Re: [CTRL] Very real threat
-Caveat Lector- 2. Why were we attacked? Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. Bull. Try Disgust with the US's rampant colonialism and support of fascist native regimes for whom human rights are a joke, as the correct answer... We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats Actually we can, and should, fault both, as both are just two sides of the same corrupt coin... What losing really means is: We would no longer be the premier country in the world. Is there any valid reason why we SHOULD be? Who decided WE should be the police force for the whole world? Becoming the police force for the whole world, while in the meantime the US culture gets turned into a fascist state that trashes human rights and which is rapidly becoming a feudal economy is NOT the definition of the premier country in the world... The plan is clearly to terrorist attack us until we are neutered and submissive to them. On this we agree, altho we differ on the definition of just who them are; you believe the threat is from brown-skinned men in 3rd world countries who practice Islam, while I see the real threat as rich white men in western countries (USA and Europe) who seek to consolidate their power by undermining our traditional rights and freedoms -- something they could only accomplish by creating various Reichstag fires... June ;-) www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] IUFO: Where did summer go? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- It's ignorant to expect global warming to result in higher temps and/or drier weather in all locations One of the effects of global warming is that ice in the polar regions melt, resulting in the overall COOLING of the oceans' temperature; this in turn can cause COOLER and/or WETTER weather in some regions... On the other hand, no one has ever been able to answer my question as to why, back in the 70s, the ecological crisis du jour of that era was the coming Ice Age...all throughout the decade there were any number of Ivory Tower think tanks and global scientific conferences all parroting the 'fact' that the earth was cooling, which was going to result in another Ice Age which, some extremists claimed, was going to be so severe as to cause the poles to shift by the 1990s or early 2000s... Then for some reason there was a total 180-degree turnaround in the 1980s, and we started to be fed the global warming party line... June -Original Message- From: William Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 1, 2004 11:41 AM Where's global warming? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Informant News [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm in the midwest, and it's almost cold here. No one seems to be talking about the weather, so is it just me, or are we having a weird streak of weather this year? Peace! Joe www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Unatural Things In Unatural Times
-Caveat Lector- How come so many animals do it...?? Well I suppose if you want to get down to the level of a barnyard animal andact like an animal... sure go ahead, go for it.. and be like a bestialanimal... on the lowest level of existance in the natural order of things.Well now, that description can also apply to what you deem 'natural' sex...I guess you don't go in for that, either, since that too is 'bestial'...And domesticated animals are hardly 'the lowest level of existance in the natural order of things'... sure I have seen animals engage in asexualactivities.. BUT that is an bestial animal.. Well 'bestial animals' also engage in sexual activities; they also drink, eat, defecate, and breathe air; are humans supposed to stop doing the same just because 'bestial animals' also do it?if you try and tell me thatthat is all man is.. you are so full of malarky.. man is much more than ananimal.Of course man (and woman) is more than an animal -- but we are no LESS an animal, either.Personally I like animals; unlike you, I don't mind being compared to them, and actually I feel that the comparison is more insulting to the animal than to the human... ;-)Look at hindus... their concept of God puts animals on the same level asGod.. have ever seen them parade their krishna festivals.. where they paradeelephants, and phalluses.. It seems to me that Christian church steeples are pretty phallic-looking...And every December most Christians make a display of decorated evergreen trees and reindeer and every spring they parade lambs and baby chicks and bunnies and colored eggs (all being ancient, pre-Christian.symbols of fertility) there is an old saying.. YOU BECOME WHAT YOU WORSHIP..you worship an animal.. you will become like one... ITS THAT SIMPLE.And if you worship the ghost of someone executed for treason you become...???And someone wondered why I called Christianity superstition... ;-) you are not only clued out about thenatural order in Gods creation, but you need to get clued in on what thebiblical concept of the Godhead is.Well since God created all things, then ALL of creation contains 'the Godhead', even one-celled organismsabout where the sodomites went to Lots house and demanded to rape the mensent to Lot... it was a mob rule outside lots house.. plain and simple, nodifferent than a lynching party.. interesting how the sodomites never talkabout that part.But apparently it would have been acceptable in the sight of your Lord if the mob accepted Lot's offer to give them one of his daughters to rape, instead...The bottom line is that you have a perfect right to practice your superstition -- but you do NOT have the right to force it on the rest of society.June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Sodomites
-Caveat Lector- What about heterosexual sodomy? Or don't you know that straight couples practice sodomy, too? June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages
-Caveat Lector- It is also written in the bible that women are unclean and should cover their heads. Not to mention that the Old Testament condems masturbation as vehemently as homosexuality, and the same passage from the New Testament (Romans) that the homophobes like to quote alsomentions thieves and liars -- one wonders why the homophobes aren't getting their panties in a knot over masturbators, thieves, and liars as they do over homosexuals? However, these are words of men. Everything in the Bible cannot be taken literally. Hear! Hear! Even *if* the Bible originally WAS 'the infallible word of God', one can't ignore the fact that it's gone thru numerous translations by fallable men; even the writers of the King James Bible put a caveat in their forward to that Bible stating that fact. The bottom line is, the homophobic community has a perfect right to practice whatever flavor of superstition it wishes, but they do NOT have the right to impose their superstitious agenda upon the rest of society... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Unatural Things In Unatural Times
-Caveat Lector- Oh, come on, sex is not a spectator sport. And thanks for changing the thread, it was becoming boring. G*d Bless, Bill On Wednesday, Aug 13, 2003, at 16:10 US/Pacific, RevCOAL wrote: How come so many animals do it...?? First off, I am not the author of the "How come so many animals do it?" question, I was just responding to an existing thread. Second, for some people sex IS a spectator sport. But my post never said that it was (or was not) a spectator sport, only that humans are the only animals to engage in recreational sex. "Recreational" should not automatically suggest "spectator"... It seems to me that the homophobes want it both ways; first they argue that homosexuality "isn't natural", but when evidence is presented to refute that allegation, they then fall back on their superstitious beliefs and claim that the Bible 'proves' their claim, altho nary a one of them has been able to quote any relevant chapter and verse... One would think that, according to their superstition, since God created all things, then ALL animal behavior is part of God's plan. Perhaps homosexuality is God's "natural" form of birth control... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages
-Caveat Lector- For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. JR Which sin? The Bible proscribes wearing clothes of mixed fibers --- do you want to kill everyone who wears a poly-cotton teeshirt? How about anyone who masturbates, something else which the Bible calls a sin. You probably wish to stone all adulterers and adultresses to death too, eh? Do you eat cheeseburgers or pork? The OT calls that a sin, too... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
[CTRL] Does the Bible Prohibit Homosexuality? (was: Anti-Gay Hate Messages)
-Caveat Lector- Bible Review, December 1993, p. 11 DOES THE BIBLE PROHIBIT HOMOSEXUALITY?Jacob Milgrom The biblical prohibition is addressed only to Israel. It is incorrect to apply it on a universal scale. This past Yom Kippur, September 25, 1993, my synagogue invited me to explain the afternoon scriptural reading, the list of forbidden sexual liasons in Leviticus 18. I chose to focus on what is today one of the most frequently quoted passages in the entire Bible, "Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman, it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). What I said may be both good news and bad news to my Christian friends, depending on their position on gay and lesbian rights. This biblical prohibition is addressed only to the Jews. Non-Jews are affected only if they reside in the Holy Land, but not elsewhere (see the closing exhortation in Leviticus 18, verses 24-30). Thus, it is incorrect to apply this prohibition on a universal scale. But I spoke to my fellow Jews, who are required to observe this prohibition. What is the rationale for this prohibition? In a previous column, I noted that the Bible's impurity rules are part of a symbol system representing the forces of life and death. Israel is required to avoid these impurities and adhere to the laws commanded by God, who promotes the forces of life. Thus in the same chapter we read, "You shall heed my statutues and my rules, by doing them one shall live" (Leviticus 18:5). A man who discharges semen, whether intentionally or otherwise, is declared impure and must purify himself by bathing (a sort of re-baptism) before he is permitted to enter the Temple or touch sacred (sacrificial) food (Leviticus 15:16-18). Why? Because semen stands for life, and the loss of semen symbolizes the loss of life. Note also that in the entire list of forbidden sexual unions, THERE IS NO PROHIBITION AGAINST LESBIANISM. Can it be that lesbianism did not exist in ancient times or that Scripture was unaware of its existence? Lesbians existed and flourished, as attested in an old (pre-Israelite) Babylonian text and in the work of the lesbian poet Sappho (born c. 612 B.C.E., during the time of the First Temple), who came from the island of Lesbos (hence lesbianism). But there is a fundamental difference between the homosexual acts of men andwomen. IN LESBIANISM THERE IS NO SPILLING OF SEED. Thus life is not symbolically lost, and therefore lesbianism is not prohibited in the Bible. My argument ostensibly can be countered by a more comprehensive biblical injunction. The very first commandment, given to Adam and repeated to Noah, is "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth" (Genesis 1:28 and Genesis 9:1,7). The descendents of Noah--the entire human race--are duty-bound to fulfill this commandment. But the truth is that we have not only filled the earth, we have over-filled it. This does not mean, however, that the commandment should be thought of as no longer in force--especially among Jews, who have lost a third of their members in our lifetime. I recall an incident during a premarital interview from the early years of my rabbinate. The starry-eyed bride declared her noble intention to have twelve children to compensate for the tragic loss of six million killed in the Holocaust. I gasped, "Must you do it all by yourself?" I have since come to regret my flippant reply. This couple regarded their forthcoming marriage as a sacrament not just between themselves, but with the Jewish people. The problem has worsened for American Jews. Because intermarriage is rife and the Jewish birth rate is low, American Jewry, once at zero population growth, has dipped into the minus column. Were it not for a steady stream of converts, the extinction of American Jewry would be even more imminent. For us the divine command, "Be fruitful and multiply" is truly in force. To Jewish homosexuals I offer an unoriginal solution. As compensation for your loss of seed, adopt children. Although adoption was practiced in the ancient world (as attested in Babylonian law), there is no biblical procedure or institution of adoption. As a result the institution of adoption is absent from rabbinic jurisprudence. Yet there are isolated cases of a kind of pseudo-adoption in the Bible. For example, Abraham, long childless, complains to God that Eliezer of Damascus, his steward, will inherit him (Genesis 15:2). And barren Rachel beseeches her husband Jacob, "Here is my maid Bilhah--go into her that she may bear on my knees and that through her I too may have children" (Genesis 30:3). Adoption is certainly a possibility today. Lesbian couples have an additional advantage. Not only do they not violate biblical law, but through artificial insemination each can become the natural mother of her children. Thus from the Bible we can infer the following: Lesbians, presumably half of the
[CTRL] Have The Fires Gone Out In Baghdad -- or -- Are Coalition Forces Really There?
-Caveat Lector- For more than a week we've been shown images of Baghdad under a pall of smoke that, we've been told, was due to trenches of oil set afire by Saddam s forces as a protective measure... Yet for the past day and a half we've also been shown images that, we've been told, show Coalition forces on the outskirts of Baghdad (and indeed at this very moment Fox New's embedded journalist is reporting live that the unit he is with is actually IN Baghdad, altho it isn't being explained why this 'live' report is showing Baghdad in the daytime when it is now well past sunset there)... Yet in these reports from Coalition forces which are ostensibly in and/or around Baghdad, the only smoke seen is limited to individual burning trucks or tanks; the sky itself is blue, remarkably blue considering the grey haze we've been seeing in Baghdad the past week... Indeed, in the video from Iraqui TV yesterday purporting to show Saddam out and about in Baghdad greeting residents, shaking hands, kissing babies, the sky in the background is a light grey Yet at the very same time we were being shown videos purporting to be of Coalition forces fighting on the highway to Baghdad from the airport, a trip of 12 miles or less -- and all those videos showed a bright blue sky; it doesn't matter whether the Iraqui TV report showing Saddam really IS Saddam, the point is that the sky where they filmed the event was grey, and yet just a few miles away (so we were told) the sky was not only bright blue there was no general grey haze of smoke to be seen anywhere, even on the horizon (notably no shots showing greater metropolitan Baghdad in the background were shown, either)... The live report Fox is currently broadcasting of their embedded reporter who just claimed to be IN Baghdad also shows a bright blue sky without a cloud -- water vapor or smoke -- anywhere in the sky... So what happened to all those burning oil trenches? How come not one video or still photo purporting to show Coalition forces in or just outside Baghdad shows a pall of smoke from these trenches which have been burning for more than a week? Did these fires somehow become extinguished all at once? Or could it be that the Coalition forces purportedly at Baghdad really are NOT at Baghdad? June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A Question for Discerning Minds re: Iraqui populace are hostages story
-Caveat Lector- Before this war started we were assured that coalition troops would be met by the Iraqui population with candy and flowers... Instead, we've seen the coalition troops come up against stiff fighting, by both Iraqui military and paramilitary forces, and also a goodly number of the Iraqui citizenry... The spin that the administration has put on this lack of candy and flowers greeting is that the Iraqui populace is being 'forced' to fight against the coalition troops by Saddam's troops who, we are repeatedly told, hold the families of these reluctant fighters 'hostage'... Now it would seem to me that this argument only holds up so far...it could perhaps explain a small amount of incidents, but makes no sense when examined closely when it is used to explain why the MAJORITY of the TOTAL population is fighting against the coalition... Namely, just HOW MANY of your loyal, trained, and committed-to-the-point-of-fanaticism troops do you divert from the primary task of fighting the invader to instead hold the majority of the populace hostage, to force a fraction of the populace -- untrained, and ostensibly enemies of your regime -- to fight for your side? In other words, say that a city has a population of 20,000; we are told that the majority of people who live in this city are against Saddam Hussein -- let's say the anti-Saddam number is around 16,000. Now of that number, the majority are women, children, and those too elderly or infirm to fight...let s say the number of noncombantants is around 10,000. That leaves 6,000 men who are supposedly fighting against the coalition under duress -- 6000 supposed enemies of Saddam's state who have been given guns by those who we are told are their enemies... Just how many of Saddam's loyal and highly-trained troops would be needed to watch 10,000 hostages? If we say that 1 soldier is assigned to watch every 5 people, that would mean that it would take 2000 soldiers for the task; would it be worth it to trade 2000 highly-trained and loyal soldiers for the half-hearted services of 6000 untrained men who are supposedly committed to the overthrow of the current regime? Would you trust giving a gun to someone who is supposedly committed not only to your overthrow, but to your death? How many of your highly-trained and loyal troops would you have to divert from the primary task of fighting to policing these enemies-of-the-state that you have just given guns to? And this example is just one town/city -- multiply the numbers by every other town/city encountered... Can you imagine the same line of spin used during WWII? That we'd have been told that the reason Allied troops encounted stiff fighting on the beaches of Normandy was because the Nazis were holding the majority of the French population hostage, thereby forcing French men to fight for the Nazis? Why don't we hear about any Iraqui 'resistance movement'? If there are so many Iraquis who supposedly would welcome the demise of Saddam, how come we aren't hearing anything about them? How come we're not hearing about any acts of sabotage against Saddam and his troops carried out by all these Iraquis who supposedly hate him? This Iraquis are being forced to fight spin only makes sense in a limited way -- when one is perhaps describing an out-of-the-way hamlet with a populace of a few hundred or so; it makes no sense when one considers that the administration is using this story to explain why cities with populations in the tens of thousands are fighting against the coalition...it would just take too many of the trained and loyal troops to 'hold the population hostage' to make such a tactic useful June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Just How Many Irreplaceable Antiquities Are We Bombing Into Oblivion?
-Caveat Lector- A subject I haven't heard anything about -- just how many priceless and irreplaceable antiquities and/or archeological sites have we destroyed in Iraq? June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Wha's hapnin' ...
-Caveat Lector- On the same day that Mr Blair spoke of the executions, the Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon claimed that the discovery of protection suits in Iraq was categorical proof that Saddam possessed chemical weapons. He withdrew the claim within 24 hours. As of last night, CNN was still running the story as gospel truth I noticed something odd, though, which no one else seems to have caught... Namely that every single crate in which these protection suits were shown in this hospital-turned-military-HQ were addressed to Ministry of Defense -- in English. What few crates had any Arabic printing seemed to have added the Arabic as an afterthought -- IOW, the Arabic was squeezed into a corner or on the side of the English phrasing. Most crates didn't even have this Arabic-as-afterthought touchand only had English printing... Now can anyone explain just why the Iraqui military -- not to mention the Iraqui postal service -- seems to use English as their primary language? Most preposterous of all, Mr Blair and the US leaders said with certainty in advance that the liberators would be cheered in the streets. Now we are told that our war leaders always knew the cheers would be delayed and that they are not at all surprised that Iraqis are resisting their liberators. The current spin is that the southern Iraquis really DO want to not only greet us but to help us, but the fact that they are ferociously fighting us is 'proof' that they are being coerced by Iraqui troops whom they fear... June . A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 9/11 was a hoax
-Caveat Lector- The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. Not at all; the fuel helped ignite all combustibles on the impacted floors, plus a goodly number of gallons spilled down the elevator shafts, resulting in fires on other floors; it was the combination of these factors that led to the collapse of the towers... In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Eye witness reports do not support this allegation... Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel. Perhaps not, but steel did not have to melt to result in collapse; even in traditional steel cage construction, a 'normal' fire (not involving jet fuel) can result in steel girders slumping; but because traditional construction spreads the weight of the floors amongst internal supports, buildings constructed in such manner can undergo quite a bit of failure of internal girders and not collapse... But the twin towers were built in an unconventional manner -- to maximize internal office space internal supports were eliminated; each floor was suspended via light weight steel beams that were constructed much like corrugated cardboard -- a design which gives much strength without needing a lot of material... In other words, what supported each floor was not a traditional solid steel girder, but a beam of a 'corrugated steel' design; such a design under normal conditions does lend great strength while requiring little weight.. but the downside is that such beams are particularly vulnerable to bending in a fire, even 'normal' fires... These beams were suspended from braces hung on the outer walls; it was the outer walls which carried the weight of the building...again, under normal circumstances this created great strength...BUT when a great big hole was punched into one or more sides, this strength was compromised and the structure would have had trouble remaining standing straight... So at the moment of impact each tower was in grave danger...both the outer walls, where the structural support was, and a couple of floors of internal floor supports, were severely damaged; the resulting fire, burning all sorts of combustibles in addition to jet fuel (carpets, drapes, wooden tables and desks, reams of paper files, etc.) weakened the remaining floor supports to the point that they bent downwards, which caused them to fall out of their support brackets...at that point you had a pancake effect, as the floor below was unable to support the weight of ten or so stories above it, plus the weight of office equipment and furniture, etc. (plus the weight of the floor itself, which was made of concrete), not to mention the weight of a jumbo jet...needless to say, the bottom floors would not have been able to support the weight of 100-something stories crashing into them... What does stand out as particularly suspicious and still unexplained is that fires raged out of control beneath THREE of the collapsed towers for ONE HUNDRED DAYS, clearly indicating the presence of some kind of substance utilized in the demolition of the structures. No, it demonstrates the presence not only of the burning jet fuel, but of the hundreds of cars (with an unknown amount of gas in each tank) in the underground parking lot, plus the thousands of gallons of fuel oil stored on the underground level housing the HVAC plant that serviced the whole World Trade Center complex...plus the thousands of pounds of combustible materials contained in the towers (carpets, drapes, furniture, paper, etc.) that collapsed into 'the tub'... The Twin Towers did not fall because of plane impacts or fires. Most likely explosives were placed on structural supports in the towers While there are definitely questions regarding 9/11, it doesn't help matter to spread disinfo... Yes, the planes caused the towers to collapse; there is a logical, scientific explanation for why the could do so... BUT...there WERE explosions from the underground levels immediately after the first plane hit, but before the 2nd plane hit; this was reported by an eyewitness interviewed on a local NYC station (not covered on national media); there may have been at least one more underground explosion shortly after the 2nd plane hit...again, this was told on the local NYC station AS IT WAS HAPPENING, indeed it was a fire captain who told the reporter that the reporter wouldn't be allowed closer to the towers (this was about 9:15 am) because of explosions on the lower level, and that it was hindering rescue efforts because they were afraid to send firemen and policemen into the building... But it was more than an hour later (from the first underground explosion) before the buildings collapsed, and the collapse started from the top of the structures, not from the bottom; from what it sounded from the eyewitnesses, it was more like the underground explosions were timed to hinder people
[CTRL] *** NYC: BREAKING NEWS
-Caveat Lector- The Williamsburgh Bridge in NYC has been closed down in both directions due to concerns that 'something' may have been left on the bridge by 3 men described as 'middle eastern' (who ARE in custody); buildings by the bridge have been evacutated. As is currently (9:30 ET) being reported by WNYW-TV (who have cautioned that none of the following have been confirmed): The 3 men walked onto the bridge carrying a package of some kind; a work crew working on the bridge noticed them and confronted them; the 3 suspicious men were then said to have 'rappeled off of the bridge', or perhaps have climbed one of the bridge's towers; no one knows what happened to the package they were carrying, only that the 3 suspicious men did NOT have it when they tried to leave the bridge... Currently the BQE bridge about a mile away is gridlocked due to the diverted traffic from the Williamsburgh... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] *** NYC: BREAKING NEWS *** UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- It is now being reported that the 3 suspicious men were only idiots on the way home from work who decided it would be 'fun' to climb the Williamsburgh. . Maybe this incident was 'innocent', maybe not...the end result was that a significant number of law enforcement personnel and equipment were diverted from other areas -- a lesson I am sure has not been lost on any real terrorist'... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Strange Helicopters
-Caveat Lector- I grew up in Stratford, home of the Sikorsky helicopter manufacturing facilities -- new toys being played with in our local skies was (and still is) quite a common site, one reason that to this day strange lights in the sky at night are something that I don't even notice, unless something REALLY odd is occuring FWIW , where the Monday night incident occured is only about 10 or so miles as the spookcopter flies from the Sikorsky plant... I happen to live by a reservoir in a relatively sparsely populated area, actually 2 bodies of water within a mile of each other connected via a stream (and which is about 7 or so miles from the location of Monday night's incident); I've lived here close to 20 years and up until about 5 years ago never saw anything unusual in the area at night... But one night when I couldn't sleep I decided to get up and pay some bills; when I finished I still was wide awake, so I decided to hop into my car and take a drive to the nearest post office to mail them, a drive of about 5 minutes which takes me by this reservoir... It was about 2 or 3 a.m., and as I drove by the reservoir on my way to the post office I noticed a very bright red glow illuminating most of this body of water; the source of this glow was obscured behind thick, tall trees on a spit of land projecting into it...by the time I'd noticed this glow I was already past it (the view is mostly obscured by trees and brush close to the road, but there is one area where there is a break in the vegetation which allows a view of the length of the reservoir)...I figured I'd stop and check it out after mailing my bills, but when I returned (only about 5 minutes later) the glow was gone... There IS a blinking red light on top of an electric tower about a mile past the end of the reservoir, but that wasn't causing the glow I'd seen; I'd never seen that glow in all the years I'd driven past the reservoir, and I ve never seen it since...but the only thing I can figure that would have caused it would have been a low-hovering helicopter or two projecting a red light...but why a helicopter would have been hovering (hiding?) over this reservoir at that wee hour of the morning is a mystery... June ---Original Message--- Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 08:20:31 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Strange Helicopters How about some government alphabet agency out playing with a new toy? On Wednesday, Mar 26, 2003, at 15:50 US/Pacific, RevCOAL wrote: Agreed. But what bothers me is how none of our local media pursued investigating this story any further...once they'd been told by TPTB that the water had been tested and deemed safe (which knowing the long history of corporate toxic dumping in the area, is a questionable assertion at any time), they dropped the issue. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War Dolphins [was: ANOTHER BAD RUSSIAN TRANSLATION]
-Caveat Lector- The dolphins are taught to avoid touching the mines, which might cause them to explode, said Capt. Mike Tillotson, a Navy bomb disposal expert. He said there was little risk to animals doing this kind of work. Perhaps there isn't much risk (but "little risk" is not the same as "no risk") to dolphinswho only 'sniff' out mines (actually they don't smell mines, they are taught to ID them visually)... But what isn't mentioned in this report, but was shown on a local broadcast yesterday, is the fact that the Navy is also using trained sea lionsin conjunction with the dolphins...and while the dolphins don't touch the mines, the sea lions are trained to attach a line to a mine so that the mine can then be towed out of harms way... Since the sea lions DO touch the mines, one has to ask just how many of these animals die in the line of duty... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Baghdad City Lights
-Caveat Lector- In theory, with the use of 'smart bombs' it isn't necessary to be able to visually site a target; most of the bombs are being delivered via missiles which have been launched from hundreds of miles away; even those dropped from aircraft utilize computer technology to hone in on a target previously defined via satellite reconaissance...IOW, the target is programmed into the missile's software, so it doesn't matter whether lights are on in Baghdad or not, the missile would still find its target even in complete darkness... June ---Original Message--- Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 08:28:43 AM Subject: [CTRL] Baghdad City Lights This is a good question and one wonders why American experts have not addressed it. However, just as the White House was not really destroyed in the movie Independence Day, there is no way to be sure a television image or any other electronic representation is actually Baghdad. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: [CTRL] Baghdad City Lights Does anyone else wonder why the Iraqis don't turn off the lights when Baghdad is being bombed? Isn't a blackout SOP during aerial bombardment? And besides, how do the lights STAY on -- dosn't the havoc disrupt power grids? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Strange Helicopters
-Caveat Lector- The big story here in Connecticut yesterday was about 2 helicopters seen hovering low over one of the state's reservoirs (which just happens to be only a couple of miles from where our anthrax victim lived); this alarmed nearby residents so much that they called authorities, fearing that the water supply was being contaminated by unknown parties... The reservoir was shut down so that the water could be checked (turned out okay, no contamination)...but left unasked in all the news stories is just HOW anyone feels that would-be-terrorists could get their hands on even one helicopter, let alone two...none of the news coverage touched on this, neither have they seemed interested in tracking down who would have been flying these helicopters late at night nor why they would hover low over a reservoir June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Strange Helicopters
-Caveat Lector- Agreed. But what bothers me is how none of our local media pursued investigating this story any further...once they'd been told by TPTB that the water had been tested and deemed safe (which knowing the long history of corporate toxic dumping in the area, is a questionable assertion at any time), they dropped the issue. No one seems to have deemed it important to find out just WHO were flying those helicopters in that manner, or WHYor if they did find out, a decision was made not to inform the public June ---Original Message--- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 01:20:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Strange Helicopters -Caveat Lector- A terrorist won't dump biologicals or chemicals into the reservoir, it won't require too much chemical or biological material to dol damage. The terrorist would take over the pumping station and inject his chemical or biological material into the outgoing pumping. On Wednesday, Mar 26, 2003, at 09:04 US/Pacific, RevCOAL wrote: The big story here in Connecticut yesterday was about 2 helicopters seen hovering low over one of the state's reservoirs (which just happens to be only a couple of miles from where our anthrax victim lived); this alarmed nearby residents so much that they called authorities, fearing that the water supply was being contaminated by unknown parties... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] US is hard at work to fool the world again
-Caveat Lector- Paul Meares wrote: I only wonder how long it takes the world to figure out just why the twelve (?) odd missiles that were purchased from North Korea by this North African Country You really need to invest in an atlas if you believe that Iraq is anywhere in the African continent... ;-) Hollywood has had months to prepare the slides and grapics and animations that we will be shown of bunkers loaded with chemicals etc. On a related note, I found it interesting this morning that the MSNBC reporter stationed at the military info HQ in Qatar described the pressroom that's been set up by the military there as having been designed and built by a Hollywood designer... I wonder, too, with all this talk of Saddam Hussein's having many 'body doubles', if he is reported dead how can we be sure that the body is really his, and not one of his doubles? June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] BREAKING NEWS: Major Antiwar Protest Shuts Down Midtown Manhattan
-Caveat Lector- Breaking news which is happening now, even as I type... A major anti-war protest has closed down the Times Square area of midtown Manhattan; according to WNYW Channel 5 news in NYC, there are at least tens of thousands of protesters, the local reporter described the scene as looking like New Year's Eve since there are so many people taking part, and apparantly more are joining as time goes on...traffic has come to a stand-still and the reporter could only call in the report via cellphone, since the station could not get a live feed (camera, etc.) through the crowd ..so far the protest is peaceful, tho vocal... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is Iraq the opening salvo in a war to remake the world?
-Caveat Lector- But the Bush administration's hawks, especially the neoconservatives whoprovide the driving force for war, see the conflict with Iraq as much morethan that. It is a signal event, designed to create cataclysmic shock wavesthroughout the region and around the world, ushering in a new era of Americanimperial power. It is also likely to bring the United States into conflictwith several states in the Middle East. Those who think that U.S. armedforces can complete a tidy war in Iraq, without the battle spreading beyondIraq's borders, are likely to be mistaken.[snip]"It may turn out to be a war to remake the world," says Ledeen.I remember reading a very frightening article in the NYTimes early in the Reagan regime back in the early 80s...what was frightening were the statements by various Reagan administration members of the "born-again Christian" bent confirming the conclusions made by the ostensibly 'liberal' NYTimes reporter...And that was that these "born-again Christians" saw their role as "fulfilling" God's word, specifically regarding "end times" as spelled out in the book of Revelations; to that end, they felt that by HASTENING the onset of what they believed to be "Armageddon", that they indeed were inacting "God's Will"...IOW, it wasn't sufficient to just wait for Armageddon to occur, and perhaps just prepare for that eventual war at some indeterminate future date...no, these men saw their role as actually working to cause Armageddon ASAP, since they apparently sincerely believe that when it occurs then Jesus will soon return...And because they apparently sincerely believed that the "end times" were about to occur, they saw no need for such things as environmental protection, a cure for AIDS (or any other disease, for that matter), or any funding for any long-term solution to current problems -- since the world was about to end, they opined, why bother?And to fulfill their apocalyptic vision, the Reagan administration hemorraged funding for nuclear buildup, rattling nuclear sabers at Russia...Part of their nuclear vision was the infamous "Duck and Cover" plan, which they claimed would help American citizens survive an all-out nuclear war with the former Soviet Union; except for the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of citizens to rural and semi-rural areas, the rest of the "Duck and Cover" plan has been resurrected and repackaged as the current "Homeland Security" plan for citizens to supposedly protect themselves from an all-out NBC attack...So it would seem that we are currently witnessing "Chapter 2" of the "Let's Bring Armageddon On" saga that was instituted during the Reagan administration...with the enemy easily switched from the former USSR to Iraq (shades of Orwell's "1984" -- which coincidentally (or not) occured during the Reagan administration -- where a constant state of war is kept, with the 'enemy' and the 'allies' being switched every couple of years)...let us not forget that back in the 80s, both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were considered our friends, friends which we gladly financed and supplied with weapons, and in the case of Saddam, supplied in whole or in part with NBC weapons...weapons which he had no compunction in using on Kurds, etc., and which the U.S. didn't raise a peep in protest at the time...So while there may be some in the current administration who are seeking a secular U.S. empire, the driving force behind it all is a fanatical cult who believe they are following "God's Will" to bring about what they consider to be the biblical description of the 'great final battle' of Armageddon, a battle which they believe will hasten the return of Jesus Christ to earth...if we just happen to gain access to vast oil fields in the process, well that's just a sign that God really is on 'our' side and not 'theirs'...And not just in the Middle East. Three-thousand U.S. soldiers are slated toarrive in the Philippines, opening yet another new front in the war onterrorism, and North Korea is finally in the administration's sights. Only because the current U.S. regime can't avoid criticism for completely ignoring terrorism in those 2 countries; but since neither country is mentioned in Revelations, they are NOT high on the current U.S. regime's listafter all, after Jesus returns, what will North Korea's nukes matter? :-7"It's like the bully in a playground," says Ian Lustick, aUniversity of Pennsylvania professor of political science and author ofUnsettled States, Disputed Lands. "You beat up somebody, and everybody elsebehaves."But no one LIKES you, not even your allies; everyone FEARS you, and everyone works to overthrow the bully (either the bully's victims, who seek to free themselves; or any of the bully's ostensible allies, who seek to become head bully themselves)... The first step, neoconservatives say, will be for the United States to lendits support to opposition groups of Iranian exiles willing to enlist in thewar on terrorism, much as the
Re: [CTRL] Check this
-Caveat Lector- Euphorian wrote:Apparently you missed the occupation point. Engaland, Germany, Turkey,Saudi Arabia (weapons systems if nothing else), Kuwait (armed forces),Afghanistan, SoKorea, Japan, Israel, to start your list. This is not always somuch overt as it is subtle.Not to mention all the puppet-regimes the U.S. government has put in place around the world, usually by fomenting military coups to overthrow legally-elected governments...While the U.S. government may not overtly colonize other countries, it has consistently covertly tampered with the internal politics of countries in which it, and the big corporations which finance it, have a financial stake...Cuba (pre-Castro), Guatamala, Iran, Chile, are all examples... The money aspect is very deep and any country that forgoes the Americancapital expenditure is like a caffeine addict going cold turkey. More like a heroin addict going cold-turkey -- and the thing is, there HAVE been countries who HAVE gone the "cold-turkey" route, only to have the U.S. government covertly overthrow such regimes so that a regime more willing to kowtow to U.S. demands will be installed... Germany might have been a democracy had the Americans stayed out ofthe First Great War. This war -- along with the Spanish-American Warundertaken by McKinley -- was the beginning of the empire building.Actually it started earlier; consider the Mexican-American war of the 1840s, and the campaign to eradicate the Native American population... June. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
Re: [CTRL] It's Official: French = Freedom
-Caveat Lector- WASHINGTON -- Show the flag and pass the ketchup was the order of theday in House cafeterias Tuesday. Lawmakers struck a lunchtime blowagainst the French and put "freedom fries" on the menu.And for breakfast they'll now have "freedom toast."Deja vu all over again...First we have Homeland Security and the so-called "Patriot Acts" recreating the Alien and Sedition Acts of WWI, along with the corresponding trashing of citizens' civil rights...And now we see a repeat of the WWI silliness of demonstrating one's patriotism by renaming items which have perfectly good names to begin with; in WWI it was anything that was Germanic that underwent the Orwellian treatment, whereby hamburger was renamed "Liberty Sausage", sauerkraut was renamed "Liberty Cabbage", and dachshunds were renamed "Liberty Pups"...One can only surmise that the new " 'Freedom' for 'French' " trend will grow, and we will now see "Freedom Poodles" shown at dog shows, one will find "Freedom-style" green beans in the frozen food section of their neighborhood supermarket, nail technicians will perform "Freedom" manicures, and patriotic lovers will partake of "Freedom Kissing", aka "Freedom-ing" (and utilize "Freedom" ticklers, if matters progress further)...And I suppose the Statue of Liberty will have to be completely draped from view -- after all, she IS French...June. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Man Arrested for Wearing Peace T-Shirt
-Caveat Lector- Not only is this a blatant violation of free-speech rights, but if these men didn't have anything on under the T-shirts then removal of the shirts would then leave them in violation of the "Shirts and Shoes Required" rule that most malls enforce...I think a protest in response to this should be organized where a group of WOMEN go to this mall, wearing the same message on T-shirts; bras would be optional. Make sure that the local TV outlets are on hand to videotape the event. Let's see mall security demand that the women remove the shirts that they're wearing ;-)June ---Original Message--- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:21:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Man Arrested for Wearing Peace T-Shirt -Caveat Lector-http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/sns-ap-mall-activists0305mar05,0,3556482.story?coll=ny%2DlatestheadlinesMan Arrested for Wearing Peace T-ShirtBy DAMITA CHAMBERSAssociated Press WriterMarch 5, 2003, 6:15 AM ESTALBANY, N.Y. -- A man was charged with trespassing in a mall after he refused to take off a T-shirt that said "Peace on Earth" and "Give peace a chance."Mall security approached Stephen Downs, 61, and his 31-year-old son, Roger, on Monday night after they were spotted wearing the T-shirts at Crossgates Mall in a suburb of Albany, the men said.The two said they were asked to remove the shirts made at a store there, or leave the mall. They refused.The guards returned with a police officer who repeated the ultimatum. The son took his T-shirt off, but the father refused."'I said, `All right then, arrest me if you have to,'" Downs said. "So that's what they did. They put the handcuffs on and took me away."Downs pleaded innocent to the charges Monday night. The New York Civil Liberties Union said it would help with his case if asked.Police Chief James Murley said his officers were just responding to a complaint by mall security."We don't care what they have on their shirts, but they were asked to leave the property, and it's private property," Murley said.A mall spokeswoman did not return calls Tuesday seeking comment.Monday's arrest came less than three months after about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were told to leave by mall security and police. There were no arrests.Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Click Here
[CTRL] Security beefed up at public housing
-Caveat Lector- Security beefed up at public housingTerror alert leads to more police and staffBy John Tuohy[EMAIL PROTECTED]February 20, 2003Security has been stepped up at public housing complexes in Indianapolis in response to government warnings that they could be targeted by terrorists.The FBI has said terrorists have been heard planning to rent an apartment somewhere in the United States, then blow up the entire building. But when that forewarning was reiterated this month when the national terror alert level was raised to orange, local housing agency officials responded with a number of actions, including: Increasing police patrols at all public housing complexes. Shifts of housing police have been changed to match those of the Indianapolis Police Department for better coordination. Hiring tenants of each building to staff the front desks from 4 p.m. to 8 a.m. daily and screen visitors. Upgrading sprinkler systems and alarms, plus installing a new computerized switchboard at Lugar Tower Apartments.Concerns about an attack are especially acute at the two Downtown public-housing high rises, where terrorists are discussed at resident meetings.Lugar Tower, 901 Fort Wayne Ave., is yards from Central Indiana Red Cross, which coordinates statewide disaster assistance. If the 18-story apartment building were destroyed and the Red Cross building damaged, relief efforts statewide could be crippled, Housing Agency Executive Director Rufus "Bud" Myers said.Lugar Tower could be inviting to terrorists because it is named for U.S. Sen. Richard G. Lugar, R-Ind., who heads the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Myers said. Lugar Tower residents now study new faces, mark strange behavior, note odd comments."We never know when the biggie is going to hit," said Joy J. Moore, president of the tenants association.Many of the residents are disabled. Officials said 40 escape chairs that can help the disabled get down stairs have been purchased for about $38,000. Sprinkler systems have replaced fire hoses in hallways, and back-up generators have been installed in case of power failure.Smoke alarms, sprinklers and emergency pull cords that connect to the new computerized switchboard in the Lugar Tower lobby have been installed in each apartment.Total costs were not available. The housing agency also is scrutinizing visitors to all its buildings more closely, having banned 30 guests since Jan. 1 for violations of public housing rules.One result has been a 9.5 percent drop in crime, agency officials said."We keep an eye out for each other a lot more than we used to," said resident Tom Ross, 54.More than 600 people live in the housing agency's Downtown buildings, including the eight-story John J. Barton Annex and the nearby 21-story John J. Barton Apartments, 555 Massachusetts Ave.More than 5,000 people live in the city's 11 public housing complexes, Myers said. People who work in other tall buildings Downtown also have expressed concern about terrorist attacks, prompting the Indianapolis Fire Department to review and fine-tune emergency and evacuation plans in the city's tall buildings -- especially the roughly 200 structures within a mile of Monument Circle that are four stories or higher.Housing agency officials said public and private apartment managers were among those notified when the terror threat level was raised to code orange, where it's been for two weeks.The Apartment Association of Indiana distributed fliers to private apartment managers, advising residents to be watchful.For public housing residents, living with the threat of an attack is now part of their daily lives."I am very curious about strange faces now," Lugar Tower resident Moore said. If someone told her before the terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon that Lugar Tower would be a target, "I would have thought it was absurd," Moore said. "I could have never entertained such an idea.""It is hard to think that people would think of buildings full of seniors and disabled people as some kind of target," Ross said. "It saddens me. You just don't know what people are going to do anymore, and it makes me nervous," Lucille Perry, 75, said. "When I hear an airplane go by, it makes me wonder."Frank Stewart, 50, said he doesn't fret at all.Even if terrorists did attack, "how can you stop it?" he asked."They have ways of getting in." Barton Apartments resident Joyce Maul said security was still lacking there."It would be relatively
Re: [CTRL] Poodle Piddle
-Caveat Lector- So while everyone in Britain knows exactly what is meant by describingTony Blair as President Bush's poodle, Arabs are usually baffled. There isn't,in fact, a genuine Arabic word for poodle. There isn't, in fact, a genuine ENGLISH word for poodle either; the word is a corruption of the original German name for the breed, 'pudle', the same word from which we get 'puddle'...which hints at the original purpose for the breed, which was as a German water spaniel used for hunting, rather than as alapdog... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Government Asphyxiation
-Caveat Lector- The cause for most concern is the OHD plan for "What to do during achemical or biological attack":Seek shelter in an internal room, preferably one without windows.Seal the room with duct tape and plastic sheeting. Ten square feet offloor space per person will provide sufficient air to prevent carbondioxide build-up for up to five hours. This is all just the old, discredited Duck-and-Cover plan from the Reagan Administration days, revived and revamped from being a plan dealing with a nuclear event to one dealing with a biological/chemical oneit was an asinine plan then, and it is still an asinine plan... BTW, "ten square feet" equates to a space 2-feet by 5-feet per person with no space between -- quite cramped for most adults, considering that the plan also calls for one to have one's food, water, hygiene, etc. supplies with one in this 5-by-2-foot space... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Poof -A country disappears in the New World Order
-Caveat Lector- POOF! Yugoslavia APPEARED just as easily as it disappeared...along with a a whole slew of other countries in the wake of WWI... Comparing a world atlas of 1910 with a world atlas of 1920 will give ample proof of this -- showing just how many countries were artificially created by TPTB...including the country of Kuwait, which originally was aprovince of the country of Iraq (which in turn was part of the greater Ottoman Empire)... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Orwell that Ends Well]
-Caveat Lector- I am living a nightmare that has the overtones of Leni Riefenstahl's film "Triumph of the Will." I rented the movie once. It got me a few looks form the clerk at the video store. If you ever want to see a frightening film you may want to take a peek at this one. While neo Nazis may see it as a fun little film showing Nazi power. Historians use it to demonstrate how the Nazi state drew in the masses through propaganda and also how Adolf Hitler had a unique and terrifying ability to entice crowds to his beliefs by the very power of his words. It IS a frightening film, but its power goes beyond Hitler's actual words...I first saw the film on a local PBS station back around 1970 -- at the time the fact that the station was actually broadcasting the full film without interruption was quite controversial...My mother thought that we should watch it, thinking that it would be 'educational' for my sister and me, showing what Hitler was like...The film was shown with subtitles -- a good thing, since I don't understand GermanAs I was later to learn in various film-study courses, Riefenstahl was a genius when it came to imparting certain ideals solely by image; check out her "Olympiad", too...ostensibly 'just' a documentary of the 1936 games held in Berlin, there is hardly any voice-over at all and yet succeeds brilliantly in presenting the premise of Aryan superiority...and she used the same techniques in "Triumph of the Will"...But there is something more to "Triumph"...about 20 minutes into the film it concentrates on Hitler's filmed speeches in the early 1930s, shortly after he was made Fuehrer...and it contained the expected anti-jew and anti-communist harangues one expects; indeed Hitler is quite shrill and is almost a caricatureIt was at this point that I stopped reading the subtitles and just watched and listened; remember, I don't understand German, so I didn't "understand" what was being said...but I had the benefit of time and history, and even tho I didn't understand the language being spoken, I knew that it was full of hateful, racist invective, that it was full of things I hated...And yet, after a few minutes, I was hooked; I was totally mesmerized by Hitler, and another minute or two I felt awed and almost felt Hitler an idol; I was amazed at how easily these emotions were invoked, even though I didn't understand the actual words being spoken but DID know that I hated everything Hitler stood for...And at that moment I realized just how easy it IS for a politician to hook the masses, no matter how outrageous that politician's statements are; it DOES come down to image over substance, and even when one understands the language being spoken one has to realize that most of the public has an attention span of a flea; this is even more the case today, when the majority of the public only gets sound bites of a politician's speech and not the full speech...Now you have to understand that in this portion of "Triumph", Riefenstahl is only using existing newsreel footage, this is NOT footage she filmed herself...therefore she isn't responsible for the mesmerizing act; it is solely Hitler's own doing and, as I said, even though I didn't understand the actual words being spoken I still was sucked into the auraI could well understand why the German people supported Hitler and the Nazi's and could understand why they would be willing to give their lives for the Fatherland if he asked them to...and Hitler achieved that with something that went beyond the actual words he used... Fascism always starts with words, then actions and reactions. It's more than words -- it is the IMAGE that is projected, which is stronger than the actual words being used; in fact many times the IMAGE is at odds with the actual words (for example, an Orwellian image of a symbol representing 'Freedom', while the actual words encourage the curtailing of freedom), but it is the IMAGE which has the most power and which is manipulated by those spewing the words... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread
Re: [CTRL] Confidential Medical Information
-Caveat Lector- Morgan said the computer's hard drive was thought to have been wipedclean when it was shipped off for sale late last year. She has ordered aninternal investigation into the breach. Many people believe that just by highlighting a particular file and pressing the Delete key that they have indeed completely wiped the file from their computer... What really happens is that the space taken up by that file is now freed up so that it can eventually be overwritten by other data IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Confidential Medical Information
-Caveat Lector- Morgan said the computer's hard drive was thought to have been wipedclean when it was shipped off for sale late last year. She has ordered aninternal investigation into the breach. Most people believe that by highlighting a file and pressing the Delete key that they have indeed totally wiped out all the data included in that file... when in reality all that has been done is that the space taken up by that file is now freed up to be overwritten by other data -- but until it IS overwritten, the old data remains and can be retrieved by relatively easy means... One has to make sure that one has set the option to additionally immediately overwrite a file when it is deleted -- not only will the space be freed up, but the data it contains will be erased at the same time... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] IS AMERICA ABOUT TO BE PULSED?
-Caveat Lector- What the Chicken Little poster below fails to note is the time stamp on the radar loop, showing that it is a timeframe lasting approx. 90 minutes, starting at 7:45 CST and ending at 9:13 CST...each frame of the animation was captured at 10 minute intervals, hardly a DETAILED rendition of events. If the streak on the lower portion of the image is supposed to be the HAARP scalar weapon in action, then it is 'aimed' at the DFW area some 15 minutes BEFORE the shuttle arrived in the area, and remains there for over an hour after the shuttle crashed... This 'theory' also ignores the fact that at least one eyewitness reported seeing the shuttle start to break up over CALIFORNIA, and indeed last night NASA was calling for people to be on the lookout for shuttle debris not only in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, but also in California, Arizona, and New Mexico -- which suggests that NASA itself believes the disaster started BEFORE the shuttle reached the DFW area...A more worthwhile track of speculation/discussion is just WHY have the PTBs declared it a FEDERAL LAW probibiting anyone to even TOUCH any of the debris? We're not talking about proscribing TAKING the debris for souveniers or to sell on EBAY (a media story yesterday which I suspect was a plant -- as are all the 'we have many sick people reporting to area hospitals who got too close to the debis' stories -- to help vilify anyone actually touching/taking debris), we're talking that if someone finds a piece of debris in the middle of their driveway and shoves it to the side so that they can get their vehicle out of their garage, then they have broken a federal law. We can also discuss how subservient the national media is regarding this -- lots of bios about the astronauts, lots of talking heads stationed at various NASA sites wringing their collective hands and wailing 'woe is me', but nothing INVESTIGATIVE regarding the crash and what may have caused it. The media slaves have a few minor reporters 'on site', but none of them are actually out in the field filming debris, they're all in the center of some little, quaint Texas town talking about what is going to be done, but not daring to actually SHOW anything...This morning one of the news channels reported that the airspace over the suspected debris path has been declared off-limits, suggesting that there is definitely something they don't want the public to know; and the local head of the disaster recovery unit gave a press conference in which she assured that they, the locals, would do absolutely nothing until FEMA gets on the scene and takes over...The shuttle crash most likely IS 'just' an accident (never assign to 'conspiracy' that which can more easily be assigned to 'incompetence' and 'laziness')...but the REACTION to this disaster is the "heads up" for what is to come -- national agencies abrogating the power of local and state agencies, and the media complacently reporting what the national agencies tell them to report...Not that it was very much different before -- it is just so very much more blatent now...June - Original Message - From: Dr. Byron Weeks To: Paranoid Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: National Weather Service Radar Image - Short Range Composite Reflectivity - Dal Watch yellow beam--HAARP (Tesla) scalar weapon in Dallas at the time of the Columbia debacle? http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p37cr/si.kfws.shtml IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] IS AMERICA ABOUT TO BE PULSED?
-Caveat Lector- US Code Title 18 Sec. 641 (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/641.html)"Whoever embezzles, steals, purloins, or knowingly converts to his use orthe use of another, or without authority, sells,conveys or disposes of any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of theUnited States or of any department oragency thereof, or any property made or being made under contract for theUnited States or any department or agency thereof; or..."The reason being according to Space.com is that:"As NASA never relinquished ownership of the spacecraft, possession ofChallenger debris translates to theft of government property. Okay, so there's a US Code covering recovering debris of 'government property', but this is at odds with the historical 'law of the sea' (which should have set precedent, especially in the recovery of the Challenger debris which all fell in the ocean) that any 'wreck' or portion thereof becomes the property of either whomever expends the time and effort to recover it, or it becomes the property of the owner of any land it happens to wash up on...but what the hell, since the PTB no longer care about the Constitution and Bill of Rights, why should International Law cause them any concern?It seems to me that above a certain height, space should become 'international waters' -- or does the U.S. government claim ownership of ALL space that happens to lie above any U.S. land?If a U.S. battleship sank out in the open sea, would the U.S. government prosecute anyone who dived to the site of the sunken ship and recovered any items? Would they do so even though international law has historically allowed such operations, stating that those who recover the property become the new owners of such property? If 'transfer of ownership' applies to something that sinks in the open ocean, it should also apply to something in space (altho where 'space' begins would have to be defined, just as 'international waters' are defined)...It would have been interesting to see what would have occured if Columbia fell apart over Libya or Cuba or the interior of China or over some other country not particularly friendly with the U.Show would the U.S. go about prosecuting locals who gathered up debris and decided to either keep it or sell it to the highest bidder...?June . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read This WHITEHOUSE.ORG Article IMMEDIATELY!
-Caveat Lector- I've always found it interesting that most societies insist that human beings endure incurable medical conditions which cause great discomfort and/or pain, when if we had a PET with the exact same condition the accepted belief is that "the kindest thing to do" is put the animal to sleep...It doesn't make much sense that if Fifi or Rover has incurable cancer, for example, it is considered CRUEL to have the animal suffer, and yet that is exactly what we demand human beings do; if it is CRUEL to expect an animal to suffer a certain condition, why isn't it also considered cruel to demand that human beings suffer that exact same condition?It should be up to each individual to decide their own fate; I like the Netherlands' model, where a patient signs a pact with their doctor authorizingVOLUNTARY euthanasia when the patient reaches a certain point in their medical condition...But this subject is like the argument for and against abortion -- all the arguments in the world are never going to sway the opposing side, those who are 'for' (abortion or voluntary euthanasia) will always be 'for', and those who are 'against' (abortion or voluntary euthanasia) will always be 'against', no matter the number or quality of arguments presented opposing either stance... June ---Original Message--- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List Date: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:29:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Read This WHITEHOUSE.ORG Article IMMEDIATELY! -Caveat Lector-And I hope you are never in a situation where your are in incurable pain dayin and day out and are prevented from ending your life and forced to live inmisery because someone, for you own good, made it illegal for you to diewhen you wish.on 01/25/03 9:51 PM, Zuukie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- You missed the words "voluntary" followed by population control. International Planned Parenthood isn't about doing favors for women who find themselves carrying a child and then decide to change the situation. If so, this largest providing abortion operation would be in the business of providing free abortions. The idea is to keep population numbers down, particularly numbers of those who they feel are a drain on society. Here where money is available to pay for abortions, the goal is to sell the idea to gullible women in ways that are no different than telling them that certain cosmetics will enhance their lifestyle. There is no difference between parents feeding their babies to Moloch for population control and abortion on demand. Take a good look at population control measures under the UN and International Planned Parenthood in third world countries. If it was just a matter of letting women have "control over their own bodies" there wouldn't be such an attack on people who are pro-life: throwing law suit after lawsuit against in an attempt to bankrupt them, attempting to stop them in every way possible from dissuading women against abortion, creating situation where parents do not have knowledge of what is happening to their female children's bodies. If pro-lifers were given free reign, population numbers would go up, something the controllers do not wish to allow. The bottom line is that the rich in society cannot afford to support in any way "useless" eaters. "Choice" over one's death is another con game being played by the population controllers. Old people cost the government and medical insurance companies too much money. So, what's to be done? Convince the elderly that what is being done to them is a burden on their families. (Ever watch the films played in the hospitals? I have.) Get them to sign pieces of paper which say the doctors can determine if their lives have value beyond what the costs to keep them alive are. I have a friend whose husband was sent home "to die" with hospice care, saying he needed no further treatment beyond a visiting nurse. He's been alive for seven years now. Did you ever have a HMO doctor rush a relative with pneumonia out of the hospital because the HMO only would pay for three days in the hospital? He had refused over and over again to sign a "living will" to their disappointment. Thew, I hope you never find yourself in a situation where the value of your life is out of your hands because someone convinced those around you that your life had no value. There is nothing that limits a culture's respect for life to those who survive birth and who are
Re: [CTRL] US Loses Track of Bioweapon Bubonic Plaque
-Caveat Lector- Something's really fishy about this story...why would the professor 'destroy' the bacteria and then reportit as missing? If indeed all the vials were 'destroyed' (and how does one 'destroy' vials of plague?), how then could authorities 'account' for all of them? June ---Original Message--- Professor Arrested in Plague Vials CaseBy BETSY BLANEY, Associated Press WriterJanuary 16, 2003, 8:32 AM ESTLUBBOCK, Texas -- When 30 vials of a deadly bacteria that causes bubonicplague were reported missing from Texas Tech University, anxiety here waspalpable. Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge contacted the mayor, aterrorism alert was triggered and dozens of investigators from the FBI andother agencies converged.But officials said Wednesday the bacteria wasn't missing after all. Theyalleged a Texas Tech professor had destroyed the vials before reportingtheir disappearance.Dr. Thomas C. Butler was arrested Wednesday on a complaint of giving falseinformation to the FBI. According to U.S. Attorney Dick Baker, Butler saidTuesday that vials containing bacteria obtained from tissue samples fromEast Africa were missing when "truth in fact, as he well knew, he haddestroyed them prior to that."Butler was booked into the Lubbock County Jail. He was scheduled to makehis initial court appearance Thursday."We have accounted for all those missing vials and we have determined thatthere is no danger to public safety whatsoever," Lubbock FBI Lupe Gonzalezsaid. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 2002: Anomalous Stories in Review
-Caveat Lector- There're 2 more incidents/stories which were minimally covered, possibly related to 9/11... First, the FBI agent in charge of the NYC office who 'just happened' to "lose" the top secret plans for the response to a terrorist attack on NYC when he attended a meeting in a hotel in Tampa, FL a year before the attacks -- supposedly locked in his briefcase which he just happened to 'forget' at the end of the meeting, a briefcase which just as mysteriously was found a few hours later by hotel staff, and which we were told had NOT been opened (how could anyone tell?)...this agent later quit the FBI, supposedly due to criticism about the Florida incident, and 'coincidentally' took a job as head of security at the WTC, just a month before the attacks, and indeed he died in the attacks. All too pat for me The second was the story of the raid on the ISP, located in Texas I believe, that was widely reported in various email newsletters and newsgroups at the time; this raid was spurred, so authorities said, because it was believed that the ISP was both hosting sites and more specifically providing email accounts to middle-easterners of Moslem bent who have ties to terrorists or are terrorists themselves. This raid occured on Thursday, Sept. 6, 2001; in other words, this extraordinary raid on an ISP to gain access to supposed evidence of terrorist activity via its email accounts occured just 5 days before the terrorist attacks of 9/11, yet while there was much reporting on this from the evening of 9/6 thru 9/10, this story immediately disappeared after the attacks on 9/11. The timing of this raid seems more than coincidence, and one suspects that it indicates that something WAS known about the impending attacks, and that is what prompted the raid on the Thursday prior to the attacks... June IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Santa Claus (was: The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas)
-Caveat Lector- 3) Santa Claus only sounds like Satan's claws in English. Santa Claushowever does sound like "St. nickolas" if you say it fast and run ittogether."Santa" only sounds like "Satan" to audio-dyslexics; the brain-dead fundies who persist in equating "Santa" with "Satan" forget that the term "Santa" is Latin for "saint", and if the term "Santa" equates to "Satan", then there is a whole plethora of cities in the southwestern US (including California) that must be causing them to have apopletic fits...Okay, here's the real scoop on the modern mythical icon known as "Santa Claus"...There was a Roman Catholic bishop from Asia Minor born in the 4th century BC, named "Nicholas", who was renowned for his good deeds towards the poor; some time after his death the church made him a saint, hence "Saint Nicholas".This saint's birthday was December 6th, so that became the designated "Saints Day" for that particular saint; check out the history of the Catholic Church, and you will see that almost every day of the year has a designated saint conveniently assigned to it. Many times these saints had (or were assigned) traits corresponding to an earlier pagan god whose holiday corresponded with that saint's "day", sometimes many prior pagan customs were accumulated into one "saint's day"... (And contrary to the braindead fundie/thumpers, paganism does NOT equate to satanism...) In countries where Christianity replaced previous pagan religions, St. Nicholas' day -- December 6th -- was usually celebrated as the beginning of the Christmas season; the actual St. Nicholas never actually did anything to associate himself with Christmas, it was only the fact that his birthday was at the beginning of December that he became associated with the holiday.After the Reformation most Protestant countries disassociated themselves from Catholic saints, but the beloved figure who delived gifts to good children was transformed into "Father Christmas"; but whether Catholic saint or Protestant icon, St. Nicholas/Father Christmas bore little resemblence to the roly poly elf in red velvet and white fur we currently associate with the name "Santa Claus"...Take a look at European designations, and indeed American representations up until the early 20th century, and St. Nicholas/Father Christmas/Santa Claus was rarely shown wearing red; rather he either is shown as a stern bishop or a stern paganistic woodsman, or in the late Victorian era as a well-fed benevolent businessman -- again, rarely in red, often rather in white, green, blue, brown...So what was responsible for the transformation to our modern icon?We need to go back to that bishop/saint known as Nicholas; when Spain conquered the Netherlands St. Nicholas, being amongst other things the patron saint of sailors, was adopted by the Dutch to be the patron saint of their country. And so they adopted the saint's day with gusto; according to Dutch tradition, St. Nicholas arrives in Holland from Spain (no North Pole legend here) on the night of December 5th; St. Nicholas is always shown as a Catholic bishop in full regalia, never in a red velvet suit. St. Nicholas rides about the Dutch countryside that night on a white horse dispensing treats (usually candy and small toys) to good children while his servant (who was originally designated his 'slave) "Black Pete" dispenses coal and twigs to those who have been naughty...The Dutch never confused the celebrating of St. Nicholas' day with Christmas, other than to use it as the opening of the Christmas season; to this day the Dutch have a month-long season, starting with St. Nicholas' day on Dec. 6th, which is usually seen as a "children's holiday"; Christmas Day itself is celebrated more along the lines of the American Thanksgiving, it is a day to go to church and to have a big meal with family, but rarely are gifts exchanged, but if they are it is done on Christmas Eve, not Christmas Day, and the gifts are usually small; New Year's Day is a day to visit family and friends, and small gifts may be exchanged; finally the season is wrapped up on Epiphany/3Kings Day on January 6th...since this is supposedly the day the Magi arrived at the stable and presented gifts to the baby Jesus, this is considered a gift-giving day, and the Dutch celebrate it much like we celebrate December 25th...Okay, we're working our way up to the transformation of St. Nicholas into Santa Claus...Remember who bought Manhattan from the Indians for $24 worth of beads? Yes, it was the
[CTRL] Large Attachments
-Caveat Lector- Don't send them at all! It's better to just post the link to the file and/or pic... June ---Original Message--- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List Date: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:27:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sons Of Mau Mau Declare War On Freemasonry Zuukie, If your going to send large attachments PLEASE send them out in the middle of the night. They bogged down people incoming mail. magnetic_field IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] US Won't Say Which Pharmaceutical GM Crop Escaped
-Caveat Lector- Personally I'd much rather make an informed choice to digest an experimental vaccine in unknown dosage (a vaccine which is really meant to be injected in measured doses), a vaccinethat messes with one's immune system and therefore will have unknown consequences, than to have it foisted upon me accidentally... And perhaps you'd enjoy eating industrial adhesive, but I'll pass... June ---Original Message--- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List Date: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:59:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] US Won't Say Which Pharmaceutical GM Crop Escaped -Caveat Lector-HorribleThe cure for aids may be accidentally working it's way into the food chain Research into the company involved, Prodigene, reveals that the contamination could be one of the following : * AIDS vaccine gp120 -- a glycoprotein * Blood-clotting agent -- Aprotinin * Trypsin - Digestive enzyme that can be used in leather tanning or to produce insulin. * Industrial adhesive Laccase -- an enzyme derived from a fungus IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Castro Weaponizes West Nile Virus
-Caveat Lector- If Cuba was indeed responsible for the current outbreak of West Nile Virus in the U.S., one would expect the first cases to have occured in south Florida, or perhaps another Gulf state, instead of in the NYC metro area... If either Iraq or Cuba is responsible for the current WNV outbreak, then that suggests that we have little to worry about if the worst either country can muster against us is a disease that primarily kills birds, and has been only responsible for the deaths of humans who were elderly and/or infirm; in other words, it's a very inefficient weapon, as it only gives flu-like symptoms to healthy adults who readily recover... For at least a decade before the WNV outbreak therehas beena growing epidemic of Eastern Equine Encephelitis in eastern Long Island and Connecticut, southeastern Massachusetts, and all of Rhode Island; it not only affects the equine population, but increasingly has been infecting previously healthy adults in their prime, and indeed has caused a few deaths... And then comes WNV, another form of encephalitis, mysteriously arising in NYC, western CT, and northern NJ... I would suggest that Plum Island is a better choice for the origination of both encephalitis diseases, rather than either Iraq or Cuba... June ;-) __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: U.S. Weighs Flight Restrictions Near Sept. 11 Crash Sites
-Caveat Lector- The plan, which was drawn up by the nation's top securityagencies, calls for barring foreign aircraft, privateplanes and charter aircraft from a 34-mile radius of thecrash sites for specific periods on Sept. 11 and Sept. 12. Considering that none of the aircraft involved in last September's "event" were foreign, private, or charter aircraft, these proposed restrictions for this coming 9/11 are odd, to say the least... June __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Nevada Sub-Critical Nuclear Test
-Caveat Lector- ---Original Message---From: OBRL-News Orgone Biophysical Research Lab http://www.orgonelab.orgForwarded News ItemPlease copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups* ORANUR ALERT ***Sub-Critical Nuclear Expeirment to Occur on Thursday, 29 August 2002.Past sub-critical nuclear tests appear to have been followed, within aweek, by highly expansive high-pressure heat-wave conditions in the Westernstates at least. The two prior sub-critical tests undertaken in 2002, inmid-February and mid-June, were followed by a general drying-up of snowsand rains across the West, with anomalously high temperatures. Thefollowing press release comes from the Nevada Test Site public relationsoffice.Recipients of this email are asked to watch for unusual atmospheric orbiological events on or soon after this Thursday, and kindly report themback to OBRL for documentation.++National Nuclear Security Administration Scientists to Conduct MarioSubcritical ExperimentScientific Data to Help Certify and Ensure the Safety and Reliability Ofthe Nation's StockpileThe National Nuclear Security Administration Nevada Operations Office willconduct a subcritical experiment called Mario at the Nevada Test Site onThursday, August 29, 2002. Subcritical experiments examine the behavior ofplutonium as it is strongly shocked by forces produced by chemical highexplosives. Subcritical experiments produce essential scientific data andtechnical information used to help maintain the safety and reliability ofthe nuclear weapons stockpile. The experiments are subcritical; that is, nocritical mass is formed and no self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction canoccur, thus there is no nuclear explosion. Mario, a Los Alamos NationalLaboratory (LANL) subcritical experiment, is designed to answer questionsabout ejecta and spall associated with plutonium. Ejecta is a forcefulspray of particles propelled from a material's surface when it iscompressed by a powerful shock wave. Spall is the breakup of material fromthe explosive shock wave reflected back from the surface. Subcriticalexperiments are conducted at the Nevada Test Site's U1a Complex located 85miles northwest of Las Vegas. The U1a Complex is designed to contain theseexperiments in a safe and secure environment in an underground laboratoryof horizontal tunnels with small excavated experiment alcoves mined at thebase of a vertical shaft, approximately 960 feet beneath the surface. LosAlamos scientists conducted their last subcritical experiment, Vito, onFebruary 14, 2002. The last subcritical experiment was Oboe 9 conducted onJune 7, 2002.Nevada Operations Office News**OBRL News is a product of the non-profitOrgone Biophysical Research LabGreensprings Research and Educational CenterPO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon 97520 USAhttp://www.orgonelab.orgBuilding upon the discoveriesof the internationally acclaimed natural scientist,Dr. Wilhelm Reich __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A genius of film
-Caveat Lector- From: thewI don't know. Being Hitler's lover, a fact omitted from this article,certainly says something. I'm not sure what, but something.Riefenstahl was never Hitler's lover; you seem to be confusing her with Eva Braun, or accepting the WWII-era Allied slander/propaganda regarding Riefenstahl as fact June __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: A REAL Jet Contrail (not chemtrail) Problem
-Caveat Lector- ---Original Message--- Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.orgonelab.orgForwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** A REAL Jet Contrail (not "chemtrail") Problem See here: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/08/07/contrails.climate/index.html 9/11 study: Air traffic affects climate August 7, 2002 Posted: 5:00 PM EDT (2100 GMT) By Richard Stenger (CNN) -- The thin wisps of condensation that trail jet airliners have asignificant influence on the climate, according to scientists who studiedU.S. skies during a rare interruption in national air traffic after theSeptember 11 terrorist attacks. During the three-day commercial flight hiatus, when the artificial cloudsknown as contrails all but disappeared, the variations in high and lowtemperatures increased by 1.1 degrees Celsius (2 degrees Fahrenheit) eachday, said meteorological researchers. While the temperature range is significant, whether the jet clouds have anet effect on global warming remains unknown. "I think what we've shown are that contrails are capable of affectingtemperatures," said lead scientist David Travis of the University ofWisconsin, Whitewater. "Which direction, in terms of net heating orcooling, is still up in the air." Contrails Explainer:* Long white wisps of artificial clouds high in the atmosphere, contrailsare the condensation trails left behind by jet airplanes.* Similar to human exhalation making a fog in chilly weather, contrailsform when warm humid engine exhaust meets extremely cool air in theatmosphere.* Air temperatures where contrails form are generally lower than minus 40degrees Fahrenheit (minus 40 degrees Celsius).* Like natural cirrus clouds, contrails insulate the planet, blocking outincoming solar energy from above and keeping in heat down below.* Scientists estimate that contrails cover some 0.1 percent of the Earth'soverall surface, with regional concentrations as high as 20 percent. In many ways, contrails behave in the same manner as cirrus clouds, thinhigh-altitude floaters that block out solar energy from above and trap inheat below. As a result, they help reduce the daily range in daytime highs andnighttime lows. Contrails, by providing additional insulation, furtherreduce the variability. With air traffic growing and contrails becoming more prevalent, the naturalvariation will further decline and could disrupt regional ecosystems, somescientists speculate. Certain trees, crops and insect species depend on specific dailytemperature variations for their survival. In some ways, contrails differ from their natural brethren. Cirrus cloudslet less heat out than in overall, producing a net increase in the Earth'stemperatures, according to climate scientists. With contrail clouds, theysaid they are not so sure. "Contrails are denser and block sunlight much more than natural cirrusclouds," said Travis, who with colleagues reported the findings this weekin the journal Nature. "And contrails are much more prevalent when the sun is out," he said. "Whenthis is factored in, there is a possibility that they offset globalwarming, and this is what we are trying to determine now." The researchers plan more studies to tackle that question, but they saidthey expect to rely on circumstantial evidence only. "We can only hope that the September 11 tragedy never happens again,"Travis said. ** OBRL News is a product of the non-profitOrgone Biophysical Research LabGreensprings Research and Educational CenterPO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon 97520 USAhttp://www.orgonelab.org Building upon the discoveriesof the internationally acclaimed natural scientist,Dr. Wilhelm Reich __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
[CTRL] Fw: Western Drought and Fires: Bioenergetic Factors
-Caveat Lector- ---Original Message--- Subject: OBRL - Western Drought and Fires: Bioenergetic Factors Orgone Biophysical Research Lab http://www.orgonelab.orgForwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** Western Drought and Fires: Bioenergetic Factors Some persons have asked me what might be the background factors underlyingthe current drought which has affected the Western states, and other partsof the USA, and also the large wildfires. As one of the senior members ofthe USA Core Network, with over 30 years of research experience in orgonebiophysics, and 25 years of field work with the Reich cloudbuster, thesequestions have been foremost in my mind, and for our work and activitieshere at the Greensprings Center. The science of climatology and meteorology has been adept at makingaccurate measurements of weather patterns, but has failed in understandingtheir deeper causes. It is exactly here where the science of orgonomy, andthe discoveries of Reich, allow some new observations and reasonablespeculations as to causation. And from this newer understanding ofcausation come new approaches for change. 1. Some familiarity with my book "Saharasia" is necessary, at minimum thechapter on "The Saharasian Desert Belt" which gives a classical descriptionof the world's largest continuous dry region, given the name Saharasia bymyself. The Saharasian atmopshere also plays a fundamental role in Earth'sclimate and weather, as documented in my "Desert-Drought Map", published inour journal, Pulse of the Planet #2, p.82. Further discussion on the roleof Saharasian dor and dor-haze in blocking precipitation within Saharasia,and as exported to other world regions to cause drought globally, as wellas its relationship to the El Nino phenomenon, is discussed in my articleon "Green Sea Eritrea: Cloudbusting Project" as recently printed in Pulseof the Planet #5. With this background information, which has also beenpresented to several international scholarly conferences on global weatherand climate, it is known that the West Coast of the USA has for many yearsbeen under the influence of Saharasian dorish air masses, which arrive onthe West Coast via two pathways: Saharasian dor firstly has alow-altitude discharge pathway out the Red Sea and Persian Gulf, movingeastward across the Indian and Pacific Oceans, to arrive along the WestCoast of North America to form a dry "marine layer" (eg., typical "dryfog") which builds the dry coastal zone of California and Baha. A secondpathway for Saharasian dor is high-altitude, originating within the centraldeserts of China where large dust storms scour the landscape and dischargedor-haze, and dust, into high altitudes where it is carried across theNorthern Pacific by prevailing westerly winds. This material descends tolower altitudes in the mid-Pacific, becomes relatively enriched withhumidity, and arrives in the Pacific Northwest as a stagnant stratus layerwhich washes along the coastal regions sometimes yielding good rains (whendor is sequestered into rains) or stagnant drizzles, or if sufficient inquantity, drought. There also is a pathway from West Africa across theAtlantic to Florida and the Gulf of Mexico region, which can affect Texasand the full SE region (as well as parts of South America). When Saharasiais in a state of expansion, as during the present time, more dor-haze anddor-dusts are discharged at its borders, and is then distributed globally,eventually to arrive in the Western USA where it arrives in greaterquantities than is otherwise observed. This is a major factor underlyingUSA droughts. We therefore observe how events in Africa and Central Asiaaffect our weather in a rather direct manner, though with a delay ofseveral weeks or months from the time of the major dor-haze discharges totheir arrival across the oceans.http://www.orgonelab.org/saharasia.htmhttp://www.orgonelab.org/xpulse.htmhttp://www.orgonelab.org/Pulse5.htm 2. It has recently been observed that USA weather patterns are put into astate of high energetic expansion following subcritical nuclear testing atthe Nevada Test Site. Two such tests have occurred in the USA this year,one on February 14 -- which put an end to exceptionally good wintertimesnowfalls across the West -- and another on June 7th, which basically driedup the Western states, and initiated the current period of dry lightningstorms and wildfires. Previously, we had known that underground nucleartesting was correlated with outbreaks of severe heat waves, high pressureconditions, droughts and massive dry wind storms in the Western States, anddocumentation on similar heat wave and drought effects following nulceartesting in India and Pakistan has also been documented. Our Pulse of thePlanet journal has carried various articles on this subject over the years,including Kato's work on variations in the Earth Chandler wobble
Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam
-Caveat Lector- From: Mermaid I was here when Saba was on the list But I get the strong feeling after C's last onslaught on me that anything i say will be used to furtherhumiliate me If your skin is so thin that you consider C's response 'rude', an 'onslaught', and an attempt to 'humiliate' you, then get off of the Internet, especially this list.C's response was not anyof those, and your own words adequately 'humiliate' you, nothing anyone says in response to them...and I get the strong impression that any woman amongst all this male testosterone is apt to feel a little overpowered at times...Speak for yourself; personally I feel that there isn't so much actual testosterone displayed on this list than the posturing facade of such...I have absolutely no problem dealing with either display. If you're unable to hold your own on your own merit, again this list isn't for you...no one's going to be putting on kid gloves just to spare your feelings...I guess it is because all the people on my list Robots Rebellion 2 are all so courteous..I guess it's a question of what one deems 'courteous', and I assume you impose your own definition on your own list; I found absolutely nothing in C's original response to you to be DIScourteous, in the usual, Webster-dictionary accepted definition of the word. If you define 'courtesy' to mean that everyone should agree with you, again this is not the list for you to post to. Neither is it the list for you if you expect no one to debate you.June __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- From: c. so why the hell was he hanging around with whores if he told us not to associate with "sinners"? are you calling Jesus a hypocrite? she "washed his feet"... if you know whati mean *snigger* Two points: 1. there is a growing body of research to show that Mary Magdalene was never a whore/prostitute, but was branded as such a century or so after her death by the growing Roman-centered church (which eventually became THE centralized Christian power), which was intent on suppressing the role of women in the church; while some argue that the Magdalene was actually Jesus' wife and bore him at least one child, conservative contemporary evidence suggests that her role was more that of being another apostle, on at least an equal footing with the male apostles and perhaps enjoying a favored status (not necessarily sexual)...in other words, she only became a 'sinner' long after her death, and only because the Roman church branded her as such... 2. Jesus was constantly criticized by His contemporary 'powers that be' for associating with 'sinners'; Jesus' response was basically to ask "who most needs to be saved, those who are already righteous, or those who are sinners?"... what is a sin to you may be not a sin to someone else. True, but in this case what is being discussed is what has been defined as a sin by the Christian doctrine. But what I find interesting is that homophobes who utilize one flavor of superstition to justify their prejudice and paranoia don't invest the same amount of emotional energy into any of the other types of sins delineated in the Bible. In fact they usually conveniently ignore other Levitical prohibitions by eating pork or cheeseburgers, by wearing clothes of mixed fibers, nor do they go into seclusion and take ritual baths after each emission of semen or after each menstrual cycle; neither are their privies built outside the city walls... The thieves who have ripped off billions of dollars, ruining the lives of thousands of people, ala Enron et al, have done a much greater harm to a much greater number of people than any two people of the same sex who happen to love each other have ever done; yet we don't have these 'defenders of public morality' decrying this blatant sin of thievery in the way that they constantly obsess about homosexuality... as long as people don't fuck with your life or your way of thinking- then they are not sinning and you should leave them alone to get on with it. Well, the thing is that these obsessives DO claim that homosexuals ARE sinning, according to the obsessives' brand of superstition... And that's fine; the obsessives have a right to believe in whatever superstition they choose; what they do NOT have the right to do is IMPOSE their superstition on the rest of society as a matter of official policy. June __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Way OT
-Caveat Lector- From: William Shannon But sometimes I miss saba.She ought to be reinstated...she has alot to offer Puh-leeze! :-( The only thing 'she' ever had to offer is unsubtantiated inanities... I'm still waiting for proof of 'her' so-called "Bible Code" via a prediction BEFORE the fact... and she does so in a very entertaining style. Whatever 'entertainment' 'she' provides is extremely thin and short-lived... She is an invaluable resource PUH-LEEZE! "Resource" of what? Study material for a case of rampant insanity? and we were lucky to have her on this list. We were never lucky to have 'her' on the list. We are lucky 'she' is gone... June ought to be reinstated too to provide balance. I can't speak for the list-status of Colleen/Saba, but I was never banned, so I don't need to be reinstated. I've just been really busy of late, and haven't felt the need to respond to recent postings to the list... June __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 9-11-02
-Caveat Lector- In the memory of all those who died as a result of the attacks of 9/11, make a friggin' donation to a charity benefitting the victims... Do no, repeat, DO NOT, spam bullshit like this (an action which results in the perp justifiably being kicked off of most lists) in the name of 'in the memory of those who died'... June (who will DEFINITELY be 'breaking the chain') __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Midsummer's Day Fires?
-Caveat Lector- The festival is primarily a Celtic fire festival, representing the middle ofsummer, and the shortening of the days on their gradual march to winter.Midsummer is traditionally celebrated on either the 23rd or 24th of June, Wrong. The festival that is being described actually occurs on the night of July 31/August 1, which indeed is MID summer, as it occurs 6 weeks after summer commences... Fires are lit on hilltops, using the 'tares' of the first harvests as fuel; it is a thanksgiving festival, giving thanks to the Mother Goddess for the commencement of a fruitful harvest. The festival held in June is the celebration of the summer solstice, and the original pagans never referred to it as anything but that, and wouldn't have set any fires in celebrating it. The incorrect appelation of "Midsummer" for the June festival is a recent development of the last century or so, and indeed is an INCORRECT title for it, as it can in no way be considered to be MID summer when summer is just commencingwhat has happened is that two distinct pagan holidays have been combined into one. It's as if Easter were celebrated by decorating hard-boiled eggs in red-white-and-blue, and having cartoon bunnies dress as Uncle Sam, and the day started to be called Memorial Day instead, the original Memorial Day all but forgotteneven that isn't a correct analogy, because at least a vestige of secular Easter remains via decorating eggs and funny bunnies. What we have with the current habit of referring to the Summer Solstice festival as "Midsummer" is that the original solstice celebrations have almost all disappeared, replaced by the July 31/August 1 customs. For witches the summer solstice forms one of the lessersabbats, their main festivals being Beltane (1st May) and Samhain. Wrong again. There are 8 'festivals' that are considered main festivals by wicca and pagans, the 2 solstices, the 2 equinoxes, and Feb. 1, May 1, Aug. 1, and Nov. 1 (and the eves preceding these days); the minor festivals are the nights of the full and the new moons. June __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] IODIZED SALT NOT SUFFICENT IN NUCLEAR INCIDENT
-Caveat Lector- From: Mike Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]Some persons have mailed me saying that IODIZED SALT would properlyfill up the THYROID with IODINE and prevent the collection of RADIOACTIVEIODINE 131. Evidently this is not the case.It is definitely not the case. One would succumb to sodium poisoning if one tried to get enough iodine via table salt to be effective against radioactive iodine iosotopesFor some reason IODINE has been added to table salt for the last 50 yearsprobably relating to nuclear testing in the western states. [sigh]It would be nice if people would do a modicum of research before posting bullshit like this...If one does not get enough iodine in one's diet the thyroid gland can become underactive, and one develops a goiter, an enlarged thyroid gland, which results from the remaining active portion of the thyroid gland -- a butterfly-shaped gland in the front of the neck -- trying to take up the slack of the inactive portion of the gland...Most people get enough iodine via diet (sans iodized salt), *IF* they live in coastal areas; even if they don't eat fish, there is enough iodine in the sea that it is both vaporized in the air and is in the ground, so people both breath in trace amounts of iodine and gain iodine via eating crops grown in coastal areas...The term 'coastal area' doesn't mean the area just immediate adjacent to saltwater, but for some hundreds of miles inland...But people who lived in the middle of the continent, far away from any body of saltwater, tended to suffer from goiterism before the introduction of iodized salt. If people living in the midwest and mountain states somehow were able to eat sea fish (say, canned sardines, canned tuna, canned shrimp, etc.), then they would have sufficient iodine in their diet to avoid goiterism...But the common diet of American midwesterners and mountain-state residents of the early 20th century rarely included sufficient amounts of sea fish, even of the canned variety. So it was decided that an easy way to avoid having children in those geographic areas developing goiterism was to introduce iodine into table salt. Iodine was introduced into table salt in the late 30s and early 40s, long before nuclear bombs and radioactivity entered the picture.And let me strongly reiterate -- one would die of sodium poisoning if one tried to get enough iodine to protect the thyroid gland via table salt alone...But it doesntappear that table salt with IODINE would be sufficient to insulate theTHRYOID GLAND from RADIOACTIVE IODINE 131.See my comment above; one would die of sodium poisoning if one tried to get enough iodine via table salt for this purpose... June __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] HOPE (was: a tirade against Moslem women covering their faces for drivers licenses)
-Caveat Lector- From: Mike and Diana THIS DOES SAY IT ALL!!! After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered, I believe this is even more appropriate. Read on, please! This is an Editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa Newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT I find it interesting that the same crowd that constantly decries the increasing use of state (distinguished from 'State') -issued drivers licenses as a national ID card is raising such a hue and cry regarding this Moslem woman's ability to be able to have her face covered for her own drivers license photo... Why should we demand that immigrants adapt to something that we ourselves do not wish to follow? This case should rather be used as the rallying point around which to organize a campaign against the use of drivers licenses as general ID cards; we should all start showing up at our license renewal offices wearing paper bags over our heads and saying that as members of the Holy Order of Paper Effigies (aka HOPE), it is against our religion to have our fleshy visages placed on a plastic card, but that it would be acceptable for our paper image (drawn on the paper bag) to be used... Of course if only a few people do this, they will be laughed at; but if you get a whole bunch of people doing it at the same time, especially in several states, well by cracky TPB will realise that it's a movement afoot... Listen to the full version of Arlo Guthrie's "Alice's Restaurant", especially the latter portion, to get the idea... ;-) June(who, already being a 'Reverend', volunteers to head the Holy Order of Paper Effigies) __Created and best viewed with IncrediMail!Get your free copy at: www.incredimail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Real Secret
-Caveat Lector- From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] WHY NOW? Because the media is does not like the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do with the timing. The media does not like the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church does not go along with birth control. Bashing the Catholic Church was fun for the media until they found out that some of the child molesters were homosexuals. Homosexuality, like birth control is one of the medias sacred cows. Pedophilia has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality; an adult male sexually molesting a young boy no more represents the majority of adult homosexuals as an adult male sexually molesting a young girl represents the majority of adult heterosexuals. Some of the priests have been accused of sexually molesting young girls; are you going to say that these priests are Heterosexual, and therefore extrapolate that all adult male heterosexuals are by association child molesters? June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why not be Anti, Semites?
-Caveat Lector- From: inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] the romans had no problem with jesus; in fact, they really liked the guy - he told everybody to pay taxes and be good citizens. it was the jewish leaders that requested he be crucified as he was, by definition, a heretic; and the punishment for heresy was death. While heresy may have been punishable by death, the 'jewish leaders' by law could NOT crucify someone; their death penalty was carried out by stoning... Crucifixion was a punishment reserved by the Romans for those condemned of high crimes against the Roman state, usually treason; they definitely would NOT have crucified someone just because some local religious leaders asked them to kill someone they deemed heretical... BTW, evidence points to the fact that the passages of the Bible alleging to have Jesus stating that people should pay taxes, etc., were added much later by the burgeoning Roman Catholic church, and are NOT included in the very earliest versions of the gospels... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: OBRL - Heterosexual Sex-Repression, Homosexuality and Pedophilia in Afghanistan
-Caveat Lector- Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.orgonelab.org Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** A verification of Wilhelm Reich's discussions on sexuality, and confirmation also for James DeMeo's discussions in Saharasia From: Acharya S Again, we've been saying this for many moons... What a world. L.A. Times April 3 2002 Kandahar's Lightly Veiled Homosexual Habits Restrictions on relations with women lead to greater prevalence of liaisons between men, a professor says. By MAURA REYNOLDS TIMES STAFF WRITER KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- In his 29 years, Mohammed Daud has seen the faces of perhaps 200 women. A few dozen were family members. The rest were glimpses stolen when he should not have been looking and the women were caught without their face-shrouding burkas. How can you fall in love with a girl if you can't see her face? he asks. Daud is unmarried and has sex only with men and boys. But he does not consider himself homosexual, at least not in the Western sense. I like boys, but I like girls better, he says. It's just that we can't see the women to see if they are beautiful. But we can see the boys, and so we can tell which of them is beautiful. Daud, a motorbike repairman who asked that only his two first names and not his family name be used, has a youthful face, a jaunty black mustache and a post-Taliban cleanshaven chin. As he talks, his knee bounces up and down, an involuntary sign of his embarrassment. These are hard questions you are asking, he says. We don't usually talk about such things. Though rarely acknowledged, the prevalence of sex between Afghan men is an open secret, one most observant visitors quickly surmise. Ironically, it is especially true here in Kandahar, which was the heartland of the puritanical Taliban movement. It might seem odd to a Westerner that such a sexually repressive society is marked by heightened homosexual activity. But Justin Richardson, a professor of psychiatry at Columbia University, says such thinking is backward--it is precisely the extreme restrictions on sexual relations with women that lead to greater prevalence of the behavior. In some Muslim societies where the prohibition against premarital heterosexual intercourse is extremely high--higher than that against sex between men--you will find men having sex with other males not because they find them most attractive of all but because they find them most attractive of the limited options available to them, Richardson says. In other words, sex between men can be seen as the flip side of the segregation of women. And perhaps because the ethnic Pushtuns who dominate Kandahar are the most religiously conservative of Afghanistan's major ethnic groups, they have, by most accounts, a higher incidence of homosexual relations. Visitors might think they see the signs. For one thing, Afghan men tend to be more intimate with other men in public than is common in the West. They will kiss, hold hands and drape their arms around each other while drinking tea or talking. Moreover, there is a strong streak of dandyism among Pushtun males. Many line their eyes with kohl, stain their fingernails with henna or walk about town in clumsy, high-heeled sandals. The love by men for younger, beautiful males, who are called halekon, is even enshrined in Pushtun literature. A popular poem by Syed Abdul Khaliq Agha, who died last year, notes Kandahar's special reputation. Kandahar has beautiful halekon, the poem goes. They have black eyes and white cheeks. But a visitor who comments on such things is likely to be told they are not signs of homosexuality. Hugging doesn't mean sex, locals insist. Men who use kohl and henna are simply uneducated. Regardless, when asked directly, few deny that a significant percentage of men in this region have sex with men and boys. Just ask Mullah Mohammed Ibrahim, a local cleric. Ninety percent of men have the desire to commit this sin, the mullah says. But most are right with God and exercise control. Only 20 to 50% of those who want to do this actually do it. Following the mullah's math, this suggests that between 18% and 45% of men here engage in homosexual sex--significantly higher than the 3% to 7% of American men who, according to studies, identify themselves as homosexual. That is a large number to defy the strict version of Islam practiced in these parts, which denounces sex between men as taboo. Muslims seeking council from religious elders on the topic will find them unsympathetic. Every person has a devil inside him, says Ibrahim. If a person commits this sin, it is the work of the devil. The Koran mandates hard punishment for offenders, the mullah explains. By tradition there are three penalties: being burned at the stake, pushed over the edge of a cliff or crushed by a toppled wall. During its reign in Kandahar, the Taliban implemented the
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Snooping On Neighbor
-Caveat Lector- There are plenty of reasons to worry about the attorney general's neighbor-against-neighbor approach, which harks back to Cold War days and fear-mongering. Because untrained members of watch programs lack the expertise to identify terrorists, it probably means they would snoop on every Arab or Muslim in a given neighborhood. That's racial profiling in the extreme, guaranteed to encourage ethnic scapegoating. That's the least of it; I foresee these untrained people also using their position to get back at neighbors with whom they have problems... About 10 years ago the tenants' group (now defunct) where I live kicked around the idea of forming a sort of neighborhood watch for the complex; those of us proposing the idea only envisioned a program where people would make it a point to keep an eye out for what was going on around them, and a sort of 'phone tree' of others to call if a member saw something suspicious. This would require no extensive training, and even elderly ladies could easily take part... But then some guys started talking about the neighborhood watch group as if it would be some sort a paramilitary venture; where we originally were thinking of members taking strolls about the complex in the evening as a way to not only keep one's eye out, but to create a presence of neighbors socializing amongst themselves, these guys talked about forming armed patrols to specifically 'look for trouble', and started mentioning certain tenants they thought should be specifically watched...tenants who had no criminal history, who weren't a threat to anyone, but whose sole 'crime' was having a spat with one of these paramilitary-wannabees The idea of a neighborhood watch group was therefore abandoned, even though it was sorely needed and still is...a REAL neighborhood watch group, and NOT a paramilitary revenge group... So I agree that these Homeland Security neighborhood watch groups are fraught with danger, not only for those who may be racially profiled, but for ANYONE who may be unfortunate enough to not get along with one of the members of such a group and who will therefore find themselves targeted just out of spite...as will any person in the neighborhood is thought 'strange', a loner, etc. In this war, President George W. Bush has even given children a role. To find out what stories the White House is feeding your kids about what good citizens are supposed to do to thwart terrorism, go to www.whitehouse.gov/kids. There you'll meet Lydia, a Philadelphia woman who foiled a sneak British attack -- we didn't call it terrorism then -- against our country on Dec. 4, 1777. She overheard British military leaders planning the assault when they were guests in her home. She mentioned this to nobody, not even her husband. Instead, she crossed British lines to alert Gen. George Washington's army. Arriving for what it had expected to be a sneak attack at Valley Forge, the British Army canceled the operation after finding Washington's men armed and waiting. One point of this story seems to be that all of us, youngsters included, have a duty to spy on others for Uncle Sam. Another more disturbing message seems to be that youngsters need not tell their parents what information they have gathered to pass on to the government, just like Lydia. What is also disturbing is the Orwellian doublespeak spin the government puts on this incident... First off, in December of 1777 the rebellious colonials were what we would today deem 'terrorists', and the British were the rightful ruling power. Indeed the British considered the sniping they were subject to by certain rebelling colonials to be an act of terrorism on a par with murder, and not 'real fighting' as they had been trained to fight in a war... Therefore Lydia was guilty of treason against the rightful government of colonial America, and was guilty of consorting with a terrorist group, namely George Washington and his army... Conversely, if the government wishes to portray the British army as akin to terrorists, then Lydia and her husband were guilty of aiding and abetting terrorists, and under the current Homeland Security rules, would be deemed as guilty as the terrorists... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Fw: CHÁVEZ COMEBACK EXPOSES U.S. GOVERNMENT MEDIA LIES
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On September 13th September? In the bad old Cold War days, the US Establishment used to attack its opponents for not holding multiparty elections. Well, Venezuela did hold multiparty elections and Chávez won by a landslide. But this was not sufficient. In the New World Order, democracy is not defined any longer as holding elections. Democracy is defined as supporting US polices. There is nothing new about it. Back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s the U.S. did the same thing to Vietnam, Guatamala, Chile, Iran, to name a few... The overriding philosophy of TPTB is democracy be damned if democracy results in the election of someone who opposes the interests of big oil, United Fruit, or any number of other big capitalist conglomerates... Ever wonder why there were no elections -- one of the most basic tenets of democracy -- held in South Vietnam while we were fighting the Vietnam War ostensibly in the NAME of democracy? Because it was known that in all probability that if free elections were held, it was highly likely that the South Vietnamese would elect someone who at best would have leftist ideas and oppose the U.S.-installed puppet-regime, and at worse they would outright elect a Communist government Because you see, democracy is all well and good if a people elect a rightwing government that is in bed with TPTB of the west, and especially is aligned with U.S. interests (interests that are NOT in the best interest of the U.S. people themselves), but it is quite a disposable commodity when a people dare to elect a government that holds its constituency's interests as more important than the interests of a handful of huge international conglomerates Thus when the military took over Venezuela three days ago and installed a pro-Washington big business leader as President, the Times did not describe this military coup d'état as a threat to democracy. Rather, they described it as *ending* a threat to democracy. Yes, we have reached and surpassed 1984 in both the literative, figurative, and actual sense, and Newspeak is not only alive and well, but thriving... But this time the Times gloated a bit too soon. Perhaps not. The whole thing is a tad too suspicious to me, and smacks of orchestration. Notice how Chavez, upon 'regaining power', immediately disbanded the state agency that was overseeing the oil cartel? It would seem that Chavez perhaps 'learned his lesson', and is starting to kowtow to Big Oil. Time will tell if this is indeed so; I suspect we will start seeing that Chavez is a little less energetic in opposing the Big Oil interests, will be less strident in calling for higher oil prices Since the New World Order has re-defined democracy as subservience to US diktat, As I pointed out above, it is not the NWO that redefined it, it was redefined immediately after WWII; but one could argue that the NWO really goes back that far, only under another name, if it had a name at all. The bottom-line is that the U.S. has ALWAYS interfered in democratically-elected governments if it suited U.S. interests, and this interference goes back at least as far as the Spanish-American War, but really erupted once the U.S. emerged as a world power after WWII... Venezuelan President Chávez had weakened essential elements of democracy by appointing as leaders of the state-owned oil company people that were (horrors!) loyal to his administration rather than to Chevron Oil and, perhaps even worse, by selling oil to Cuba at an affordable price. And as I pointed out above, immediately upon 'regaining power', Chavez disbanded this oversight committee, returning the state-owned oil company back to the pro-U.S.-interests who ran it before. As I stated above, such an action suggests that Chavez 'learned his lesson', and that this whole coup thing was orchestrated just for that reason... Because they wanted the military takeover to appear as a Change of Government (which, by the way is the title of the State Department declaration) rather than what it was: a US instigated military coup d'état. The same thing happened to Chile in the 70s, when Nixon was president of the U.S. The Nixon Administration -- most pointedly, Nixon himself -- were apopletic when the Chilean people, in democratic elections, elected a 'leftwing' government which the U.S. press painted as being only slightly less of a bogeyman than Cuba itself...and indeed the Nixon Administration was not happy that Chile was opening diplomatic and ecomic channels with Cuba, while at the same time cracking down on the U.S.-backed Big Business interests in Chile... Whether Chile's policies where 'right' or 'wrong', or 'good' or 'bad', is purely a subjective argument; what they ACTUALLY were, were the policies of a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT which instituted policies that the majority of the Chilean people supported, albeit policies that may not have put U.S. interests first, but rather the
Re: [CTRL] ANTON LAVEY AND SIR BASIL ZAHAROFF
-Caveat Lector- From: Mike Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] So how does Elvis fit in the picture. Ain't Elvis THE king?! ;-) I find myself UN-SURPRISED that SIR BASIL was best friends with THE KING. Pretty bizarre friendship, considering that Elvis was only a year old when Sir Basil died. June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Day light saving time
-Caveat Lector- From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] All you people who turned your clocks ahead one hour last night before going to bed and not waiting until 2am as you should have are in trouble. One of the unpublished provisions of the Homeland Defense bill was to strictly enforce the 2 am time change. An enforcement bureau has been set up to arrest, prosecute and jail offenders who changed their clocks before they went to bed. Kewl. I myself didn't bother resetting my own clocks until this morning, but when I went in to work yesterday afternoon my employer had already set all the clocks forward... ;-) June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: The Fourth Reich? Nazi Symbols Creeping Up in Land of the (Once) Free
-Caveat Lector- The Fourth Reich? Nazi Symbols Creeping Up in Land of the (Once) Free Two U.S. Post Office Stamps That Would Have Made Hitler Proud PHOENIX, Apr. 5 - The image was too much to take even for a writer who discerned as far back as Sep. 20, that what was happening in America in the aftermath of Sep. 11, was reminiscent of the early days of Nazi Germany (see War on Terrorism in America: Clash of Greens, Sep 28, 2001). Yet, when I first saw an e-mail from a TiM reader a couple of days ago, enclosing the column Imperial State Power in America, by Al Martin, a former U.S. Navy officer and a Washington government whistleblower, I could not believe my eyes. Nazi symbols creeping up in the land of the free? It cant be! It can. They are. It is happening, right here in the Imperial States of America, the Fourth Reich. Heres what Al Martin said in that e-mail on Apr. 2 that grabbed my attention instantly (excerpted): Now even US postage stamps will project the supremacy of American Imperial Power into the world. The new 57-cent stamp shows an eagle, which is an exact copy of the symbol of the Waffen SS (not an exact copy, but pretty close - see the images at our web site - TiM Ed.), which in turn was taken from the Imperial Praetorian eagle of Ancient Rome. This is one of the first in a new series of postage stamps being released by the US Post Office to commemorate the New Age of State Power. [ ] The stamp portrays an eagle resting on triple-perched pediments. It's a beautifully executed design, if one wants to portray State Power. This eagle is man's most ancient and recognizable symbol of State Power. The seven pediments on the eagle's chevron shaped breastplate represent the seven hills of Rome. The three Ionic columned perch represents Order, Discipline and Obedience, which was the pledge undertaken by the Obsidian Order. Any philatelist would recognize this eagle and any numismatist, who collects Third Reich or Caesarian coins, would also know it. This iconography is not original with the Third Reich, of course, since they borrowed it from the ancient Romans. The symbolism is stark. The Germans also duplicated it during the time of the monarchy in the 18th century. During the subsequent reign of the House of Hohenzolleren, you'd see many flags with the expression: Ruhe, Ordnung und Sichheit (Calm, Order and Security). The eagle then is not only a symbol of imperial power, but of the unity of the State. As long as the State remains unified under the symbol of Imperial State Power, then Calm, Order, Security, Discipline and Obedience will prevail. It took the Romans centuries to squash out dissent. This is a sublime warning for the people to be united under one banner, and that banner is the imperial power of the State. In Ancient Rome, it constituted a warning to any dissidents. To get back to the design, the eagle is perched on the famed triple Ionic column, which was the symbol of the much feared and dreaded Obsidian Order of the Imperial Praetorian Guard, also called the Black Order. Obsidian is a very hard lustrous black stone that has been used for thousands of years. In Ancient Rome, the Obsidian Order was the most elite of the elite Praetorian Guard, containing Caesar's assassins. They specialized in liquidating dissidents The Obsidian Order was the group, which quietly liquidated those who dissented and any who threatened to tell the truth. [ ] To read the rest of the column, click here (at our web site). Immediately upon reading the Al Martin piece, this writer went to the local Phoenix post office. Do you have a 57-cent stamp? Yes, we do, the postal clerk replied. What is it used for? For two-ounce first class mail. May I see it? I hear it has a Nazi eagle on it. Well, the 55-cent stamp has the same eagle. Okay then, please get me both of them. The clerk returned with two sheets of stamps - one with a bluish background (57 cents) the other golden (55 cents). I examined them carefully. I vaguely remembered seeing pictures of Nazi rallies at which Hitler spoke under such gigantic eagles in the background (see the photo of one at our web site with the US stamp superimposed on it). Thats the one, I said. Thats what somebody told me was a Nazi eagle. Oh, I wouldnt know about that, the clerk hedged uncomfortably. We call it an art deco eagle. Well, youve got it right then. Thats the right era the 1930s. So it must have been done deliberately. The clerk was squirming uncomfortably. How many stamps would you like? Just two, I replied. One of each. Just two? Yes. I want them as my Nazi souvenirs. I bought the stamps and then added to those images the original Nazi insignia, both German the Army and the Waffen SS. If you go to our web site, you can see for yourself the Nazi symbols in the land of the (once) free that your tax dollars buy. Of course, the EU (European Union) beat us to it. Longtime
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Everybody's scandal
-Caveat Lector- From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Neuropsychotic - put it this way, I do not answer to you, Bagal Hole... You don't answer because you can't. Why you object to questions is beyond me, but ok. Colleen objects because you ask INTELLIGENT questions that point out her inanities, and for which she obviously has no answers...as you point out, she doesn't answer these questions because she can't, and it's because of this that she objects... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Suffering John Paul II unable to carry cross
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I prefer white Joshua Tinnin and as for the Catholic church, I am not Catholic. It seems to me I remember you admitting that you don't attend church at all, and really don't believe in the Bible, which makes you the Queen of Hypocrites... So what religion DO you profess, Colleen? My family was very careful about pedigress Like the livestock they are... You seem somewhat obsessed with this blonde haired blue eyed thing If anyone here is obsessed with that matter it is you, Colleen, you keep trumpeting it as some sort of badge of honor... For you see I believe in reincarnatin Ah, so you admit to NOT being a Christian; but what religion is it exactly that you DO adhere to, Colleen? and one must be very careful or one could wake up someday in a real live movie Guess Who's Coming to Dinner situation. And the problem would be...? What does reincarnation have to do with interracial marriages? June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Fwd: smh.com.au - Uganda cult
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Surely there is something this CIA fact book is leaving out re Uganda else why the mass murders down there , and Priests who loose themselves from the Roman Catholic Church to go it alone... H...sounds a lot like IRELAND, doesn't it? Blonde haired blue eyed chidren equates to the white race, So according to you, black-haired brown-eyed Portuguese aren't part of the 'white race', neither is a Hungarian with red hair and auburn eyes? Only blondes with blue eyes are really 'white'? June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Suffering John Paul II unable to carry cross
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joshua Tinnin - I am Irish pure on my father's side, and Welsh, Irish, English, Scotch on my mother 's side... Ah, so on your mother's side you are a fermented alcoholic beverage? Someone from Scotland would NEVER describe themselves nor their ancestors as Scotch... I simply have no brindle brown or black Ethiopian in my family tree..my sister had auburn hair, the other was silver yellow blonde..but all were shades of blonde and blue - which takes in many shades, but no BLACK ETHIOPIAN NEGRO AFRICAN in our family tree. I don't believe anyone has claimed that you do... But hey, I'm 'pure' Scots/Irish on my father's side and 'pure' Dutch/Hungarian on my mother's side, and nary a natural blond/blonde nor blue-eye in the lot -- and according to your criteria, that does not make me really 'white'? No one gives a rat's ass if you DO have non-caucasian gene's in your ancestry, Colleen -- that is purely your own obsession, and no one else's who isn't a card-carrying Nazi and/or KKKer like you... Is this clear now - go to your hair dresser and say you want to be a blonde and you find variations from brown to blonde or like this little Princess of Wales had soft brown hair but had it done with the latest craze - whitish blonde with dark tones. So now it's not only blonds who qualify as being truly 'white', but now there are degrees of 'whiteness' depending upon the shade of blondness? In your case, Colleen, BLOND = BLAND... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Everybody's scandal
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey kids remember all that good stuff I sent to you re the Dog Catcher's daughter - he being kicked off one list because of her trouble making Name the list, Colleen, name the list... You can't, because there isn't such a list... Say hey, Colleen -- it's been said that you and your friend Amelia are really men in drag, awaiting sex-change operations... this self ordained Preacher is it I never claimed that; I've always been quite open about the fact that my 'ordaiment' was bought for me by my 'congregation' for $5 from the back of a tabloid, I never ordained myself... giving advice where it is not wanted Well now, Colleen, that pretty much describes YOU, doesn't it? Excusa Me, but I am laughing so hard I must take a break... Yes, 'women' of your age are known to have weak bladders, especially when laughing; we'll all still be here after you come back from changing your adult diaper... Hey June going to sacrifice any dogs today for blood ritual? Such a lovely lady - prefers dogs be murdered rather than find a home. I have never sacrificed anything for any ritual, 'blood' or otherwise. I do not prefer that any animal be murdered, and I challenge you to find any post of mine that ever claimed that. I prefer that ALL pets be well taken care of in loving homes, by RESPONSIBLE owners who will see to it that their pets do not breed indiscriminately... Unfortunately that is not the case for MILLIONS of pets, resulting in a major problem with strays that no one wants; I DO prefer that such unfortunate animals be put to sleep in a humane manner rather than face a lifetime of disease, starvation, and being run over by cars. YOU, Colleen, of all people, always haranguing about 'pedigrees' and such, should be the first person to bemoan the problem of indiscriminate breeding... But I guess that for you, that only applies to your narrow branch of 'white people' and not to your pets...and that for you it's perfectly exceptable to euthanize what you deem human 'mongrels' (e.g., people of a certain race, religion, and/or sexual orientation)... And do not worry about my pedigree June from what I have read of yours you are not sure whether you are a bisexual, homosexual, or whatever but you sure wave that Gay Pride flag. First off, explain to us what 'pedigree' has to do with one's sexual orientation. Secondly, I've always stated that I am a heterosexual female, as every male I've ever been with sexually has heartily asserted; YOU and your pal Amelia (it's been said) are the only ones who are confused about their own sexuality. Unlike you, I was born with a uterus and vagina... Thirdly, I have never flown nor waved the so-called Gay Pride flag...but I DO feel that homosexuals deserve the right to be assured of the rights assured ALL citizens of the United States Ju A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Keeping perps safe underground by Carol Rutz
-Caveat Lector- There are many underground facilities throughout the United States which are set up to house those people that are considered 'essential.' It would be interesting to view the master list, wouldn't it? What secrets might truly be uncovered if we were to find out who in this nation is truly worthy of surviving a catastrophic incident? It's no secret; just get your hands on a copy of FEMA's Duck and Cover plan from the 80s, which lists what it considers 'essential' personnel... The thing is, there's essential and then there is essential... On one level are your politicos who get to evacuate to a distant and secure locations, most likely underground; it's unlikely that they, like the rest of us, would be held to the requirement of evacuating on one's designated day...you see, John and Jane Doe get assigned to groups based on the first letter of their last name, and will need to paste their group designation to the windshield of their car so that they will be allowed to join their designated group of evacuees... FEMA neglects to address the issue of people forging group designations of groups who get to evacuate earlier, nor does it address the issue of how to handle those who just decide to ignore their designation and go with an earlier evacuation group... In other words, if you are unlucky enough to be part of groups D or E, you are expected to just sit back and calmly await the imminent catastrophic event while groups A evacuates on day 1, group B evacuates on day 2, and group C evacuates on day 3 Of course those extra days will give groups D and E the chance to gather up those things that FEMA has said is absolutely necessary for each and every evacuee to bring along, things like portable toilets, shovels, at least one heavy wooden door, etc. FEMA is strangely silent on the issue of what people who don't own cars are supposed to do; it also avoids the issue of what to do with hospital and nursing home patients... OTOH, it does place medical personnel high on the B list of 'essential' personnel; this secondary list of occupations, unlike the first who will be able to save their butts early and easily, are expected to remain behind at their various Ground Zeros to assist in the evacuation of those who are designated 'nonessential'; this secondary list of what are deemed 'essential' occupations is quite surreal, as anyone who has anything to do with delivering, selling, preparing, or serving food is designated 'essential' and will NOT be allowed to evacuate. That means the minimum-wage clerks at your local grocery and the hamburger-flippers at the local fastfood joint, not to mention the truck drivers who bring in the produce and other food stuffs... Not only doctors and nurses are expected to remain behind, but nurses aides, orderlies, pharmacists, pharmacy technicians, even pharmacy clerks; police officers are considered 'essential' (hence will not be allowed to evacuate), as are prison guards. FEMA seems to feel that prison guards will gladly watch their own families evacuate to safety while the guards gladly stay behind to watch their charges in the various prisonsFEMA believes this so much that it doesn't bother addressing the issue of what to do with the prison population when this Duck and Cover evacuation plan is instituted. As I previously mentioned, FEMA pretty much ignores what to do with the hospital and nursing home populations, as it also ignores what to do with the residents of mental institutions. FEMA has only a vague paragraph regarding urban residents who don't own a car...it somehow expects busses to be provided for these people, although it fails to spell out in detail how this sort of plan is to be brought about; FEMA doesn't mention how these bus riders are expected to bring along the hundred-something When I saw the news article published by the Federation of American Scientists (from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy, Volume 2002, Issue No. 17, March 4, 2002) in which they cited the Washington Post and the Cleveland Plain Dealer and their claims of breaking the news on the Shadow Government, I became so intrigued that I had to read these stories. One of the sites that was mentioned was Mount Pony in Culpeper, Virginia. One more piece of the amazing puzzle of my own experiences of being experimented on as a child during the Cold War as told in my book A Nation Betrayed, suddenly came together. Sidney Gottlieb who retired from the CIA in 1973 after two decades with the CIA, owned a small farm near Boston, Va., about 10 miles northwest of Culpeper, Virginia. The location of his farm seems to be well planned when you understand its proximity to Mount Pony in Culpeper, Virginia. Mount Pony was a 140,000 square foot radiation hardened facility with a 400 foot long bunker, built of steel-reinforced concrete a foot thick and covered by 2 to 4 feet of dirt. Until July 1992 the bunker served as a Continuity of Government
Re: [CTRL] Keeping perps safe underground by Carol Rutz
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{Sorry, my bad -- hit the 'Send' button by mistake]
From: RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FEMA has only a vague paragraph regarding urban residents who don't own a
car...it somehow expects busses to be provided for these people, although
it fails to spell out in detail how this sort of plan is to be brought
about; FEMA doesn't mention how these bus riders are expected to bring
along the hundred-something
...hundred-something pounds of 'stuff' it says is required, including that
portable toilet, heavy wooden door, and at least one shovel...
June
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Re: [CTRL] Whose Got The Funk? (was: opposition to Israel)
-Caveat Lector- From: Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a difference between liking music because of the race of the person who creates it (or disliking it for same), and liking it simply because it's good music. I really like George Clinton, but Fats Domino not so much. And the fact that Colleen would lump the two together amply demonstrates what a tin ear she has (not to mention her leaden soul)... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Whose Got The Funk? (was: opposition to Israel)
-Caveat Lector- From: Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really like George Clinton, but Fats Domino not so much. And the fact that Colleen would lump the two together amply demonstrates what a tin ear she has (not to mention her leaden soul)... I dunno, I could see it going either way as far as those two artists, and can't disparage people for liking one over the other. Fats is 50s do-wop, George is 70s funk. Exactly. My comment was not meant to disparage Fats Domino, only point out that the fact that Colleen cannot differentiate between a 50s do-wop artist and a 70s funk artist amply proves that she has a tin ear in addition to her leaden soul... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Whose Got The Funk? (was: opposition to Israel)
-Caveat Lector- From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] George Clinton is a musician, and one of the great musical arrangers (along with mingus and zappa) of modern music. He is the the master of Funk. Maybe you never heard of him, cause he's black, and we all know how you feel about that, colleen. Not to mention that Colleen has never been a member of Parliament, and she could only wish to be Funkadelic... ;-) June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Kansas City Star | 03/21/2002 | Principal,teacher removed from Pitcher Elementary while districtinvestigates alleged strip search
-Caveat Lector- From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember once when in elementary school my mother found out in the little girls rooms, there were no doors on the johns..and teachers would walk in and look around - little 2 and 3 graders..and two bull mooses seemed to be in charge. You shouldn't call your mother a bull moose, Colleen...it insults real bull mooses... So my mother who was also a school teacher but not in school employ at the time, began to wonder about these people. It seems your mother was doing a little peeping of her own, else why would she even be in the girls room when you admit she didn't even work for the school? Well within a week an embarrassed school board had the doors installed and no more peep shows. Much to your mother's disappointment, no doubt... I still remember those two women and both were built like Janet Reno..some of these bull moose have a style unto themselves. Ah, so your mother took you along on her peeping expeditions? Lets have big Show and Tell Days in the Schools - get those lesbian nurses and homosexual teachers for it is SHOW TIME. You still are under the delusion that homosexuality = pedophilia, aren't you? The other day there was a breaking story in the NYC area, not sure if it was in a NYC school or a school in NJ, but big scandal over a 40-something-year-old male computer teacher molesting a handful of 4th-grade girls in his class... So does that mean all heterosexuals are pedophiles? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Building Big: Databank: World TradeCenter
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] June you are as usual - can think of no better description. This is the fourth time you have passed on bad information on this list So you didn't even bother checking the links I provided showing that you were wrong? You said the WTC was not built on a landfill? To be polite this is the fourth time I have had to write to correct one of your inaccurate statements Yes, you obviously did NOT even bother going to the sites whose links I provided... Do a Google search yourself, Colleen...just search on either WTC history or Radio Row; in less than 5 minutes you will have a plethora of sites showing the history of the site on which the WTC was built, and not a one of them describe or show a 'landfill'... Now go back and plagiarize someone else's intellectual property I challenge you to provide just ONE instance where I ever plagiarized ANYTHING... Since you obviously think you are the critic of those on this list, Not of 'those on the list', only of YOUR ridiculous and asinine postings... The Twin Towers was built on landfill... Provide proof (other than the PBS site, which is in error)... Further your only accurate information in what you put out, was what I put out recently Not that I would ever plagiarize anything, but I definitely would not plagiarize from YOU, Colleen...why would I ever want to associate myself with your asinine postings? from reliable sources. Ah yes...your it's been said crowd... Go do your own research, I did, and you obviously have chosen to ignore it to continue to argue your insupportable contention that the WTC was built on a landfill... I guess all those hundreds of thousands of people who remember shopping at all those stores on the Lower West Side prior to 1962 are hallucinating? why not give us a course on euthanasia of doggies? Well that's better than your call for the euthanasia of all homosexuals, blacks, Jews, etc The statement stands, now up yours, plagiarist. Provide PROOF that I have ever plagiarized ANYTHING Because the towers were built on six acres of landfill, the foundation of each tower had to extend more than 70 feet below ground level to rest on solid bedrock. Colleen, darlin'...almost ALL skyscrapers built in NYC have foundations going down to bedrock, a necessary precaution against their collapsing -- it has nothing to do with whether the site was ever a landfill or not; the WTC, being so tall and so heavy, by necessity had to dig down to bedrock...the problem was that in doing so, it caused the site to be flooded by Hudson River seepage, making the building of the retaining wall nicknamed The Bathtub to keep the water out...and to save the surrounding buildings from collapsing... It really is ridiculous that you claim that there was a landfill in the middle of one of the most heavily commercialized districts of Lower Manhattan, a contention which the aerial photo at the site I posted shows is not true... you have a tendency towards submitting inaccurate information from time to time which goes by unchallenged presumably because nobody reads your plagiarized material Obviously you do... Again I challenge you to PROVE that anything I have posted has been plagiarized by me... So 4th time June you have either passed on bad information, The sites I've provided prove that it is NOT 'bad information'...you, OTOH, only have the PBS site, which IS in error, to fall back on; I challenge you to do more research... Often the information you present suffice to say is inaccurate, third hand, and not necessarily based upon fact. Provide some 'for instances', Colleen... Bet it takes two tons of landfill under your computer seat to keep your big fat ass from falling into the pits of hell. That's something YOU obviously have more experience with, Colleen...not to mention the toxic waste dump that is your brain... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: A Rush to Fix Ground Zero's Damaged Dike
-Caveat Lector- From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] (saba note: according to one report, the World Trade Center was built on landfill?) More of your unsubstantiated it has been said, Colleen? The WTC was NOT built on 'landfill'; it was built in an area that had previously been developed with smaller buildings, most of which housed electronics stores and was nicknamed Radio Rowthe tenants of Radio Row tried to fight the Imminant Domain takeover of their buildings by the city, and that fight delayed the onset of construction of the WTC for years... To be able to support the vast weight of the two main WTC towers (which at the time were the largest buildings in the world), builders had to dig down to bedrock (after the existing buildings on the site were demolished) and build what has been nicknamed 'The Bathtub' to keep the waters of the Hudson River, which is only a few hundred yards away, out. Hudson River seepage presented a great problem then, as it is presenting now -- what is NOT mentioned in the article is the fact that if The Bathtub walls ARE breeched and the site floods, it could very likely cause the collapse of surrounding buildings. The 'landfill' that is confusing Colleen is the landfill that was CREATED BY THE WTC CONSTRUCTION; the tons of dirt excavated from the 16-acre WTC site as they dug down to bedrock was deposited a few hundred yards away at the Hudson River, and created what is today known as Battery Park... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Fwd: Building Big: Databank: World Trade Center
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is original story - now June take note you are a liar. And you are an asshole who does not know one iota of NYC history and gullibly takes an incorrect statement from a PBS site as the gospel truth and is too lazy to spend even 5 minutes doing a Google search on WTC history Try the following site instead: http://www.mcny.org/nytradeoffs/radio.htm On which one finds the following: New York Trade Offs: Single Trade Districts The Radio District A remarkable district of small retail stores once thrived where the World Trade Center now stands. Small stores specializing in everything from pets to athletic supplies could be found in the area bounded by West, Church, Liberty, and Vesey Streets. It was dominated, though, by those selling televisions, radios, and high-fidelity sound equipment and parts, particularly the infinite variety of vacuum tubes on which electronic home appliances once ran. [snip] By the early 1960s, the Port Authority and New York's city and state governments had begun planning the World Trade Center. Backed by real estate developers and construction companies, the Center encountered no effective opposition. Land was quickly bought up, shops closed, and buildings demolished. It took just ten short years, 1962 to 1972, from the selection of the Radio District as the site for the World Trade Center to the completion of the twin towers. That great landmark came at the cost of a marvelous old part of town. - But since it is obvious that pictures are easier for you to comprehend than actual reading, you should check out the following site which has a photographic history of the WTC construction, starting with an aerial view of the site prior to the demolition of Radio Row...gee, not a 'landfill' in sight http://iserve.wtca.org/History/pages/01_jpg.htm So Colleen, you owe me an apology for calling me a liar. But I won't hold my breathe waiting for it... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gloria Steinem: How The CIA
-Caveat Lector- Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. That Steinem was a CIA asset has been known for decades; the fact that the writer only found out about it 'last week' after initiating his diatribe suggests much about the writer's lack of scholarship and research... She became a media darling due to her CIA connections. Actually she became a 'media darling' more because she had once been a Playboy Bunny, a fact the writer doesn't seem to know since he never mentions it in writing about Steinem's history... Steinem has tried to suppress this information, unearthed in the 1970´s by a radical feminist group called Red Stockings. Golly, gee! The writer maligns feminism, especially radical feminism, yet admits it was a radical feminist group who first uncovered and published the fact that Steinem was associated with the CIA There is evidence that the 60´s drug counter culture, the civil rights movement, and anti-war movement, like feminism, were CIA directed. Probably not at the beginning; but the spooks have a way of infiltrating and subverting any popular movement to suit their own purposes... They exploited the 'leftist' popular movements of the 50s thru the 70s, they are now exploiting the 'rightist' movements of today... According to Mark Riebling, the CIA also may have used Timothy Leary. Certainly the agency distributed LSD to Leary and other opinion makers in the 1960s. Of course the CIA 'used' Leary...it was the CIA that footed the bill into LSD research up until LSD's use was outlawed in 1967... The thing was, the spooks had certain ideas as to what uses LSD could be put to, and causing a general psychic enlightenment amongst the massess was NOT what they had in mind... Leary made a generation of Americans turn away from active participation in society and seek fulfillment within. And the problem with that is? Actually, Leary never 'made' anyone do anything...he just presented LSD in a beneficial aspect (and there WERE plenty of scientific studies showing that it DID work well when used therapeutically in a controlled situation), and up until LSD was outlawed it was perfectly legal to use... And quite a few people used it, many of whom only used it once and went on to live productive lives...in fact, it was the very same Tune In, Turn On, Drop Out generation that overwhelmingly voted Ronald Reagan into office in 1980... I won´t attempt to analyze the CIA´s motivation except to suggest what these acts have in common: They demoralized, alienated and divided Americans. One could argue that it is not necessarily the USE of such substances with cause demoralization, alienation, and division, but rather the OUTLAWING of the use of such substances, which then creates a criminal society of users and a criminal society of suppliers... The elite operates by fostering division and conflict in the world. All accounts of LSD users who did not have 'bad trips' (and most 'bad trips' occured AFTER it was outlawed in 1967, which suggests that the CIA itself was flooding the market with 'bad acid') state that one of the benefits of using acid was to fully experience the total connection with all creation, both animate and inanimate...which is probably why the CIA had it outlawed, since the fostering of commonality and brotherhood has NEVER been high on it's agenda... Yet the lie that men have exploited women has become the official orthodoxy. Oh, so the writer would have us to believe that woman have ALWAYS had full civil rights? That even today, women aren't paid only 58 cents for every dollar paid to a man? Man loves woman. SOME men love SOME women. How that 'love' is manifested varies from man to man and is never uniform; some men are secure enough not to sweat the fact that the woman they love wishes to have an independent life. Other men are insecure, and keep the women they love in virtual slavery... His first instinct is to nurture (husband) and see her thrive. Bull. A good many men just want a servant and bed partner, someone who will provide a beer or sex upon demand... When a woman is happy, she is beautiful. When ANYONE is happy, they are beautiful; that not only applies to women but to men, children, and pets for that matter... Sure, some men are abusive. But the vast majority have supported and guided their families for millennium. If 'support and guidance' means that no one else in the family is allowed an opinion, let alone the autonomy to put their opinions into action, then that very 'support and guidance' is in itself abusive... Feminists relentlessly advance the idea that our inherent male and female characteristics, crucial to our development as human beings, are mere stereotypes. They are. Studies done on babies that have been dressed in clothes of the opposite sex
Re: [CTRL] Did the FBI copy Yahoo groups drivesoverthe weekend?
-Caveat Lector- One shouldn't have to take a whole server down for more than a day just to make a copy of the email traffic of all the newsgroups and email lists a server supports...a copy can be made while the server is up and functioning normally...even if the server WAS brought down for such a function, it should only take a couple of hours at most to make a copy of the data on the system... In fact if the system is run properly, Yahoo's computer department should be making a full system backup on a weekly basis, so there should normally be a full system copy available at any time, albeit perhaps a few days old... Now if they wanted to install software that would MONITOR all email traffic to those newsgroups and email lists and flag those containing what are determined to be 'hot' words (ala AOHell), that would be another matter entirely -- the server WOULD have to be brought offline and kept offline to the general public as the new software was installed and tested...a process that WOULD take a better part of a day to complete... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you are one big ignoramus and your theories, really Joshua Tinnin, are not original nor are they conclusive. You use the 'your ideas are not original' attack quite often, Colleen, so much so that one has to think that you yourself know that nothing you post is original, and therefore originality is a triggerpoint for you... As has been pointed out, your posts consist only of it has been said while never providing documentation for who said it and when it was said, and your continual references to your so-called bible code for which you also never provide documentation... Let me know when you come up with something original And please, Colleen, do likewise...please let us know when one tiny grain of originality occurs in your befuddled thought process... Tell me have you ever come up with anything original in your life? Have YOU, Colleen? Now go ahead and spellcheck this and edit it for me if you have the time; for I do not. So what's taking up all of your time, Colleen? It seems you do nothing else except play with yourself or your WebTV... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Georgia authorities file 30 more charges against crematoryoperator
-Caveat Lector- m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Even though not they have his father, his moher and his sister all up on charges, we are told how religious this family was, what good people they were and oh by the way, they are negro and the bodies in question were all white, to date. For you see black people do not go for cremation. At least didn't down here. Show some objective documentation for the racial background of the bodies in question; your own twisted, psychotic prejudice does NOT count as evidence. June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] rumor has it danny boy...
-Caveat Lector- From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] However Danny Boy - once I was asked by this man in intelligence field what you mean you used your real name.why yes, I said because I am so obscure Strange...on one hand you want us to believe that you and your family are aristocrats who have hobnobbed with The Beautiful People for millenia, then on the other hand you claim to be so 'obscure'... So which is it, Colleen? and besides they do not kill women do they? Ah, so THAT explains your sex-change operation...a naive belief that if you were a female, you wouldn't be killed... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Der Fuhrer Mayor Bloomberg
-Caveat Lector- From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Strange - when these two guys came up with the idea It was a consortium of artists who came up with the idea, not just 'two guys'... of the light memorial shortly after the WTC demise and demolition they should have given a credit line as to whom and what used these symbols quite effectively and it was the Architech Albert Speer Idiot. Even the previous article you provided to ostensibly 'prove' your point had everyone except the liberal Green Party mayor who was insisting on Political Correctness quite rightly saying that absolutely no one today associates light shows with Albert Speer... Light shows were done years before Speer came on the scene, most notably at amusement parks from 1900 thru the 1930s, when the use of electrical lights on a large scale was still a novel idea and therefore was as much an attraction for the public as the sideshows and rides at such parks... Hitler was an art student who did paintings; does that mean every painter since Hitler is secretly honoring Hitler? Hitler also loved Wagner, and thought his operas described the New Reich of the Aryan Superman; does that mean that every performance of Twilight of the Gods since 1945 is a tribute to Hitler? Does the Wagner/Nazi connection to Parsifal mean that the cartoon strip Prince Valiant is really a 'nod' to the Nazis? Speer didn't create anything new, he just built on what had been done before, albeit with unlimited resources at his disposal. If there was any one TRUE creative genius of Nazi Germany, it was the filmmaker Leni Reifenstahl (sp?), whose Triumph of the Will and Olympia contained such ground-breaking techniques that almost every filmmaker since has utilized at least one technique that Reifenstahl originated... But that doesn't mean that all those subsequent filmmakers were honoring either Reifenstahl or Hitler or the Nazis, only that they recognized dramatic artistic techniques that could be used for other purposes... A holocaust was committed on the Twin Tower site - but what will always be remembered is Larry Silverstein with the new plans (when he even stole that idea from somebody else for they were plans submitted but not chosen for first World Trade Center) - anywyay it will always be remembered it was Larry Silverstein who the next day had the new plans on the drawing board waiting for his 7 billion dollar insurance policy to bear fruit. It's been pointed out to you time and time again, duncehead, that Silverstein did NOT have 'new plans' the day after the attacks, he had one of many alternative plans that had been submitted to the Port Authority back in the early 1960s when the WTC was first proposed and put out to bid for design...the PA has kept all of the other plans in storage and they are all available for consideration for possible reconstruction of the site... These lights are a nice memorial to Albert Speer Only for you...but since you admire the Nazis and all things Aryan, this is no surprise... Now all we need is to hear Amazing Grace played day and night until the people of New York cannot tolerate anymore of this holocaust. Actually we HAVE been hearing it almost every day since 9/11, as more remains of firefighters are recovered and yet another funeral is held... We in the NYC metro area are far from becoming intolerant 'of this holocaust'... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Light Show Stirs Dark Memories
-Caveat Lector- From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought it strange this Mayor Bloomberg chose today to light up the World Trade Center site It's the 6-month anniversary, stupid... this Twin Tower Lights what kind of a celebration is this - to a death and not a rebirth? Idiot, it's not a celebration, it's a temporary memorial. Albert Speer was a great architect - but his Cathedral of Light was something for which he will long be remembered. Only by you...but then you ARE so fond of Nazis, aren't you? Strange though that Bloomberg would light up this light on a day of death for it is more of a memorial to Albert Speer than to the nearly 3,000 who died that day - the sitting ducks in the tower. Bloomberg had nothing to do with it; the idea was put together within a week after 9/11, it just took this long to get it together (plus they wanted to wait for a significant date, such as the 6-month anniversary)... Wonder who those two guys were who thought this up It was a consortium of artists, not just 2 guys... for the Twin Towers.were they maybe thinking of Speer that day? No, they were only thinking of creating an ethereal image of the two towers in a medium that wouldn't hinder the ongoing recovery work... I hope that enough people prevail on The Powers That Be to keep the lights permanently, not just for the next month... For while Colleen is too ignorant to 'get it', a group of Mexican tourists in NYC last night had no such problem...reverently awed by the lights, they stated to a local NYC reporter that the towers now reach up to Heaven A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Konformist: WTC BLUEPRINTS....WILL THEY BE RELEASED ? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- WTC BLUEPRINTS http://www.ulster.net/~babs7/hartwellreports/wtcblueprints.htm A letter from attorney Marcy Gordon to a Congressman who is seeking to have the WTC blueprints released for public scrutiny. This babe needs to get a few clues... First off, she obviously doesn't live anywhere near NYC, else she'd know her claim that: a) the airspace over the WTC was restricted, and b) there were missiles on top of one tower is patently absurd... First off, the top of the North Tower was filled with broadcast equipment and antennas -- no room for missiles there; the top of the South Tower was the tourist observation deck -- perhaps the missiles were placed amongst the pay-per-view binocular machines...? Secondly, the airspace over the WTC was never restricted; indeed, the Light Memorial that was first turned on tonight is only going to be turned on from sunset to 11pm, so that it won't inordinately interfere with air traffic; lower Manhattan always has all manner of aircraft flying over and around it... Third, the plans to the WTC are public record, and have ALWAYS been available to anyone just for the asking... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Joel was Son of Ladan
-Caveat Lector- From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go ahead June show your ignoroance; for your information the King James Bible to which I referred was translated from the original Greek Texts - hence the term I am the Alpha and the Omega. I never said ANYTHING regarding the KJV being translated from Greek texts, original or otherwise; point of fact, the translators availed themselves of ALL sources that were available to them at the time, including the oldest Greek and Latin versions still in existance. And they then inserted a caveat into their introduction to the translation warning against taking their translation as 'the gospel truth' (pun intended), as they recognized that discoveries of older texts that may be made in the future would give additional information that would affect translations into English; they noted that they did the best they could with what they had available to work with, but that future discoveries could rightly modify their work... What I was referring to in my post was your claim that your ancestors worked on the translation in the 1800s; the KJ bible was created during the reign of James I of England, in the 1600s... You will note the Hebrew alphabet is used in the 119th Psalm - more ritual murders. Well since Psalms is part of the OLD Testament, of course it would be originally spoken, and then later written down, in Hebrew... Further Jesus Christ closed the book at Isiah 60 and blew off the whole god damned bunch. You once admitted that you not only do NOT attend church, but that you don't particularly even BELIEVE anything that is written in the Bible...so why do you consistently go off on wild tangents regarding what you think anything in the Bible 'means'? My ancesators and relatatives on my mother's side in particular were ALL Greek and Latin scholars virtually Are these the same ancestors and relatives who descend from Charlemagne and King Arthur and who have hobnobbed with all manner of royalty, the Kennedys, and the Mafia? Well perhaps these obsessive pursuers of The-Lifestyles-of-the-Rich-and-Famous-Throughout-History were indeed Greek and Latin scholars...but YOU, my dear Colleen, ARE NOT. And your manic meandering posts regarding your hallucinations on holy writ prove it. June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Joel was Son of Ladan
-Caveat Lector- From: Don S. Brown Well, I must say that I really do not understand what you are saying. I apologize as it seems that English is not your native language Well Colleen claims to live in the U.S. and come from a long line going back to the Revolution (note 'her' claim that an ancestor was one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence), 'she' even claims to have worked as an editor at one time, so presumably English is 'her' native tongue, even if 'she' uses it poorly... and your style of writing is very confusing to me. I am sure the fault is mine. Not at all; rather it is Colleen's thought processes which are confused... Actually, I was not directing my comments towards you. I was directing them to the all of the members that use the bible as an historical reference towards people and events. Which Colleen indeed does, even tho 'she' claims not to believe in the Bible... The Egyptians that documented which way the wind was blowing when Pharaoh farted never wrote of any Jewish Exodus or destruction of Egyptian armies by a sea closing in on them. Perhaps because the ancient Egyptians never wrote of their defeats, only their victories...and losing a couple of hundred thousand slaves, ostensibly due to divine intervention on the part of the slaves and notfor Pharaoh would NOT be something the Egyptians would care to document for all eternity to read... BTW, I am DEFINITELY no thumper and I am the last to push the Bible as inerring historical fact...but you, OTOH, are only presenting personal opinion that isn't supported by recent archeological discoveries and modern biblical-era scholarship... Never happened. The myths and stories of the Jews were taken from legends of the Babylonians (Hammurabi's texts), the Egyptians, who traded with the northern peoples (cannanites) and others. And don't forget the Assyrian myths that were also borrowed... I agree that the majority of the Bible is based on myths from earlier 'pagan' civilizations...but that doesn't mean that the myths don't contain an element of truth... ;-) For example, here in the U.S. we have a secular myth regarding George Washington chopping down a cherry tree as a boy and throwing a silver dollar across the Delaware River; while these myths are not objectively 'true', they DO contain subjective truths...and the fact that they are myths doesn't change the fact that George Washington WAS an actual person who DID have a significant impact on our history and culture... June www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Joel was Son of Ladan
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We I now he is not a Georgia boy, and that preacher's licence no doubt cost him two bucks (like June - pardon, the Reverand Coaltar.. Well I've never hidden the fact that my 'Reverand' [sic] credentials were bought for me from an ad in the back of a tabloid... Better 'truth in advertising' and as relevant as the claim of any Jesuit, or other official spokesperson for an 'established' religion... Strange that someone like you, Colleen, who has professed to not only not going to church but in not believing in the Bible, are suddenly so keen to claim so many Jesuits and priests and nuns amongst your family, as if that means anything at all I had an uncle who was a Jesuit - no blood relation, but lots of priests and nuns in the family - this one lone Jesuit had the brain of a Univac as do most Jesuits. Well actually that is no complement... The Univac, like all computers, does not 'think' for itself -- it performs instructions that it is programmed to follow, albeit very quickly... Come to think of it, that DOES describe the Jesuits, priests, and nuns, doesn't it? This guy no doubt looks yiddish, thinks zulu, and acts like no collar 6 pack Charlie sitting on bar stool with seat belt hooked on ready for big trip. Gee, Colleen...that description sounds like a scenario that you are keenly familiar with... Too many lonely nights trolling the local dives, h Colleen...? June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Joel was Son of Ladan
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christ was speaking Greek? Most likely, as it was the common tongue used throughout the region, and had been since the time of Alexander the Great... Hebrew was reserved for the Temple and religious matters, Greek was what was used for everyday business; the language used at home by Jews of that era was probably a mix of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic...but when Jesus spoke to a group of people that would have included non-Jews, it would have made sense that He spoke to them in Greek and Aramaic, two languages that would have been understood by all listeners June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More Rat Face Lansky stories for Neuropsychotic
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So Meyer Ratface Lansky it was said was ADL man of year Said by whom? One of your cronies does NOT qualify as being a valid source, Colleen When I do not know..but if you find it let me know ... So you admit that you can't give a valid source for this allegation June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Joel was Son of Ladan
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rather like some of these Greek Letters used in Fraternal Organizations - but June I see you prefer the likes of a Jewish institution like one Meyer Lansky would have set up to the more cultured groups once organized by the Greek and Latin Scholars. I have no idea what you are talking about, nor how you can presume to know what organizations I may or may not like...but when it comes to 'institutions' you obviously have first-hand experience... Better get out your little book June and see if you can find out who these men were at this revision of the bible in late 1800 period? The King James Bible was written in the 1600s, not the 1800s... The only Aryan at the Last Supper was Jesus Christ. Aryan? On what do you base THAT absurd assertion? Since Jesus' mother, Mary, was a daughter of a Levitical priest, it's hardly likely that they were 'Aryan' Perhaps you are claiming that God the Father (TM) is an Aryan? Ju A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: From Car and Driver Feb. 2002 issue:
-Caveat Lector- The below sounds like Colleen's usual unique 'interpretation' of Bible Scripture June [Original Message] Subject: From Car and Driver Feb. 2002 issue: Most people assume WWJD stands for What Would Jesus Do? But the initials really stand for What Would Jesus Drive? One theory is He would drive a Plymouth because the Bible says God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury, but in Psalm 83, the Almighty clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo -- the passage urges the Lord to pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm. Perhaps God favors Dodge trucks because Moses' followers are warned not to go up a mountain until the Ram's horn sounds a long blast. Maybe it was a Honda -- in St. John's gospel, Christ tells the crowd, For I did not speak of my own Accord. Following the Master's lead, the Apostles were in one Accord, a car pool. Meanwhile, Moses rode an old Brit motorcycle, as evidenced by a Bible passage declaring that the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills. Brings new meaning to the song Jesus Built My Hot Rod, doesn' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Air Traffic Controllers Concerned Over Chemtrails
-Caveat Lector- http://www.rense.com/general20/cc.htm AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS CONCERNED OVER CHEMTRAILS By William Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3-4-2 VANCOUVER, Canada - As continuing chemtrail activity culminated in massive aerial spraying over Vancouver Island and Washington state yesterday- and broadening plumes once again fanned out to haze clear blue skies - Air Traffic Controllers at major airports across the United States expressed concern over the emissions constantly showing up on their radar screens. 'Chemtrails' is the term widely used to describe the brilliant white trails laid down by U.S. Air Force tanker planes photo-identified over North America and a dozen other allied nations in a process the U.S. Air Force calls 'aerial obscuration'. First confirmed by Airport Authority Terry Stewart at the Victoria International Airport on Dec. 8, 2000 as a 'joint Canada-U.S. military operation' and stridently denied by senior officers at Canadian Forces Base (where Stewart later told the Vancouver Courier he had received his information) - these multi-plane missions were verified in March, 2001 by the Air Traffic Control (ATC) manager for the northeastern seaboard of the United States. In three taped interviews with this reporter and veteran radio journalist S.T. Brendt, our 'Deep Sky' source said that he had been ordered to divert incoming commercial flights away from USAF tankers spraying s substance that showed up on ATC radars as a 'haze'. These radar returns are the signature of the fine aluminum particles found in laboratory tests of chemtrail-contaminated rain taken in Espanola, Ontario in the summer of 1999. The lab analysis found reflective quartz particles in the chemtrail fallout - and levels of aluminum FIVE TIMES higher than Ontario's maximum permissible health safety standards. After NDP Defense critic Gordon Earle presented a petition signed by 550 Espanola residents to Parliament in November, 1999 demanding an end to aerial spraying by commercial or military aircraft, foreign or domestic, which appeared to be making many people sick, DND eventually replied, It's not us. The aluminum found in chemtrails over Ontario matches the 10 micron aluminum oxide called for in a 1994 patent issued to Hughes Aircraft Company. 'Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming' refers to spreading highly reflective materials in the atmosphere to reflect enough incoming sunlight (1 to 2%) to slow rapidly-accelerating global warming. Edward Teller, father of the H-bomb, called for this billion dollar a year 'sky shield' program after computer simulations at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory showed it would prevent warming over 85% of the planet's surface despite a predicted doubling of heat-trapping C02 in the atmosphere over the next 40 years. But Ken Caldeira - the climate expert who ran the computer model - has warned that the stratospheric spraying of sunlight-reflecting chemicals could 'destroy the ozone layer' and pose human health risks. CONTROLLERS CONCERNED ACROSS U.S. Starting last December, on heavy 'spray days' Deep Sky began calling companion controllers across the country. Were they seeing the same thing on their scopes? What were they being told? In a fourth interview with reporter S.T. Brendt last week, Deep Sky stated that Air Traffic Controllers at Chicago's O'Hare airport, all three major airports in New York, Los Angeles LAX, San Francisco, Atlanta, Cleveland, San Diego, Washington DC's Dulles and Jacksonville, Florida were being ordered to route airliners beneath formations of Air Force tanker planes spraying something that regularly clouds their screens. Several smaller but busy airports at Westchester County in New York state and Manchester in New Hampshire were also contacted by this an increasingly concerned Deep Sky - and confirmed similar experiences. Every controller, without exception, is being told to divert traffic due to military exercises , and to bring in traffic lower because of experiments that may degrade their radars. The controllers at Cleveland's airport were surprised by the extent of obscuration on their radars. CHEMTRAILS SCIENTIST BREAKS SILENCE Ohio is the home of Wright-Patterson - the air force base working with electromagnetic and weather modification technology. A scientist working at Wright-Pat recently told reporter Bob Fitrakis that two different projects are being conducted. One involves cloud creation experiments to lessen the effect of global warming. Other chemtrails are connected with the military's extremely high-power Radio Frequency beam weapon in Alaska called HAARP. The scientist claims that the two most common substances being sprayed into chemtrails are aluminum oxide and barium stearate. When you see planes flying back and forth marking parallel lines, X-patterns and grids in a clear sky, that's aluminum oxide, according to the scientist. The goal is to create an artificial sunscreen to reflect solar radiation back
Re: [CTRL] Missing Nuke Devices?
-Caveat Lector- From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well it was estimated in this article that Israel had some 85 of these devices; WHAT article? Provide some valid documentation for this claim, please... Israel has been a member of the nuclear club -- e.g., FULL nuclear capability -- since the 1960s. In other words, Israel has 'the bomb'; since they have the capability of launching nuclear warheads, it doesn't make any sense that they would either buy or steal 'suitcase nukes' from the Russians...indeed, it doesn't even make sense that they would develop such devices on their own... BTW, both Pakistan and India are also members of the nuclear club, e.g. both have nuclear bombs...and the ability to manufacture 'suitcase nukes', if it so suited them to do so... and please do not tell me this Al Qaeda brought them here to USA. They did not have that capability - but Israel did. As did/do: 1. the U.S. 2. the states of the former Soviet Union 3. Great Britain 4. France 5. Red China 6. Pakistan 7. India 8. Iraq 9. South Africa And possibly Iran and Argentina (both were working on developing a full nuclear program in the 80s)... And it is ALL timed to a bible calendar... We're still waiting for you to provide some sort of PROOF that this so-called code works, by providing just one prediction BEFORE THE FACT... Strange that your 'bible calendar' didn't warn you of 9/11 before it happened, unless we are to believe that you DID know about it but chose not to warn anyone and let thousands of people die... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, you tell us: Why are you reading (I don't recite emails, by the way) absolutes when one single sole lone example is provided? I read over the exchanges by REVCOAL and others about what was popular when and decided to stay out of that one (for example, movies, books, TV shows, c about spies [the Cold War soldiers] were VEWY populah during the 50ies, 60ies, 70ies, 80ies)(so much for absolutes, eh?). First off, spy movies are very different from war movies; I was not talking about spy-genre movies, only about the recent spate of movies that are overtly 'war movies'... Secondly, I'd like you to name me ONE spy film made during the 1950s; the genre did not take off until the first James Bond film was made in the early 1960s -- during the Kennedy Administration (Kennedy was an avid fan of Ian Fleming's books, BTW)... The cartoon-like hijinks of Bond and his ilk are very different from stories involving soldiers fighting in the field... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] War films always do well when the right is in power. Welcome to the zeitgeist. Like *Saving Pvt Ryan*? Why do people hear absolutes, when none are uttered? Reread the above - it does not say war films ONLY do well when the right is in power. It says that war films always do well when the right is in power; implied in that statement is the allegation that war films do NOT do well when the left is in power... If you're saying that the statement doesn't say that war films only do well when the right is in power, then the original sentence makes no sense at all, since you're now saying that war films will do well when either the right or the left is in power, e.g., at any time no matter the political philosophies of those currently in power... Ju A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Creative Loafing Atlanta | NEWS | I SEE DEAD PEOPLE
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now remember the movie The Color Purple - Whoopie Goldberg spitting in a man's drink, The man was the character representing her father-in-law, who also happened to be black... So what's your point? Further Jesse Jackson who did this in real life has sickle cell anemia... Sickle cell anemia is not contagious. spitting in somebodies food or drink is acceptable conduct? Of course it's not, no matter the race of the person doing it. BTW in the neighborhood I grew up in, there were quite a few white boys who thought it was funny to spit into someone else's food or drink without them knowing, so it's a practice that obviously knows no color barrier... Of course none of this has one iota of relevance to the Georgia crematoria situation... So there was a little white girl, so pale before she died, beautiful blonde hair and blue eyes - and the mother had sent her ashes to this place where dolphins played for she loved dolphins. So are you claiming that there were absolutely NO deceased blacks who were sent to this crematoria and who subsequently were not cremated? Do you have ANY evidence that only caucasians were sent there? Imagine if this was your daughter and this animal had her body... I would be outraged irregardless of the race of the perpetator...it would be no less outrageous if the crematoria owner was white instead of black... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] War films always do well when the right is in power. Actually the facts don't bear that out... The first real boom (no pun intended) of war films was, naturally enough, while WWII was occuring; prior to the war one rarely finds a war film being made, and the few that were had a decidedly antiwar slant (yes, even the first film ever to win an Academy Award, the 1927 film Wings) The popularity of films showing war in what could be termed a 'favorable' light continued for a few years after WWII ended; these films were made during the Roosevelt and Truman administrations... By the time Eisenhower was elected, Hollywood had stopped cranking out war films; one rarely finds a war film that was made in the 1950s, as musicals, monster/sci fi, and detective/mystery/'film noir' themes were what was popular in that era... By the 20th anniversary of America's entrance into WWII Hollywood cashed in on the nostalgia by resurrecting the WWII-themed film, and found a receptive public for the next couple of years; this was during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations But when Nixon was elected in 1968 the Vietnam-weary public had soured on pro-war themed movies, and one only finds anti-war films like MASH and Catch-22 being made... And one didn't find Hollywood cranking out war films during the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations; the genre wasn't really resurrected until Saving Private Ryan, which was made during the Clinton administration... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, but a lot of films which are in the can and might not have made it to screen get retooled if an opportunity arises which might make them more profitable, such as a war. The thing is, none of these films were sitting around 'in the can'...Black Hawk Down, We Were Soldiers, etc., were all made within the past 2 to 3 years and were planned to be released in the fall of 2001 and winter/spring of 2002... War films have always been popular. No they haven't. At least, not films that show war in a favorable light; John Wayne had a hard time trying to make his pro-war films profitable in the late 1960s, because the viewing public was turning against the Vietnam War and wasn't in the mood to watch Wayne's simplistic jingoism... And war films were definitely NOT popular prior to WWII; and they waned in popularity in the 1950s...so no, war films are NOT always popular, just as westerns aren't always popular or musicals or mysteries or monster films; genres go thru phases of popularity, waxing in popularity in one era and waning in popularity in another... Your theory is an interesting one, and I tend to agree with you, having thought about it myself. But there hasn't been much evidence at all to suggest that these movies were all part of a master plot which resulted in the attack on the WTC and our subsequent war, other than the timeline. Well of course there wouldn't be overt evidence, other than it being mighty strange that Hollywood en masse decided in the late 1990s that pro-war themed films would suddenly become popular, and 'just happened' to start making these films so that their collective release would occur after 9/11/2001... Again, none of these films were 'in the can'...they are recent creations whose releases were planned to occur starting in mid-autumn of 2001, and it is THAT timing that is so suspicious... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- Why did they do this? Randall (Pearl Harbor) Wallace--producer, director and screen writer--could have easily ended the movie as he began it. The movie began with a short segment of a deadly ambush on a French column in the same valley ten years earlier; it should have ended with at least a passing reference to the dying that happened after Mel Gibson's character left the battlefield. The audience would have perhaps left the theater with a much different taste in their mouths, and a much more accurate understanding of the historical truth. However, apparently Mr. Wallace was more interested in a little flag waving, and wanted to send the audience home with a patriotic buzz. Doesn't anyone else find the timing of the release of all of these jingoistic flag-wavers a tad suspicious, considering that it takes at least 3 years to produce a movie? One wonders how/why Hollywood decided back in 1997/98 that 'patriotic' movies would suddenly become money-makers starting in late 2001... Jun A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] One wonders how/why Hollywood decided back in 1997/98 that 'patriotic' movies would suddenly become money-makers starting in late 2001... It sure seems that way. But they have always done this. It may take a year to write a script, but they have vaults full of all types of scripts. It probably doesn't take much for a movie factory to swing into action producing crappy jingoistic war movies to empty the pockets of brainless robots who respond to patriotism the way that Pavlov's dogs responded to the dinner bell. Well one has to question the premise that there were stacks of war-movie scripts just gathering dust in vaults; Hollywood as a rule is NOT innovative, and money slated to be invested in a proprosed film will more often go to tried-and-true story lines rather than something new... And war movies have NOT been money-makers in recent memory... So I doubt that there were gobs of war-themed scripts just sitting around, but even if their were, then one has to ask WHY scriptwriters suddenly decided to start writing scripts using a theme that at the time would not have seemed very promising in regards to getting the interest of investors who are only interested in making a handsome profit on the film they invest in... And even if war-themed scripts were sitting around just waiting to be made, it still takes a good 2 or more years to get a film made, from the time of drumming up enough investment money to getting all the principles signed to the actual filming to the post-production work of editing and scoring; in other words, long gone are the days where studios cranked out films in just a few weeks time...that went out with the 1930s... To put it more bluntly, none of these films were made AFTER Sept. 11, 2001, they were made well before that date, and one has to wonder WHY Hollywood suddenly decided that war films would be profitable, especially considering that not one of these films was ever scheduled to be released before Sept, 2001, but after that date It would seem that *someone* not only knew that such films would suddenly become popular (e.g., profitable), but also knew that they would be popular after September, 2001 I can't help but remember American Movie Channel's special a month or two ago regarding the cozy relationship that Hollywood has with the spook agencies, especially the CIA; the documentary showed how the CIA has actually been DICTATING to Hollywood what sort of films to make, and has been doing so since the 1950s... So perhaps 'The Agency' set the ball rolling 2 to 3 years ago in Hollywood to get these war films made; it also suggests that if this is so, then the CIA knew that *something* was going to happen in September 2001 that would make the release of these films starting in October of 2001 profitable... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
