Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 06, 2023 at 10:24:52AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 05/05/2023 20:04, zithro wrote: > > journalctl after GUI LOGOFF > > I do not see obvious problems. What might be inspected more closely: > > > May 05 14:09:14 debzit systemd[711]: Stopping D-Bus User Message Bus... >

Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye

2023-05-05 Thread David Wright
On Fri 05 May 2023 at 14:35:08 (+), Bonno Bloksma wrote: > As I was trying to find out what would work and if I was doing something > wrong getting rid of old kernels > > After upgrading a new kernel for a week I will do apt autoremove to get rid > of the old kernel(s). And this will

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread David Wright
On Fri 05 May 2023 at 13:59:37 (+0200), zithro wrote: > On 05 May 2023 07:33, David wrote: > > On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 19:07, zithro wrote: > > > > > this is a rather strange problem, I hope the title is explicit enough. > > > > Subject: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections > >

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread David Wright
On Sat 06 May 2023 at 09:57:30 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 05/05/2023 10:30, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 05 May 2023 at 09:13:04 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > > > On 05/05/2023 02:07, zithro wrote: > > > > 2. using VNC or rdesktop, I then log on to X on the machine, do > > > > some stuff,

Re: I installed 11.6

2023-05-05 Thread Byung-Hee HWANG
writes: > On Fri, 5 May 2023 23:27:45 -0400 > Maureen L Thomas wrote: > >> that I hate upgrading because they change everything > > (...) Your window manager and > other similar settings are stored in your home directory. +1; Upgrading don't touch user's settings. Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: I installed 11.6

2023-05-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 5 May 2023 23:27:45 -0400 Maureen L Thomas wrote: > I installed debian 11.6 and updated the needed packages to 11.7. > Does anyone know which utility changes the window settings. That would depend on which window manager|desktop you have installed. On the off chance that it is XFCE,

Re: I installed 11.6

2023-05-05 Thread paulf
On Fri, 5 May 2023 23:27:45 -0400 Maureen L Thomas wrote: > I installed debian 11.6 and updated the needed packages to 11.7. I > must say that I hate upgrading because they change everything and I > cannot find the utilities I need to make this the way I want it. > Does anyone know which utility

I installed 11.6

2023-05-05 Thread Maureen L Thomas
I installed debian 11.6 and updated the needed packages to 11.7. I must say that I hate upgrading because they change everything and I cannot find the utilities I need to make this the way I want it.  Does anyone know which utility changes the window settings. Like the X in the upper right

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/05/2023 20:04, zithro wrote: journalctl after GUI LOGOFF I do not see obvious problems. What might be inspected more closely: May 05 14:09:14 debzit systemd[711]: Stopping D-Bus User Message Bus... ^^^ If it is the bus

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/05/2023 10:30, David Wright wrote: On Fri 05 May 2023 at 09:13:04 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: On 05/05/2023 02:07, zithro wrote: 2. using VNC or rdesktop, I then log on to X on the machine, do some stuff, then hit "log off" from the desktop menu. Immediately, ALL the previous SSH

Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

2023-05-05 Thread gene heskett
On 5/5/23 18:51, Brian wrote: On Fri 05 May 2023 at 16:32:36 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 5/5/23 13:45, Brian wrote: [...] * An output from 'lpoptions -p HLL2320D_coyote -l' that indicates a broken system. this is bad? gene@coyote:~$ lpoptions -p HLL2320D_coyote -l

Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

2023-05-05 Thread gene heskett
On 5/5/23 13:45, Brian wrote: On Fri 05 May 2023 at 11:40:21 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 5/5/23 10:08, Brian wrote: On Thu 04 May 2023 at 15:57:49 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 5/4/23 15:43, zithro wrote: On 01 May 2023 14:53, Brian wrote: [...] Second question: is that possible to

Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

2023-05-05 Thread Brian
On Fri 05 May 2023 at 11:40:21 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 5/5/23 10:08, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 04 May 2023 at 15:57:49 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > On 5/4/23 15:43, zithro wrote: > > > > On 01 May 2023 14:53, Brian wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > Second question: is that

Re : [Installation][debian][Thomson N17csl512] : Démarrage impossible

2023-05-05 Thread k6dedijon
Bonjour, J’essayerais une live. Car si elle ne démarre pas, c'est qu'il faut régler le BIOS de la carte mère. En effet, je constate que l'UEFI pose des problèmes avec les distros Linux. Mais, j'arrive à trouver les bons réglages après avoir essayé diverses options. N'étant pas spécialiste, j' vais

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/05/2023 18:58, zithro wrote: # loginctl list-sessions SESSION  UID USER    SEAT  TTY     111 1000 zithro     112 1000 zithro     141 1000 zithro    pts/0 I do not see anything suspicious. I suppose, dbus-user-session hypothesis by David may be more productive. Perhaps you may

RE: bind9 and dns forward

2023-05-05 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, > In fact you don't resolv at all. Can you provide: > dig einsccmdp-01.tio.nl +trace +cd - linbobo:~# dig einsccmdp-01.tio.nl +trace +cd ; <<>> DiG 9.16.37-Debian <<>> einsccmdp-01.tio.nl +trace +cd ;; global options: +cmd . 430791 IN

Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages

2023-05-05 Thread Lee
On 5/4/23, zithro wrote: > On 04 May 2023 22:11, Dan Ritter wrote: >> zithro wrote: >>> >>> Well, I'm currently using "Greybird-dark" (so not the default). >>> But it seems there's no GUI to alter the theme itself. >> >> >> Right, you have to select a different theme. >> >> Or write your own. >>

Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye

2023-05-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 02:35:08PM +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > Just created a snapshot of my servers and then did: > apt autoremove > apt purge > apt clean > and I still have a working system so it will not just get rid of all > installed packages. :-) > But... I still also have all those

Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 03 May 2023 18:22, Curt wrote: You really don't have to tread dangerous waters (or rather wade into them, unless your Jesus) because you can simulate without root privileges. curty@einstein:~$ apt -s purge NOTE: This is only a simulation! Quick nitpicking. Even if "-s" is easily remembered

Re: repeat of previous question that has gone unansweredseveraltimes.

2023-05-05 Thread gene heskett
On 5/5/23 10:08, Brian wrote: On Thu 04 May 2023 at 15:57:49 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 5/4/23 15:43, zithro wrote: On 01 May 2023 14:53, Brian wrote: [...] Second question: is that possible to use CUPS/printing without avahi ? Absolutely, up to bullseye for both buster and bullseye,

Re: processing /etc/sysctl.d

2023-05-05 Thread Lee
On 5/4/23, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 01:22:40PM -0400, Lee wrote: >> OK.. I'll try to figure out how to modify whatever in /etc/NetworkManager > > I've been told that Network Manager will ignore any interfaces that > are defined in /etc/network/interfaces. So the correct way

Re: Problème pour servir à un exécutable sa dépendance à libc.so.6 (debian 11)

2023-05-05 Thread Hugues Larrive
Bonjour, --- Original Message --- Le mercredi 3 mai 2023 à 22:33, RogerT a écrit : > > > je reformule : il y a des problèmes sur aarch64 INEXISTANTS sur x86_64 > > > Le 3 mai 2023 à 20:09, RogerT roger.tar...@free.fr a écrit : > > > > Ça a compilé. > > Ça tourne sur architecture aarch64.

Re: Wi-Fi broken on Dell E6520, Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN, Debian 11.7 Xfce

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 15:46, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 5 May 2023 12:29:53 +0200 zithro wrote: That would be nice for them to tell you what THEY consider a valid MAC addr, as I don't think Debian produces MACs with z or x in it ... Maybe they check against a valid manufacturer (which is the 1st

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 16:10, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I have now full logs of before/after GUI logon/logoff, I posted them in the other post. Will try to make sense of it with this lead ... after a needed break ^^ I saved that for a look during weekend, now I'm supposed to fix an update of... forget

RE: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye

2023-05-05 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, >> I expect that, by context, running >> apt purge >> without the restriction specifying particular package, will apply apt >> purge to all installed packages, according to what purge does, in >> relation to packages. > > But as "apt purge " remove this package and remove configuration for

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 03:26:12PM +0200, zithro wrote: > On 05 May 2023 14:11, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > No DE, just a window manager (fvwm2). > > Isn't that fluxbox ? That's the GUI I used on Slackware. > Simple, lean, efficient ! No, quite a bit older. Fluxbox 2000-ish, fvwm

Re: Debian Bookworm RC 1 installer- a Bug?

2023-05-05 Thread Peter Ehlert
On 4/23/23 05:52, Peter Ehlert wrote: On 4/17/23 21:43, David Wright wrote: On Mon 17 Apr 2023 at 08:47:30 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote: On 4/16/23 09:29, David Wright wrote: On Sun 16 Apr 2023 at 07:19:18 (-0700), Peter Ehlert wrote: On 4/9/23 08:57, David Wright wrote: On Wed 05 Apr

Re: Wi-Fi broken on Dell E6520, Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN, Debian 11.7 Xfce

2023-05-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 5 May 2023 12:29:53 +0200 zithro wrote: > That would be nice for them to tell you what THEY consider a valid > MAC addr, as I don't think Debian produces MACs with z or x in it ... > Maybe they check against a valid manufacturer (which is the 1st half > of the MAC addr, iirc called OUI)

Re: date de sortie prévisionnelle de Debian 12 Bookworm: le 10 juin 2023

2023-05-05 Thread didier gaumet
Le 05/05/2023 à 14:00, Erwann Le Bras a écrit : [...] * si c'est le système qui démarre X et ensuite tu t'identifies sur la mire X11, c'est forcément root le propriétaire. [...] En fait ton exemple illustre le fait que lightdm, bien que pas si vieux, a une gestion à l'ancienne et ne

Re: Wi-Fi broken on Dell E6520, Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN, Debian 11.7 Xfce

2023-05-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 4 May 2023 21:08:07 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > A further problem -- Debian Well, it isn't really Debian, it's Network Manager. > is changing the MAC address of the Wi-Fi > adapter ("MAC address spoofing", a security "feature") to MAC > addresses This is a security feature for

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 14:11, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 01:58:55PM +0200, zithro wrote: On 05 May 2023 06:32, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: dbus is a candidate. Let me explain: I have a funny setup -- no systemd, no dbus (still, Debian buster, and X). I'm on bullseye, I know how to

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
So, previous post was BEFORE logging in into GUI via VNC. Now, I have outputs from after GUI LOGIN and after GUI LOGOFF. I've removed the maximum of useless lines (audio, GUI apps, gvfs stuff, etc), but tried to keep the most about systemd and dbus, as I'm clueless about what you wanna read ...

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 01:58:55PM +0200, zithro wrote: > On 05 May 2023 06:32, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > dbus is a candidate. Let me explain: I have a funny setup -- no systemd, > > no dbus (still, Debian buster, and X). > > I'm on bullseye, I know how to switch back to old init, but have no

Re: date de sortie prévisionnelle de Debian 12 Bookworm: le 10 juin 2023

2023-05-05 Thread Erwann Le Bras
bonjour Pour moi, ça dépend : * si tu t'identifie sur la console texte pour lancer l'interface graphique là oui, elle est lancée avec ton ID * si c'est le système qui démarre X et ensuite tu t'identifies sur la mire X11, c'est forcément root le propriétaire. Chez moi j'ai : root   

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 07:33, David wrote: On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 19:07, zithro wrote: this is a rather strange problem, I hope the title is explicit enough. Subject: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X Yeah, I meant title==subject, I was hoping

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 06:32, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: dbus is a candidate. Let me explain: I have a funny setup -- no systemd, no dbus (still, Debian buster, and X). I'm on bullseye, I know how to switch back to old init, but have no clue about Dbus (kinda a Linux-GUI-with-systemd noob). Which DE/DM

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 05:30, David Wright wrote: Isn't it this issue? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19023885 Looks like it, yes ! I'm afraid I can't replicate the problem, though, as I don't have a "log off" button or menu entry. That might suggest that the problem is in something I don't

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 04:13, Max Nikulin wrote: On 05/05/2023 02:07, zithro wrote: 2. using VNC or rdesktop, I then log on to X on the machine, do some stuff, then hit "log off" from the desktop menu. Immediately, ALL the previous SSH connections started in step 1 get closed, hence all the shells and

Re: (deb-cat) Reemplaçar fitxer de paquet, no repetible

2023-05-05 Thread Alex Muntada
Hola, Narcis: > què puc fer per a personalitzar un fitxer de logrotate sense > que me'l trepitgi una actualització? Utilitza una extensió tabú del logrotate: tabooext [+] list The current taboo extension list is changed (see the include directive for information on the

Re: Wi-Fi broken on Dell E6520, Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN, Debian 11.7 Xfce

2023-05-05 Thread David Christensen
On 5/5/23 03:25, zithro wrote: On 05 May 2023 04:52, David Christensen wrote: I was going to surf eBay and find another Wi-Fi card, but then I had one last idea -- double-checking the the CMOS/NVRAM settings via Setup.  I cut the settings down to the bare minimum for Wi-Fi:    Settings    +

Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 12:20, dmacdoug wrote: Well, it appears to me that all Mozilla products have the same problem and for Firefox there is a theme add on named "Custom Scollbars" made by Wesley Branton which allows to change the color of the scrollbar and to make limited changes to the width but does

Re: Wi-Fi broken on Dell E6520, Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN, Debian 11.7 Xfce

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 06:08, David Christensen wrote: On 5/4/23 19:52, David Christensen wrote: That said, Wi-Fi does not work with my Ubuiquitti Networks UniFi setup -- it doesn't like the MAC address. A further problem -- Debian is changing the MAC address of the Wi-Fi adapter ("MAC address

Re: Wi-Fi broken on Dell E6520, Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN, Debian 11.7 Xfce

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 04:52, David Christensen wrote: I was going to surf eBay and find another Wi-Fi card, but then I had one last idea -- double-checking the the CMOS/NVRAM settings via Setup.  I cut the settings down to the bare minimum for Wi-Fi:   Settings   + Wireless     + Wireless Switch

Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages

2023-05-05 Thread dmacdoug
On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 10:50:27PM +0200, zithro wrote: > On 04 May 2023 22:10, Dan Ritter wrote: > > zithro wrote: > > > On 04 May 2023 21:38, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > It's not hidden, it's part of the theme. You can install and > > > > change themes -- look for packages with the keyword gtk

Re: archive files

2023-05-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 12:07:09AM -0700, David Christensen wrote: How does cpio(1) compare? How about dump(8) and restore(8)? I'd note that these (like tar) are both very old tools, and there are many more modern ones perhaps worthy of consideration too. (which; is left as an exercise for the

Re: Need some advice please.

2023-05-05 Thread zithro
On 05 May 2023 08:29, Michel Verdier wrote: Le 5 mai 2023 zithro a écrit : If on USB/external drive, preferably format the drive so it can be read on multiple OS. So prefer FAT32/exFAT, and avoid ext4, ZFS, NTFS, APFS, etc. As I don't need to restore debian on windows I choose to format my

Re: Re : Retour de veille

2023-05-05 Thread Yannick
Le 02/05/2023 à 14:02, Hugues Larrive a écrit : Bonjour, Au démarrage ça dépend du gestionnaire de connexion, par exemple pour lightdm c'est dans /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf : autologin-user=nom_d'utilisateur. Pour slim c'est dans /etc/slim.conf : default_user nom_d'utilisateur auto_login yes

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-05-05 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > 1. I am not a German > 2. This is not a joke > 3. At least one of 1, 2, or 3 is false So the most humorous guess would be that you are a german philosopher. Have a nice day :) Thomas

Nettoyage du spam : avril 2023

2023-05-05 Thread Jean-Pierre Giraud
Bonjour, Comme nous sommes en mai, il est désormais possible de traiter les archives du mois de avril 2023 des listes francophones. N'oubliez bien sûr pas d'ajouter votre nom à la liste des relecteurs pour que nous sachions où nous en sommes. Détails du processus de nettoyage du spam sur :

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-05-05 Thread to...@tuxteam.de
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 09:02:20AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > > > Good morning > > The Germans like to do jokes. 1. I am not a German 2. This is not a joke 3. At least one of 1, 2, or 3 is false Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

(deb-cat) Reemplaçar fitxer de paquet, no repetible

2023-05-05 Thread Narcis Garcia
Bon dia, Hi ha un tema pendent a la distribució Debian, que afecta a multitud de paquets: Els fitxers de configuració personalitzables no haurien de venir MAI inclosos en el paquet, sinó que només la versió dels valors predeterminats. Això hauria de formar part de la «Debian Policy». Per

AW: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-05-05 Thread Schwibinger Michael
Good morning The Germans like to do jokes. Thank You Regards Sophie Von: to...@tuxteam.de Gesendet: Dienstag, 02. Mai 2023 09:40 Bis: debian-user@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

Re: Email bodies not show anymore in Evolution Email

2023-05-05 Thread didier gaumet
Le 04/05/2023 à 20:21, Jim Popovitch a écrit : [...] Excellent job Debian team! +1 Great. Hats down to Debian folks :-)

archive files

2023-05-05 Thread David Christensen
On 5/4/23 23:46, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 5/5/23 14:21, David Christensen wrote: If the file is a some kind of archive (e.g. tar(1)), both the data and metadata are inside the tarball and the full-circle results should be identical. Not quite. The file times are usually changed in the un-tar

Re: Proper use of checkrestart

2023-05-05 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 5:38 AM Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > I have a script that fully updates a machine each night around 4:00 > AM. It also reboots the machine as required. > > I noticed Debian has checkrestart. The man page is at >

Re: Need some advice please.

2023-05-05 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 5/5/23 14:21, David Christensen wrote: If the file is a some kind of archive (e.g. tar(1)), both the data and metadata are inside the tarball and the full-circle results should be identical. Not quite. The file times are usually changed in the un-tar operation. You can usually

Re: Need some advice please.

2023-05-05 Thread Michel Verdier
Le 5 mai 2023 zithro a écrit : > If on USB/external drive, preferably format the drive so it can be read on > multiple OS. So prefer FAT32/exFAT, and avoid ext4, ZFS, NTFS, APFS, etc. As I don't need to restore debian on windows I choose to format my external drive with xfs on encrypted

Re: Need some advice please.

2023-05-05 Thread David Christensen
On 5/4/23 18:37, zithro wrote: The easiest and fastest way to backup is on DVD/USB/external drive, so that you can restore offline. ... If on USB/external drive, preferably format the drive so it can be read on multiple OS. So prefer FAT32/exFAT, and avoid ext4, ZFS, NTFS, APFS, etc. I do