Re: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Steve Schear
At 11:46 PM 4/28/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable protocol can probably be worked

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Phillip H. Zakas
there is no requirement for maintaining log files (unless specifically directed otherwise.) log files contain either marketing value or sysadmin value -- in both cases specific ip addr info isn't necessary to maintain that value (except in case of anomalous activity). one could collect info

Re: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Declan McCullagh
I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable protocol can probably be worked out. Would a court order instruct you to lie? If so,

Ashcroft's Wants A Billion More than Reno...

2001-04-29 Thread Matthew Gaylor
[Note from Matthew Gaylor: Here is a prime example of the Republican vision of doing more with less FY 2002 budget includes $1.057 billion in program increases. That's a billion more than Janet Reno spent. What total and complete government reduction frauds the Republicans are. Also note

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan If you

Re: Choate - Enough is Enough

2001-04-29 Thread Nomen Nescio
Will someone at lne.com finally decide that he qualifies as spam and start filtering? That simple act would improve the signal to noise ratio dramatically. Internet is a self-service establishment. Full-service has too much undesirable luggage attached to it. I haven't seen choatian posts

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Matthew Gaylor
Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan Which

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Declan McCullagh
Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan At 01:15 AM 4/29/01 -0400, Phillip H. Zakas wrote: there

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Declan McCullagh
I think Matt is a bit too quick to conclude a court will charge the operator with contempt and that the contempt charge will stick on appeal. Obviously judges have a lot of discretion, but it doesn't seem to me like the question is such a clear one if a system is set up in the proper

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:04 PM 4/29/2001 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an