I'd like to mention a blog I've been working on, called the Grateful
Dead Guide, which is a series of (mostly long) articles about the
early pre-'75 Dead There's different kinds of articles, mostly
discussing song histories reviewing performances.
In a way it's meant to be a continuation
It's claimed for these shows that on 4/25/69, The Velvet Underground
played a very long set and as a result the Dead only got to play one
set on this date. According to Ramsey the Dead did the same thing to
the Velvet Underground the next night.
I believe this is incorrect. The Dead opened on
Our tape dated 6/19/68 is actually from the 2/19/69 Fillmore West show.
There is both musical evidence (the style of Lovelight and Other One
clearly places them in early '69, not mid-'68), and written evidence
(the events of the show match a Rolling Stone writeup of 2/19/69).
Full details
The old half-hour tape of 3/12/66 is a mix: the Viola Lee is from 12/1/66,
Broken Heart and Midnight Hour are from 3/19/66.
(Trying to get early '66 shows straight with all the misdates
nondates is a disaster!) What surprises me is that 3/12 and 3/19
were acid-test shows, but the tapes sound
A few more songs from 10/5/70 have surfaced - Me My Uncle, Candyman,
Hard to Handle - but in disguise as '12/17/70' and part of '12/23/70'.
All of 12/17 and four songs from 12/23 are actually compilations of
10/4 and 10/5/70 (so the deadlists entries need correcting).
More details here:
24, 2011 5:03 PM
To: 'Caleb Kennedy' thehor...@earthlink.net,
deadlists@nemesis.CS.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: RE: 10/5/70 Winterland
To simplify that drawn out blog entry, this is what I've deciphered:
12/17/70 list
Hard To Handle - No evidence where it really belongs. Based on the confusion
could
Deadlists currently shows Empty Pages being played on both 8/23 and
8/24/71. I've found this is incorrect. Though it shows up at the end
of our 8/23 audience tape, it was not played on that date.
Charlie Miller has posted on etree (and his setlist is confirmed by
David Lemieux from the vault
This is perhaps more a question for Charlie Miller - but I noticed
that 5/8/70 is one of the shows which still has no setlist entered in
deadlists. [And, ahem, 9/3/67 is another one that comes to mind...]
I've always wondered if the taper recorded the whole show, but only
the highlights section
I noticed long ago that Latvala listed the 11/19/66 Fillmore tape as
3/17/67 Winterland. (It was noted in the Deadheads Taping Addendum
book.)
I'm still not sure what to make of that. Perhaps the 3/17/67 master is
in the Vault Latvala was right. Or perhaps he was repeating a
mislabel from when he
Quite a surprise to hear from Jeff Linton - I hope his tape was good
(and genuine)! Have to wonder how many other ancient AUDs are still
hiding in the closets of old-time tapers who just never connected to
the GD trading scene... We've had a couple surprises in recent years,
like the new 6/17/72
That makes sense that he'd tape over part of it... He must have been
pretty horrified when he played back the tapes after the show...
I wish Weir had told him to take a few steps back!
Thanks for updating this fine list!
I have a few queries/corrections to help make it more perfect...some
major, some minor.
In chronological order:
2/22/68 - Still listed as missing from circulation, but as Deadlists
notes, Lemieux included it on the Taper's Section, where it can be
listened
Not necessarily. TC did some work in the studio with the GD before
joining the band in December 1968.
Yes, but that was before St Stephen had been written, let alone paired
with the Eleven. This rehearsal could not be from, say, March or June '68.
Not only am I sure this is TC and not Pigpen,
That's the same recording - starts with Garcia singing a short Lovelight.
(Clue #1 that there's no Pigpen onhand.)
Same tape as:
http://archive.org/details/gd1968-11-06.StudioRehearsals.GEMS.82393.flac16
It's floated around under different labels; my copy is dated 12-6-68.
-Original
Some info from David Lemieux:
That November 68 tape is not in the vault as far as I know, and I went
through everything from Fall of 1968 a few years ago. I know the
session, though, and am quite certain it's TC learning the material.
I'll add that a date of November (or earlier) wouldn't
this one may be arguable, but it seems evident to me after seeing
video and audio, and some interviews, that the Stephen opener is not
cut on the recordings, but was actually played that way - they just
abandoned it early on.
Pardon the delayed response. I also think they just bailed, as on the
I think the confirmations that this is TC are clinching. It's a
little-practiced TC, though - this tape seems to mark the first time
he ever played Dark Star or St Stephen, since the band has to show him
the chords. (They're unmistakably showing him several parts.) He
doesn't seem too comfortable
That is a long message!
My old copy was dated 12/10/68, which struck me as being too
late. Perhaps people felt a December date was more fitting since TC
had joined the band by then; nonetheless I think a November rehearsal
makes more sense, given what we're hearing. (If anything, I think this
is
Jim Powell made an interesting comment:
Pigpen got his B-3 back before long. He kept contributing keyboards
alongside T.C. and later alongside Keith. At my first show -- Winterland
10/25/69 -- the Dead's stage set-up was remarkable for the two drum-sets
flanked by two keyboards, one probably a
Maybe the other keyboard belonged to the Sons of Champlin, who opened.
Hadn't thought of this, but it's the most likely explanation. I believe
the Sons used a Hammond B-3?
Listening to the surviving portions of 10/24 and 10/26, there is also
no trace of Pigpen on organ - just TC on his Vox.
Back in 2009, Charlie Miller circulated a lone Midnight Hour from an
unknown show:
http://archive.org/details/gd1968-00-00.sbd.miller.97671.flac16
He wrote:
This Midnight Hour was on the end of Rob Eaton's 2/14/70 Dat, which
he got from Dick Latvala. It was labeled as the encore. Obviously,
The deadessays acoustic sets post is a little out of date -
along with the JGMF post comments, this post has some discussion about 8/5/70:
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2011/03/hartbeats-july-1970.html
A lot to read, so these are the main points. (My conclusions, so
others may disagree.)
1.
I'm glad to see someone else say that this tape can't be the Golden
Hall has to be a Bay Area venue!
The Euphoria Ballroom is a good guess; that would solve a few
problems. The audience noise does sound very similar.
There are a few mix differences, though.
On the 7/14 tape, each guitar is on
They repeated both FOTD and Candyman on 5/15/70.
6/24/70 is another date where they repeated a couple acoustic songs
in the early late shows. Better yet, Attics was played in both
the early acoustic late electric shows.
Nonetheless, those were two separate shows in one day, whereas 7/16/70
Yes, there was a little discussion on deadlists back in December 2011.
Though the circulating copies of the shows sound very different, I
compared all the common songs and thought they were all played very
similarly - many of the songs played in common are nearly identical,
except for the Same
The deadlists entry for 2/24/73 has an error; it says, The SBD
contains Truckin' Nobody's Jam breaks off in the middle of
Nobody's Jam. This SBD snippet is actually of the post-Eyes jam,
leading into Sugar Magnolia. (Sugar Magnolia is missing from the
Archive copy, which cuts off just at that
I don't know how it came to be mislabeled, but apparently that snippet
came from a Grateful Dead Hour broadcast. Since the Sugar Magnolia
after the jam was left off, it was divorced from any context, but it's
now certain this jam came after Eyes. (Not only does the full Vault
reel show this, but
Thanks for the info. I have two concerns, though:
- As far as I know there has never actually been a Truckin'Nobody's
Fault SBD segment in circulation from this show, and that seems to be
purely a mislabel. The set-II SBD segment we have is just the bass
soloFeelin' Groovy jam leading up to Sugar
Last week, I found a listing of a video of the 5/3/70 show in the
Wesleyan library media collection. I doubted that it was for
real. Fortunately, a local correspondent went to see the video, and
brought back a surprising report:
It's a black white film, about 65 minutes long, documenting many
One more correction -
Deadlists currently says, This tape was mastered on a Uher
reel-to-reel machine by sociology professor Charles Lemert.
This isn't so. A Wesleyan librarian writes, I did contact the
Sociology professor, Charles Lemert, who supposedly owned the Uher
recorder used, and was
One more correction -
A commenter's made a good case that the 5/9 SBD tape is actually
a very good AUD, with the taper up close to the stage PA -
similar to the 4/12/70 AUD, which is also near-soundboard-like.
In that case it may make sense why the tape ends so early, as
the taper probably
It's clearly a typo - it was entered as 3/17/66 when 3/17/67 was meant.
The show can't possibly be from any earlier than late '66.
I'm surprised the date actually got changed in deadlists, since
it's been in dispute for some time has been debated on
deadlists recently; Latvala held that this
It's very rare that any of the opening bands Bear taped got into
circulation...almost never, I think, except for a couple official releases.
These people have his surviving non-Dead tapes, so they may have those
Sanpaku shows:
http://www.owsleystanleyfoundation.org/
A complete list of timings for the Other One has been posted here:
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-other-one-timings-guest-post.html
This fills in or corrects numerous Deadlists entries.
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