Re: NOT ALL of the packages are in CD
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 12:30:23PM -0700, belahcene abdelkader wrote: I checked all the 13 CD of the sarge version, I didn't find the lyx package, but I lyx exists in the sarge (testing) in editor section. does that mean that NOT ALL of the packages of the sarge, are in the 13 CD's. Are you sure? It seems to be on i386 CD 3. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 08:33:47AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Frank Küster writes: But this would have the consequence that all those files would have to be created by dpkg, and clutter /etc. No files would be created that were not subsequently filled in by a maintainer script. I don't know where you get the idea that that any files, empty or otherwise, would be created that are not created now. I had understood from John's question that he wanted dpkg just to ignore empty files, except that it registers them for the package. You misunderstood. ...change dpkg... I proposed no changes whatsoever to dpkg. What were you planning to do on upgrade? Normally, dpkg would set the files back to empty. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 06:17:49AM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: John Hasler wrote: That is precisely what we are talking about. What you said was We are talking about files the contents of which are created by maintainer scripts. My point was that it doesn't matter what creates it (the package or the maintainer script), it's counter-intuitive that you can't track back from a file to its related application. If the package creates it (i.e., it's shipped in the .deb), then 'dpkg -S' will tell you about it; so you and John are in fact talking about exactly the same thing. John is just drilling down and trying to work out ways of implementing it. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creative Commons Metamorphosis
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 12:51:56PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: There's a new style of licence happening at Creative Commons. It is typified by the policy of attempting to meld closed and open source, particularly in relation to software. Is this where this project was heading all along? This same proposition is one that has been previously touted by such entities as Microsoft. What does this have to do with debian-devel? debian-devel mailing list Development of Debian Discussion about technical development topics. Take it to debian-legal or something. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - trivial programming language
Civilized societies should outlaw absurdly-drawn-out coding style arguments on public mailing lists, especially when I have to attempt to read them over a tediously slow ssh connection from a conference in a different hemisphere. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning in Sage
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 01:17:54PM -0700, Paul Maser wrote: I'm trying to do a net-install of Sarge on an old ALR 8300 3 disc Megaraid and when I get to partitioning it only gives me a choice of raid, LVM or swap. It never offers ext2 or ext3. Do I choose one of the three offered or is this a bug? Please report this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, at the moment, comments about the installer on -user, bug reports or otherwise, stand a good chance of getting lost in the noise from the point of view of people experienced enough to answer. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude trap: 'hold' directives not honored.
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 11:48:39PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 01:03:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: There are apparently three package selection databases. These should be either unified or cross-validated: - dpkg - apt - aptitude Anyone else running into this? Karsten, don't bother. Every time someone brings up the fact that aptitude, everyone's darling perfect child, does its own damn thing and re-implements the status file... they get told to go away. What's even *better* is that command-line aptitude (insert random quote about how aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get, which it isn't) and ncurses aptitude, *don't have the same behavior!* Ncurses aptitude *does* honor the status file. Sometimes. I'm sorry, but dpkg is the *fundamental* tool. If you don't honor its interfaces, you are *broken*. 'Nuff said. Desired state of packages should never have been in /var/lib/dpkg/status in the first place. (And yes, I've had this discussion with the original author, who agreed ...) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question re Debian versions
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 04:06:30PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Michael D Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004:03:18:20:05:40-0800] scribed: Your best bet if you don't want to reinstall is watch closely after sarge goes stable for a new unstable fork off to testing, and move when they fork. How, exactly, does one go about ``watch closely ... for a new unstable fork off to testing'' ??? I've seen reference to this, but I do not know how one can know when that situation obtains. After sarge goes stable, a couple months after that a new testing branch will fork off of unstable. Not a couple of months; immediately. Actually, it won't fork off unstable either; it'll start as a copy of stable and progress smoothly on from there taking packages from unstable as they're ready, the same way it did last time. Sometime before Dec 31, 2003 if people get moving on it was the last I heard. 2003? The last time people were trying to put a date on the release said Dec 31, 2003. Only correct if you don't read between the lines on -devel-announce. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/03/msg00026.html It's true that I (quite deliberately) didn't put an explicit date on that to avoid getting quoted too widely on Slashdot or whatever and being held to the date, and that the social contract stuff has at best pushed it back by a month or two; but anyone reading the message should be able to work out what it meant. Cheers, -- Colin Watson, Debian Release Assistant [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sox help needed
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 04:25:34PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 10:02:00AM -0400, Jeff Elkins wrote:
I'm trying to automate this:
#!/bin/sh
for i in *; do
if test -f $i; then
fi
done
which works, but gives me: filename.mp3.wav - anyway to end up with
filename.wav?
Yes:
mpg123 -s $i | sox -t raw -r 44100 -s -w -c 1 - \
-t wav -r 8000 -w -c 1 `echo $i | sed -e 's/mp3$/wav/'`
Quoted correctly:
`echo $i | sed -e 's/mp3$/wav/'`
A much simpler version of that if you know that $i ends with .mp3 is:
${i%.mp3}.wav
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Re: hid module missing in 2.6.6
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 06:08:14PM +0300, David Baron wrote: System seems to run OK without it. Forget it, or is it really needed somewhere? It seems to have been renamed to usbhid. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:38:33PM -0700, Ping Wing wrote: Matthias Czapla wrote: Can I safely use woody or sarge instead of stable and testing for the distribution specifier in /etc/apt/sources.list or can this cause trouble? Im afraid of an unwanted upgrade to a new distribution when testing suddenly becomes stable. yes you can and imho it makse very much sense. as using 'stable' makes no sense at all imho. frankly, the fact that debian puts 'stable' in source.list automatically is littlebit scaring. For example when sarge is new stable one day, and im doing another (semi-)automatic apt-get upgrade, theres good chance that this messes some things up. It's quite deliberate. Some day, woody won't be security-supported any more. for example, lately i had woody running , nice and clean. Now I put 'sarge' everywhere in source.list and did 'apt-get update apt-get -u dist-upgrade'. Now, packages did'nt get upgraded, but most of the packages were removed. And I had only woody's official packages installed, no selfmade. Did you file a bug, or report this anywhere? there are more things in debian that are weird, like most /etc/init.d/ scripts that doesnt give you any feedback (at least not to stdout) Every Debian init.d script that starts a daemon says something like Starting web server: apache. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 03:13:23AM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 06:22:04PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:54, Matthias Czapla wrote: Can I safely use woody or sarge instead of stable and testing for the distribution specifier in /etc/apt/sources.list or can this cause trouble? Im afraid of an unwanted upgrade to a new distribution when testing suddenly becomes stable. Sarge *SUDDENLY* becoming Stable. Don't make me laugh. We aren't even into freeze yet. When that happens, then you should maybe worry about that. Ok, please forget _why_ I ask. The question remains - are the release codenames equivalent to stable/testing in sources.list? I dont know but I could imagine that the distribution specifier is just being used to build up a pathname on the http/ftp server. So the question would be if there is a policy that debian mirrors are required to provide links/directories named after the release or if they only need to have stable, testing and unstable? You can safely use the codenames. And Greg, please think of machines running for a long time and upgrading automatically through a cronjob or something. I *strongly* recommend against upgrading by cron job. Just don't do it; there are lots of ways it can break. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with debootstrap and stable or sarge
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 04:43:43PM -0400, David T-G wrote: For my first try, I pulled down 'stable' to the tune of about 1.5G and tried debootstrap --arch i386 --verbose stable /mnt/suse81 file:///mnt/empty/ (and also 'woody' in place of 'stable') but it puked on adduser. Can you show exactly what happened, rather than just saying it puked? Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge testing 2.6 boot problems
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 07:52:02PM -0400, John Kerr Anderson wrote: I've tried installing a custom modularised kernel version 2.6.5 on Debian Sarge testing. I'm using ext3 filesystem and compiled it directly into the kernel along with ReiserFS sypport (I read you need it in order to avoid an initrd image). Everytime it tries to boot the new kernel I get the following error: VFS: Cannot open root device 301 on unknown-block(3,1) Please append a correct root boot option Kernel panic: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1) This sounds like you forgot to compile in IDE support, or whatever's needed for your disk. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with debootstrap and stable or sarge
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 09:55:59AM -0400, David T-G wrote: ...and then Colin Watson said... % % On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 04:43:43PM -0400, David T-G wrote: % %debootstrap --arch i386 --verbose stable /mnt/suse81 file:///mnt/empty/ % % (and also 'woody' in place of 'stable') but it puked on adduser. % % Can you show exactly what happened, rather than just saying it puked? Sure; sorry. I forgot that I had written this whole thing once before but *not* sent it. It's only fair to give you all of the info now :-) hp:~ # debootstrap --arch i386 --verbose sarge /mnt/suse81 file:///mnt/empty/ I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages I: Checking adduser... I: Checking apt... I: Checking apt-utils... I: Checking aptitude... I: Checking at... I: Checking base-config... I: Checking base-files... I: Checking base-passwd... ... I: Checking whiptail... I: Checking zlib1g... I: Retrieving adduser E: Couldn't download adduser Hm, so, do you have the files in the right place? Can you check that the Filename: field for adduser in /mnt/empty/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz is a valid relative path from /mnt/empty to the adduser .deb? In other words, /mnt/empty/pool/main/a/adduser/adduser_3.53_all.deb should exist. Also, make sure you have wget installed. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question re Debian versions
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 09:32:59AM -0400, Kenneth Jacker wrote: myh On 2004-03-19, Monique Y. Herman wrote: myh Also, look at security updates. Updates are provided for myh stable and unstable almost immediately. Then those using myh testing distributions must wait the allotted amount of time myh before receiving the unstable update in testing. How long of a wait? If I understand this correctly, users of 'testing' (currently 'sarge') can do *nothing* when new security problems arise? They must wait for the fix in 'unstable' to make it into testing. Sounds like 'testing' contains a window during which bad people could do bad things ... Yup. Unfortunately, we can't do anything about this until a team turns up to do security updates for testing, which is a hard and time-consuming job. http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:19:29AM -0500, Michael Kahle wrote: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:14 AM Colin Watson wrote: I *strongly* recommend against upgrading by cron job. Just don't do it; there are lots of ways it can break. I have heard this mentioned before. Could you elaborate? Why is this a problem? Please excuse my inexperience here. Upgrades require interaction from time to time, such as conffile merges. Even with packages that use debconf, the defaults you get with the noninteractive frontend aren't always what you want. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with debootstrap and stable or sarge
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 05:24:24PM -0400, David T-G wrote: Colin, et al -- % Filename: field for adduser in % /mnt/empty/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz is a valid relative % path from /mnt/empty to the adduser .deb? In other words, % /mnt/empty/pool/main/a/adduser/adduser_3.53_all.deb should exist. Aha! I don't have any such pool/ directory. I'll go and download that now. Right, you need the .debs to be in the same layout as on Debian mirrors. % Also, make sure you have wget installed. Will I need wget on a file:/// install? Sorry, brainfart there; no, you don't. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages in GNU but not in Debian
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:20:56AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
Here is a simpleminded listing of packages in the GNU directory but not in Debian
yet.
$ lynx -dump http://www.gnu.org/directory/GNU/|
perl -wnle 'if(m@/GNU/.*.html@)[EMAIL PROTECTED] q{[./]}; print lc $F[$#F-1]}'|sort
-o /tmp/gnu
$ COLUMNS=222 dpkg-query -l \*|awk '/===/,EOF{print $2}'|sort -o /tmp/debian
$ comm -23 /tmp/gnu /tmp/debian|xargs|fold -s|sed 's/ $//'
Why don't you look for source package names?
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Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 01:59:28PM -0700, Ping Wing wrote: Upgrades require interaction from time to time, such as conffile merges. Even with packages that use debconf, the defaults you get with the noninteractive frontend aren't always what you want. well but lets assume i have little router ticking somewhere. only sshd listening. If I configure everything right then I should only need to upgrade sshd-libssl-libc6 . I think it could be done without interaction? The ssh package contains five conffiles. If you change any of those and they also change in the package, then you'll have to resolve the conflicts. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: deb package for Mplayer?
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 06:08:56AM +0800, Katipo wrote: Ishwar Rattan wrote: Where can I find the .deb package for mplayer? In unstable. mplayer isn't in unstable (yet, at least). Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with debootstrap and stable or sarge
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 08:56:37PM -0400, David T-G wrote: ...and then Colin Watson said... % On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 05:24:24PM -0400, David T-G wrote: % Aha! I don't have any such pool/ directory. I'll go and download that % now. % % Right, you need the .debs to be in the same layout as on Debian mirrors. What's the minimum set that I need for, say, sarge? I don't want to have to download 8G of mirror just to use 1/3 of it. You can probably use debootstrap --download-only from a real mirror to find out. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting wide ``dpkg -l'' output in scripts and pipes.
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 11:40:53AM +, Adam Funk wrote: On Tuesday 18 May 2004 10:20, Thomas Adam wrote: --- Adam Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Sorry about the long lines but they illustrate the output I'm talking about.) ``dpkg -l'' on its own in a terminal produces wide output, e.g.: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | pipe | pipe | pipe | more | more | yay Change the value of 200, if it is too small. Excellent. I had tried these: (COLUMNS=200 ; dpkg -l) |head (COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l) |head but got the narrow output. Why do these two fail? Those both set the COLUMNS shell variable but fail to export it to the dpkg subprocess (you need an explicit 'export' to do that). 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l' is a special syntax that adds the variable to the environment of the dpkg subprocess without affecting the shell in which it is executed. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting wide ``dpkg -l'' output in scripts and pipes.
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:18:50PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: --- Adam Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. I had tried these: (COLUMNS=200 ; dpkg -l) |head (COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l) |head but got the narrow output. Why do these two fail? Because COLUMNS=200 is being set in a subshell. Thus, the resultant output when it is piped through to head is lost, since bash does not work in this way. No; it doesn't matter whether head can see COLUMNS or not, and the output is not lost. You can tell this because both of these work fine: (export COLUMNS=200; dpkg -l) | head (COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l) | head ... as well as the more natural: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | head Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Easy to use Mail Spam/ Content Filter?
On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 06:58:17PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, May 16, 2004 at 12:29:39PM +0200, Stefan Drees ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i?m searching for an easy to configure mail spam/ content filter, configurable over an web frontend. [...] Easy? Delete key. Powerful? procmail. Or the Perl-based tool whose name I can never remember. Mailmumble. maildrop, I'm guessing. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, rpm and corporate world (was: Can rpm packages from other linux distribution be used on Debian?)
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 04:10:39PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Dominique Dumont wrote: So the questions are now: - does the Debian community want Debian to be used in corporate world to run *proprietary* softwares ? Personally, yes. I think many people have that ideal. It is written into the Social Contract. But the recent Debian Social Contract vote casts that as a majority opinion into doubt. So now I don't know. A contingent of vocal DDs would certainly say no. I don't think the recent Social Contract vote affected that, really. The discussion has been almost entirely about what Debian should ship, not what our users should be able to do. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sed -n vs. sed
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 03:50:33PM -0700, William Ballard wrote: Is that the basic approach? And isn't perl better for program-y things anyway? Nowadays, probably yes, in most circumstances. However: sed predates perl; and there are some environments (such as in the Debian installer) where perl is far too big so other tools have to be used instead. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting locale failed
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 08:35:53PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 07:45:48PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: Please tell us, because this is a very serious botch-up which makes Debian almost unusable for non-C-locale users. This is obviously not true, since the locale warnings you got were merely non-failure-causing warnings, and not the source of the error ... I am sorry, but I do not understand what you mean about non-failure causing warnings. I simply cannot set the locale (indeed, cannot install the locales package successfully) on one of my machines (running testing). Unpacking locales (from .../locales_2.3.2.ds1-12_all.deb) ... Setting up locales (2.3.2.ds1-12) ... Generating locales... en_US.UTF-8.../usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 41: 23102 Killed localedef -i $input -c -f $charset -A /etc/locale.alias $locale dpkg: error processing locales (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 137 That has nothing to do with the original poster's problem. The original poster mentioned some locale-related warnings which weren't fatal; your problems are fatal but entirely different. It looks rather as if locale-gen is running out of memory and being killed by the kernel? Check your syslog. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can rpm packages from other linux distribution be used on Debian?
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 01:16:09AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 09:50:00PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: I imagine there are cases in which this approach won't work, but we see the same thing from people everyday who are limiting themselves to only using debian tools. Just look at that stable vs. testing vs. unstable thread a month ago. And that's possibly the worst news the original poster wants to hear; he's got to make his stuff work on stable, testing, and unstable?!? Gah! Hi S, one doesnt make a product 'work' for stable, testing or unstable. every package start out it life as an unstable package. And if it proves its stability it will get moved to testing. And then if all goes well, it moves into stable. its stability and interaction with other packages are the criteria that the debian packager of an authors work uses to judge when it is moved to the next phase of readyness for 'stable'. That applies to Debian packages, but not to third-party products being ported to Debian. The usual approach for those is to build for stable and deal with other problems if and when they arise. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bold and normal fonts appear reversed in openoffice
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 06:31:18AM -0400, richard lyons wrote: BTW, why grep '^ii.*'. WHat does the .* usefully add? Nothing. and the single quotes? I expected, and got, the same response with either or both omitted. '*' is a metacharacter to the shell: if you'd happened to have any files in the current directory whose names started with '^ii.' for whatever reason, or if you had the shell option 'nullglob' set, then grep ^ii.* would have gone wrong. You may feel this is unlikely, but it's good style to quote metacharacters nonetheless. There are no metacharacters in ^ii alone, so quoting there is unnecessary. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Script execution at boot time..
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 04:26:48PM -0400, Ishwar Rattan wrote: I have written a shell script /etc/init.d/rclocal with two lines.. /etc/init.d/ssh start /home/mine/iptablerules and created a link in /etc/rc3.d S99rclocal link to ../init.d/rclocal and reboot won't execute the script. If I do the same by hand it works. I aso tried placing the link in /etc/rc2.d bu had no luck. Perhaps you forgot to make the script executable? Much simpler just to add a link in rc2.d for ssh, though; you could even use 'dpkg-reconfigure ssh'. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mounting windows shares
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 02:25:59PM -0600, Jacob Bresciani wrote: under windows 2000 (and NT4 I think) there was a program called subset (or something similar) that could mount directories as drive letters, I think you mean 'subst' - it comes from DOS. I have not seen anything similar under linux but then again I haven't really looked. Drive letters are a really bad idea; Unix doesn't have them. You can use 'mount --bind' with Linux 2.4 and above to pretend that bits of the filesystem are the same as other bits, if you like. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: run a script at startup
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 06:47:26PM -0500, Michael Martinell wrote: I have a script that I would like to run every time the computer is restarted. Is there a particular file that I would call it from? It must start after all of the other start-up processes have finished since it relies upon some of them. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-custombootscripts Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keyboard and locale problems
On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 04:41:22PM +0100, David W.E. Roberts wrote: From browsing man pages I think it should be 'en_uk' or 'en_UK'; 'UK' is the Ukraine in locales; you want 'en_GB'. My i18n configuration file contains: :/etc/sysconfig# cat i18n /etc/sysconfig doesn't sound very Debianish ... Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug in sarge installer
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 07:23:56PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to have found a bug in the sarge-intaller, but I don't know which package it belongs to and so I can't check if it has already been reported. Can someone help me? Please report installer bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; also see the web site for how to file a formal installation report. The error happens directly after the start of the installation. The message is two lines long and reads: 01:00:,rw=0,want=8216,limit=8192 attempt to acess beyond end of device These two lines repeat very fast. What's wrong? What architecture is this? The ramdisk size is too small; boot with the ramdisk_size=16384 (or similar) kernel parameter to work around this. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: date locale problem
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 02:33:17AM +0800, cantona wrote: I am using locale zh_HK, the date is displaying in Chinese. ( 5 13 02:26:03 HKT 2004) I want to display the 'date' in C (Thu May 13 02:28:59 HKT 2004) Set LC_TIME=C in your environment. See locale(7). Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP tunnel thru http proxy - possible?
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 11:17:23PM -0400, Adam Aube wrote: Translation: Please tell me how to violate my employer's security policy. Disclaimer: Doing this in your workplace may, depending on local laws and employer policies, result in disciplinary action up to and including termination, and may even lead to a lawsuit or criminal prosecution. If the proxy is badly configured, you may be able to tunnel out to arbitrary TCP ports using the CONNECT method. Under certain circumstances it is possible even with a properly configured proxy. There are software tools designed to do this, though I know of none by name. 'corkscrew' is one. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt in xterm fun
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 01:50:14AM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: Incidentally, I used shift L in mutt to send a reply and normally it won't cc you but it seems to have done - is there something in the way your setup is inhibiting normal behaviour? See his Mail-Followup-To: header. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rpm and Debian
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 03:32:57PM -0400, Lee Hanxue wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2004 00:58:58 -0500 dircha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] http://packages.debian.org [2] http://apt-get.org [3] http://www.backports.org [4] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [5] http://lists.debian.org Not to forget http://mentors.debian.net You might be able to find packages which are not available at the official repository. I would advise against using mentors.debian.net unless you're a Debian developer sponsoring packages, or unless somebody you trust has explicitly pointed you to an individual package there. Packages in the mentors archive are there because they're waiting for a Debian developer to sponsor them into the official archive. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Failed to open /dev/ttySO
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 01:31:51PM +0200, Philippe Dhont (Sea-ro) wrote: I am using smsclient with a normal user. I changed some settings and smsclient works with root and normally also with a normal user but i have troubles with /dev/ttyS0 The user has no rights for ttyS0 ? == Failed to open /dev/ttyS0 How can i change my /dev/ttyS0 so that a regular user can use it ? Don't change the device; add the user to the dialout group. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: date locale problem
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 08:32:50PM +0800, cantona wrote: However LC_TIME=C date still display the zh_HK date LC_ALL=C date works, but it change all locate to C.. I dont want like that. Have you set LC_ALL=zh_HK? Don't - use the LANG variable instead of LC_ALL if you want to be able to override individual aspects of it. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alias problem
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 06:49:16AM -0700, Aldous Huxley wrote: Whenever I create the alias: [alias 'ls=ls --color=auto'] it works just fine until I log out and then log back in, then, magically, it's not there. Why doesn't linux save these changes to disk? Because it doesn't work that way (I often define aliases for single sessions, for example). Put those changes in your shell startup scripts; that's what they're there for. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Debian Stable with Software RAID
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 12:30:15AM -0400, Jeremy Brown wrote: Jeremy Brown wrote: I'm relatively new to Debian, but am considering installing it on several new servers I'm setting up. At least one of the servers will need its root partition stored on a software RAID volume though, and a casual glance at both the Debian stable and testing installers seems to indicate that they do not support the creation of a software RAID volumes for use as the root install partition (well, at all really)...although it does look like testing's installer has LVM support. Is there a general procedure to follow for installing Debian on a software RAID volume? Is this something that's even possible right now? Just pinging this thread, since I haven't seen a response yet. Does anyone have any pointers on getting software RAID working in Debian, preferably pre-install? Can it be done at all? Very current daily builds of the sarge debian-installer (not beta4) support software RAID. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can rpm packages from other linux distribution be used on Debian?
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 05:40:51PM +0800, Rick wrote: Our product is base on redhat,I will porting it to Debian,but in this system,many procedure depend redhat rpms,for example: glibc-2.3.2-11.9.i386.rpm, perl-5.8.0-88.i386.rpm,etc.. At the start,I wanted to try install these rpm packages(from redhat) Once you have done that, the system is no longer really Debian, so I don't see the point. Figure out what Debian packages it depends on instead. On debian,but I found that thers is a lot work to do,some rpm packages even can't be installed on it.(perhaps these rpms packages from redhat can't be used on debian at all). In general they shouldn't be. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting back with dselect
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 01:19:52PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: On (12/05/04 14:23), Vittorio wrote: I've erroneously asked dselect to install many packages which entail the download of an incredible amount of other dependent packages (something like 600 MB of stuff), as I can see asking to install. Now I don't want all this to happen but don't know how to get back, I mean how, using dselect (or in case apt-get), to deselect all those packages automagically selected. Press ? in the selections menu and select k for keystrokes; it will show you R to revert to the previous state before your current selections. That only works if you haven't left the Select screen since making the selections you want to revert. See #151540 for a patch adding the feature Vittorio wants, and discussion of how you can sort of do it in a confusing way without the patch. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Restoring /etc/inittab
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 06:32:54PM +0200, Pierg75 wrote: Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Um, no, you haven't. If rm is aliased to 'rm -i' in root's environment, it should have prompted. Unless he neglected to mention that he actually did 'rm -rf' ... Somewhere i read that an alias should never be an alias of itself, something like alias rm='rm -i' Whatever you read was wrong; a word is not expanded as an alias if it is identical to an alias currently being expanded. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel date stamp?
On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 11:10:13AM -0400, Danny O'Brien wrote: We updated the kernel this weekend using apt-get update followed by apt-get kernel ver. However, uname-a delivers the following response: Linux mail 2.4.18-686 #1 Sun Apr 14 11:32:47 EST 2002 i686 unknown Why is this kernel dated April, 2002? Is this the most recent version? That's the build date. Remember that the last stable release was released in July 2002 ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to downgrade kernel?
On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 07:54:22PM +0200, Pedro M. (Morphix User) wrote: For me, It wasn't so easy to upgrade. How can I see If I have upgraded my kernel to 2.6.X (i.e.). uname -a -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about using rpm command error in debian
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 05:01:03PM +0800, li Rick wrote: I am a debian new user.I had set up Debian env,I will use rpm on it,but when I run rpm -qa,the following error showed: --- # rpm -qa error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2) # Debian doesn't use RPM. The sort of thing you're trying to do Just Won't Work without a lot of manual hacking; if you're going to do that then you might as well run an RPMish distribution to start with. Use the Debian package management tools instead. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BT Voyager 1010 (or Linksys WUSB11)
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 09:08:47AM +0100, Jonathan Melhuish wrote:
Hmm, I tried to modify it properly so that I can send my changes back
to the authors. Here's the diff:
#define VENDOR_ID_BT 0x69a
#define PRODUCT_ID_BT_VOYAGER_10100x821
113a114
{ USB_DEVICE(VENDOR_ID_BT, PRODUCT_ID_BT_VOYAGER_1010 ) },
I did a make, make install, but still the message in the system log is
the same (not claimed by any active driver). I tried typing modprobe
-v at76c503-rfmd again but to no avail.
Just as an aside, how do I get the proper diff output with filenames and
line numbers and stuff, so that you can use patch?
Use 'diff -u'.
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Re: Setting locale failed
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 07:45:48PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: Thomas Adam wrote: --- Christian Christmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my resent apt-get upgrade of my German sarge system failed while installing some locales packages. When I now execute an upgrade the process always fails with the message: [..] Check the BTS... http://bugs.debian.org/ I looked there already, as I am sure the OP did. Do you have any idea how to fix this problem? You seem to imply that the solution is obvious, so what is it? Please tell us, because this is a very serious botch-up which makes Debian almost unusable for non-C-locale users. This is obviously not true, since the locale warnings you got were merely non-failure-causing warnings, and not the source of the error ... Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing-Stable?
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 02:00:05PM -0700, Justin Souter, InkNoise wrote: Is there any information on when the current testing release will become the stable release? Follow the debian-devel-announce mailing list for relevant announcements. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lynx and google.com
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 11:39:42AM -0700, William Ballard wrote: On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 02:14:56PM -0400, David P James wrote: William Ballard wrote: -e 's/href=\//href=http:\/\/google.com\//g' \ ^ Does this line actually work? To me it looks like you're missing an escape before the second '/' before the second 'href'. Yes, it actually works. The unescaped / are delimiters for the s///. It's trashy write-only code -- but it works. FWIW, the next time you can write this instead: -e 's,href=/,href=http://google.com/,g' ... or pretty much any other sensible delimiter of your choice. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Find with Grep
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 09:21:16AM -0500, Rick Weinbender wrote:
How can I make the following expression display only occurrences that
do NOT contain the searchstring. Is this possible?
find /home -name *.txt -exec grep searchstring {} \;
I want to search for the absense of a particular commandline in a user
config file.
-L, --files-without-match
Suppress normal output; instead print the name of
each input file from which no output would normally
have been printed. The scanning will stop on the
first match.
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Re: Mutt's internal pager and accented characters
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 02:11:11PM -0400, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 11:53:33AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: I find it simplest by far to run mutt in a UTF-8 locale, at which point it can deal with accented characters from a wide range of languages without me having to intervene further. You'll need a terminal emulator that can cope (I have personal experience of pterm and uxterm) and a suitable font (your terminal emulator may or may not sort this out for you; with pterm it's easiest to pick a font). Regardless of whether I'm using pterm or Eterm switching to UTF-8 does not solve any problems. In fact it CREATES more problems! Setting mutt to: set charset=utf-8 gives me a capital A with a ~ on top instead of correctly mapping as lower case a with an accent grave on top. I don't use 'set charset'; I simply make sure that the terminal is running in UTF-8 mode and that my locale is UTF-8. mutt seems to just work at that point. according to /usr/share/doc/mutt/README.Debian snip But I've tried setting the LC_CTYPE=[EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO-8859-15 to no avail. That's not a legal value for LC_CTYPE, incidentally; LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.ISO-8859-15 would be better, or (if you take my approach) LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 for Unicode. Where would I get legal values for LC_CTYPE? The instructions said to read my /etc/locale.gen file and what I have is definitely listed there. fr_CA ISO-8859-1 fr_CA.UTF-8 UTF-8 fr_FR ISO-8859-1 fr_FR.UTF-8 UTF-8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] UTF-8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO-8859-15 The format of that file is locale charset. Entries in the left-hand column should be legal LC_CTYPE values, although they're not the only possible values. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Massive increase of spam on debian-*@l.d.o
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:49:56AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: CaT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 12:18:10AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Spammer... *plonk* And once again you show the maturity of a spoiled six year old on an internationally distributed mailing list. Hopefully potential future employers see what kind of pointless hissy-fits you're prone to. On the evidence of this thread you really don't have anything to preach about, I'm afraid. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BETA 4 Network Install KONSOLE-TERMINAL problem
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 03:50:28PM -0500, Robert Maynord wrote: I have been experimenting with the the Beta 4 network install that uses KDE 3.2. All seems to go well, until I log in as a user. The user desktop seems to work fine, except for Konsole (or a terminal in Gnome - same problem). Konsole loads OK, but has no prompt! In other words, I am unable to input any commands. Konsole works in root, but not in any user account. I did not have this problem with BETA 3 - I have it installed on multiple machines. Is this a bug or a feature? Do I need to modify a config file somewhere? I bet you just need to upgrade makedev to a fixed version: 2.3.1-69 would do. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UXTerm, Andale Mono, and line drawings
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 11:27:31PM -0400, Erinn Clark wrote: I recently switched to UTF-8 and have since been using UXTerm for pretty much everything. As a long time Andale Mono fan, I'm quite disturbed to find out that line drawings no longer work (i.e. threads in mutt look like boxy ... things). Are you using a UTF-8-aware mutt? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with italian keyboard
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:10:45AM +0200, Giannandrea Castaldi wrote: and added in my .bashrc the following lines: export LC_ALL=en_US export LANG=en_US export LC_CTYPE=iso_8859_1 Perhaps LC_TYPE isn't correct I would expect LC_CTYPE=en_US.ISO-8859-1 or similar. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarge?
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 10:38:13AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: I've been tempted to become a Debian developer specifically to propose a fixed release schedule: Sarge becomes frozen every six months, whatever state it's in. Period. Well, firstly, you don't need to be a developer to propose changes to the release schedule (unless you're foolish enough to want to do it by vote, at which point I think the release team would resign on you). You might want to be a developer in order to be listened to, but actually just being a developer isn't what gets you influence, but rather doing the work. Aside from that, I'm afraid you would have been necessarily ignored until now. Without a working installer, there is absolutely no point in releasing. This has thoroughly hamstrung any attempts at a time-based release cycle until now. I like the idea (to some extent; whatever state it's in is frankly asking for trouble, but we wouldn't have to go that far). Until now, though, it has not been feasible. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Files in /etc/pam.d/
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 11:04:41PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: Problem for me, as I said: no docs that I found so far on which file in /etc/pam.d is used by which service. Which currently renders the whole PAM system close to unusable for me ... How about grep? grep common-auth /etc/pam.d/* -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Creating deb packages
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 07:55:41AM -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote: There was a good description of this here: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22creating+deb+packages%22+group:linux.debian.userhl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8scoring=dselm=19990207111807.A13858%40glitch.snoozer.netrnum=1 That is completely outdated. What's outdated about it? It might not have been updated in a while, but that's not quite the same thing. As far as I know, the advice it gives is still good. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usb in Kernel 2.6.[35]
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 04:14:19PM -0400, H. S. wrote: I recently installed Kernel-2.6.5. In Kernel 2.4.24 I was able to transfer pictures from my ditical camera by gphoto2 (using the usermap in /etc/hotplug/usb and setting things up so that members of usbcamera could use gphoto2 to transfer pics from the USB camera). The module being used for this was usb-uhci. In kernels 2.6.5 and 2.6.3 though, I am not able to transfer the pics anymore. gphoto2 doesn't see any camera. Also, I see that there is no usb-uhci module loaded anymore. Only uhci-hcd (IIRC) and usbcore and ehci-hcd. I don't know why your camera isn't working any more, but I can help with the modules questions: to my knowledge, usb-uhci has simply been renamed to uhci-hcd. The ehci-hcd module is for USB 2.0 support; USB 2.0 controllers apparently generally have companion controllers which are UHCI or OHCI, so you get both modules. HTH, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarge?
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 08:38:15AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 11:49:28AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: Aside from that, I'm afraid you would have been necessarily ignored until now. Without a working installer, there is absolutely no point in releasing. This has thoroughly hamstrung any attempts at a time-based release cycle until now. There was a working installer in Woody (clunky, but working.) Given a known release schedule, it wouldn't have been repaced in Sarge until a new, working installer was actually ready. This is a common response to my point above, but have you checked to see if the woody installer will actually install sarge, or be ready for newer kernels so that we can support installing on newer hardware (which for many people is half the point of a new stable release)? I'm pretty sure you'd find this isn't true. We had a choice between a non-working installer and, er, a non-working installer. It took quite a bit of effort (several months and a complete cessation of work on the new debian-installer) to whip the potato installation system into shape for woody. Sadly, we have *not* historically been in a position where we can just drop in the installer from the previous release and expect it to work, and by the end of its life boot-floppies was such a nightmare to develop that this *was* a major blocker. A substantial part of the point in investing so much development effort in d-i is to fix this perennial problem for the future. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usb in Kernel 2.6.[35]
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 05:26:42PM -0400, H. S. wrote: Apparently, _Colin Watson_, on 05/02/04 17:05,typed: I don't know why your camera isn't working any more, but I can help with the modules questions: to my knowledge, usb-uhci has simply been renamed to uhci-hcd. The ehci-hcd module is for USB 2.0 support; USB 2.0 controllers apparently generally have companion controllers which are UHCI or OHCI, so you get both modules. So, theoritically, I only need ehci-hcd to use USB 1.0 devices? And uhci-hdc or ohci-hcd if I want to use USB 2.0 devices as well? The other way round. BTW, I also noticed that there is a usbcore module that uses uhci-hcd in 2.6.5 kernel. usbcore is the bottom layer of USB support, required in order to use USB at all. See the help entry for Support for USB in the kernel configuration. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bugs in stable ?
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 06:34:18PM -0400, xavier wrote: However, when there is a problem on a package in stable which is not important enough to be updated, the package stays as-is and information about this bug is difficult to retrieve. That the package doesn't change is fine with me, what i'd like is a way to keep track of problems of packages in the stable distribution. I'd like thoses bugs to be reported by apt-listbugs. I'd like the bugs submitted with reportbug on stable to have a stable(maybe?) tag. I guess a lot of them would have a fixed in unstable tag. Currently I believe there is no easy way to get this information. (correct me if i'm wrong) This is being worked on (by me) in the bug tracking system. It's not an easy task, and not well-solved by tags. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bugs in stable ?
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 06:59:10PM -0400, xavier wrote: On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 11:44:32PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: This is being worked on (by me) in the bug tracking system. It's not an easy task, and not well-solved by tags. Thanks a lot, I guess you think that's an issue too. Although I perfectly understand it is a hard problem to solve, it would be nice to have something working for sarge, since if it isn't, it probably won't be out until the next stable. The bug tracking system doesn't require new stable releases for upgrades to be useful. The sarge release is almost irrelevant here, except for the way it tends to eat a lot of my time. How about using package version numbers ? That's exactly what is being done. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarge?
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 07:06:49PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 10:11:35PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: It took quite a bit of effort (several months and a complete cessation of work on the new debian-installer) to whip the potato installation system into shape for woody. Sadly, we have *not* historically been in a position where we can just drop in the installer from the previous release and expect it to work, and by the end of its life boot-floppies was such a nightmare to develop that this *was* a major blocker. A substantial part of the point in investing so much development effort in d-i is to fix this perennial problem for the future. Fair enough. I have only written installers for applications, not operating systems, so I'm quite ignorant of these issues. Could you clarify why the Woody installers can't install Sarge? I was never a boot-floppies developer, just an observer, but: debootstrap update (fairly trivial, but needs to be done). Lack of support for newer kernels, particularly on non-i386 (big task); you don't really want to run sarge on 2.2 and the security team don't want to support 2.2 any more. Changes in the base system have a well-documented habit of breaking the installer, which in turn takes time to fix. I'm guessing, but it wouldn't surprise me if the interaction with the second stage has changed. CD building issues. Probably architecture-specific issues I don't know about. Of course, woody had a somewhat harder time of it because it added several new architectures, but the only reason that hasn't happened for sarge is because changes need to be made in the archive maintenance system first, and the timeframe for that couldn't have been predicted at the beginning of the sarge release cycle. Let's go on a tour through the woody development cycle: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/debian-devel-announce-200012/msg00012.html giving up on d-i development as taking too long, returning to then non-functional b-f http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200102/msg00014.html Short summary: It's about time we froze. Go help Adam with boot-floppies. i386 boot-floppies not working yet. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200104/msg4.html In short: there hasn't been any [progress], go help Adam and David with boot-floppies. Still no working i386 b-f. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200105/msg3.html One successful i386 install with CVS versions of this and hacked versions of that. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200106/msg00014.html b-f finally more or less OK enough on some architectures to start a freeze process. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200107/msg00011.html alpha, mips, mipsel, s390 (and others that didn't release) still didn't have working installers. Note that alpha was supported in potato. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200108/msg2.html Ditto. After that things more or less got sorted out. Of course, the woody freeze then got sidetracked by crypto-in-main and the suddenly discovered need for a major upgrade to the security build infrastructure, but that's another story. Still, that's five months from ground zero to an install that worked at all for one developer with weird hacks on i386, six months to something reasonable on a few architectures, and over eight months to something we could even think about releasing. If you're trying to freeze six months after release, that frankly sucks. Going that route for sarge just wasn't an option with elderly code with that kind of track record. Sure, we've had to take the hit of a massive initial development cycle for d-i, but it's now got considerably more developer interest than b-f ever had, it has a distributed maintenance structure so it's possible for more than a few gurus to manage to build and upload the thing correctly, it uses our autobuilder infrastructure so supporting other architectures is considerably easier, and it makes use of micro-packages generated as part of regular uploads of packages in the main distribution to unstable to reduce the duplication of effort involved. With some forthcoming debootstrap changes, we stand quite a good chance of being able to maintain a rolling installer for testing for at least some of the time from here on in. There are still problems, but the light at the end of the tunnel is generally visible and distinguishable from oncoming trains. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarge?
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 02:35:21PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 11:27:23AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 05:54:38AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: I have been following the discussion from bits here, from planet.debian.net and misc sources. I appreciate the effort that goes into making Debian but I wish that it could be a bit pragmatic and just temporarity suspend the issues relating to the most recent update to the social contract and release the debian-installer and sarge and let the world see the great stuff that has been brewing in the debian laboratories. http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_004 I'm worried about the many alternative choices in this vote. Suppose 4:1 voters agree that the new social contract should be delayed so that sarge can be released, but some think that it should be september, 1st, some that sarge could take longer so do it after the release, some want sarge released with a special notice saying the social contract changes are ignored for this release etc. and none of the choices will get a 3:1 majority. That way sarge will not be released before 2005 whereas 4:1 people wanted it to. Am I seeing things wrongly? I certainly hope so. You're missing something, yes. The constitution only requires that the winning option has a 3:1 majority over Further Discussion, not over every other option. It's not a problem. (I had to check on this myself when proposing an amendment, though.) Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there a complete log to the bootup messages?
On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Niels L. Ellegaard wrote: PS: I never understood why is bootlogd turned of by default. In case some big guru is reading this, I would be grateful for a pointer to an explanation. :) Gurus become gurus by reading. :) See the sysvinit changelog. sysvinit (2.85-8) unstable; urgency=low [...] * Do not run bootlogd by default - it's a bit to experimental for the stable release. Can be turned on manually (closes: #217582) [...] -- Miquel van Smoorenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:11:20 +0100 Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone using ssh-3.2.9.1 non-commercial with unstable?
On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 02:01:47PM -0400, Alan Ezust wrote: I have the non-commercial version of ssh-3.2.9.1 which I compile from source on every machine I use, because it happens to be used by the server at Suffolk (our sysadmin there likes it). Here's what happened. Before, I would run ssh-add from a konsole shell, and it would ask for a passphrase from stdin. And since i had the ssh-agent installed properly (running infront of KDE) everything worked great. But since the last upgrade, now, it pops up the ssh-askpass program, which asks me for a passphrase or a passcode, but does not properly pass it back to ssh-add (or ssh, for that matter). That's a makedev bug. See #245718 et al. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge Version of Debian?
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 02:38:30PM -0400, David Piniella wrote: This is of interest to me because I 'm about to reinstall debian on a machine and I'd like to go straight to sarge. What's the preferred or ideal method? I don't mind net installs, but I don't know whether to use the 100MB image, or the 30MB net-installer or the PGI GUI installer or install a bare woody and dist-upgrade to sarge/testing? If you don't mind net installs, get the 30MB businesscard image, and please report problems in it. If using a daily build is too scary, the d-i team will be releasing release candidate 1 in a week or so. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Security warnings from pam_securetty?
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 08:57:13PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: I find these messages in my logfiles. What has changed recently? The access to the tty devices is crw-rw and owned by root.tty. sshd[4196]: (pam_securetty) access denied: tty 'ssh' is not secure ! xscreensaver: (pam_securetty) access denied: tty ':0.0' is not secure ! This is a filed bug against pam. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:54:50PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:14:33AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know when they will package sarge with the 2.6 kernel as a default kernel instead of it being an add in? Sarge and 2.6 as the default kernel? Well, I'd guess like »never«. Maybe it will be the default in Sarge+1... Integrating 2.6 into the new debian-installer is work in progress, but I'd be very surprised (to say the least) if it became the default now... It's possible that it may be made the default on some architectures, although we're going to have to get a move on there (and I certainly don't speak for Joey ...). We'll see. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:07:21PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:32:20PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:54:50PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: Sarge and 2.6 as the default kernel? Well, I'd guess like »never«. Maybe it will be the default in Sarge+1... Integrating 2.6 into the new debian-installer is work in progress, but I'd be very surprised (to say the least) if it became the default now... It's possible that it may be made the default on some architectures, although we're going to have to get a move on there (and I certainly don't speak for Joey ...). We'll see. Ah, I see, thanks. I take it you mean m68k-mac and possibly sparc32. AFAIK it'll eventually get there, but not just yet. I was thinking of powerpc, actually. I've done a full install using 2.6 there, although I'm waiting for some bug fixes outside d-i so I haven't yet committed everything necessary to d-i. Is this in the light of Joey (not joeyh) saying It is insane to believe the security team has any chance to support Linux 2.2, Linux 2.4 and Linux 2.6 once sarge is released. as of http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0403/msg01495.html ? No, I wasn't thinking of that, just of d-i release schedules. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel 2.6.4 serial ata support - promise 20376
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 05:10:56PM +0100, Matthew Kay wrote: I have a Promise SATA controller, 20376 (aka the TX2Plus). When I used 2.6.0-test9 there was a lovely option called SATA_PROMISE which I said yes to and everything worked beautifully. However, I can't find this in the SCSI or ATA menus for 2.6.4 or 2.6.5, which I downloaded from the debian kernel-source packages and extracted into /usr/src. Could someone tell me exactly where to find the replacement option, please? Make sure you have CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL turned on. It's under SCSI low-level drivers. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian /etc/hosts Behavior
On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 10:35:22PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 11:22:36PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: The installer does indeed create that line. In recent daily builds, we've changed things around to the more sane: 127.0.0.1 localhost hostname Hm... someone's assuming that d-i rather than the more normal boot-floppies is in use. The guy said a fresh install of unstable. It's a reasonable assumption. Joey is familiar with installer issues :-) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh problem after upgrade from woody to sarge
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 03:15:44AM -0700, Pete RedHair wrote: I've upgraded two Debian Woody boxes to testing (sarge). I use putty from a windows 2000 PC to login to these linux boxes, but after the upgrade i can't login anymore. What happens is that after typing the username and password putty generates errors. What errors? It's impossible to help without seeing those. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA hard drives?
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 09:07:27AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a new computer that has a Soyo Dragon motherboard, with Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1, .. and a IBM 160 GB Hard drive 160 GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive. Can Debian be installed on this setup? Serial ATA still requires a 2.6 kernel; support for it is scheduled for inclusion in 2.4.27. There are 2.6 versions of sarge's debian-installer in preparation, but they're still somewhat experimental ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh problem after upgrade from woody to sarge
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 06:11:07AM -0700, Pete RedHair wrote: Thanks for your reply . I was forgetting putty since it worked fine with woody, however i did upgraded putty and now it works ok, even after the changes i made in sshd_config which didn't let me login. Guess i missed the problem tracking when i assumed everything was ok with my old version of putty (0.5.1), sorry. Aha, right. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/changes.html indeed lists some crash bugs fixed after 0.51. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New sarge installer casues problems on laptops
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 11:59:57AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed sarge using the new installer last week. [...] So: a) whoever's in charge of the installer, The best place for that would be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postnuke in debian?
On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 12:11:11AM -0300, Toshiro wrote: Anybody knows why postnuke is not included in Debian? Any problem with the license? It was removed. = [Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:50:52 -0500] [ftpmaster: Daniel Silverstone] Removed the following packages from unstable: postnuke | 0.723-4.2 | source, all Closed bugs: 227772 --- Reason --- RoQA; Orphaned. Security nightmare -- = (http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)
On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 10:08:49PM -0700, wex wrote: Actually the very first thing I did was download the new sarge 2 weeks ago, and I did so with excitement and high expectations. And I will say this for other people's benefit it is definitely a beta installer. Yup. It gave me a various range of problems that I won't go into; plus; it seems as though it actually gave me less autonomy although there was an expert mode I did not use. In particular the bootloader process was f$cked In what way was it broken? There were some errata in beta3, should be fixed in beta4. I don't know what the exact intent was in re-doing the installer and i am sure there is an important underlying reason, It had become impossible to maintain or significantly extend the old one, and the old installer was built in such a way as to discourage all but the most dedicated developers. but it is unfortunate that it makes the already hardest distribution to install harder. We've in fact had many reports saying this is much easier than the woody installer. Of course there are bugs, not helped by trying to track a distribution in development, but they're generally stomped on pretty quickly. By the way what I don't understand is why sarge isn't coming with an option to load the 2.6 kernel, who really wants the 2.4 kernel at this point? Quite a few people, actually. However, 2.6 support has been added recently; it's still raw, but sarge should release with a 2.6 option at least on i386, maybe powerpc as well. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: naming usb devices?
On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 09:24:06PM -0400, Matt Price wrote: feel like I saw this somewhere a while ago, but a quick search didn't turn up what I wanted. Is there a way to assign a permanent name to a usb device like a pen drive,' so that (say) if I plug in two different pen drives at the same time, each one gets assigned to an appropriate name, say /mnt/schoolfiles/ and /mnt/fun/? This would be convenient (tho not essential) for me. Sounds like you want the LABEL= or UUID= syntax in /etc/fstab. See fstab(5) for details. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: no modules in 2.4.18 security update for IA32/woody?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 09:51:05AM -0700, David Rothenberger wrote: I just installed the kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 security update on my IA32 machine and noticed that /lib/modules-2.4.18-1-686 was practically empty. The /lib/modules directory for the previous version of the package had lots of modules. Is this reasonable? There have to be some modules, right? The security update was broken. :-( The security team are aware of it, or so conversation on IRC would suggest ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark
On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:23:48PM +0100, Andy Morris wrote: Now one thing I should have mentioned earlier is that the app was written in Java (compiled using Sun's jdk1.4.2 (not gentoo's blackdown since it's too buggy)) and we are therefore also testing the platform implementation of the VM (if you don't know about java basically when code runs there is a middleman between the code running and the OS (the Java Virtual Machine). It is possible that the jdk does not work as well on Linux but this is what I use and so do millions of others, and therefore it's can be a v good benchmark. I will shortly if i get some time repeat the tests in C++ to remove this factor (it interfaces directly with the OS since it's compiled into native binaries) and if any1 does care for the result then let me know. I think it's very likely that at least some of the Java implementations available for Linux suck performance-wise compared to Windows. Java's quite a poor development platform on Linux; it doesn't help that the Sun JDK is non-free so people generally can't hack on it, and the free JVMs have only started to receive attention relatively recently. I'm afraid I wouldn't regard a Java benchmark as a remotely fair assessment of any difference between Linux and XP in themselves, whether or not millions of people use it. I also don't think that counting is a very interesting benchmark really. :) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: keep users alert to packages deleted from debian
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 09:44:48AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:28:44PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: I would venture to say that only 'apt-get source' is useful. 'apt-get install' doesn't offer anything 'aptitude install' offers. In fact, if you use aptitude, you should never use 'apt-get install' since you lose the benefits of aptitude tracking automatic dependencies. The only times I've used 'apt-get install' in the past 1.5 years or so are on newly installed systems, and then it's only to do 'apt-get install aptitude'. ;) Very good point. I expanded aptitude section and pointed out this very important fact. Once you start using prgnaptitude/prgn, it is depreciated to use That should be deprecated. While depreciated is a common misspelling, that word actually means reduced in value, such as the way a three-year-old car is worth less than a new one. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Debian has turned unusable.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 04:39:22PM -0500, Kevin Ruml wrote: This topic/suggestion that desktop users should use unstable rather than stable, since it's no more unstable than other distros latest releases, comes up regularly. What is the reason unstable isn't renamed to something else to dispel the stigma the name gives? The name's hardcoded all over the place, unfortunately. Even if we wanted to, it'd actually be rather a large amount of effort to rename it, effort we could more productively spend in finishing off the new installer so that we can release sarge. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When a release is ready. (was Re: Re: Debian has turned unusable.)
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:47:59PM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote: So I would guess that there's some set of target properties that testing should have before it gets frozen that gets decided upon, e.g. the next release must include a 2.4 kernel by default with a 2.6 kernel optional, the new installer, XF86 v4.3, exim4, GNOME 2.2 or higher, etc. Whatever else is true about testing, and even if the release-critical bug count is zero, the release won't be made until these changes in the distro have been effected, since otherwise it isn't different enough or interesting enough to put out there as a new stable release. And I wonder how those goals are chosen, and where one goes to find out what they are. Probably an archive search of debian-devel would do it; but a better-publicized source (e.g. a page on the Debian website) might be a good idea. If the user community had a clear idea what the major issues for each new release are, they'd know the particular packages/services to concentrate on playing with and filing good bug reports about and so on -- thus perhaps helping to speed up the release. I know that a major focus of this release is the new installer, and that right now that's the main thing people should focus on to help the release get out. But earlier, I dunno what else I should have been installing and hammering on to help the release along. I could probably find it in debian-devel's archives; but maybe a page off the Debian front page (Minimal Goals for the Next Release) would be a good idea. Personally I'd rather see much more time-based releases once we've got a reliably-updated installer post-sarge, but hey ... The real reason that there's little in the way of information here is that it could be reduced to a trivial page looking a bit like this: _ _ _ _ | ___(_)_ __ (_)___| |__ | |_ | | '_ \| / __| '_ \ | _| | | | | | \__ \ | | | |_| |_|_| |_|_|___/_| |_| _ _ |_ _| |__ ___ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | | | | | __/ |_| |_| |_|\___| ___ __ _ _ |_ _|_ __ ___| |_ __ _| | | ___ _ __| | | || '_ \/ __| __/ _` | | |/ _ \ '__| | | || | | \__ \ || (_| | | | __/ | |_| |___|_| |_|___/\__\__,_|_|_|\___|_| (_) Everything else is so far behind that goal that it isn't funny. It's been in every release update posted to debian-devel-announce for the last couple of years. There are minor bits and pieces, sure, but in reality as soon as the new installer's really and truly ready for prime time (which, finally, is a goal that's in sight) we'll be going straight into freeze mode. We (the release management team) have begun putting together better ways to disseminate release targets, but I don't expect them to be decent until we've got sarge out of the way. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undoing the 'l' command in mutt
On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 05:05:21PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: I use mutt, unchanged keybindings. After I type 'l' to see only the messages matching a given pattern, I'd like to get back to seeing the whole mailbox. Is there a way of removing the 'l' filter besides reopening the mailbox? The simpler way would be 'l'+Enter, but it does not work. I had a look in the '?' list of all keybindings, but found nothing. 'l' followed by entering '.' as the pattern works for me. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: software raid and lvm
On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 05:51:44PM -0400, Greg Sidelinger wrote: I'm trying to find some documentation how installing testing on a system using root on software raid1 and lmv. I've done some searching around and most of the stuff I have seen is for the 3.0 installer and not the new debian installer. So if anyone knows where I might find some documentation on this could you please let me know. We don't have software RAID support in debian-installer yet, I'm afraid, but I believe efforts are underway. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Licensed software
On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 07:39:08PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Debian Linux is released under the GNU GPLv2. (GNU is Not Unix, General Public License version 2) Seen here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html *Parts* of Debian - important parts, indeed - are released under that licence, but the whole thing definitely is not. In fact, some of the components of Debian are released under licences incompatible with the GPL (but still free). Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: package removal
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 11:28:18AM +0200, Sebastiaan wrote: with the testing dist-upgrade I did last week, some packages were removed. Usually I trust apt and Debian not to remove application packages, but this time it removed xv. Don't ever, ever run dist-upgrade without looking over the list of removed packages. Ever. I believe that the next version of xfree86 will no longer force the removal of certain old packages. Now I can't find this package in the Debian tree anymore, neither did apt give me a reason why this package has been obsoleted or came with an alternative. apt-get never gives you much in the way of reasoning, which is why I advise not using it for big upgrades. Ideas where to find information why packages are obsoleted and removed from the tree? http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt = [Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:39:32 -0400] [ftpmaster: James Troup] Removed the following packages from unstable: xv | 3.10a-24 | powerpc xv | 3.10a-25 | arm, m68k xv | 3.10a-26 | source, alpha, i386, sparc xv-doc | 3.10a-26 | all Closed bugs: 98215 --- Reason --- ROM; no permission to modify and redistribute. -- = Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help needed
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 02:26:17PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 09:11:44PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said I have a harddisk size of 160GB. I am finding it hard to find a release of Debian that supports 48bit LBA which is what I need to partition this disk so that I can use all of the 160GB available. Currently I can see only 137GB of usable space. I have tried various ISO's, sid included. However, sid doesnt load by default, I have to use boot: linux ramdisk=1 otherwise it cant load, however, it then has script errors before the install starts. So I cant use this one. Debian doesn't make sid isos available, complain to whoever made them. Be careful; nowadays we do make netinsts of unstable and businesscard images that can install unstable. They're only really there for debian-installer testing, though. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help -- Screen Scraping with Mechanize
On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 09:03:14PM -0400, Robert Tilley wrote: I have libwww-mechanize-perl and libwww-perl installed. Is there some debian-specific configuration I'm overlooking that can cause the errors below? I don't know what's happening but something is not being found in some search path. Help? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ./scrape_test.pl 'Demolition Man' Can't locate XML/LibXML.pm in @INC (@INC You're still missing libxml-libxml-perl, as before. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why must Debian call Taiwan a Province of China?
On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 03:21:42PM +0800, Katipo wrote: Bruce Miller wrote: Joey Hess was on the mark to criticize members of this list for rising to flamebait. This far exceeds flamebait. It is a serious issue. I, myself, feel that we should have all been advised of this. Que? If you're interested in something, subscribe to the *relevant* mailing list. Nobody in Debian has an obligation to personally knock on your door and advise you of everything. Bye, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root1
On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 02:10:19PM +0200, smurfd aka nicklas boman wrote: l??r 2004-04-03 klockan 18.43 skrev smurfd: BUT, after some usage i found a file called /1 wich contained something about /etc/emacs and /2 and i dont use emacs. Though in /etc/emacs there was some that could have been installed by devhelp. My question is, has anyone else had this /1 file? was i rooted? is it a known bug? Anyway i had to wipe my drive, so i cant paste the exact containment in the /1 file. Okey, a short update. The installer, still kick-ass, though, i wasnt able to make it install lilo instead of grub. i skipped the install grub and choosed install lilo instead, bud as i hit enter, i see the installer saying installing Grub .. not lilo. Weird.. (i know its still under development.. just wanted to let ya know) Installation reports are best sent to debian-boot. I have narrowed down the possibillities of things that could be the cause of that file. 1st) I had a visitioir, simple as that. i was kindof unprotected, though still it feels pretty stupit to leave a file that visible... 2nd) What i can think of, the only package i havent installed that was on this box before is the mldonkey-server mldoneky-gui packages, wich i was using.. anyway, would appreciate some opinions. what could have caused this.. shall i post a bug report? It seems very likely that the files are the result of a maintainer script bug rather than any kind of attack. However, you'd need to be able to narrow it down to a particular package before you wipe the disk in order to file a bug, really. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make debian package of php 4.3.5 for debian woody
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 06:46:55PM +0300, Alain wrote: I would like to install php 4.3.5 on my debian woody, (which is not available from apt-get stable source-) for that it seems that I have to build my own package, but I am not sure how to do it right: I have used tar source of php-4.3.5, did apt-get build-dep package and then tried dpkg-buildpackage ... without success, getting same error 'unable to determine source package' Make sure you get Debianized source (e.g. with 'apt-get source php4', or see /usr/share/doc/debian/source-unpack.txt), and make sure you cd into the unpacked source directory after getting the source. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get install hangs while unpacking
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 03:11:06PM -0500, David wrote: The problem is most likely to occur on large deb files. Small one are much more likely to install OK. The problem is not limited to any one particular file. Also, dpkg -i is more likely to work than apt-get. Somewhere someone said that it may be a corrupt library. I reinstalled lots of packages and that didn't fix the problem. I just went through the painful process (many, many hangs requiring repeat runs!!) of upgrading to testing to see if that fixed the problem. I don't think it did. Right now I am really questioning my decision to switch from Redhat over to debian. The main draw for me was the power of apt-get, but it is more problem than solution. Arg! I wish there was someone with a fix for this. I'd suggest using 'strace -f' to try to see what's going on. The output will be large, but you could stick it on a web site and see if someone can work it out. I've never heard of this problem before. I don't believe it's a common problem with Debian. Are you sure you don't have a subtle hardware problem? Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: keep users alert to packages deleted from debian
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:56:44PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:52:44PM +0200, Martin Kuball wrote:
| Would you like to explain this a little bit? What exactly is the
| advantage of using a front end over plain apt-get. At least I did not
| encounter any problems using the apt-get aproach.
'apt-get {install,upgrade,dist-upgrade}' works as intended. However,
it has the following limitations :
. no notification is a package becomes 'obsolete' (removed from
the package repository)
. no way to trace dependencies to resolve any
installation/upgrade issues
. no way to track what packages are automatically installed
solely to meet a dependency (and therefore no way to
automatically remove them if the package depending on it
is removed)
. no way to install and remove packages simultaneously (you
must run apt-get at least twice)
. no way to browse what packages are available or installed
. no way to show details for just a specific version of a
package ('apt-cache show' gives details for all available
versions)
. when things go wrong, its output can be confusing even to
experts; an interactive dependency resolver is much easier to
follow in practice
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