committed suicide" in Phoenix.

Tony Serra had been convicted on land fraud charges in 1974 and was serving
an 8-to-10-year sentence. Before his conviction, he had been the sales
manager for the Great Southwest Land and Cattle Company. The company was
described by the Arizona Republic as "a crooked land firm believed by police
to have been controlled by [Ned] Warren." Mafia figure Ned Warren, the paper
said, was the "godfather of land swindlers."

Four months before he was killed, Serra had been interviewed at the prison by
attorney Atmore Baggot and a man named Richard Frost. Baggot and Frost were
members of Congressman John Conlan's political campaign organization. Conlan
was seeking the Republican nomination for a U.S. Senate seat vacated when
Paul Fanin retired. Congressman Sam Steiger was opposing Conlan in the Sept.
Republican primary. Baggot and Frost wanted to know about Steiger's rumored
connections with Ned Warren, and Serra was a likely source of information.

The race for the Republican senatorial nomination was a bitter struggle
between two far-right-wing candidates competing for the same hardcore Arizona
conservatives. Steiger, a transplanted city-boy from New York, liked to
project the image of a hard-riding, often profane cowboy from rural Yavapai
County, embodying a macho conception of the West. Conlan, in contrast,
cultivated the image of a clean-living, churchgoing man: his west was the
land of golf and tennis in Scottsdale. Despite their divergent styles and
images, both were extremely conservative, but since neither candidate's
political views were in question, both campaigns sought to make their
opponent's integrity the major issue. As the election approached, their
tactics became dirtier.

Steiger's organization decided to challenge Conlan's moral purity and
conspicuously displayed Conlan's born-again Christianity. A whispering
campaign was launched, in which questions were raised about Conlan's sexual
preferences. Conlan's people in turn, pursued the rumors about Steiger's real
estate dealings with Ned Warren and other shady characters. At the time,
Warren was appealing a 1975 conviction on two counts of extortion, and hardly
a day passed without a story about him appearing in the Phoenix papers.
Baggot and Frost believed that rumors of corruption could destroy Steiger in
the final weeks before the primary. When they asked Serra, he told them that
the rumors were true.

Serra said he knew the whereabouts of missing real estate records that would
further link Steiger to Warren in fraudulent land schemes. He told them that,
following Warren's instructions, he had buried the incriminating evidence in
the desert near Florence, after Maricopa County Attorney Moise Berger had
lifted the records from the files in the 

[CTRL] THE DEATH IN ARIZONA OF THE KEMPER MARLEY MACHINE

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.dcia.com/marley.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.dcia.com/marley.html"http://www.dcia.com/marl
ey.html/A
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THE DEATH IN ARIZONA OF THE KEMPER MARLEY MACHINE
by Brian Downing Quig MONETARY AND ECONOMIC REVIEW

Kemper Marley was Arizona's first and only billionaire at the time of the
Bolles murder.

I expected the sky to fall after my July article linking the activities of
Charles Keating and General Singlaub. Nothing happened. The reaction to my
September article exposing Terry Burke, former top DEA in Arizona as a
possible key element in the illegal narcotics network in Arizona, however,
was immediate and unmistakable. Within days of my FAXing this story I was
served with a court summons, a nasty death threat was left on my answering
machine and my offices were entered, my files, book cases and furniture
dumped and overturned.

The last few days there has been a 6 foot 6 inch Latino following myself and
an associate. He makes the top hit man for the Medellin cartel look like a
sissy. Since Terry Burke, the former CIA station chief in Laos who
administered the Phoenix Assassination Program has been closely associated
with Theodore Shackley since 1962, this revelation coming in the wake of the
unsolved Buddhist murders must have sent shock waves far and wide. Ted
Shackley was George Bush's number 2 man at CIA when Bush was CIA Director.
Among those in the know, Ted Shackley and an operative named Richard Armitage
are the weakest points in the armor of George Bush and the New World Order.

More significantly, I am tempted to speculate that this revelation, coupled
with my suggestion of a probable heroin connection to the military style
execution of the 9 Buddhist monks, lead to the panic arrest of five innocent
Tucson kids for the murder of the monks. Supposedly, on the basis of a tip
received Sept. 3 from a patient in a mental hospital, the deputies of
Maricopa County Sheriff, Tom Agnos, arrested and charged four hispanic and
one black youth, all selected from the poorest neighborhoods of Tucson. It
was apparent from the start that this action was bogus.

First, law enforcement alleged that these youths stole a late model Bronco
and a Blazer that were seen at the Temple the day of the crime. These
vehicles were never reported stolen! Where are these vehicles today? If these
kids were in fact criminal elements, wouldn't they have driven these four
wheeled all terrain vehicles across the border to Mexico where they would
have been worth more than in the U.S.? They could have made a quick $15,000
doing this. I visited the Temple. It is more than obvious that there was
nothing of value there.

Rapidly the case against the kids began disintegrating. One suspect was
working at a dog track during the murders and was video taped performing his
duties. He had to be released. It soon became clear that there was no
physical evidence linking the youths to the crime --- only their confessions
  confessions that the Dean of the Law School at ASU says can not be used
in court because they were so obviously coerced. It turns out that the
deputies worked on the youths for 12 hours in separate rooms with no windows
--- no food or water --- in the midst of serious threats.
One youth was told that he would be "found in a lake with an anchor wrapped
around his neck if he did not cooperate". This precess took place not at polic
e headquarters but in separate rooms of a hotel. The attorney for Dante
Parker, said to be the ringleader, has submitted a list of 25 witnesses that
say the suspect never left Tucson the night in question.

The Thai ambassador "just happened to be in Phoenix" for the arrests. During
one short sound byte he repeated three times that his being in Phoenix was
just coincidence. His praise for Arizona law enforcement sounded a bit too
lavish for the circumstances. All readers can be assured that the smiling
Thai ambassador is no stranger to the politics of heroin in Southeast Asia.
Equally as disingenuous was the statement of the Sheriff that there was no
racism involved in the crime  (but only in the selection process of the
scapegoats.)

When Lt. Col. James Bo Gritz returned to the Golden Triangle of Burma in 1987
to video tape the drug overlord, General Khun Sa, naming the names of the
U.S. officials who were the general's largest customers for heroin, he was
startled to find that a two lane highway had been constructed in the 5 months
since he was last there. This highway, which went right to the general's
front door, was built by the Thai government using Rome plows left over from
the Vietnam war. Coming out, as the Colonel went in, were 10 ton trucks,
covered and loaded, with the Thai Army insignia on the side. There is only
one product that comes out of the Golden Triangle  heroin! It is a
certainty that the smiling Thai ambassador has an accounting of every truck.

The importance of the discovery of this heroin highway lies in the fact that
what 

Re: [CTRL] M.L.King murder reinvestigated

1999-11-26 Thread Tatman, Robert

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That Mannlicher Carcano is a *bolt-action* rifle, and even the best
sharpshooter can't work the bolt fast enough to get off the number of rounds
required by the "lone gunman" hypothesis.

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 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] M.L.King murder reinvestigated

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 In a message dated 11/24/99 4:13:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:

  So what else is new?  I've read that the Mannlicher Carcano found in the
   Texas Book Depository which "lone gunman" Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly
 used
   to kill Kennedy had debris in its barrel (ask any skilled rifleman what
 that
   does) and that its scope was dusty and wobbly.  The Marines had the
 entire
   armed services' most decorated sniper attempt to duplicate the
 miraculous
   sequence of shots that killed Kennedy.  Even using a stationary rather
 than
   moving target, firing from the same angle at the same distance, the
   military's top sniper could not hit the designated target accurately
 beyond
   the first shot, although equalling "Oswald's" speed in firing several
 shots,
   each time resighting.
   Do those facts, plus Oswald's poor performance on the firing range
 while he
   was in the
   Marines, support our belief that JFK died from an "amateur" hit by a
 "lone
   gunman"?

 You're right of course.  Incidentally the scope on the MC gun of Oswald
 fame
 was said to be so bad that the "experts" had to insert shims into it so
 that
 it would be even reasonably accurate.  Additionally I am told that the
 weapon
 itself is of such low quality that no one would ever use it for anything
 (at
 least those who know guns).  MLK's death and the detritus floating around
 about it are par for the course.



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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roami ng the Net?

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 11/26/99 10:23:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hey, maybe THAT explains the knee-jerk responses from so many people on the
list... Kris, we need to work up a Turing test for members of CTRL. Only the
ones who are capable of thinking independently stay on, the robots get
dumped...
 

Robots are only as good as their programming, kinda like "people."  Robots
would be a superior step to simple monitoring. Could actually program
disruptions and robot flame wars to incite and harden sides, create
divisions, cointelpro tactics are definately textbook enough to program, and
a team of operators could disrupt plenty of forums and funding could be
acquired under the new "info war" ageis. The targeting teams psy make-up
would have to be selected so as to inure problems of defection, because the
exposure to the very infromation they are monitoring "corrupts" them. With
the disruptions in information and in the "mind-control slave-project", that
would seem to leave a dwindling supply of "team players", cults and zombified
people blinded by  greed and lusts for __ . The bankruptcy and corruption of
the ruling elite is become more transparent everyday. The most enduring
question is the US military.  For they are the 'superior physical force' and
no matter the position of the conspirators, whether they are running
deepblack projects and hijacked projects from the  US defense department, it
still gets down to trigger fingers and physical control and SUBJUGATION of
populations.  I do not believe they truly have the means to "turn a switch"
and make the population do as they want nor do they have the personnel needed
to be fully operational.

The culture continues to exceed the boundaries of the conspitorial framework
and the fabians  ship is sprouting leaks and life rafts. Will the call go
out,"Everyman for themselfs'" and will the captain go down with the ship?

Now is the time for all good men and women come to the aid of their country.

Om
k


The spirit quickenings.
Shake and bend like a willow tree.
Don't just stand the crying for mercy
But lend a hand and set us free.

Om
k
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
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Amen.
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Re: [CTRL] Turkey Day

1999-11-26 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Wild turkeys are anything but fat. They are big, canny, strong, aggressive
birds, superbly camouflaged...a far cry from the inbred, stupid, overfat
domestic variety. Franklin knew what he was talking about. Eagles are
carrion-eaters and cowards, often stealing prey from other birds--hardly a
fit image for a young revolutionary country. Why are eagles associated with
war and conquest? Simple: as carrion eaters, they are to be found in large
numbers, along with vultures, crows, ravens, and similar birds, on
battlefields, feasting on the remains. Early warriors came to the conclusion
that they came to carry away the souls of the dead, and so began to worship
them as totems. "Where the body is found, there will the eagles be
gathered." I'd much rather have Franklin's model for the Great Seal: on the
obverse, a turkey; on the reverse, a picture of the Boston Tea Party, with
the motto "Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God."

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 Subject:  [CTRL] Turkey Day

  -Caveat Lector-

 Now, on to our annual ritual sacrifice of the fat, stupid, noisy bird
 which,
 versus the bald eagle, was Ben Franklin's choice for the animal most
 symbolic
 of the American people.

 Chow down, bankers and politicians.  (And what did you use for "stuffing"
 THIS year?)

 Gobble-gobble-gobble ...

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[CTRL] Sinister Masonic secrets of the Oklahoma City bombing

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:alt.conspiracy
As, always, Caveat Lector
Om
K
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Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:574513"Sinister Masonic
secrets of the Oklahoma City bombing/A
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Subject: Sinister Masonic secrets of the Oklahoma City bombing
From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A
(Kansan1225)
Date: Fri, 26 November 1999 12:53 PM EST
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  Those who know that JFK's murder was a Luciferian Masonic
human sacrifice realize that Dallas was picked as the site of sacrifice
because it is located close to the 33rd degree of north geographical
latitude.

  Other cities close to this 33rd degree are:

  ***  Tyre, Lebanon:  Home of King Hiram and Hiram Abiff,
the Dynamic Duo of Masonic mythology.

  ***  Charleston, SC:  The original site of Scottish Rite Masonry
in the U.S.

  ***  Phoenix, AZ:  The mythical phoenix commits suicide
to procreate.  This mythical bird is the real bird of New Atlantis,
a.k.a. the U.S.A.;  it presently masquerades as the queer bald
eagle.

  ***  Warm Springs, GA:  Site of Brother Franklin Delano
Roosevelt's "sudden death" in April 1945.  FDR was the previous
President to be sacrificed in office, the one just before JFK,
according to the 19-year Metonic cycle of the moon.

  During my investigations of the Oklahoma City bombing I was
struck by the following "coincidences":

  !!!  Waco, TX:  Site of the Holocaust that supposedly triggered
Timothy "Macbeth" McVeigh.  It lies along U.S. Highway 77.

  !!!  Junction City, KS:  Town where McVeigh rented the
bomb truck.  It lies along U.S. Highway 77.

  !!!  Herington, KS:  Domicile of co-conspirator Terry Nichols.
It lies along U.S. 77.

  !!!  Geary State Fishing Lake (Geary County, KS):  Site where
the bomb was put together, according to the Government's case.
It lies along U.S. 77.

  !!!  Oklahoma City, OK:  Site of the attack.  It lies along U.S. 77.

  !!!  Perry, OK:  Site of the county jail where McVeigh was
taken to after his original arrest.  It lies along U.S. 77.

  These "coincidences" started me thinking about the number 77.
Finally, I found this passage in the Bible:

  "And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah.  'Hear my voice:
ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech:  for I have slain a man
to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.  If Cain shall be
avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold."
(Genesis, 4:23-24)

  This Lamech was a descendant of the first murderer, Cain, and
father of the twins Tubal-Cain, a boy, and Naamah, a girl.  Tubal-Cain,
 "an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron", is a favorite of
Luciferian Free Masons, who consider him to be the forefather of
Hiram Abiff.  Hiram Abiff, of course, is the supposed architect of
Solomon's Temple and the central hero of Masonic mythology.

  My further investigations added these "coincidences" to the
above list:

  !!!  Waco, TX:  Site of the aforementioned Holocaust, it is
also the site of the Masonic Grand Lodge of Texas.  Waco is
along U.S. 77.

  !!!  Dallas, TX:  Site of the JFK oblation.  It also lies
along U.S. 77.

  !!!  Guthrie, OK.  Site of the Masonic Grand Lodge
of Oklahoma.  It also lies along U.S. 77.

  !!!  Lincoln, NE:  Named for the sacrificed Abraham
Lincoln, an earlier victim of the 19-year Metonic cycle of
the moon.  It also lies along U.S. 77.

  The above are just some of the sinister Masonic secrets
of the Oklahoma City bombing.

  For more information about the secret nature of Luciferian Masonry and
satanic Zionism, please visit the "Dark Millennium" Web site at:

  A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/index.html"http://www.angelfi
re.com/wy/1000/index.html/A

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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
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[CTRL] Cyber threats catch US spies on the hop

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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As, always, Caveat Lector
Om
K
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Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:574454"Cyber threats
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Subject: Cyber threats catch US spies on the hop
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Date: Fri, 26 November 1999 09:02 AM EST
Message-id: 81m3tv$g1j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]

November 26 1999The Times

Cyber threats catch US spies on the hop
FROM JAMES BONE IN NEW YORK

The "information revolution" is overwhelming the eavesdropping capacity of the
United States and may force a restructuring at the nation's largest spy
agency, reports suggest.

Informed sources told CNN that the 38,000-strong National Security Agency
(NSA), which employs more than twice as many people as the Central
Intelligence Agency, is considering a significant reorganisation to meet the
demands of the Internet era.

The NSA, based at Fort Meade outside Washington, is so secretive that its
acronym is sometimes said to stand for "No Such Agency" or "Never Say
Anything". Yet, equipped with the world's fastest supercomputers and working
with allies such as Britain's GCHQ, it produces an estimated 80 per cent of
America's intelligence.

The growth of digital technology and sophisticated encryption, and the
proliferation of threats since the collapse of the Soviet Union, is said to
be stretching the agency's ability to keep track of communications around the
world.

At the same time, the transition from analog to digital phones, the prevalence
of fax machines, and the increasing use of fibre optic cable, all make
electronic eavesdropping more complex, as does the wider availability of
encryption software that can be used by criminals and spies to encode their
communications.

The NSA recently became embroiled in controversy when an Ontario-based
computer consultant claimed to have identified its secret backdoor - called
"NSAKEY" - into Microsoft's Windows operating systems. Both the agency and
Microsoft denied that it had special access to encrypted Windows files.

Besides generating huge amounts of e-mail, the Internet has also created a
mountain of publicly available information that the NSA must monitor - a
labour-intensive task.

The agency has recently had to resort to recruiting known hackers because of
the shortage of computer security experts.

Despite their anti-establishment bent, hackers have been offered a four-year
college scholarship in return for working at the NSA during their holidays
and spending at least five years there after graduation.

But US officials caution that the country might not be ready for a sneak
cyber-attack - sometimes known as an "electronic Pearl Harbour".

There are fears that hackers around the world will mount a concerted assault
on government and business computer systems at New Year to try to exploit the
Y2K computer bug.
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
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Re: [CTRL] History: Accident or Coincidence?

1999-11-26 Thread Tatman, Robert

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See Barbara Tuchman, *The Zimmermann Telegram* for a fascinating account of
how German stupidity and British conspiracy combined to force Wilson's hand
and draw the United States into WW1...

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 Each of them initiated American involvement in the four major
 wars of this century: World War I World War II, and the Korean and
 Vietnam
 conflicts.

 Bull.

 WWI had been going on for 4 years before the U.S. got involved, for more
 convoluted reasons than the personal desire of Wilson.

 Most people would argue that Hitler's invasion of various European
 countries and especially Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor led to American
 involvement.

 And the U.S. first became involved in Vietnam during Eisenhower's
 administration, escalating during Kennedy's and Johnson's terms...

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[CTRL] Antigravity and the Advanced Physics of Joshua …

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.stormloader.com/joshua/
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.stormloader.com/joshua/"Antigravity and the
Advanced Physics of Joshua …/A
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Hello friends, and welcome.  My name is Joshua Gulick. I am a twenty-five
year old theorist.  My backgound is in the biological sciences, but I have
been self-taught in cosmology and physics using available texts, supplemented
with theories and research data culled from the internet.  I thank God for
the blessing which has allowed me to explore and find truths of physics.   On
this website you will explainations for many mysteries.  I hope you enjoy my
website and find it useful or at least though-provoking.  I also hope that
you will let me know  your thoughts on these subjects.
 Breaking News

11/23/99
Okay, here's another new one.  I figure out how to use gravity as a energy
source.  Yep.  It's true.  Check out the link for my gravity powered wheel.

11/18/99
I have finally finished my patent application and now have patent pending
status.  If you want to see pictures of my patent pending super-efficient
light beam shaping and focusing system (with reflectors and reflectorless
designs), please click on the link to the right.  I have also determined my
next quest and will share that with you after I do some calculations.  I
could use the help of a programmer.  I need to do some calculations that are
accurate to at least 100 or 200 decimal places.  If you can help, please let
me know.

11/3/99
Hi there, lately I have been working on a patent application, so I have not
been able to do much deep thinking or experiments.  However, I did get around
to a little initial exploration of Phi-based resonances.  The first offspring
of this is my latest paper that explains nicely how our time periods of the
hour, minute, and second were chosen.

1026/99
Wow, it has been over a month since I last updated my website.  I appologize,
but would like to explain that the reason was my involvement in a production
of Shakespeare's "Twelfth Night" at the local college here.  I was Duke
Orsino.  It took all of my time, but it is now over.

And I have a treat for you.  I hope it makes up for my absence.  I have just
added a new article on exactly how atomic transmutation works.  You won't
find information like this anywhere else.  I figured it out two days ago
while pacing back and forth behind the counters at work.  I think better when
I'm pacing, I guess.  Make some gold... make whatever you want!

Peace to you and God bless.

9/22/99

Pay no attention to the dour-looking picture that I have up of myself right
now.  I was in a bit of a mood when I put that up yesterday.  Normally, I
look quite happy and joyful.

Will Talmadge did a bit of magnificent artwork.  He created a graphic which
shows the construction and repulsion field directions of a cigar-shaped
craft.  It is a must see.  Visit this link to see the picture.

I hope you all have great enjoyment and experience much wonder today.

9/21/99
Hello visitors to my webpage!  I have figured out gravity and e-m and scalar
wave creation... again!  My explaination is more logical now, relying on pure
stretching of space rather than an inability of waves to intersect.  Check
out "How Electro-magnetic Radiation is Born" and "What is Gravity?"
I have also been working on setting up that research group/think tank.  Five
members already!  I have also been doing a bit of inventing with regards
to recreation equipment.  I haven't followed up on the milk experiment,
though.  I should get to it soon.  And the caduceus staff, too.  Anyways,
join the research group.  It will be worth your while.

9/11/99
First the milk.  It went a bit sourish between the sixth and seventh day
under the pyramid.  On the eighth day, I threw it out.  So, my pyramid had a
definite effect on the souring period.  Better tests will follow.

I received an e-mail from a fellow who said that milk is packaged in
tetrahedric or octahedric packaging in what used to be Yugoslavia for this
very purpose.  So there!  Can anyone confirm this?
I'm now twenty-five.

I'm still working on setting up the research group/ think tank.  I will post
what I have so far here.  Please join us.  That's right, there are already a
few members!  Perhaps this group will have a large effect and make its
members lots of money.

My message board was deleted.  It was on a different server.  It's a good
time to start over anyways.
I think some of you have a sense of humor.  So, after some hesitation, I have
decided to add a link to another site that I put up last Christmas.  It was a
present to my good friend, James.   But, he didn't like that I gave him a
cult for Christmas after people started calling him at all hours, so he gave
it back to me.  I hope you can take the joke.  I lost my password for the
server account a long time ago, and so I can't delete the site, or even
update it.  Uhh... there are some links on this site to even older sites of
mine.  I just though 

[CTRL] CIA Conference

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:alt.conspiracy
As, always, Caveat Lector
Om
K
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  Polluting the Future

  Below is further commentary of the CIA's efforts again to prove
that "it got it right" re the demise of the USSR. First, extracts
from an article in the Washington Post, next, briefcommentary, and lastly,
records from CIABASE files.

  CIA's failure to foresee the fall of the Soviet Union is an article
of faith among agency bashers. CIA officials are hoping to lay it to rest
during a three-day conference on "U.S. Intel and the End of the Cold War"
at Texas AM U's Bush School of Government and Public Service.
Lloyd D. Salvetti, director of CIA's Center for the Study of Intel,
which is co-sponsoring the conference has a 378-page volume of 24
intelligence estimates on the USSR from 1988 to 1991--declassified
for the conference.  "The assertions that CIA got it blatantly wrong
are unfounded," said Lloyd D. Salvetti, director of the CIA's Center
for the Study of Intelligence, which is co-sponsoring the conference.
The agency's evidence: a 378-page volume of 24 intelligence estimates
on the Soviet Union from 1988 to 1991--declassified for the conference.
Washington Post 11/19/99 A43.

  A CIA Soviet-Demise study on the accuracy of its intelligence
was produced some time ago and was thoroughly discredited at that time.
The study, dated 5/96, also by the CIA's Center for the Study of
Intelligence is titled: "CIA Assessments of the Soviet Union:
The Record Versus the Charges."

  It in part says "...highly sensitive intelligence analysis on the
USSR has also been released...More than 450 National Intelligence
Estimates on the USSR...have been sanitized and made available.
Most were declassified in 1993 and 1994..."

  The CIA works overtime defending and propagandizing the past
via domestic press operations, Hollywood films, Television programs,
and scholastic forums.

  The CIA will never, can never, develop the expertise
Tenet so vehemently and frequently exhorts until it ceases defending, rather
than honestly examining its past. Tenet and others deceive themselves
and us to augment their future. Is this important? Is developing
anti-terrorist, anti-WMD, and anti-narcotics abilities important?
Or is it all smoke and mirrors?

Ralph McGehee
A HREF="http://come.to/CIABASE"http://come.to/CIABASE/A

Entries from CIABASE

  ussr, russia, east europe,  81-97  collapse of warsaw pact nations
  surprised u.s. policymakers. president bush had no idea berlin wall coming
  down and nsc adviser brent scowcroft could recall no CIA warning about the
  ussr demise. general powell, reagan's national security adviser said CIA
  analysts could not anticipate events better than a layman watching tv.
  former dci turner charges CIA missed by a mile and should not gloss over
  the enormity of this failure to forecast the magnitude of the soviet
  crisis. george shultz, the sos, said that "CIA analysis was distorted by
  strong views about policy" and accused casey of bum dope. (details). this
  part of deliberate effort by casey and gates to slant intel re the ussr.
  they used many methods to accomplish this. gates acknowledged casey on
  issue after issue presented intel framed on policy he wanted to pursue.
  gates and CIA were wrong on biggest intel issues of the cold war: the
  strength of the ussr and the intentions of its leaders. foreign policy 3/97
  129-30

  ussr,  85-90  cia's day-to-day political reporting on the soviet union was
  accurate, but limited by no inside sources. we did not get a broader
  perspective. inside cia's analytical office there was a growing concern
  that the downward spiraling ussr economy could not sustain military
  programs. lack of communication between economists and military experts
  seemed hopeless. head of that office, was doug maceachin. top officials
  viewed gates as an advocate that nothing of consequence was happening - i
  was uneasy with our analysis - however i might defend it externally. i
  funded a group of outside experts headed by harry rowen that was critical
  of cia's statistical portrayal of the ussr economy. the effect [of all the
  events in 89] were unforeseen by the CIA. the CIA had no idea in january 89
  that a tidal wave of history re the ussr was about to happen. gates, r.
  (1996). from the shadows 386-7,439-49

  60-93  u.s. has been surprised 

[CTRL] Cayce readings database...

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:alt.conspiracy
As, always, Caveat Lector
Om
K
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Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:572320"Cayce readings
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Happy earthchanges,
Daniel J Min-
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

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[CTRL] Fwd: David Icke responds to a letter in Nexus magazine

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan






In reply to a "Letters to the Editor" from one Ivan Fraser,
who, among other things,
claimed to have edited David's new book, "The Biggest Secret",
appeared the following letter and reply from David Icke to Nexus magazine.

And a reply from Duncan Roads the editor follows.

...

From: Nexus [Magazine] Vol.7, No:1, Dec. '99 - Jan. 2000.


Shapeshifting Claims:

Dear NEXUS:

I am reluctant to interrupt this gathering of the Sir Laurence Gardner
Appreciation Society, but I'm afraid that, in the interests of accuracy, I
am compelled to do so, albeit for only a moment.

Ivan Fraser claims in your Letters to the Editor last issue that he
"edited" my book, The Biggest Secret... Mr Fraser was merely employed to
proofread The Biggest Secret for typing and spelling errors...

[I removed several paragraphs of unnecessary personal slander about Ivan at
this point. Ed.]

He says that his "own research" is in line with that of Sir Laurence
Gardner, documenter of Star Fire blood-drinking rituals and head of the
ancient Royal Court of the Dragon, which is fronted by those who claim
ancestry from the "dragon" "royal" bloodlines - the bloodlines, I would
suggest, which were seeded by the reptilian Anunnaki.

But, astonishing as this may be to Mr Fraser, the fact that both he and Sir
Laurence Gardner say the same things is no confirmation whatsoever that
their research is true and accurate.

I note with interest that Sir Laurence ridicules the idea that those of the
"dragon" bloodlines, as he calls them, are actually reptilian crossbreeds
and sometimes shapeshifters. He notes how such stories were rife in the
ancient world, but says it is "difficult to comprehend in these more
levelheaded times " that " anyone believed such nonsense".

Well, unfortunately, Sir Laurence, endless numbers of people all over the
world are having the same experience today of seeing those of the "dragon"
bloodlines shapeshift, just like the ancients did, and what I find hard to
comprehend is how you can be so astonishingly ignorant of this. If, indeed,
you really are.

I further find it difficult to perceive that the obvious diversion and
smokescreen about these bloodlines coming from "Jesus" can go on being
promoted by a man who claims expertise in history and genealogy. Or how
anyone who does the most minimal research into the existence of "Jesus"
could believe such claptrap.

Sir Laurence dismisses the idea of shapeshifting reptilians as ridiculous,
despite the endless ancient and modern accounts, while, at the same time,
asking us to believe that fictional characters like Jesus and Mary
Magdalene (creations of the Roman Piso family) could seed bloodlines. Are
we now to believe, Sir Laurence, that Jack and Jill, Snow White and
Cinderella also seeded bloodlines, which should today be considered worthy
of royal title? Should someone not launch a Royal Court of the Tom and Jerry?

Mr Fraser and others also constantly attack Arizona Wilder without ever
bothering to research her background in any way. Arizona, whose Illuminati
code name was, interestingly, "Star Fire" - after the blood-drinking
rituals she conducted in a mind-controlled state - has more guts in her
smallest digit than Mr Fraser and co. will have if they live to be a thousand.

He, Sir Laurence Gardner, Duncan Roads and NEXUS can go on for as long as
they like dismissing and ridiculing the existence of shapeshifting
reptilians among the elite "Grail" bloodlines through which they operate,
but if they only opened their eyes and minds (won't hold my breath) they
would see the fantastic evidence to confirm that this bizarre story is true.

That evidence is hurtling towards you like a runaway truck, and you are all
going to have to eat so much humble pie you will need life membership of
Weight Watchers.

David Icke, Ryde, Isle of Wight, England, UK

[Dear David: I am still waiting to see the 'fantastic evidence", or hear
from any of the "endless numbers of people...seeing those of the 'dragon'
bloodlines shapeshift".

I also note that the only person doing the "attacking" at your website
discussion areas is yourself Surely your "research" can stand up to a bit
of well-meaning scrutiny, without your resorting to insulting those who
seek further clarification of your claims.

And finally, for the record, I would like to point out that I have no
problem believing in the existence of shapeshifting reptilian aliens. I DO
have a problem believing that Arizona Wilder (your star witness) saw Sir
Lawrence Gardner and Zachariah Sitchin shapeshifting into reptilian aliens
at some satanic ritual where she was the Illuminati High Priestess or
whatever.
That's all. Ed]






Re: [CTRL] FW: Independent Media Center at WTO

1999-11-26 Thread Tatman, Robert

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I had no trouble accessing it. Was the error you got "Error 404"? That could
mean any number of things, including transient Net conditions. Are you sure
you entered the URL correctly?

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 On 24 Nov 99, at 4:58, Dave wrote:

   www.indymedia.org.

 I tried to go to this site and was told it was "forbidden"!
 sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy Seems No Better Than Placebo in Preventing Migraine

1999-11-26 Thread Tatman, Robert

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I *have* studied homeopathy (not thoroughly, but enough to educate myself),
and I am convinced that it works. It doesn't work all the time, for
everyone, any more than allopathy ("orthodox" medicine) works all the time,
for everyone. But it works often enough to demonstrate to my satisfaction
that it's valid. I know for a fact that the only medication that will
consistently relieve my arthritic hands is a homeopathic gel containing rhus
toxicohedron, ledum palustre, and symphytum officianale, in a witch hazel
base; and as for migraines, I've found a preparation containing iris
versicolor to be very effective if I take it just when the headache begins
(probably more effective than "mainstream" medications). I noted with
interest that iris was NOT listed among the homeopathic remedies included in
the literature review described in this article. As with anything, there is
a large element of observer bias here; a believer will invariably get
positive results, a skeptic will get ambiguous or negative results.

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  Professional skeptics are paid disinformation specialists.
   The most famous ones are "the amazing Randy" - a stage magician, and
 some
   fool named "Barrett" who is still trying to convince people that
 acupuncture
   is "quackery"
   Shannon is generally beneath notice, yet seems to take great delight in
   spreading old and tired disinformation about homeopathy... oh well...
 guess
   he's gotta earn a few extra bucks a day for his viagra.
 
   Dave Hartley
   http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave
 

 I don't know if Homeopathy is any good or not, never having studied it at
 all, but I do believe that if people want to try it and some of them even
 "think" it is effective and it "works" for them then it is a BIG THUMBS UP
 from me!  As fo the "Amazing Randi", he is much as you describe him and a
 total waste of space besides, who spends all of his time "debunking"
 so-called paranormal phenomenon etc.  He frequently ignores and does not
 report on evidence and statistical results that contradict his debunking
 explanation.  Even A.C. Clarke was chagrined with Randi when they looked
 at
 dowsing and there was some statistical evidence that dowsers were able to
 find water (well above chance in a controlled field study), but Randi
 ignored
 those findings and declared ALL dowsing ineffective bugaboo based on
 another
 portion of the test which had the dowsers try to find buried metals (which
 they were no better than chance in being able to find).  Randi represents
 entrenched materialist science, refusing to see past the end of his nose
 and
 suddenly going deaf, dumb and blind when evidence is presented that is not
 within his paradigm.
 That being said there is SCANT evidence for any of the phenomena that he
 debunks, BUT that still does not warrant the automatic gainsaying of it
 all.



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Re: [CTRL] Sinister Masonic secrets of the Oklahoma City bombing

1999-11-26 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara

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Great post! Thanks, Kris.

On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:25:28 EST, Kris Millegan wrote:

Subject: Sinister Masonic secrets of the Oklahoma City bombing

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[CTRL] Millenium Round of the WTO under fire ...... from both left and right

1999-11-26 Thread Michael Pugliese



"Millenium Round" of the WTO under fire 
... ... from both left and right by Alain 
Kessi When in May last year the World Trade Organization 
organized its second Ministerial Conference in Geneva eight thousand 
people took to the streets in Geneva, and tens of thousands world-wide 
in decentralized actions in order to protest against the power relations 
that the WTO helps imposing.[1] Some of the strategists of deregulation 
seem to be shaking with the shock. When on 23 September of the same year 
UN representatives and top managers of corporations met at the 
Geneva Business Dialogue, Helmut Maucher - President of the 
ICC-WBO (International Chamber of Commerce / World Business 
Organization) and Chairman of the Board of Nestlé -, who had called the 
meeting, felt obliged to castigate the protests - whose organizers 
"would do well to seek legitimacy" - and call on the state governments 
to fulfil their policing duties. Now it seems like 
things might get even better in Seattle where from 30 November to 3 
December the third Ministerial Conference is going to take place. 
Already in the preparation phase the WTO is struggling with problems of 
legitimacy. "All you have to do is read the newspaper to know that the 
anti-WTO forces have been more effective, thus far, than we have," 
laments Scot Montrey, spokesman for the U.S. Alliance for Trade 
Expansion, a US coordination of large corporations.[2] Michael Dolan, 
who is coorganizing the protests and is a deputy director of Public 
Citizen's Global Trade Watch, a group founded by Ralph Nader, rejoices: 
"I was thrilled when Seattle was selected," said. "It's almost like 
they're giving us home-field advantage."[3] A whole range of 
activities are planned around the Ministerial Conference by radical left 
and progressive grassroots groups, NGOs and trade unions: from street 
theater and actions of civil disobedience all the way to large 
demonstrations. Kept at a distance by the aforementioned organizers, but 
nevertheless quite present in the weeks leading up to the protests are 
extreme-right Republicans as well as conservative environmental 
organizations with essentialist lines of argument like the Sierra Club. 
While the Republicans demand - just like the radical left - that the US 
government leave the WTO, the Sierra Club wants - like the established 
leftist NGOs - that "civil society", meaning themselves, be given a 
place in the decision-making process of the WTO. The 
blurring of the difference between left-wing and right-wing approaches 
is especially visible in Seattle. The city council has declared a 
MAI-free zone (MAI - Multilateral Agreement on Investment) on the city 
territory. The symbolic anti-globalization measure was proposed by Brian 
Derdowski, Republican member of the King County council, where another 
such zone has been implemented.[4] On a US-wide level John 
Talbott, spokesperson for the Reform Party, does not see much difference 
between Ralph Nader on the left and Pat Buchanan on the right when they 
talk about globalization, and proposes that a new party be created that 
is neither right nor left, but created to represent the hard-working 
average American. In this he closes his eyes on Pat Buchanan's racist, 
sexist and homophobic attitude. The latter's right-wing "producerist"[5] 
populism refers to a hard-working productive middle class and working 
class being squeezed from above and below by "lazy social 
parasites".[6] What has gone awry, if one of the greatest 
leftist mobilizations of the past years - the one against "free" trade, 
against "globalization", against "transnational corporations" and 
especially against the MAI - is so attractive for right-wing 
conservative groups? In June 1999 the Dutch antiracist group De 
Fabel van de illegaal, whose work had greatly contributed to building a 
strong movement against the MAI, decided to leave the campaigns against 
"free trade". "After taking a closer look we concluded that to take 
'free trade' as a primary target is not a logical choice based on a 
radical Left analysis, but instead comes more from a New Right 
analysis," the group explained in an open letter in September 1999. A 
year before that already, in October 1998, they had published a first 
discussion paper: "With 'New Right' against Globalization?"[7] They 
followed it up with a series of articles dealing with the weaknesses of 
the discourse on "globalization" and "free trade" as well as with people 
serving as intermediaries between left-wing and right-wing activists and 
groups. In his analysis of the crisis of antiracism, 
Pierre-André Taguieff describes the appropriation of leftist discourses 
by the neoracists as retorsion (not in the sense of revenge, but in a 
slightly less common French meaning of the use of an argument against 
its author)[8] This raises the question of when a leftist discourse is 
open to retorsion. Or the other way around: How would a discourse have 
to be structured 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

1999-11-26 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Perhaps we reincarnate into reverse time, and our future lives are actually
in the present-time past. Thus science-fiction writers are the only ones who
actually remember the past, which at the moment is still in the future. Yep.


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# The Universe may contain regions where time runs backwards. THE
Universe
  may contain regions where milk would stir itself out of coffee and
eggs
  would un-break, sez a New York physicist. The idea that there may
be
  regions where time runs backwards could explain invisible dark
matter.
  This kind of matter, invoked by cosmologists to explain the
movement of
  galaxies, could originate in a future contracting phase of the
Universe.
  Grave-to-cradle security:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/991124/18/bo71.html

: Do you prefer time to run forwards, backwards, sideways,
upside-down, in a
spiral, or random jig-jags? Have you designed/built/used time
machines that
explore each possible geometry? Where do you end up? DO you end up?
Is there
an end, beginning, midpoint? Is time a probabilistic cloud, temporal
fog??

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[CTRL] FW: UN Global Gun Grab

1999-11-26 Thread Fransy

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Vol. 15, No. 24
November 22, 1999

Global Gun Grab
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/11-22-99/vo15no24_gun.htm
by Thomas R. Eddlem

It's open season on the right to keep and bear arms as UN globocrats gear up
for international gun controls.
The United Nations is very troubled that the United States has retained its
Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees that "the right
of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Radical new UN
proposals treat free people with the means to effect their own self defense
as a vital threat to the United Nations and its quest for what it calls the
"peace-building process."
More troubling still is the fact that for the first time this radical UN
agenda represents a clear and present danger to our right to keep and bear
arms. This is in part because the Clinton State Department is collaborating
with the UN and its proposals. But another, perhaps more dangerous, prong of
the UN attack on the right to keep and bear arms comes from an insidious
quasi-private institution heavily funded by socialist Northern European
governments. This little-known, UN-backed organization charges itself with
developing "message strategies" and "campaigning and advocacy strategies" to
obtain a UN-managed global ban on the private ownership of firearms.
See:
DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277, THE UNITED STATES PROGRAM FOR GENERAL
AND COMPLETE DISARMAMENT IN A PEACEFUL WORLD
http://www.mikenew.com/pub7277.html

Anti-Gun Agenda
The United Nations "Report of the Group of Governmental Experts on Small
Arms" issued on August 19th bitterly complains that "there are wide
differences among States [nations] as regards which types of arms are
permitted for civilian possession, and as regards the circumstances under
which they can legitimately be owned, carried and used. Such wide variation
in national laws raise difficulties for effective regional or international
coordination." That the UN "experts" are complaining mainly about the United
States is made clear from the concluding recommendations in the report.
Among the "coordination" proposals adopted by the panel, enthusiastically
seconded by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan in his foreword to the report -
are the following:
* "All States should ensure that they have in place adequate laws,
regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over
the legal possession of small arms and light weapons and over their
transfer"
* "States are encouraged to integrate measures to control ammunition"
* "States should work toward ... the prohibition of unrestricted trade and
private ownership of small arms and light weapons"

The UN report defines small arms to include just about every category of
firearms that exists: "The category of small arms includes revolvers and
self-loading pistols, rifles and carbines, sub-machine guns, assault rifles
and light machine guns." The United Nations call for banning even hunting
rifles and antique revolvers from civilian possession demonstrates the
radical and groundbreaking nature of the report.
Though the current United Nations attack on the Second Amendment fails to
take aim at civilian possession of shotguns, shotgun owners should find no
security in the current UN focus. The UN report in no way limits global
firearms restrictions to "military"-related firearms such as "revolvers" and
"rifles." The UN "experts" explain that the United Nations must deal with
firearms on social as well as military criteria: "Virtually every part of
the United Nations system is dealing in one way or another with the
consequences of the armed conflicts, insecurity, violence, crime, social
disruption, displaced peoples and human suffering that are directly or
indirectly associated with the wide availability and the use of these
weapons."
To implement their gun control measures, UN officials plan to ignore the
reservation of national sovereignty guaranteed in the UN Charter the same
way that the U.S. 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

1999-11-26 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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--
 From: Tatman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2
 Date: Friday, November 26, 1999 1:55 PM

  -Caveat Lector-

 Perhaps we reincarnate into reverse time, and our future lives are
actually
 in the present-time past. Thus science-fiction writers are the only ones
who
 actually remember the past, which at the moment is still in the future.
Yep.

Would that be the time line when JR wasn't shot and the shower scene really
was dream?

Hilary

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[CTRL] Scales in the Balance

1999-11-26 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From http://www.emperors-clothes.com/news/mandel.htm


{{Begin}}
Report: Meeting with Carla del Ponte on NATO Crimes of War
by Michael Mandel (posted 11-26-99)

Toronto lawyer David Jacobs and I met with the new Chief Prosecutor of the
International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia at Tribunal
headquarters in The Hague on Friday November 19. The meeting lasted an hour and
a half and was attended by the Prosecutor, Justice Carla Del Ponte (of
Switzerland) and two of her Senior Legal Advisers, William Fenrick (of Canada)
and Gavin Ruxton (of Scotland).

This was the second meeting we have had in the Hague -- the first was with
former Prosecutor Justice Louise Arbour -- in pursuance of our complaint
against 68 named leaders of NATO and the NATO countries for war crimes
committed in Yugoslavia during the bombing campaign of March 24 - June 10.
At our meeting with the Prosecutor we delivered a written brief outlining our
case and three thick volumes of evidence documenting the war crimes. The brief
is attached.

In our brief and in our oral argument we made the following points:

1.. That there is overwhelming evidence of war crimes, crimes against humanity
and grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions committed by the named leaders,
involving the willful killing and injury of thousands of civilians, as well as
the destruction of billions of dollars worth of civilian property;

2.. That this was deliberate on the part of the named leaders and that there
was no lawful excuse, the war being illegal from start to finish;

3.. That whatever the responsibilities of the Balkan actors themselves, an
enormous measure of moral and legal responsibility for the ongoing disaster in
the Former Yugoslavia must be placed squarely on the shoulders of the NATO
leaders;

4.. That the evidence was so strong that it warranted the addition of a count
of murder contrary to Article 5 (a) of the Tribunal Statute for each of the
civilians on all sides killed during the attack and in its violent aftermath,
continuing to this day in Kosovo;

5.. That to the list of the named accused (which includes all the heads of
government, foreign ministers and defence ministers of the NATO countries, as
well as the leaders of NATO itself) must be added the name of Lt. General
Michael C. Short, who has emerged as one of the main protagonists propelling
NATO towards the commission of war crimes;

6.. That the prosecutor is under a legal duty to indict each of the
named leaders;

7.. That this is not only a requirement of law, it is a requirement of justice
to the victims and of deterrence to powerful countries such as those in NATO
who, in their military might and in their control over the media, are lacking
in any other natural restraint such as might deter less powerful
countries;

8.. That the decision during the war to indict Milosevic and other members of
the Serb leadership placed an especially heavy duty on the Prosecutor to indict
the NATO leaders, because the failure to do so allowed
the Tribunal to be used as a crucial propaganda device by the NATO countries to
help fight their illegal, aggressive war;

9.. That the continued failure to indict NATO leaders falsely legitimates the
crippling sanctions being imposed on Yugoslavia

10.. That there is highly credible evidence that the United States intended the
Tribunal for just these propaganda purposes;

11.. That the decision by Judge Arbour to indict Milosevic in the midst of the
attack raised serious questions about the impartiality of the Tribunal; and

12.. That the failure to indict NATO would be a mortal blow to the credibility
of the Tribunal because the world believes the NATO leadership to be at least
as guilty of war crimes as the Serbian leadership, if not guiltier.

During the presentation of our arguments and the evidence we had the
opportunity to engage in a fairly free-ranging discussion of some of the legal
and evidential issues raised by the case. The question of the relevance of the
illegality of the war to NATO leaders' liability was raised by one of the
Prosecutor's advisers. He took the position that the illegality of the attack
itself, and by extension everything necessarily incidental to it, could not
form the basis of a war crimes charge. We took the position that this was an
unduly narrow and, indeed, incorrect reading of the Statute and that it would
have the effect of immunizing war criminals of the powerful countries for some
of the most terrible crimes. We also pointed out that the NATO leaders'
criminal liability was based not only the illegality of the war, but also the
criminal means by which it was carried out, including the deliberate strategy
of terrorizing the civilian population.

The Prosecutor herself suggested that the cases of Milosevic and NATO were very
different; but we argued that, however that might be, legally and morally
speaking the NATO leaders were still guilty of very serious crimes that had
caused at least as 

Re: [CTRL] 'International Cooperation Council'

1999-11-26 Thread Robin Peters

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this sounds as if it were directly "lifted" from Constance Cumbey's THE
HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW.

BTW, the current name of International Cooperation Council is CommUNITY
Diversity (we have a branch of this group in the La Grange IL area).

Robin Peters

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Re: [CTRL] Phony Oswald in Mexico

1999-11-26 Thread nessie

Attached is a  CIA document regarding Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico,
declassified three decades after the fact.  It's called "The Lopez
Report." It would make a great movie.

Her name was Silvia. She worked the visa desk. She looked for all the
world like  Ronnie Spector, lead singer of the quintessential Sixties
gringo girl group, the  Ronettes. Everybody knew she was a spy. Nobody
knew for whom. Everybody knew what she liked in bed, though. She liked
gringos, blonde gringos.

Silvia looked up from her desk one day. A handsome blonde gringo was
eyeing her assets.

"Is there anything I can,  uh, do for you today senor, . . . senor . . .
?"

He smiled knowingly and  extended his hand.

"Oswald," he said, "Lee Oswald."


 Lopez_Report_(ascii)

 LEE HARVEY OSWALD
THE CIA AND
MEXICO CITY


I.   INTRODUCTION
 A.   Issues Addressed 1
 B.   Differences Between the Warren Commission
  Investigation of Lee Harvey Oswald's
  Activities in Mexico City and the House
  Select Committee on Assassination's
  Investigation.   3
 C.   Conclusions  5
 D.   Structure and Relevancy  10
II.  Central Intelligence Agency Surveillance
 Operations in Mexico City in September and October
 1963
 A.   Photographic Surveillance Operations Aimed
  at the Cuban Diplomatic Compound 12
  1.   Introduction12
  2.   Physical Positioning of Surveillance
   Bases and Targets   12
  3.   Objectives of Operation and Scope of
   Coverage Provided   13
  4.   Disposition of Production from the
   Operation   30
 B.   Photographic Surveillance Operations Aimed
  at the Soviet Diplomatic Compound31
  1.   Introduction31
  2.   Physical Positioning of Surveillance
   Bases and Targets   31
  3.   Objectives of Operation and Scope of
   Coverage Provided   33
  4.   Procedure and Timing Involved in
   Processing Production from the
   Operation   45
  5.   Responsibility for the Operation47
  6.   Coordination of Surveillance
   Operations  52
   a.   [missing]  53
   b.   Analysis and Reporting of
Information Obtained   54
  3.   [redacted]  56
  4.   [13 chars] from Operation   58
   a.   Types  59
   b.   Handling Procedures59
(1)  Resuma59
(2)   [redacted]   60
(3)   [redacted]   61
 (a)  [redacted]   61
 (b)  [redacted]   62
 (c)  [redacted]   64
 (d)  [redacted]   66
 (e)  Expedited Procedure  67
 (f)  [redacted]   70
 (g)  Format   71
   c.   Voice Comparisons  72
III. Information About Lee Harvey Oswald's stay in
 Mexico that was Known by the CIA Mexico City
 Station Prior to the Assassination of John Kennedy
 and the Sources of that Information
 A.   Information that was Available   72
  1.   Information Available to the Mexico
   City Station from [  ]
   surveillance at the Soviet Consulate
   and Millitary Attache's Office  73
   a.   September 27, 1963, Friday 73
   b.   September 28, 1963, Saturday   76
   c.   October 1, 1963, Tuesday   78
   d.   October 3, 1963, Thursday  79
  2.   Information Available to the Mexico
   City CIA Station from CIA Headquarters  80
  3.   Information Available to the Mexico
   City Station from [  ]
   Surveillance Aimed at the Cuban
   Diplomatic Compound 81
  4.   Information Available to the Mexico
   City Station from Photographic
   Surveillance of the Soviet and Cuban
   Diplomatic Compounds81
  5.   Possibility that Additional
  

[CTRL] Fw: David Icke responds to a letter in Nexus magazine

1999-11-26 Thread Nicky Molloy

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This is merely being passed on so you can be up to date with the latest on
this saga. Maybe Lauren could help us out here...Thanks!

Nicky

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From: Para [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, 27 November 1999 8:35
Subject: David Icke responds to a letter in Nexus magazine



In reply to a "Letters to the Editor" from one Ivan Fraser,
who, among other things,
claimed to have edited David's new book, "The Biggest Secret",
appeared the following letter and reply from David Icke to Nexus magazine.

And a reply from Duncan Roads the editor follows.

...

From: Nexus [Magazine] Vol.7, No:1, Dec. '99 - Jan. 2000.


Shapeshifting Claims:

Dear NEXUS:

I am reluctant to interrupt this gathering of the Sir Laurence Gardner
Appreciation Society, but I'm afraid that, in the interests of accuracy, I
am compelled to do so, albeit for only a moment.

Ivan Fraser claims in your Letters to the Editor last issue that he
"edited" my book, The Biggest Secret... Mr Fraser was merely employed to
proofread The Biggest Secret for typing and spelling errors...

[I removed several paragraphs of unnecessary personal slander about Ivan at
this point. Ed.]

He says that his "own research" is in line with that of Sir Laurence
Gardner, documenter of Star Fire blood-drinking rituals and head of the
ancient Royal Court of the Dragon, which is fronted by those who claim
ancestry from the "dragon" "royal" bloodlines - the bloodlines, I would
suggest, which were seeded by the reptilian Anunnaki.

But, astonishing as this may be to Mr Fraser, the fact that both he and Sir
Laurence Gardner say the same things is no confirmation whatsoever that
their research is true and accurate.

I note with interest that Sir Laurence ridicules the idea that those of the
"dragon" bloodlines, as he calls them, are actually reptilian crossbreeds
and sometimes shapeshifters. He notes how such stories were rife in the
ancient world, but says it is "difficult to comprehend in these more
levelheaded times " that " anyone believed such nonsense".

Well, unfortunately, Sir Laurence, endless numbers of people all over the
world are having the same experience today of seeing those of the "dragon"
bloodlines shapeshift, just like the ancients did, and what I find hard to
comprehend is how you can be so astonishingly ignorant of this. If, indeed,
you really are.

I further find it difficult to perceive that the obvious diversion and
smokescreen about these bloodlines coming from "Jesus" can go on being
promoted by a man who claims expertise in history and genealogy. Or how
anyone who does the most minimal research into the existence of "Jesus"
could believe such claptrap.

Sir Laurence dismisses the idea of shapeshifting reptilians as ridiculous,
despite the endless ancient and modern accounts, while, at the same time,
asking us to believe that fictional characters like Jesus and Mary
Magdalene (creations of the Roman Piso family) could seed bloodlines. Are
we now to believe, Sir Laurence, that Jack and Jill, Snow White and
Cinderella also seeded bloodlines, which should today be considered worthy
of royal title? Should someone not launch a Royal Court of the Tom and
Jerry?

Mr Fraser and others also constantly attack Arizona Wilder without ever
bothering to research her background in any way. Arizona, whose Illuminati
code name was, interestingly, "Star Fire" - after the blood-drinking
rituals she conducted in a mind-controlled state - has more guts in her
smallest digit than Mr Fraser and co. will have if they live to be a
thousand.

He, Sir Laurence Gardner, Duncan Roads and NEXUS can go on for as long as
they like dismissing and ridiculing the existence of shapeshifting
reptilians among the elite "Grail" bloodlines through which they operate,
but if they only opened their eyes and minds (won't hold my breath) they
would see the fantastic evidence to confirm that this bizarre story is true.

That evidence is hurtling towards you like a runaway truck, and you are all
going to have to eat so much humble pie you will need life membership of
Weight Watchers.

David Icke, Ryde, Isle of Wight, England, UK

[Dear David: I am still waiting to see the 'fantastic evidence", or hear
from any of the "endless numbers of people...seeing those of the 'dragon'
bloodlines shapeshift".

I also note that the only person doing the "attacking" at your website
discussion areas is yourself Surely your "research" can stand up to a bit
of well-meaning scrutiny, without your resorting to insulting those who
seek further clarification of your claims.

And finally, for the record, I would like to point out that I have no
problem believing in the existence of shapeshifting reptilian aliens. I DO
have a problem believing that Arizona Wilder (your star witness) saw Sir
Lawrence Gardner and Zachariah Sitchin shapeshifting into reptilian aliens
at some satanic 

Re: [CTRL] Phony Oswald in Mexico

1999-11-26 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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I can't open these files.  Can you send the text not as an attachment, but
within an email?

Thanks,

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] 'International Cooperation Council'

1999-11-26 Thread Terry Cox



Robin,
Nice to know of another Hidden 
Dangers reader. Her book was tops and quite ahead of its 
time.
Terry


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  Subject: Re: [CTRL] 'International 
  Cooperation Council'
  -Caveat Lector-this sounds as if it were directly 
  "lifted" from Constance Cumbey's THEHIDDEN DANGERS OF THE 
  RAINBOW.BTW, the current name of International Cooperation Council is 
  CommUNITYDiversity (we have a branch of this group in the La Grange IL 
  area).Robin PetersDECLARATION  
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[CTRL] Microsoft and liberty

1999-11-26 Thread Michael A. Johnson

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~~for educational purposes only~~

Microsoft and liberty
by Walter Williams

Think about the government's case against
Microsoft and, just as importantly, it's
implications for our liberty.

Let's ask a general question just to get
started. If there's an act we all agree is
immoral and unacceptable when done by an
individual, does that act become moral and
acceptable when done collectively, namely
by government?

You say, "Williams, that's a bit too esoteric;
would you break it down?"

OK, here's a for-instance. If we deem rape
as immoral and unacceptable when done by an
individual, does rape become moral and
acceptable when done collectively? What if
we vote to rape someone. Does that make rape
morally acceptable? I'm hoping that all of my
fellow Americans will answer: Neither a majority
consensus nor collective action necessarily
establishes what's moral or immoral.

Let's cut through the Justice Department's
legalese and get down to moral basics and
what should be the standard for judging Microsoft's
actions: Did Microsoft engage in peaceable,
voluntary exchange -- and on non-fraudulent
terms -- with its customers, or did it engage in
fraud, violence or threats of violence?

You say, "Come on, Williams; the relevant question
is whether Microsoft violated the law." Nonsense.
Laws do not necessarily establish morality. For
example, the 1850 Fugitive Slave Act provided
fines and imprisonment for assisting runaway
slaves. If I were on a jury, whether a defendant
violated the Fugitive Slave Act would have been
immaterial to me. I would have deemed slavery
and any law that protected it immoral. As such,
people have no moral duty to obey immoral laws.

If we're really concerned about monopolistic practices
injurious to consumers, we'd call for Justice
Department actions against the U.S. Postal Service.
Microsoft has never done the kind of despicable acts
done by the Postal Service. Suppose you and I agree
that I will deliver first class mail to your house. What
happens? I will be arrested for competing with Postal
Service. In fact, by law I cannot even put anything in the
mailbox belonging to you. It's worse than that. The
Postal Service has come after people, with fines, for
using Federal Express services for mail that it deems
"non-urgent."

If you think it would be wrong for Microsoft to use
violence and the threat of violence to maintain its
monopoly position, why in the world is it acceptable
for the government's Postal Service to do the same?

The Justice Department's claim that Microsoft's actions
harm consumers is a sham. The overall pattern of the
high-tech industry has been a precipitous fall in prices
and rise in quality over time. We needn't mention the
pattern of the prices and quality of postal services.

There's another and more important monopoly target for
the Justice Department, and that's the public
(government) education monopoly. That is a monopoly
that's eating away at the soul of our nation. It's charging
customers (citizens) higher and higher prices (taxes),
while their product quality is getting worse and worse.
It has the power to commit despicable acts beyond any
monopolistic dreams Microsoft may have.

For example, what would you think if Microsoft had the
power to tell you: "I don't care if you don't like my
operating system and want to use somebody else's. But
if you do use someone else's, you still have to pay for
mine even if you don't use it." That's precisely what the
education monopoly tells parents who want to take their
children out of rotten government schools and put them
in private schools.

If Clinton's Justice Department really wants to go after
harmful monopolistic practices, I can give them
hundreds of targets.

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[CTRL] [17] The Great Heroin Coup

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Great Heroin Coup - Drugs, Intelligence,  International Fascism
Henrik Kruger
Jerry Meldon, Translator
South End Press©1980
Box 68 Astor Station
Boston, MA 02123
ISBN 0-89608-0319-5
240pps - one edition - out-of-print
Orginally published in Danish
Smukke Serge og Heroien
Bogan 1976
--[17]--

SEVENTEEN
WHITE HOUSE HANKY PANKY


Never had Richard Nixon's White House staff been so preoccupied with
narcotics matters as in the summer of 1971. They were obsessed with two
projects: a new White House intelligence and enforcement unit as envisioned
by the Huston Plan, and a comprehensive narcotics control apparatus,
similarly under direct presidential control. The two idees fixes converged in
a conspiratorial and political-criminal network of hitherto unimagined
dimensions.

That summer the White House set up the Special Action Office for Drug Abuse
Prevention alongside the Special Investigation Unit, otherwise known as the
Plumbers. Several of the Plumbers also worked on narcotics affairs. The
groups' key figures included:

Egil Krogh (chief Plumber)—who followed John Erlichman (for whose law firm he
had worked part time) to the White House in 1968 within months of his
graduation from the University of Washington Law School. He was named deputy
assistant to the president for law enforcement, and within three years found
himself in charge both of Nixon's narcotics and law enforcement campaign, and
of the "Plumbers squad. His single-minded ambition surfaced in a declaration
to the noted psychiatrist and narcotics expert, Dr. Daniel S. Freedman, when
the latter refused to support one of Krogh's programs: "Well, don't worry.
Anyone who opposes us we'll destroy. As a matter of fact, anyone who doesn't
support us, well destroy."[1] Krogh would wind up in jail for the break-in at
the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, Dr. Lewis Fielding.

Walter Minnick (temporary Plumber)—a young graduate of Harvard Business
School and former agent of the CIA, who joined Krogh's narcotics staff in
spring 1971 and later helped draft the reorganization plan that created the
DEA.

John Caulfield (Plumber)—a former agent of the New York City Police
Department's Bureau of Special Services (BOSS), which specialized in
narcotics and "monitoring the activities of terrorist organizations." In the
1960 presidential campaign he had been assigned to protect candidate Nixon in
New York City. That and his close relationship with Nixon's personal
secretary, Rose Mary Woods (of eighteen and one-half minute tape gap fame),
gained him a foot in the door of the White House.[2]

Myles Ambrose—the former Customs Commissioner, who was named head of the
narcotics campaign's domestic strike force. He would later leave government
service in disgrace.

G. Gordon Liddy (Plumber) -a former FBI agent whose narcotics intelligence
job at the Treasury Department had been terminated, only weeks prior to his
recruitment by the White House, for his outspoken lobbying against
gun-control legislation. Eventually, he would get six-to-twenty for his role
in the break-in at the Watergate complex and one-to-three for the job at
Fielding's office.

Howard Hunt (Plumber)—a former CIA agent closely connected to the
agency-trained Cuban exiles, many of whom had emerged from Santo
Trafficante's Cuban narcotics Mafia. Hunt was employed as a special advisor
on narcotics problems in Southeast Asia. In November 1973 Judge John Sirica
would sentence him to two-and-a-half to eight years — reduced from an initial
thirty-five — for the Watergate break-in.

Lucien Conein—a CIA agent, Ed Lansdale's right-hand man in Vietnam, and an
expert on Southeast Asian narcotics centers and the Corsican Mafia. He was
brought into the White House by his old buddy Hunt.

David Young—a young lawyer who put up a sign outside his office, "Mr. Young,
Plumber," when apprised that he would be plugging leaks and that the trade
had run in his family. He came to Krogh's staff from Henry Kissinger's
National Security Council.

It was a strange mix of novices and experienced agents with the most
intriguing pasts.

Hunt and Liddy were located in Room 16 of the Executive Office Building,
headquarters for the Plumbers group's secret narcotics missions and other,
crooked operations on behalf of the Committee to Re-Elect the President
(CREEP). The Plumbers' first assignment was the break-in at the office of
Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist.[3] For the break-in dirty work, Hunt enlisted
Bernard Barker, Eugenio Rolando Martinez and Felipe de Diego, three of his
Cuban friends who had been involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Martinez and
de Diego also took part in the CIA's follow-up Operation 40, and the
ubiquitous Martinez was in on Trafficante-masterminded boat raids on Cuba.[4]

By the summer of 1971 the White House Death Squad was well on its way. Hunt
sought out Barker in Miami for what Hunt called "a new national security
organization above the CIA and FBI." Barker would 

[CTRL] [18] The Great Heroin Coup

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Great Heroin Coup - Drugs, Intelligence,  International Fascism
Henrik Kruger
Jerry Meldon, Translator
South End Press©1980
Box 68 Astor Station
Boston, MA 02123
ISBN 0-89608-0319-5
240pps - one edition - out-of-print
Orginally published in Danish
Smukke Serge og Heroien
Bogan 1976
--[18]--

EIGHTEEN
ONE MORE COVER-UP

In early 1973 the Department of Health, Education and Welfare estimated the
number of U.S. heroin addicts at 600,000. By the end of that year, Dr. Robert
Egebjerg, director of the Alcohol, Drug Abuse and Health Administration,
placed the number at 300,000. And in June 1974 DEA international operations
chief John T. Cusack, testifying before the House Committee on International
Narcotics Control, said that the addict population was down to 200,000.[1]

This giant cover-up hid the fact that Nixon's heroin war was no more than
window-dressing. On 7 October 1974, six weeks after Nixon's resignation, the
head of the White House Special Action Office on Drug Abuse Prevention, Dr.
Robert Dupont, was pressured to release a secret report that the number of
addicts had in fact risen, reaching even into formerly untouched middle class
suburbs.[2]

On 27 April 1976 President Gerald Ford said in a message to Congress: "By
mid-1973 many were convinced that we had turned the corner on the drug
problem. Unfortunately, while we had won an important victory, we had not won
the war on drugs. By 1975 it was clear that drug use was increasing, that the
gains of prior years were being lost, that in human terms narcotics had
became a national tragedy. Today, drug abuse constitutes a clear and present
danger to the health and the future of our Nation."

In February 1977 the House Select Committee on Narcotics Abuse and Control
reported that the addict population totalled some 800,000. And in 1978 New
York City's special narcotics prosecutor, Sterling Johnson, spoke of a heroin
epidemic worse than that of the late sixties and early seventies.[3] But the
cover-up hadn't stopped in 1974.

From 1975 until the end of 1978 the DEA consistently maintained that between
80 and 90 percent of the heroin consumed in the U.S. was Mexican. However,
the claim doesn't stand up against the following facts: 1) 80 percent of the
world's heroin -exactly the figure exported from Marseilles until 1972 -was,
at least until late 1976, produced from opium harvested in the Golden
Triangle and distributed via Bangkok, Singapore, and Hong Kong;[4] 2) the
number of arrests of couriers en route from Southeast Asia increased steadily
after 1973;[5] 3) reports from New York and other big cities testified to the
arrival of large shipments of white heroin from Southeast Asia; 4) the
market's supply of heroin did not dwindle despite aerial destruction of an
estimated 60 percent of Mexico's poppy fields in early 1976;[6] 5) an
effective tidal wave of Golden Triangle heroin began flooding Europe in 1973,
while many couriers en route to the U.S. and Canada were nabbed by European
police; 6) the DEA was aware of Santo Trafficante's dealings in Southeast
Asia, as well as the later Mafia summit in Palermo where large sums of money
were set aside for investment in the Golden Triangle; 7) it was easy to
verify the narcotics flow from Mexico, since the border was subject to close
surveillance, but to conclude that most of the heroin on the U.S. market
originated in Mexico was a stretch of logic.

Even the DEA had to admit the tenuousness of its claims. On 24 February 1976,
the DEA's John Cusack admitted that his agency's estimate that only 8 percent
of U.S. heroin came from Southeast Asia was surprising, considering the
region's prolific opium production. He added:

"We are also concerned about our detection during 1975 of substantial
quantities of white no. 4 heroin moving directly from Bangkok to the United
States. In December, for example, forty-six kilograms of heroin were seized
in Bangkok, concealed in the household effects shipment of a returning U.S.
serviceman. Follow-up investigation in the development of an extensive
conspiracy prosecution has identified twelve additional shipments entering
the United States since 1974."

Twelve such shipments meant 552 kilos, or more than the entire 470 kilos
confiscated in the U.S. in 1975 -and from only one of many Southeast Asian
smuggling networks. Cusack went even further: "It appears almost certain that
the bulk of the white heroin found during 1975 in the inner-city areas of our
eastern cities has been Asian no. 4 smuggled from Bangkok."[7]

Why then did the DEA continue to overstate Mexico's role and minimize
Southeast Asia-even after the publication, in 1972, of Alfred McCoy's The
Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia? Perhaps to justify the great
expenditure in support of right wing military and police forces in Latin
America. (The later boom in Colombian cocaine would also provide
justification.) Southeast Asia was downplayed so as not to jeopardize
relations 

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992148.  Travis KC-10 refuels Raptor for first time

by 1Lt Tom Crosson
60 Air Mobility Wing Public Affairs

TRAVIS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. (AFPN) -- Four KC-10 crewmembers here had a
chance Nov. 17 to help advance the Air Force's capability to achieve
complete air dominance.  They were part of test that marked the first time
in the F-22 program that aerial refueling was accomplished with a KC-10.

Instructor pilot Capt. Jeff McCleery and flight engineer TSgt. Tom "Sammy"
Hager from the 6th Air Refueling Squadron along with co-pilot Capt. Scott
Roe and boom operator SSgt. Roman Munoz from the 9th ARS teamed up with
members of the 452nd Flight Test Squadron at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif.,
to help determine if there were compatibility issues between the Air Force's
new F-22 "Raptor" and a KC-10 refueler.

The F-22 has been deemed America's next-generation air superiority fighter.
Air Force officials indicate that once the F-22s are available to deploy
with U.S. joint task forces, America will have the dominant military
advantage over potential adversaries necessary to protect our national
interests with minimal risks.

One unique factor of this mission was the number of different organizations
involved.  The Travis crew teamed up with the 452nd TFS, the F-22 Combined
Test Force and engineers from Lockheed Martin Corp. to complete the test.

Captains Todd Markwald and Greg Slover, test pilots with the 452nd FTS, flew
with the Travis crew during the initial tests because they are trained in
how to deal with emergency situations regarding the F-22.  As the tests
progressed, the Travis crew became more involved so engineers could
concentrate on how well the F-22 handled the tests.

"Our goal for this test is to identify the F-22s 'envelopes', the minimum
and maximum allowable air speeds, altitude, and boom movements that both
aircraft will allow," Markwald said.  "It is important to make sure that the
F-22 is compatible with the KC-10.  If we take it to war, the KC-10 will get
it there."

During the five-day test period, the crew flew four sorties.  Each sortie
lasted approximately three hours.  Throughout the flights, both the KC-10
crew and F-22 crew followed scenarios published on test cards.  The test
cards outlined step by step what was going to be practiced.  All total, the
KC-10 made more than 250 boom connections, or "contacts" with the F-22,
off-loading 35,000 pounds of fuel.

One important factor monitored was how well the F-22 was able to connect to
the KC-10's boom.  SSgt. Dave Francey, an experimental flight-test boom
operator with the 452nd FTS, operated the boom during the initial tests.
Francey, one of two test boom operators qualified in both the KC-10 and
KC-135, was selected for this role because of his experience with recent
KC-135 refueling tests with the F-22.

While the two aircraft were connected, data was transferred from the boom to
a panel in the rear of the KC-10, monitored by two flight test engineers.
According to 1st Lt. Jay Bernheisel, a flight test engineer from the 452nd
FTS, they were able to monitor the amount of stress on the boom while the
aircraft attempted contacts at different positions and altitudes.

"The test boom operators are the single point of contact for the F-22 CTF
for this technical information," Francey said.

The highlight of the mission for the Travis crew came when Munoz had a
chance to become the first boom operator in Air Mobility Command to aerial
refuel an F-22.  He made four contacts with the F-22, most of which were
done at an altitude of 3,000 feet at speeds of nearly 350 knots.  He said
that the experience was exciting, but admitted that the task was almost
"business as usual."

"It was an honor to be the first in AMC to refuel the F-22," Munoz said.
"It will be gratifying to know that someday my inputs helped write the T.O.
(technical order) for refueling the F-22s."

Although the test flights seemed to be successful, it will take engineers
some time to go through all the data that was compiled to determine how
successful they were.  "We forward all test data to the CTF and the
contractors." Bernheisel said.  "They will then determine if any
modifications need to be made to make the F-22 more compatible."

There are currently two F-22s being tested at Edwards AFB.  Since they first
arrived in February 1998, they have undergone a series of tests from
structural ground tests to validating various flying qualities.

992148a,b,c.  Travis KC-10 refuels Raptor for first time - image cutlines

992148a.jpg and 992148a.gif
An F-22 Raptor connects with a KC-10 Extender during tests to determine
compatibility between the two planes.  The refueler crew, from Travis Air
Force Base, Calif., assisted evaluators from the 452 Flight Test Squadron,
Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., in conducting these tests which marked the
first time the Raptor was refueled by the 

[CTRL] GOP News Views - November 26, 1999

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Will Media Do Right Thing?  Fat Chance.

“This week provided further evidence the Democrats will shamelessly race bait
to smear Republicans as bigots in order to boost black turnout in next year’s
elections.  DNC Chairman Andrew made an outrageous, unsubstantiated claim
that efforts were made to suppress minority voting in this month’s elections
and Al Gore is running dishonest ads on black radio stations accusing
Republicans of blocking black nominees to the bench.  Will the media let
Democrats get away with calling for racial healing while inciting racial
hatred?”

- Kate O’Beirne’s “Outrage of the Week,” CNN’s “Capital Gang,” 11/20/99


NOW Stoops to Absurd Level

The state of Florida this week gave final approval for a specialty license
plate with a crayon drawing of two kids and the message “Choose Life.”
Floridians can voluntarily pay an extra $22 for the plates - and the proceeds
will go to organizations who help pregnant women who want to put their babies
up for adoption.  Voluntary.  No government coercion.  No taxpayer money
involved.  Free speech.  Heck, it might even help reduce the number of
abortions in the Sunshine State.  Who could possibly object, right?
Umm...the National Organization for Women, that’s who.  NOW is going to court
to block the tag’s release.  What a bunch of (you fill in the blank).

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Term Limits Could Cost GOP House

If Republicans lose control of the House next year, add term limits to the
list of reasons why (in addition to having no message, caving in to the
president at the drop of a hat, spending money like drunken Democrats, etc.).
 Caught up in the term limit-mania of 1994, a number of solid GOP
congress-critters took a self-imposed pledge to only serve three terms in
office.  That means their time is up next November.  Most Democrats, usually
the smarter of the political animals in matters such as these, opted not to
take themselves out of the game prematurely.  So what we face, boys and
girls, is a situation where more Republicans are not running for re-election
to Congress next year than Democrats.  That means in those districts,
Republicans have voluntarily given up the advantages of incumbency while
Democrats have retained them.  We’re not called the “Stupid Party” for
nothin’.

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Idaho Seeking to Repeal Term Limits

“Idaho, arguably the most conservative state in the nation, could become the
first to take the revolutionary step of repealing term limits.  The Idaho
legislature is poised to scale back the state’s sweeping 1994 term-limits law
when it convenes in January.  A key problem, say critics, is that the state
of 1.2 million simply isn’t big enough to field a steady stream of qualified
candidates for its local offices.  ‘I served on the school board for six
years, and sometimes you have to dig to find people to run,’ said Idaho House
Majority Leader Frank Bruneel of Lewiston, who favors an outright repeal.  ‘I
don’t think serious consideration was given to how this would effect local
entities, especially in rural, sparsely populated areas.’ ... ‘In some of
these counties, you have more cattle than people,’ (said Mark Snider,
spokesman for Republican Gov. Dirk Kempthorne).  ‘Sometimes the local coroner
is also the area’s only mortician and funeral director.  He’s the only one
in
town qualified to fill the position, so it’s not practical to force him out
of office.’”

- Washington Times Weekly, 10/31/99


Nevada Students Stink Up Math Test

According to the Las Vegas Sun, “Fifty-one percent of high school juniors
failed the math portion of the High School Proficiency Exam given in
October.”   What makes these dismal results even more distressing is the fact
that the kids only needed to get 64 percent of the answers correct in order
to pass the test.  Nevada State Superintendent of Public Education Mary
Petersen - standing right smack in the middle of a disaster declaring,
“Nothing to see here; please move along” - told the Sun that the figures
don’t represent any drastic change over last year.  Whew!  Our kids are only
as dumbed-down as they were last year.  What a relief.  Would someone please
explain to us:  (1) Why Ms. Petersen still has a job, (2) Why anyone still
listens to anything the teachers union says, and (3) Why government schools
are good and vouchers are bad.  Inquiring minds wanna know.

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The Bilingual Boondoggle

“Here’s more evidence of the bilingual boondoggle: Roughly half of all Clark
County (Nev.) seniors who flunked the state 

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!!!

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan





Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com
http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/skolnick.htm

Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!!!

AIR CRASHES, BLACK BOXES, and UNSAFETY BOARDS---EgyptAir Flight 990,
More of the Same?
by Sherman H. Skolnick

The National Transportation Safety Board, NTSB, and its predecessor
federal agencies, have a long, sorry history of covering up foul play
involved in some aircraft disasters. The word "sabotage" is a dirty,
forbidden word to them and the airline industry. How can they sell
tickets if passengers are haunted by the idea that some planes are put
down by bombs, missiles, or other bloody work? Some NTSB panel members,
in the past, have been suspected of concealing that some of their family
members and cronies have financial interests, if not actual stock
ownership, in the airline travel business.
There is, in short, nothing safe about the Safety Board.

About 1965 a commercial plane was enroute to Chicago. Just offshore of
the Windy City, the plane blew up and fell in relatively shallow water
of Lake Michigan. Early news accounts in some of the newspapers said a
bomb was suspected. Later editions, like with political assassinations,
cleaned up the messy details. Further stories dismissed the crash as
merely some kind of "accident".

One night a diver went down to the wreckage and apparently stole one of
the "black boxes", that records various parameters of the plane's
operations or records voices in the cockpit. Also removed were
apparently certain items in the wreckage. What was that all about?
According to some news reports, it was some kind of an unsolved mystery.
Left out of reports in the monopoly press were that one of the
passengers was a disgruntled top official of the American CIA. He was on
the way to meeting a prominent journalist in Chicago. He was going to
turn over documents showing that there had been a high-level cabal
implicated in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963.
[Not the only time key witnesses were snuffed out on the way to meet
with reporters. Example, the Karen Silkwood case. AND, see our details
in an earlier story, about Reporters and Assassins(they sleep
together)].

These details I had confirmed to me from two reliable sources. One of
them was federal aircrash inspector. Unlike some of his colleagues, he
had several times endangered his job and career demanding the truth be
told about some crashes. BUT, his superiors always told him to "shut
up".

The facts were simple. To silence a top espionage official an entire
plane was put in the drink killing all onboard.

In December, 1972, one month after President Nixon was re-elected, a
commercial plane was headed from Washington's National Airport, set for
a stop in Chicago. Among the passengers were twelve WATERGATE figures,
including Mrs. E. Howard Hunt, wife of the Watergate burglar. She was
nervous about her luggage. So, she bought an additional first class seat
ticket for her baggage right near her. Why? Well, contained there was
two million dollars of "hush" money, that her husband reportedly
blackmailed out of Nixon. Both Mr. and Mrs. E. Howard Hunt were
long-time CIA officials. Both reportedly knew about the role of Tricky
Dick implicated in the political assassination of President Kennedy. The
two million dollars in valuables were to be "parked" apparently with her
Chicago-area relatives, one of whom reportedly owns a sizeable
accounting and motel operation some say is tied to the "boys", the
traditional mafia.

Some of the passengers perished when the United Air Lines plane pancaked
just short of Midway Airport. Sooner than the police and fire
departments, 150 FBI agents were already in the crash zone keeping local
authorities away from the smouldering plane. The FBI headquarters is 12
miles away. How did that many FBI get there that soon, ahead of the fire
and police? The FBI apparently were already in the vicinity of the
airport waiting to take Mrs. Hunt and some of the other Watergators into
custody, to be charged with extortion, that is, shaking down a federal
official, namely President Nixon. It was supposed to result in a secret
"national security" federal criminal prosecution with the court records
sealed.

From all the details we uncovered, we knew Mrs. Hunt and some of her
confederates survived the pancaked air plane and were poisoned later by
the FBI.

We arranged to "liberate" the entire 1300 pages of documents and
pictures of the National Transportation Safety Board, showing sabotage.
The NTSB did NOT intend to release THOSE documents in the form they had
them. Without telling the NTSB we had their file, we sued the NTSB,
claiming sabotage cover up. A local crooked judge, however, put us out
of Court without any formal hearing. Because of the lawsuit, the NTSB
re-opened their public investigation later. Because of 

[CTRL] Clinton's appeasement of N. Korea

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 Clinton's appeasement of N. Korea

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I don't have any plans - current or future - to run for any political office.
But, if I did, and if, by some miracle, I were elected president, like Pat
Buchanan, my first action upon being sworn into office would be to turn to
William Jefferson Clinton and say, "Sir, you have the right to remain silent.
."
My second action would be to bring home, immediately, U.S. troops from every
far-flung police action around the globe - with one exception. The one place
I would temporarily leave tens of thousands of troops on the ground is Korea.
Why? Several reasons:

No. 1: The U.S. has made a commitment, no matter how ill-advised it might be,
to protect the South Korean people. It must be honored. It's a matter of life
and death for millions.

No. 2: If the U.S. pulled out of South Korea, North Korea's million-man army
would likely invade within minutes, resulting in a human cataclysm and the
destabilization of the area and the entire world.

No. 3: North Korea, a despotic pariah state led by a man with serious
psychotic tendencies, represents a real threat to the safety and security of
the United States.

It's this imminent threat that is either totally unrecognized by the Clinton
administration or, for reasons unknown, is being ignored.

In fact, for several years now, the Clinton administration has actually
offered North Korea - a rogue, terrorist, unpredictable, and eminently
hostile state - preferential treatment. North Korea is handled by the State
and Defense departments like a most-favored nation. The U.S. has replaced
Russia and China as North Korea's main benefactor, providing $270 million in
direct aid from your tax dollars. Since 1995, total U.S. taxpayer aid to
Pyongyang is close to $645 million and could, according to a report in
Investor's Business Daily, top $1 billion by next year.

In effect, you and I are subsidizing North Korea's continued militarization -
including the development of nuclear, chemical, biological, and other weapons
of mass destruction, as well as an intercontinental ballistic missile program
for delivery of such weapons capable of hitting much of the United States.

A congressional report issued earlier this month found "serious weaknesses"
in the Clinton policy toward North Korea.

"North Korea's WMD (weapons of mass destruction) programs pose a major threat
to the United States and its allies," it said. "This threat has advanced
considerably over the past five years, particularly with the enhancement of
North Korea's missile capabilities. North Korea has produced, deployed, and
exported missiles to Iran and Pakistan, launched a three-stage missile (Taepo
Dong 1), and continues to develop a larger and more powerful missile (Taepo
Dong 2)."

This threat was compounded during the last five years while the Clinton
administration chose a path of "constructive engagement" with North Korea.

In other words, the bad kid on the block in northeast Asia has been rewarded
for his bad behavior with aid far exceeding any previously received from the
United States and anything received by peaceful neighbors. Does that make
sense?

This policy only encourages North Korea to threaten U.S. interests in the
future. Each time it does, it wins more financial aid. Imagine what Pyongyang
can expect to get when it actually hits the U.S. with a missile some day in
the not-too-distant future. If you think that scenario is far-fetched, listen
to the congressional report: "Unlike five years ago, North Korea can now
strike the U.S. with a missile that could deliver high explosive chemical,
biological, or possibly nuclear weapons. Currently, the United States is
unable to defend against this threat."

Think of it this way: Suppose there was a madman with a gun at your head.
Yes, if he pulls the trigger and kills you, someone else will shoot him dead.
But is that any consolation? Remember, he's a madman who has a track record
of acting against his own best interests. That's exactly what the U.S. faces
in the threat posed by North Korea.

House International Relations Committee Chairman Benjamin Gilman, R-N.Y.,
sees that as a fitting analogy.

"North Korea continues to hold out one hand for aid, while in the other hand
it holds a gun. This has resulted in a very successful cycle of political
blackmail and extortion with the international community," he said in a
committee hearing last month.

I like what Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif. had to say in summarizing U.S.
policy toward North Korea: "We are giving North Korea hundreds of millions of
dollars in fuel and food while they are spending the same amount bolstering
their military. If ever there was an insane policy, this is it."

I guess Pyongyang doesn't have 

[CTRL] The Rosenbergs of the '90s

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 The Rosenbergs of the '90s

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Despite plenty of historical revisionist attempts to redeem Julius and Ethel
Rosenberg, the executed nuclear spies of another era remain traitors to the
core in the American psyche.
It's hard to understand, then, why those who accept the execution of a couple
who smuggled U.S. nuclear secrets to the Soviets simply wink at another
couple's blatant public actions to transfer the next generation of nuclear
secrets to America's inevitable future enemies in Beijing.

I'm talking about Bill and Hillary Clinton, the Rosenbergs of the '90s.

The latest development in this ongoing saga was revealed by WorldNetDaily's
Charles Smith last week: The Clinton administration has approved the shipment
to Communist China of uranium U-235 - the nuclear isotope used in the atomic
bomb exploded over Hiroshima in 1945.

This is part of a long pattern of technology transfers approved by the White
House, often over the heads of other oversight agencies, including the FBI,
Justice Department and Pentagon. It's part of a pattern that goes back to the
early days of the Clinton administration when Ron Brown served as Commerce
secretary and was given carte blanche powers to make deals - no matter the
national security implications.

The policy continues today - even though Ron Brown met an untimely and still
unexplained death.

Now, Investor's Business Daily reporter Paul Sperry reveals the Clinton
administration plans to move the Defense Department's export licensing
offices to a U.S. Army base far from the Pentagon and other Washington
agencies that seek technical military advice on exports.

"Career licensing officials complain it's the latest in a series of steps
that have weakened the Pentagon's role in blocking the transfer of
military-related technology to China and other countries viewed as threats to
U.S, security," Sperry writes.

Sperry's startling revelation shows that this one-way flow of high-technology
to China isn't moving quickly enough for the Clinton administration. It's
about to go into overdrive during Clinton's last year in power.

Sperry reports that this new move is actually being rushed. Originally, the
idea was to do it in 2005. Now it must be completed by August, by edict of
Clinton appointee John Hamre, Deputy Defense Secretary.

"Some Defense officials suspect the administration is speeding up the move
ahead of next November's election," reports Sperry.

He quotes a senior Pentagon official involved in arms control policy as
saying, "They're not at all clear that this move would be supported by the
next administration."

As usual with this administration, it hasn't notified Congress of the move,
as required by law.

It seems Hamre is filling the shoes of Ron Brown. He's the new go-to guy in
the Clinton administration with respect to clearing all national-security
hurdles to high-tech transfers to China.

Last year, he folded the Defense Technology Security Administration and other
related agencies into the newly created Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
Under the reorganization, Sperry reports, DTRA's export-control office now
comes under the Pentagon's undersecretary for acquisition, who deals mainly
with defense contractors. It formerly reported to the undersecretary for
policy, "whose office has traditionally been more concerned with security
issues like stopping the spread of arms to unfriendly nations."

Last month, Hamre ordered DTRA to come up with a plan by Dec. 16 to speed up
the time it takes to OK export licenses, which are sent to the Pentagon by
the State Department. His new plan gives the armed services just two days to
submit a veto of such deals in the future.

In other words, the military becomes a rubber-stamp operation for the will of
the State Department. It makes one wonder: "What's the rush?"

Business, business, business. That's what drives policy in the Clinton
administration. That approach toward business at the expense of the free
market is the hallmark of fascism. The Clinton administration wouldn't
necessarily be so bad if the business was not always insider wheeler-dealer
business. Special favoritism has pimped an incestuous relationship between
multinational CEOs and Third World tyrants. The short-term political payoffs
may look good. But the long-term fallout may be radioactive.



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[CTRL] Why I am not a homophobe

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 Why I am not a homophobe

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Washington Post ombudswoman E. R. Shipp suggests I am "hostile to
homosexuals."
In the popular lexicon, that makes one a "homophobe." I'd like to explain why
I am not a "homophobe."

First of all, the Latin root "homo" simply means "man." "Phobe," or "phobia,"
has to do with fear. I certainly do not fear men. I also do not fear
homosexuals -- though, as much as possible, I do avoid them, as Christians
and Jews are cautioned to do in Leviticus 18.

Why are we cautioned to avoid homosexuals in the Bible? Here's what it says
in the relevant verses of Leviticus 18 (KJV):

22. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

23. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith:
neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is
confusion.

24. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the
nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

25. And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon
it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

26. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not
commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any
stranger that sojourneth among you:

27. (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were
before you, and the land is defiled;)

28. That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out
the nations that were before you.

29. For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that
commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

30. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of
these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile
not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

You see, God, speaking through Moses, tells us that practices including
homosexuality will cause those involved and those around them to be spewed
out of the land -- to be rejected, outcast, vomited from the land. I don't
want to be too close when that happens. In other words, it's not homosexuals
I fear. It is God.

"Oh, Farah," some of you are saying, "you're just not being open-minded.
You're just relying on that archaic, old relic, the Bible, to form your
opinion. Don't you know that book is just a lot of fables? You don't really
think God inspired any of that superstition, do you?"

Well, yes, I do. And if you don't, then you've got a lot more to rethink than
just whether it is appropriate for men to lie with men and women with women.
You see, all of the sexual prohibitions we accept as normal today derive from
this same biblical tradition -- nothing more, nothing less.

Look at the beginning of Leviticus 18. Clearly, all kinds of abominations
were taking place in Egypt and Canaan, prior to God's proscriptions to the
Hebrew people. There were no laws or traditions against incest -- except
those, perhaps, written on the hearts of men by God from the beginning of
time. In fact, incest was considered great fun in Canaan. It was sort of the
national sport. Adultery was not discouraged. It was a normal pastime. Even
sacrificing babies to the idol Molech was considered the cost of doing
business in these lands of sexual licentiousness. Does that sound familiar?

So, if you're going to tear down the walls of 5,000 years of law and
Judeo-Christian tradition with regard to homosexuality, perhaps you should
consider the next domino to fall. Will it be incest? Will it be pederasty? If
not, why not? If the Bible is not the authority -- the ultimate moral guide
on such matters -- what is? Is it the word of the American Psychiatric
Association? Is it popular opinion? Is it the ombudswoman at the Washington
Post?

Do you realize there are active efforts under way now to repeal laws against
sex with minors?

Ask yourself, if it's not biblical morality that stops us from moving down
this slippery slope, what is it? Whatever it is, it's going to be a losing
argument. Because lust has no natural boundaries. The thirst for perversion
is never quenched. One form leads to another and another and another.

Unless people rediscover the ancient truths of the Bible and Ultimate
Authority who breathed them into words, we are, indeed, slouching toward
Egypt, toward Canaan, toward Sodom.



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Re: [CTRL] Clinton's appeasement of N. Korea

1999-11-26 Thread William Shannon

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Well, one act has greatly diminished any "appeasement" of N.Korea and that's
the fact that Roger Clinton is performing "live" there soon!!!
W.W.III could WELL be only a few strained notes away!!

Bill.

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[CTRL] Thanks for what?

1999-11-26 Thread Bill Richer

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Thanksgiving, to me, is one of the most important and meaningful holidays on
our calendar.
There's a rich tradition for this holiday that dates back, not just through
American history, but thousands of years through the history of the Jewish
people.

Too often, today, we dwell on the problems we face, on the obstacles in our
way, on the hurdles blocking our progress as individuals and as a society.
There are certainly many that we deal with in the news business on a daily
basis. There are horrors and evils we must confront and expose.

Yet, there is much for which to be thankful.

I'm personally thankful for my wife, Elizabeth, my children, and my extended
family for the personal, unconditional love and inspiration they give me to
carry on.

I'm thankful for the people who surround me in my work here at
WorldNetDaily.com.

I'm thankful for a small group of people who, like me, battle every day to
confront injustice - Judicial Watch's Larry Klayman, my good friend and
attorney, Rush and David Limbaugh, Geoff Metcalf, Jane Chastain, Chuck
Harder, Michael Reagan, Melanie Morgan, Warren Duffy, George Putnam, Ray
Briem, Dr. Laura Schlessinger, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Sean Hannity, Ted
Baehr and others. These are folks who will never run for political office but
make a far more important contribution to our culture through their
conscience-driven activism.

I'm thankful for a small group of journalistic colleagues, as well. I think,
especially, of Bill Gertz, Matt Drudge, Robert Morton, Doug Thompson, and
Paul Sperry - all of whom stand up to the establishment, to the conventions
of our day, in their relentless desire to seek truth.

I'm thankful for those who came before us in America and left us with at
least the vestiges of freedom - from George Washington to Ronald Reagan.

I'm thankful there are hundreds of thousands of people out there in America
and throughout the world who turn to WorldNetDaily for their news every day.

I'm thankful for some of my closest friends who have been with me through
some trying times in my life - especially Jesse Corti and Mark Masters.

I'm thankful I'm alive, I'm healthy and I am able to speak out on the issues
of the day. I'm thankful I've been blessed with a talent to inform people, to
entertain them, and to make them think.

All of these thanks are directed one place - toward Heaven, to God. That's
what Thanksgiving is really all about. Don't forget it as you sit down to
enjoy your turkey today. This is a very spiritual American holiday - or at
least it should be. Remember to invite God to your table today. Ask Him to
continue blessing America - to purge it of evil and to shower it with His
love.

We don't deserve what we have, America. So it would be a good time to get
down on your knees and thank God for His grace, His mercy and His bountiful
blessings. That's what I'll be doing today. And I'll be thinking of all of
you and hoping and praying you do the same.

The Psalms of Thanksgiving:

"That I may publish with the voice of thanksgiving, and tell of all thy
wondrous works" (Psalms 26:7).

"Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High" (Psalms
50:14).

"I will praise the name of God with a song, and will magnify him with
thanksgiving" (Psalms 69:30).

"Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise
unto him with psalms" (Psalms 95:2).

"Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be
thankful unto him, and bless his name" (Psalms 100:4).

"And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works
with rejoicing" (Psalms 107:22).

"I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the
name of the LORD" (Psalms 116:17).

"Sing unto the LORD with thanksgiving; sing praise upon the harp unto our
God" (Psalms 147:7).



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[CTRL] CSA Constitution

1999-11-26 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Via http://www.lewrockwell.com/

From http://www.freedixie.net/const/const_page.html

Note:  Some linques provided; others are embedded in the text at the site.
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The Confederate States Constitution
The Confederate Constitution is undergoing a renaissance. In fact, some
scholars, including constitutional historian Marshall DeRosa, even consider it
a improvement in several respects over its predecessor and principal source of
inspiration, the the U.S. Constitution of 1787. In honor of the Confederate
Constitution, we're pleased to present what is presumably the first C.S.
Constitution page, replete with a comprehensive FAQ. This is far from a
complete page, but over the next few months we hope to add other resources,
including essays and speeches by Confederate-era statesmen discussing the
merits of the C.S. Constitution.
Confederate Constitution: An Overview
Who and what inspired the Confederate Constitution. How many Confederate
Constitutions were there? Who had a hand in drafting the document. Was the
Confederate Constitution virtually a carbon copy of the U.S. Constitution or
were there some significant changes? Read this FAQ and find out for yourself.
If you don't have time to read the FAQ, check out this short essay on the
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http://www.freedixie.net/const/confed.html

To understand the Confederate Constitution, one should have a firm grasp of
states rights theory. So, if your understanding of states rights is a little
rusty, read our States Rights FAQ.
http://www.freedixie.net/const/rights.html

We've also added complete texts of the Provisional and Permanent Confederate
Constitutions as well as the first clause-by-clause comparison of the U.S. and
C.S. Constitutions available on-line.
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Preamble and Article I
http://www.freedixie.net/const/compare.html

Article II
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Article III
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Article IV
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Article V
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Article VI
http://www.freedixie.net/const/compare6.html

Article VII
http://www.freedixie.net/const/compare7.html

What They Said About The C.S. Constitution
Like their 18th century predecessors, the men who drafted the Confederate
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Chapter III of his Civil History of the Confederate Government that the
Confederate States Constitution of 1861 was a vast improvement over its
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Constitutional View of the Late War Between the States, former Confederate Vice
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[CTRL] Despite international protests, Ukraine restarts Chernobyl

1999-11-26 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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Despite international protests, Ukraine restarts Chernobyl  Copyright ©
1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press
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By MARINA SYSOYEVA

KIEV, Ukraine (November 26, 1999 7:19 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) -
The Ukrainian authorities Friday restarted the last working nuclear reactor
at the Chernobyl power plant, ignoring strong international pressure to
shut it down.

Reactor No. 3 was restarted at 5:30 a.m. Friday after almost five months of
repairs. It was initially running at about 5 percent of capacity and was
gradually increasing its output, said a spokeswoman for the plant who
declined to give her name. She would not say when the reactor was expected
to reach full power.

Officials at Chernobyl insist that reactor No. 3 is safe and is free of any
potential Y2K bugs - the glitches where a computer might misread the last
two digits of a date and mistake the year 2000 for 1900.

Western governments and environmental groups have long urged Ukraine to
close the plant, and a 1995 agreement between Ukraine and the Group of
Seven leading industrialized nations said the plant should be closed by the
year 2000.

"We're completely opposed to restarting Chernobyl," Ben Pearson, an
anti-nuclear campaigner in the Amsterdam office of the environmental group
Greenpeace, said earlier this week. "Chernobyl is probably the most
dangerous reactor in the world."

The Ukrainian government says it is planning to shut down Chernobyl
sometime next year. But the government says it needs $1.2 billion from the
West to finish construction of two new reactors to replace the output that
will be lost by closing Chernobyl.

The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, which has played a
leading role in the discussions on financing, was supposed to make a loan
decision in September. But it has taken no action, and other potential
lenders are expected to wait for the EBRD before they commit any money.

The Chernobyl plant originally had four working nuclear reactors. However,
reactor No. 4 exploded in April 1986, spewing radiation over much of
Europe. Ukrainian authorities have blamed 8,000 deaths on the world's
worst-ever nuclear accident.

That reactor has been encased in a steel-and-concrete sarcophagus, and the
two others have been permanently shut down. One was destroyed in the 1986
accident.

Meanwhile, workers have begun repairs on the sarcophagus, which was hastily
constructed after the accident to prevent additional radiation leaks. The
workers will strengthen the sarcophagus' concrete beams, working through
December from both inside and outside the huge structure.

Ukraine continues to operate 14 reactors at five power plants, which supply
about 40 percent of the country's energy. While some Ukrainians want to see
Chernobyl and other Soviet-designed nuclear plants shut, Ukrainian
authorities face much greater pressure from governments and environmental
groups in the West.


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[CTRL] Fw: :Why did the US attack Yugoslavia? (fwd)

1999-11-26 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

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Subject: Why did the US attack Yugoslavia? (fwd)


On another list  "The philosophy, work  influences of Noam Chomsky"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] someone asked for a succinct (less than
300 word) statement explaining the U$-NATO actions in Kosovo.

 This is the first response I've seen

MichaelP


The answer is simple.   The ex-Soviet Bloc is a huge terrain with many
valuable resources, that stretched from Poland, all the way around to
Mongolia.The Balkans are an important region of geopolitical and
military significance. The US intervention effectively cut off the
advance of German imperialism into the region. It also cut European
ties to Turkey,  that could have challenged US hegemony from being
maintained.

Most importantly,  it soidified the US/ Turkey alliance to advance into
the Turkish speaking, oil producing regions of the former Soviet Union.
This struggle to capture the oil of the Caspian Basin away from Russia,
probably was the principle cause for US intervention.

Now,  the US has established the "Right" to intervene for "humanitarian
reasons".Plus, it has established it's military presence in Eastern
Europe.

This strategy of supporting alienated national minorities in their
search to realign themselves with powerful protectors,  is the strategy
that Hitler used to launch his original military offensives. We can
now see a virtual army of lobbyists,  for "the rights of oppressed
mniorities",  lining up in Washington, D.C. to build support for US
assistance. They come from around the globe;  Africa, Asia, and
Europe.

It's a life or death choice for many,  to be in alliance with US
imperialism,  as opposed to being it's enemy.Still, American
activists need to differentiate, between oppressed minorities within the
Imperialist Bloc,  and those oppressed minorities who are allying
themselves with imperialist interests, to gain protection for their own
causes.

It is clear that many US, Australian, and European activists have
difficulty in accepting any difference between the 2 groups of oppressed
nationalities. As a result, their campaigns of support for the Right
of Self Determination,  often are echoes of imperialist war propaganda.
While their voices remain supportive, but largely muted,  in mobilizing
support for those national minorities opposing US imperialism.

What is even worse.  is that many activists did not support building a
movement against US intervention during the war. They have not
supported building a movement to try Clinton, Blair, etc. for war crimes
afterwards, either. Their voices are absent, and their presence is
elsewhere, as the US military domination of US society continues
unabated.

This is a great victory for the US government. Demobilizing
opposition to militaristic imperialism,  by confusing the population
with "humanistic" propaganda.There are many on the Left who will
deactivate themselves, when the  "enemy" is seen as impure. We need
to convince them,  not to do so.

Sincerely..Tony Abdo.



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[CTRL] Hitler And The Holy Lance

1999-11-26 Thread earthman

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Hitler And The Holy Lance
http://user.fastinet.net/kalogonis/index/hitler.htm

Many strange stories about Nazi Germany have come down to us in the
years since the fall of the Third Reich. But none is more strange or
incredible than the one about Hitler and the Spear of Longinus.
According to tradition, the Spear of Longinus was the spear which had
pierced the side of Christ as he hung upon the cross. Biblical prophecy
had decreed that not a bone of the Messiah's body would be broken, and
it is believed by many that the piercing of Christ's body by Longinus'
Spear helped for that prophecy to be fulfilled. For the breaking of the
legs of the two thieves foretold the fate to which Jesus' body would
have been subjected had not Longinus proven to the other Roman soldiers
that Christ was already dead.

Thus, the early Christian community at Jerusalem understood the fact
that Jesus' bones had not been broken as being further proof that he
really was who he said he was---the Messiah predicted by the Old
Testament prophets (not the least of whom was Daniel, who had actually
predicted the exact day that the Messiah would be proclaimed to be the
King of Israel).

At any rate, a legend came to center around the spear which Hitler
believed in very strongly; that whosoever possessed the spear and
understood its powers for serving good and evil could conquer the world.
The spear which Hitler believed to be the True Spear had a history which
could be traced at least as far back as Constantine the Great, the Roman
Emperor who had legalized Christianity. In addition to Constantine, the
spear had been possessed by such men as Theodosius, Alaric (who sacked
Rome), Theodoric who turned back Attila the Hun, Justinian, Charles
Martel (who had defeated the Moslems at the Battle of Poitiers),
Charlemagne, 5 Saxon emperors who succeeded the Carolingian Dynasty, 7
Hohenstauffen emperors including Frederick Barbarossa and Frederick II,
and others as well.

Germanic tradition held that Charlemagne had kept the spear with him
throughout 47 victorious battles, and had only died when he accidentally
dropped it. Barbarossa, like Charlemagne, died within minutes of
dropping it as he crossed a stream. Following these warriors, apart from
Hitler, no conqueror had paid the legend any heed during the next 500
years with the exception of Napoleon who attempted to take it following
the Battle of Austerlitz. Unfortunately for him, it had already been
smuggled out of Vienna just prior to the battle, and he never obtained
it.

Today, the Lance belongs to the House of Hapsburg, and rests in the
Hoffburg Museum in Vienna, just as it did in 1938 when Hitler seized it
in the name of the Reich. After having declared Austria to be a part of
the Reich, der Fuehrer had it loaded on to an armored SS train and taken
to Nuremberg on October 13. There it remained in St. Catherine's Church
for the next 6 years until it was removed to a safer, protective
underground vault where Lt. Walter William Horn, serial number 01326328,
of the United States Army took possession of it in the name of the US
government at 2:10 PM on April 30, 1945.

With the fall the Soviet Union, and the opening up of Soviet archives in
addition to recent testimony by former Soviet soldiers who actually
captured Hitler's Bunker in Berlin, we have finally been able to confirm
that at approximately 3:30 PM, just 80 minutes after the United States
took possession of the Spear, that Hitler committed suicide by shooting
himself in the head.

A strange story, indeed. But true nevertheless. And in conjunction with
that story, in an effort to disseminate the truth about Nazi occult
activity, and other related topics, this Web Site is dedicated to
publicizing the links between Nazism and the occult as well as other
possible links between the occult and other modern political
organizations. I hope you are well rewarded by your time spent exploring
in this Web Site, and that you will write to me and express your
thoughts on the subject.

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Re: [CTRL] Clinton's appeasement of N. Korea

1999-11-26 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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 It's this imminent threat that is either totally unrecognized by the
Clinton
 administration or, for reasons unknown, is being ignored.

You don't have far to look Bill.  China likes N. Korea...ring any bells?

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Thanks for what?

1999-11-26 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 11/26/99 5:53:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 I'm thankful for a small group of people who, like me, battle every day to
 confront injustice - Judicial Watch's Larry Klayman, my good friend and
 attorney, Rush and David Limbaugh, Geoff Metcalf, Jane Chastain, Chuck
 Harder, Michael Reagan, Melanie Morgan, Warren Duffy, George Putnam, Ray
 Briem, Dr. Laura Schlessinger, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Sean Hannity, Ted
 Baehr and others. These are folks who will never run for political office but
 make a far more important contribution to our culture through their
 conscience-driven activism 

Jesus Christ This lot, with FEW exceptions ought to be rounded up and
used for Nazi/Unit 731-type medical experiments...Klayman? See how far a guy
bounces off a speeding car.  Mikey Reagan? Let's discover how quickly a mind
goes after daddy's cash is no longer free-flowing. "Dr" Laura??? I'll
PERSONALLY oversee this hypocrite's SLOW demise...
Gawd dude, haven't you ANYTHING real to be thankful for?
How bloody depressing!!!

Bill.

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[CTRL] BioPiracy issue - WTO/Seattle- activist organizational info

1999-11-26 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
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GUARDIAN (London) Monday November 22, 1999

Genetic patenting row looms over WTO talks

Developing world accuses US, Europe of 'bio-piracy'
by John Vidal

A major row is threatening to break out at the opening of the World Trade
Organisation's talks in Seattle next week over the patenting of the
genetic make-up of plants and animals to develop new drugs.

The US and Europe insist that corporations should be allowed to patent all
plants and animals despite existing international laws and understandings
which provide for protection of natural resources.

India, Malaysia, Zimbabwe and other African and Latin American countries
have accused the US and Europe of "bio-piracy". The Indians are
particularly worried because US and European corporations have started to
patent their traditional herbal medecines.

In heated backroom talks in Geneva designed to iron out differences before
the inter-governmental meeting, Mike Moore, the head of the organisation
responsible for setting the world's trading laws, is reported to have
dismissed developing countries' objections by saying that the WTO
overrides all other international treaties.

The US/EU proposals would force all countries to broaden their patenting
laws, but the developing countries are resisting strongly. They say that
patents on all life forms should be excluded from the negotiations of the
Trade Related Intellectual Property (Trips) agreement which is scheduled
for renegotiation in the talks.

If that is not possible, they argue that patents should be excluded for
products and processes based on traditional knowledge. The gap between the
two blocs is now extreme with the US and Europe responding that wider
patents will improve health care and stimulate wealth.

More than 500 non-governmental groups from more than 50 countries have
written to President Clinton urging the US to temper its patenting
demands. They are not likely to succeed because the powerful US
biotechnology and pharmaceutical industries have long wanted global
patenting laws based on the US model.

The problem which the US must overcome is that the patenting proposals
clash with other international laws. Another sticking point is
agriculture, with the rich countries trying to force a further opening up
of markets to their goods. The developing world, say India and others,
must be allowed to protect and support their farmers up to the point of
self-sufficiency.

Prospects for the Seattle talks setting an agreed agenda are not
considered high. "I have never seen such confusion in 21 years of
international talks," says trade analyst Chakrabathi Raghavan in Geneva.
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Re: [CTRL] Ancient One

1999-11-26 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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Ancient One thought this was very sad. He called Red People, Black
People, Yellow People, and White People to him and said to them. "The
ways taught to you by your Elders, and your Mothers and Fathers, and
Teachers, and Books are sacred. It is good that you respect those ways, for
they are the ways of your ancestors. But the ancestors no longer walk on the
Face of the Earth Mother. You have forgotten your own Vision. Your Vision is
right for you but no one else. Now each of you must pray for your own
Vision, and be still enough to see it, so you can follow the way of the
heart. It is a hard way. It is a good way.

But said Modern One, Black People, White People, Yellow People and Red People,
Grey People and Green People could forget about Being Outwith the One Temple
of the Earth Mother and come together, Nations United to Worship under the
One Temple of a New Ordering of the World.
And this would be a goodly thing for no longer Profane - we would all
acknowledge
our similarities and give praise to the Illuminated Great Architect of the
Universe,
in whose palm is the World of the Grey Peoples, the World of the Green
Peoples and
the World of the Earth Mother.

Ah, said Ancient One . sounds like a goodly scam.
Right On, said Modern One.

Andrew Hennessey


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[CTRL] Roboconspiracy.

1999-11-26 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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"Outer Limits" TV series has outclassed the X Files series. A recurring
theme is "Robots vs. Humans" and no-one portrays it better than these
guys. Are those clever robots so clever that they are using humans to
evolve their soon-to-be-dominant species? Kinda makes you wonder, eh?
In the last Outer Limits issue (last week) the robots were in control,
using human slaves to take care of some aspects of their RM. Of course
there is a slave rebellion. In the previous issue the humans had the upper
hand and the robots were in rebellion.
FWP.

http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology-EEL.htm

On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:

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 Dear ESPP Members: Since my system cannot read the attachments I'll take
 a chance that the theme for ESPP 2000 has not yet been set. That being so,
 may I suggest "Artificial Life"? The AL field to date has been almost
 exclusively dominated by AI/Computing people but I think philosophers and
 psychologists should have a lot to say about it. Is it an important field?
 Well, if robots meet the criteria for a new life form, humankind has
 created a new species on the planet...a species which may soon prove to be
 far more intelligent, with greater learning ability than the hitherto
 "most highly evolved species". I think that is important. And I think it
 is inevitable that it will happen, some time in C21.
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[CTRL] IUFO: Permanent Robotic Outposts in Space (fwd)

1999-11-26 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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And what if those robotic outposts have programs built into them for
autonomous evolution (ie growth and development)?
FWP.

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JPL Chief Predicts Permanent Robotic Outposts in Space

7.00 a.m. ET (1100 GMT) November 25, 1999 By Matthew Fordahl
PASADENA, Calif. — In a lecture that sometimes sounded more like science
fiction than science, a NASA official said the next era of space exploration
will involve missions that last for years rather than weeks and will
eventually pave the way for manned probes to the planets.
Edward Stone, director of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, said he foresaw a
network of orbiting communications satellites on Mars as well as rovers that
drive around for miles and construct the robotic outposts.

"It's a logical next step," he said Nov. 16. "But it will depend on the
development of technology so that we can bring `up there' back here through
the power of communications."

Stone, chief scientist of the Voyager project to the outer planets and
director of NASA's lead center for interplanetary probes since 1991, made his
comments during the Carl Sagan Memorial Lecture at the American Astronautical
Society's annual meeting.

Stone did not mention the recent loss of the $125 million Mars Climate
Orbiter, which was managed at his lab, or the NASA investigation report that
criticized JPL navigators and managers for failing to catch the metric error
that doomed the craft.

The orbiter and the Mars Polar Lander, which is scheduled to arrive at the
Red Planet on Dec. 3, are part of the space agency's plan to send smaller
spacecraft into space more often and at less cost than in the past.

Rather than dwell on tight budgets, Stone suggested that the "faster, better,
cheaper" mantra espoused by NASA Administrator Daniel Goldin is actually the
natural course of space exploration.

The first probes launched to other planets in the 1960s proved the
technology, he said. The second-era spacecraft, which were launched in the
1970s and 1980s, were loaded with expensive instruments that were well suited
for global studies of the planets.

But the billions of dollars spent on massive probes like the Viking landers
on Mars as well as Voyager and Cassini to the outer planets were worth the
cost, he said.

"This era of going once a decade with these large comprehensive missions has
given us enough information so that we are now smart enough to ask the most
important questions," Stone said.

The $165 million Mars Polar Lander is part of the third generation of
spacecraft: It has a limited science agenda of searching for water and
studying the atmosphere — answering questions raised by the big probes and
proving technology for the next era.

A more in-depth understanding of other planets, including whether life was
ever present, will require robotic outposts over a period of years rather
than the current 30 to 60 days, he said.

Such missions will use existing energy sources on the planets rather than
importing fuel from Earth. A fleet of communications satellites will provide
nearly constant contact with home. And onboard instruments will drill deep
into the planet, unlike the literal scratching of the surface by today's
probes.

Stone, who did not make cost or time estimates, also predicted rovers will
explore the surface of other planets. Unlike Sojourner aboard Mars
Pathfinder, future vehicles will be able to cross much greater distances, he
said.

Sagan, who popularized space science in books and television before his death
in 1996, said the greatest benefit of exploration is that it helps people
understand their place in the universe.

"Perspective is the most fundamental return of what we get from exploration,"
Stone said. "Although we have just begun the third era of exploration, we
nevertheless have to have a large view of the future so that we can be
prepared and shape that future."





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Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a homophobe

1999-11-26 Thread Maggie

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- Original Message -
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: : There were no laws or traditions against incest --
except: those, perhaps, written on the hearts of men by God from the
beginning of
: time. Ask yourself, if it's not biblical morality that stops us from
moving down
: this slippery slope, what is it?

How about the morality that is written on the "hearts of men (and women) by
God from the beginning of time"?? I don't believe in God, but I believe in
knowing what is right. I believe in personal ethics and responsibilty. When
I falter I do not think the devil got me - I strive to do better next time,
and do.
I don't need a book to tell me what is right or wrong, I know it in my
heart.
What I don't understand is why otherwise intelligent people seem to need
this. Would you not know what is right or wrong without the bible?  If you
had never read it, you wouldn't know if you had done wrong??


: Because lust has no natural boundaries. The thirst for perversion
: is never quenched. One form leads to another and another and another.

Is this from personal experience? I think it's interesting that so many men
who feel so righteous about God more often than not always bring it down to
sex. Saying thisngs like the above - "the thirst for perversion is never
quenched". It comes across as a personal grappling with some frightening
issue I could never imagine. As if men are slavering horny beasts barely
restraining their urges to rape women and sodomize whatever they can get
their hands on. That has never been my expereince with men or women. Never.




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[CTRL] Phony Oswald DONT RESEND ON LIST!

1999-11-26 Thread Kirimaku

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NO GEEZE IT IS ALMOST 700KB!!

I had an awful time getting my email since - it kept timing out so
DONT DO THAT AGAIN!

Please just send directly to those people who want it and in the future
please as the list to let you know if anyone wants it  to contact you
person to person instead of the list!

Thank you for your consideration of this matter and this list!
Kirimaku

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but
within an email?

Thanks,

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[CTRL] J. PIERPONT MORGAN

1999-11-26 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
McCLURE'S MAGAZINE.©1901
VOL. XVII.   --  OCTOBER, 1901.  --  No. 6.

J. PIERPONT MORGAN.

By RAY STANNARD BAKER,
Author of Character Sketches of Theodore Roosevelt, Admiral Sampson, General
Leonard Wood, etc.

A FEW months ago an American citizen without title or office landed in
England, and so apprehensive was Threadneedle Street of his power in the
financial world, and of the effect which his sudden death might have on the
markets, that certain brokers, to protect themselves, in their American
investments, immediately took the extraordinary measure of applying to
Lloyd's for insurance on his life, paying premiums at the rate of thirty
pounds on the thousand for three months.

This citizen was J. Pierpont Morgan, who had just organized the most powerful
industrial and financial institution the world has ever known. It matters not
whether he was a large owner in the United States Steel Corporation; as its
recognized and actual dictator, he controlled a yearly income and expenditure
nearly as great as that of imperial Germany, paid taxes on a debt greater
than that of many of the lesser nations of Europe, and by employing two
hundred and fifty thousand men, supported a population of over one million
souls, almost a nation in itself. Iron and steel making has long been known
as the basic industry. England's greatness and Germany's recent progress were
due largely to their ability to produce iron and steel cheaply and in, large
quantities. Mr. Morgan, as iron-master, controlling the world's greatest and
cheapest sources of iron supply, threatened the trade and profits of England
and Germany, both of which had already felt the sharp tooth of American
competition. It is no wonder, therefore, that be was regarded at the moment
as the American peril incarnate.

While in England Mr. Morgan bought—whether for himself or for American
clients, it matters not-one of the greatest of English steamship companies
the Leyland line, operating thirty-eight vessels between Europe and America.
This move, following so closely upon the organization of the Steel Trust, was
interpreted at first as a blow to England's supremacy on the seas. It was
natural and inevitable that Europe should anxiously inquire as to the further
intentions of this man, to whom the purchase of a great steamship line seemed
only the incident of a holiday.

About the same time still another episode brought into high relief Mr.
Morgan's power. A panic occurred in the London Stock Exchange, resulting from
the great financial struggle between Mr. Morgan and certain opposing
interests for the control of the Northern Pacific Railway. A number of
English traders must have faced ruin, with serious subsequent effects to the
whole market, if Mr. Morgan bad not stepped in and relieved the situation by
accepting small payments from the distressed traders where he might have
exacted his pound of flesh.

No one could follow the accounts of his doings in England, and of the deep
concern which his presence caused, without realizing the meaning of power.
Mr. Morgan, no doubt, controls and influences more money and money interests
to-day than any other man in the world. Perhaps no one, not even Mr. Morgan
himself, fully realizes the responsibility and gravity of that power. Certain
it is that the death to-day of Mr. Morgan would disturb more capital and
shake more settled business institutions than the death of almost any
sovereign in Europe.

If Mr. Morgan were merely rich, he would not be worth thoughtful attention
except as a social problem ; but his own riches constitute the least of his
claims to distinction. Nowadays a rich man has little more opportunity to
reach a commanding place in the world than a poor man, and often his very
riches hamper his advancement. Native force and genius, sustained with bard
work, govern progress among men of wealth as in any other class. Twenty-five
years ago Mr. Morgan was practically unknown even in Wall Street, and be
could hardly be called wealthy as wealth is now measured. By deep thinking
and hard work be has reached, at the age of sixty-four years, the foremost
place in American finance. He is the most advanced expression Of a new world
movement, that of "community of interest," of consolidation; he saw that
great combinations were to constitute the next step in the development of
industry and commerce, and be took early advantage of his sagacity.

Mr. Morgan, therefore, is to be considered not as a millionaire, but as a man
of original force. Whether or not be has used his unquestioned genius to the
highest purpose, whether or not he deserves all the credit or all the abuse
that be has received, are questions the future alone will be able to answer.

Americans of great wealth may be divided into two classes: those who are
self-made and those who inherit their riches. The self-made millionaire,
although by no means unknown in old Europe, is peculiarly an American
product, and there is no 

[CTRL] Y2K - engineered BANG or WHIMPER

1999-11-26 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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Y2K = engineered BANG or WHIMPER

We can feel the hype - guns, UN mobilisation, implants, detention camps,
oil disasters - martial law - reptile invasions - more alleged comets to
hype it all up - Great Pyramid baloney  etc etc  so we ask -
how does our world end  with the Y2K BANG . or is there a another
explanation ?? I would like to look at the Y2K WHIMPER.

The Secret establishment for years has been building up its stores -
underground cities - alien deals, offworld colonies - a veritable Empire of
underworld and interplanetary connections.
The massive military industrial complex has succeeded in organising human
anarchy and chaos into a fairly dependable chain of supply and demand 
and despite the reds under the bed scares - has used war and economy and
wage slavery to tame the naturally anarchic masses.
They have their dreams of course ... total mainframe control, implants 
but there are too many of us.
They have embarked upon population control measures that have been brutally
enforced  and the world is succesfully chained to their Capital based reality.
They know that the Planet may be due all sorts of disasters and that time
is running out for the status quo  but what they need the most are
their factories running, their production outlets going at full throttle -
happy slaves turning over as fast as possible as hard as possible - right
up to the last moment that they are not needed - for then - the masters
simply climb underground or jump on a starship - discarding their drones as
they head off to colonise some other hapless world.
The date of Drone/Hive Discard cannot be Y2K  its far too soon.
They cannot afford to disrupt the population and the factory turnovers -
they will simply keep on doing what they're doing now - business as usual =
misinformation as usual, confusion as usual - and their covert e-war and
psyops will remain in the shadows - for I think perhaps that they will
present no easy target or political handle to gel any opposition to -
divide and conquer - politics and lies - the factories must keep running -
the stocks must keep building - for the human race hasn't long left before
crustal shifts etc etc
I don't think we'll see an anti-christ or holograms or aliens - it will all
be a carefully orchestrated confusion and anticlimax - nothing too much to
disturb the stock market and the busy drones.

So, I'm not holding my breath for Y2K . because the closest I think
we'll get to 'real x-files' is the tv series - they need us confused and
uninformed -
perhaps many of us really want some event which may make a change to our
reality -  the busy ANTZ dream away of heroquests  but the 'dark
satanic mills' keep churning out the supplies for the New Colonies until
every last drop has been squeezed from this planet.

After that . who needs those old Drones ???

Andrew Hennessey
Transformation Studies Group
Edinburgh   Scotland

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Re: [CTRL] Despite international protests, Ukraine restarts Chernobyl

1999-11-26 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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At 05:44 PM 26, 11, , 1999 -0700, you wrote:
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Despite international protests, Ukraine restarts Chernobyl

strategic blackmail - better look after us and don't have a war near our
backyard and we'll make another mess if you don't invest in us.

Andrew

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[CTRL] OKC bombing - FBI Special Agent accused of perjury -new trials for McVeigh and Nichols?

1999-11-26 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave

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Department of Justice's Office of Inspector General scalds Oklahoma
City FBI Evidence Program . . . FBI Special Agent accused of perjury

www.ar-chronicle.com

OKLAHOMA CITY (NOV 24 1999) A detailed 206-page secret report of an
internal U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) probe was issued on November
18, 1999. In it are details of serious internal problems and flaws in
the Oklahoma City FBI Field Office. That office investigated the 1995
death of federal prisoner Kenneth Michael Trentadue. That same office
spearheaded the investigation of the Oklahoma City Murrah Federal
Building bombing. Investigations into both cases, believed to be
unrelated, ran concurrently out of the Oklahoma City Field Office.

 Chronicle reporters had requested a copy of the report over a year ago
and had been assured a copy from the Justice Department's Office of the
Inspector General (OIG) when it was completed, and initially assumed
that the report had been sent on that basis.

 The report, which discusses the alleged suicide of a federal prisoner,
also roundly condemned the handling of physical evidence in the FBI's
Oklahoma City Field Office. OIG investigators recommended that four DOJ
employees, including a veteran FBI agent, be prosecuted for perjury
before the federal grand jury and/or false statements to federal
investigators as a result of their conduct in the Trentadue case.

 Shortly before press time, Chronicle reporters learned than an
internal probe was underway at the U.S. Department of Justice, the goal
of which is to determine how Arkansas Chronicle reporters obtained an
"unredacted" copy of the internal and apparently secret Justice
Department report.

 According to a letter faxed to U.S. District Court Judge Tim Leonard
in Oklahoma City, on November 24, 1999, by Robert Ashbaugh, Acting
Inspector General, OIG investigators are now investigating how the
report, which Ashbaugh claims contains secret grand jury material, fell
into the hands of reporters.

 The Chronicle's copy of the report was one which was never intended
for release outside the Department of Justice according to OIG
spokesman Paul Martin. According to the OIG, such reports are released
only after careful removal of information that the DOJ feels is too
sensitive for public review. The OIG immediately requested return of
the report.
---
 While the OIG report also concluded that Trentadue committed suicide,
and the bulk of the OIG report deals with Trentadue related issues, it
also touches on matters not directly related to the case.

 The voluminous OIG report contains a scathing assessment of the
Oklahoma City Field Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. It
cites FBI managers there as being uncooperative, and says they failed
to protect physical evidence the OIG requested, allowing it to go to a
paper shredder even after promising to protect it in order to
facilitate possible criminal prosecution of an Oklahoma City based FBI
agent.

 OIG investigators include in their report a section entitled,
"Systemic Problems with the FBI Oklahoma City Evidence Program." That
section of the OIG report may soon spell yet more trouble for an
already embattled FBI Field Office.

 The OIG report describes in detail how an Oklahoma City FBI employee
was hired as mail clerk but placed in the position of "Evidence Control
Technician (ECT)," after receiving "inadequate training." The entire
training of the person consisted of "two weeks of on-the-job training,"
according to OIG findings.

 The ECT was drawn into the investigation when a dispute arose as to
when a FBI agent turned-in evidence in the Trentadue case. The OIG
report claims he was found to have lied about it.

 The ECT and the evidence control process are likely to soon be at the
center of yet another controversy. According to a FBI source in
Oklahoma City, "She [the ECT] had, at one time or another, complete
access and sometimes custody over a lot of the OKBOMB evidence."
"OKBOMB" is the code name the FBI assigned to its investigation of the
bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in April, 1995.

 The report states the ECT was observed by a supervisor as being
someone who "was not grasping the training." In an OIG interview, the
technician admitted that she "had not been trained as of August 1995 in
all of the areas that [I] needed in order to perform [my] duties."

 The technician was finally sent by Oklahoma City FBI managers for
training at FBI Headquarters, but that training came in March, 1997,
some eighteen months after being placed in the job.

 The OIG investigators apparently see serious overall implications of
having an untrained person handling critical evidence in criminal
cases. "Based on our review, we became concerned about broader problems
in the way evidence was handled by the FBI/OKC, particularly the manner
in which chain of custody of evidence was documented. For 

[CTRL] WTO Satellitecast, IndyMedia, Paper Tiger TV

1999-11-26 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


***
DEEP DISH TELEVISION  THE INDEPENDENT MEDIA CENTER -  SEATTLE
in collaboration with Paper Tiger TV, Freespeech TV, Whispered Media,
Changing America and hundreds of grassroots media activists present

Showdown in Seattle: Five Days that Shook the WTO

FIVE EMERGENCY TRANSMISSIONS  •
SPECIAL DAILY SATELLITE FEEDS ON THE
WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION

NOVEMBER 30, DEC 1, 2, 3, 4
everyday at 2PM EST (11AM Pacific) on
W1, TRANSPONDER 13. 103° West
Transmitted free to community cable and PBS stations in the US:

***
Each day we will transmit a one hour satellite feed: one half hour about

the activities in Seattle , and another half hour documentary about
globalization.

Day One November 30,1999, 2PM EST (11AM Pacific)
Seattle Overview 30:00
Global Village or Global Pillage 30:00
This project shows constructive ways ordinary people around the world
are addressing the impact of globalization on their communities,
workplaces, and environments. It weaves together video of local and
transnational activities, interviews, music, and original video comics
to show that, through grassroots organizing combined with mutual support

around the world, ordinary people can empower themselves to deal with
the global economy. Produced by Jeremy Brecher, Tim Costello, Brendan
Smith

Day Two December 1, 1999, 2PM EST (11AM Pacific)
Seattle Report: Global Sweatshop: Working in the New World Order 30:00
Crisis of Capital, Hope of Labor 30:00
This powerful video provides a fast moving compilation of the recent
struggles of the Korean Labor Movement. General strikes, mobilizing
thousands of workers and their families, have successfully shut down
entire cities as labor has forced "neo-liberal" economic reforms to be
reconsidered. Neo-liberal reforms in Korea, not unlike those imposed on
countries like Indonesia, Brazil, and Mexico, have caused considerable
social unrest, and have devastated the lives of working people across
the globe. The Korean Labor Movement serves as an extraordinary example
of people working together to resist these oftentimes inhumane economic
practices, and to seek a future of their own choosing. Produced by
Korean Labor News Production

Day Three December 2, 1999, 2PM EST (11AM Pacific)
Seattle Report: Grassroots VS Globalization: the Money and the Law 30:00

Cancel the Debt Now 30:00
Jubilee 2000 is a worldwide movement to cancel the unpayable debts of
the most impoverished countries in the world by the end of the year
2000. This film explains the origin of these debts, and why they should
be canceled. It shows the devastating impact of debt upon the people and

the environment in poor countries, and it invites the American people to

work in solidarity with people from the developing countries to help
alleviate the suffering of hundreds of millions of people throughout
Africa, Latin America and Asia. Produced by Anne Macksoud

Day Four December 3, 1999, 2PM EST (11AM Pacific)
Seattle Report: Hunger, the Land and the Banks 30:00
Haiti's Piggy Bank: The Loss and Recovery of the Creole Pig 30:00
In Haiti's rugged countryside, the Creole pig was a poor family's most
important economic asset, a staple for both food and culture. When swine

flue broke out in 1980, USAID pressured Haiti to eradicate this
indigenous pig population. This video shows the self-interest of US aid,

the interconnected nature of resources, and the trauma caused by harsh
agricultural policies imposed from above. But it also teaches that
resistance can bring renewal and hope: through grassroots and human
rights assistance, the Creole pig has returned. This is an example of
how local capacities can solve local problems. Produced by Robin Lloyd

Day Five December 4, 1999, 2PM EST (11AM Pacific)
Seattle Summary: Where Do We Go From Here? 30:00
Deadly Embrace: Nicaragua, The World Bank, and the IMF 30:00
The war in Nicaragua is not over; it has only become more invisible to
the outside world. Deadly Embrace traces the history of U.S. involvement

in the region, focusing on the current economic attack of the IMF, the
World Bank and U.S. agencies. The tape combines footage of the everyday
struggle to survive with a textbook-clear analysis of structural
adjustment, the debt crisis and free trade. After five years of IMF and
World Bank programs, Nicaragua has experienced the worst economic
collapse in its history and has been reduced to one of the poorest
countries in the world. Nicaragua's situation is not unique ? six
million children die each year in the Third World because of IMF and
World Bank policies. Produced by Liz Canner.

CALL YOUR LOCAL CABLE STATION AND MAKE SURE THEY DOWNLINK THIS IMPORTANT
SERIES.
Watch for the webcast coverage at www.indymedia.org and
www.freespeech.org

FOR MORE INFORMATION
Deep Dish Television, 339 Lafayette 

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a homophobe

1999-11-26 Thread nessie

 -Caveat Lector-

So, if you're going to tear down the walls of 5,000 years of law and
Judeo-Christian tradition with regard to homosexuality, perhaps you should
consider the next domino to fall. Will it be incest? Will it be pederasty?

Or (shudder) the wearing of clothes made from the mixing of cotton and
wool threads, also forbidden by Leviticus.

I wonder, does Mr. Farah "round the corners" of his beard, also forbidden
by Leviticus. Perhaps in the depths of his depravity he even practices
Capitalism in open defiance of Acts 2:44.


If the Bible is not the authority -- the ultimate moral guide on such
matters -- what is?

That's what they say about the Rig Veda, the Pali Sutras, the Koran and
Mao's Little Red Book. Letting other people, particularly dead people,
think for you is the way of children. Grow up. Put aside childish things.
Think for yourself.

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[CTRL] Malathion spraying exposed as experiment on NYC urban public- dangers well known by NYC gov't.

1999-11-26 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


OEM Chief Bails Out of Giuliani Bunker
By Robert Lederman

Office Of Emergency Management Director Jerome Hauer will
give up his high profile spot in Giuliani’s close circle of
doomsday bunker buddies according to the 11/25/99 NY Times.
Hauer’s jumping ship on the Manhattan Mengele to become a
counterterrorism expert for Science Applications International
Corp. The multi-billion dollar consulting firm specializes in
counterterrorism and has close ties to federal agencies Hauer is
also closely associated with.

The Times article quotes one-time Hauer colleague and Giuliani
appointee Margaret A. Hamburg, who is now assistant secretary
for planning and evaluation at the U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services. She gives Hauer and ex-boss Giuliani high
ratings for the recent Malathion Marathon in New York City.
Tweedle Dee certifying the work of Tweedle Dum.

A growing amount of evidence seems to indicate that the
perception that New York City had an encephalitis epidemic was
manufactured by Federal agencies working with the Giuliani
administration, pharmaceutical and chemical companies and a
cooperative media. They needed to justify an unprecedented
experiment involving massively spraying a chemical known to
damage human immune systems on the most geographically
concentrated multi-ethnic, multi-racial population on earth. It
was the terrorist gas attack Jerry Hauer had repeatedly predicted,
only the terrorists turned out to be our own elected officials and
civil servants. In this war, even Giuliani was only a bit player
following orders.

According to the NY Times article, Hauer’s leaving because he’s
feeling stressed out. Who wouldn’t feel stressed knowing that
evidence is coming to the surface indicating that you had acted
with reckless disregard for the health and safety of millions of
people, violated state and federal laws, deliberately mislead the
public, the media and elected officials into believing the risks of
pesticide exposure were minimal and caused long-term damage to
public health and the environment?

Contrary to Hauer’s assurances that the Malathion being used
was extremely “diluted” it was in fact extremely concentrated.
The warning label from the actual canisters used describes it as
consisting of 96% Malathion. The pilot in charge of the aerial
spraying, John Sondergroth, has confirmed that anyone who
received any spray directly got hit by 96% Malathion. The label
also warns that the product is never to be sprayed on people,
should never be used over bodies of water and that a minimum of
12 hours should pass before allowing humans to re-enter a
sprayed area all directly contradicting Hauer and Giuliani’s
assurances .

Hauer’s name is also prominently linked to another incriminating
document, The Mayor’s Chem-bio Handbook. This field manual
for rescue workers at the scene of chemical and biological attacks
describes Malathion, a toxic nerve gas, in great detail and lists
extensive precautions for protecting those involved in rescuing
Malathion exposure victims. The five by six inch canary yellow
ring-bound manual with the names Giuliani, Hauer and Safir
prominently displayed on its cover is stored inside every NYC
ambulance, firetruck and police precinct.

Giuliani found in Hauer an enthusiastic advocate for aerial
spraying of chemicals on human populations, apparently a long
cherished goal of the Mayor’s. It turns out that Giuliani pal
Corporation Counsel Michael D. Hess, is also a big fan of
Malathion. Hess has stated that his father was an exterminator
and that he himself is an expert on insecticides. According to
Hess, Malathion is completely safe, a claim even the product’s
manufacturer denies.

Although the Center for Disease Control (CDC) was deeply
involved in the decision to aerially spray Malathion repeatedly
over New York City, the agency has since released a report
documenting serious health effects on humans exposed to the
chemical and associating it with 123 injuries in Florida. A theory
is being circulated by a public health researcher which states that
exposure to Malathion and other widely used insecticides is
itself a likely cause of mosquitoes becoming infected by the
encephalitis virus [see article below]. Based on this theory
massive spraying of Malathion is a virtual guarantee of next year
being a record one for encephalitis cases, just in time for a new
vaccine that’s about to come on the market.

While falling temperatures and the Mayor’s abuse of homeless
people and art museums has pushed poison gas spraying off the
media’s radar screen for the moment, this is one story that will be
coming back with a vengeance. Lawsuits, medical reports on
Malathion victims and pending investigations continue to build
momentum.

Resistance to any further spraying and anger about the spraying
already done is developing in community boards across the City.
Simultaneously, residents of Long Island are 

[CTRL] FW: (earthclan) FW: Govt-Riot Plan EXPOSED for NY on New Years Eve or a Subversive Filmmakers debut?

1999-11-26 Thread Shane A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard

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Subject: (earthclan) FW: Govt-Riot Plan EXPOSED for NY on New Years Eve
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Importance: High




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Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 10:26
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Importance: High


(forwarded)


Something to chew on . . .
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Post your comments at: http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/d/16950


begin=

 The FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office recently had
 a webpage shutdown that had a video allegedly taken
 during a military briefing, according to a report in
 the Village Voice. The video reveals a secret Army
 plan to incite race riots at Times Square on New
 Year's Eve. The fact that the FBI and US Attorney's
 office intimidated the owner of the site and finally
 coerced his ISP with threats of shutting them down
 in order to suppress the video appears to support
 this conclusion: The video is genuine and the
 government is planning to create chaos on Y2K.
 Such an operation could establish the necessary
 pretext to activate Martial Law and end freedom,
 which is just what the suppressed video indicates.

 According to the Voice, "Both the U.S. Attorney's
 office and the FBI had no comment" on this case.

 Here's the Internet in action, the FBI may have
 removed the video from one site, but not from
 these sites, download it and make it known:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/assault.htm
http://moxy.wtower.com/mirrors/timesq.ram
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/mauicool7/timesq.ram
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/11/24/013232mode=nested

 Here's the Village Voice article:


== THE VILLAGE VOICE =
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/9947/boal.shtml
==

Published November 24 - 30, 1999

THE MONITOR
BY MARK BOAL

Subversive Filmmaker Attracts
the Wrong Kind of Agent

FBI's Shutter Speed

Success seemed imminent. A local TV station was
airing a segment about his Web site, and he began
to savor those precious moments of microfame. No
more dingy years of self-subsidized screenings;
now there'd be an audience for his art. But then
came the FBI. In a highly unusual move last week,
FBI agents called mike zieper, an independent
artist who goes by thename Mike Z., and "requested"
that he remove his site from the Internet. When
he declined, the FBI worked in tandem with the
U.S. Attorney's office to persuade his Web host
and its server to pull Zieper's site--18 days
after it went up--without having a subpoena or
court order of any kind.

Mike Z.'s Web site showed an eerie but amateur
video that purports to be a military briefing.
The clip opens with fuzzy shots of Times Square,
over which an unseen male voice describes a
secret army plan to incite a race riot on New
Year's Eve. "First Team," he says "you're all
here by oh?four hundred," and he then instructs
undercover black agents to "Give them a little
of the Amadou shit, agitate it."

The FBI was alerted to the site after receiving
phone calls from people who thought its Blair
Witch ?style footage was genuine army issue.
The opening banner on the site read, "I don't
know too much about this tape you are about to
see. I got it from my cousin Steve who's in
the army. . . . If it's fake, then there's
nothing to worry about. If it's real, then
we're in really big trouble."

The FBI's call came when Mike Z. was at a
friend's house last Thursday watching his UPN
9 interview. Suddenly, his pager hummed, and
when he called the number back, it turned out
to be the local New Jersey sheriff's department
at his front door with two FBI agents in tow,
wondering if they could come in for a chat.
Then agents Dan Calemina and Joe Metzinger
got on the phone and said, " 'We know that
you have this Web site and that it has been
getting a lot of activity,' " Z. recalls. "
'And we want to know how we can get people
to stop seeing it.' The implication was
obviously that I would face a subpoena or
an arrest if I didn't [take it down]," Z. says.

Instead, Z. contacted attorneys and put his
computer in storage. But the agents made an
end run around him. When Z. refused to pull
his site, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's
office contacted Z.'s host, BECamation, the
next day. And that was all it took. "I had
no choice but to pull the site down
completely or I would have lost my business,"
says Mark Wieger, BECamation's president,
who feared that his own ISP would cut him off.
Lisa Korologos, an assistant U.S. Attorney,
requested that Wieger "remove the content
so that it could not be distributed," Wieger
says. (Both the U.S. Attorney's office and
the FBI had no comment.)

Wieger 

Re: [CTRL] Y2K - engineered BANG or WHIMPER

1999-11-26 Thread Nicky Molloy

 -Caveat Lector-

Ahem Andrew

 I think your anxiety threshold is getting too stretched. May I suggest you
go to see Arnold Swarzeneggar in End of Days to build a bit of fear up.
LOL...Heck I think its obligatory to at least have something hair-raising to
worry about before Jan 1st or are all our Christmasses going to come at
once? (martial law, stockmarket crash, famine, electronic mind control,
holograms, reptoid invasions, concentration camps - wonder if those 200,000
guillotines delivered to Montana are going to be used too) haven't heard
anything about those lately but maybe Watcher has the latest on them.Big
site need to spend a bit of time but meanwhile -
 http://www.mt.net/~watcher/

(Pete you may like to pick this site clean of angel/human hybrid info too)

The mating of human beings with angels resulted in hybrid creatures, evil
spirits with human bodies. The human \ angel hybrids began to corrupt and
destroy the human race, resulting in the Deluge, "the end of all flesh"
except Noah and his family.

The Bible uses other names to describe these degraded fallen angels and
their descendents in addition to the word Nephilim, they are. . . .


Rephaim - from the root rapha = spirits, shades Gen. 14:5

Anakim - race of giants Num. 13:33 descendents of Nephilim

Emim - the proud deserters, terrors, race of giants Gen. 14:5

Zuzim- the evil ones, roaming things Gen. 14:5

Zamzummims - the evil plotters, Deut. 2:20

Zophim - watchers, angels who descended Num. 23, distinct from "holy
watchers" aligned with God

Sepherim - the many. . . .

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/april30.html
There is ample evidence that the government is involved with
extraterrestrials. The involvement is global and the goings on don't merely
"seem" evil, they are. Any secretive military undertaking, ( for example,
"deadly force authorized" posted at Area 51), at taxpayer expense,
especially during non-wartime, can be characterized as sinister. There are
witnesses to confirm that Ufos are spotted near military installations all
over the world, that there are military bases hidden underground all over
the US, and that some people even hear a disturbing HUM in the southwestern
US that can only be attributed to some massive underground project in the
military bases of Nevada and New Mexico. What is your gut feeling about what
the govt. is trying to hide, why the need for massive security when the Cold
War is over?

Conspiracy Links

Behold a Pale Horse - Milton William Cooper - classic conspiracy, aliens,
NWO
William Cooper Harvest Trust
Mind Control, NWO Conspiracy Resources: Cooper on Real Audio
None Dare Call It Conspiracy - Gary J. Allen Big Brother IS Watching You!
Media Filter
a-Albionic Conspiracy Links (Masonic  New World Order)
Conspiracy Theory Land
Unabomber was a Mind Control Victim
Lobster: Journal of Conspiracy etc
Conspiracy Nation
What is the New World Order
Liberty = Freedom = Sovereign
Art Bell Radio Show
Radio Liberty
Mystery Babylon, Freemason Conspiracy Links
New World Order Information for Informed Decisions
New World Order
HAARP
Gonzo Conspiracy Links
Secret History of the US
None Dare Call It Conspiracy
Conspiracy Links
More New World Order
Sharky's New World Order Conspiracy page
The Eleventh Hour - Globalism
Team Infinity
Military Secrecy
New World Army
Black Ops Conspiracies
Patriot Trading Group
The Winds Conspiracy et. Articles
Safe-Trek Outfitters of Bozeman MT
Gun Control is Inevitable
Outcome Based Education
IaHUeH's Conspiracy Pages
Alternative 3
Anomolous Images and Files
Watcher's UFO and Alien Conspiracy Links

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, 27 November 1999 16:18
Subject: [CTRL] Y2K - engineered BANG or WHIMPER


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Y2K = engineered BANG or WHIMPER

We can feel the hype - guns, UN mobilisation, implants, detention camps,
oil disasters - martial law - reptile invasions - more alleged comets to
hype it all up - Great Pyramid baloney  etc etc  so we ask -
how does our world end  with the Y2K BANG . or is there a another
explanation ?? I would like to look at the Y2K WHIMPER.

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[CTRL] Guillotines in Montana etc

1999-11-26 Thread Nicky Molloy

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The Guillotine article is right at the bottom of the page under the
heading - USELESS EATERS

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/new.html

UFOs and the Bible - End Time Delusion
Star Wars Depicts New Age Messiah - Thomas Horn

Watcher's Page o' Illuminated Space Odyssey Links

COOL!Dr. Stan Interviews Thomas Horn - Gods Who Walk Among Us

WHY Disguise the Rebel Angels as ALIENS

Aliens, Freemasons  Hitler

Aliens, Freemasons  Aleister Crowley

Crowley, Scientology  Demonic Aliens Inhabiting the Air  YOU

Updated - More "Alien" Technology leads to Y2K  Biometric IDs

Watcher Homepage - UFOs, Aliens  the Coming of Antichrist

UFOs  Nephilim of Genesis 6



Hawass, Aiwass,  Great Pyramid Dec. 1999!!
Giza Illuminati Millennium Rituals

History of Masonic Templar Connection
Masonic Illuminated stuff you MUST read: 2001 Space Odyssey, Ancient
Monuments etc.

Freemasons - From 700 Club to Art Bell - Conspiracy Thinking

Wm Cooper Points out Art Bell's Masonic Associations

3/10 Sightings - Art Bell Withdrew Interview Invitation to David Icke due to
Illuminati Material

David Icke's "The Biggest Secret; The Book That Will Change the World"

Watcher's New World Order Global Religion  Govt of the Beast Page

August 1999 Meeting of Global Elite! Bohemian Grove  NWO Conspiracy

Not so Mysterious Symbolism of Denver Airport Floors - but still...

Update: Hoagland NASA Masonic Tetrahedral Conspiracy Decoded

The Scarlet and The Beast

Masonic Symbolism in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy

William Cooper's * MAJESTYTWELVE *

666  the Seal of United States - America the Babylon?

"Useless Eaters"  Fringe Elements of Society Targets of New World Order

Heaven's Gate UFO Cult Suicide. There's a rant that mentions Guillotines in
Montana, which is particularly disturbing when combined with Phil
Schnieder's NWO, Underground Bases and Shackles in Railroad Cars and Denver
Airport Concentration Camp/New World Order, an interview with Alex
Christopher from elsewhere on the web. Uh oh!


Watcher's New World Order Conspiracy page

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