On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:02:19 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 02:06:07PM +, Camaleón wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
(...)
The understanding I got from reading Roger's post was that if you are
using CUPS, *THEN* you are automatically
Am Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 schrieb green:
Martin Steigerwald wrote at 2012-08-02 13:19 -0500:
I am quite confident my HP OfficeJet 5610 doesn´t contain such a
nasty firmware, as I am using it for a real long time now.
True according to
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 02:06:07PM +, Camaleón wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote:
I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the
default backend can have its troubles and
Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb green:
Stan Hoeppner wrote at 2012-07-23 06:59 -0500:
On 7/23/2012 6:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:
I suggest buying a PostScript printer with ethernet connection.
LEXMARK E260dn, monochrome laser:
I purchased a Lexmark E360dn, hoping for good Linux
Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian:
On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 08:29:49 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
On 07/23/2012 07:47 AM, Registros Web wrote:
Hi all,
Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses
100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I
Am Donnerstag, 26. Juli 2012 schrieb Gaël DONVAL:
Three goods points were raised:
1) Postscript printers (advertised so) are great in that regard because
they only need a PPD (ASCII) file to work. This is not the only way to
be sure the printer will work in 10 years but this is the easiest
Am Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 schrieb Roger Leigh:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 02:06:07PM +, Camaleón wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote:
I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF
On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:17:27 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian:
All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
output in PDF format when printing.
Haven´t there been plans to switch CUPS to use PDF internally as well?
May I
On 02/08/12 19:54, Brian wrote:
On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:17:27 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian:
All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
output in PDF format when printing.
Haven´t there been plans to switch CUPS to use PDF
Martin Steigerwald wrote at 2012-08-02 13:19 -0500:
I am quite confident my HP OfficeJet 5610 doesn´t contain such a nasty
firmware, as I am using it for a real long time now.
True according to
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_5600_series.html
(search for
On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:28:32 +0100, Dom wrote:
On 02/08/12 19:54, Brian wrote:
On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:17:27 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian:
All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
output in PDF format when printing.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote:
I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the
default backend can have its troubles and not be nor as good nor as
simple nor as easy as the white papers say. Companies have always showed
different needs than
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 07:43:13PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote:
I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the
default backend can have its troubles and not be nor as good nor as
simple nor as easy as the
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote:
I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the
default backend can have its troubles and not be nor as good nor as
simple nor as easy as the white
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:39:40 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Sun 29 Jul 2012 at 14:11:22 +, Camaleón wrote:
Does your printer integrate a PDF interprerter? The ones I managed
do not, just PCL6 and PostScript.
No, it does not. Does it need to? This subthread began with the
statement that
On Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 15:03:26 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:39:40 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Sun 29 Jul 2012 at 14:11:22 +, Camaleón wrote:
Does your printer integrate a PDF interprerter? The ones I managed
do not, just PCL6 and PostScript.
No, it does not.
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On 23/07/12 20:30, green wrote:
I do wish there were more hardware manufacturers with a real interest in
making their products work well with Linux. HP is the best I have seen:
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html
I have had
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:33:34 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Mon 30 Jul 2012 at 15:03:26 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:39:40 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Sun 29 Jul 2012 at 14:11:22 +, Camaleón wrote:
Does your printer integrate a PDF interprerter? The ones I
managed do not,
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 15:45:44 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:17:22 +0100, Brian wrote:
Anyway: a PostScript printer has a PostScript interpreter; a PCL printer
has a PCL interpreter; a PDF printer has a PDF interpreter. They accept
print jobs sent directly to them in the
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:29:22 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 15:45:44 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:17:22 +0100, Brian wrote:
Anyway: a PostScript printer has a PostScript interpreter; a PCL
printer has a PCL interpreter; a PDF printer has a PDF interpreter.
On Sun 29 Jul 2012 at 14:11:22 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:29:22 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 15:45:44 +, Camaleón wrote:
Does your printer integrate a PDF interprerter? The ones I managed do
not, just PCL6 and PostScript.
No, it does not. Does
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:26:05 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 16:21:42 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:43:24 +0100, Brian wrote:
Its a balance. Pros and cons. With a PDF printer:
Define a PDF printer. What's that?
(...)
Because until now I have not seen a
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 10:58:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:26:05 +0100, Brian wrote:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/review/1956699/review-hp-laserjet-cp4525-colour-printer
Uh, what is this link for? :-?
You didn't read all of the content? It matches your 1/. Here is
another
On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:49:53 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 10:58:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:26:05 +0100, Brian wrote:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/review/1956699/review-hp-laserjet-cp4525-colour-printer
Uh, what is this link for? :-?
You didn't read
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 13:37:22 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:49:53 +0100, Brian wrote:
It matches your 1/. Here is another one:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/18972-18972-3328060-15077-236268-3965798-3965802-3965808.html?dnr=1
Ah, you must be
On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:17:22 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 at 13:37:22 +, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
But I already knew there are printers in the market that direct print
to PDF (as well as options 2/ and 3/ are also possible). I did not
asked about that. I asked what *you* were
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 à 23:14 +0100, Brian a écrit :
I'll take the 'whatever'.
lp -d print_queue -o raw test.ps
goes to the printer (the machine) without any filtering and gives a nice
printout if the machine understands PostScript.
lp -d print_queue -o raw test.pdf
also
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:26:37 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Thu 26 Jul 2012 at 17:10:12 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:27:26 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
No, while PDF does perhaps allow such things, it's far far better
than PostScript.
(...)
PostScript is a languge for
On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 12:00:34 +0200, Gaël DONVAL wrote:
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 à 23:14 +0100, Brian a écrit :
I'll take the 'whatever'.
lp -d print_queue -o raw test.ps
goes to the printer (the machine) without any filtering and gives a nice
printout if the machine
On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 14:15:56 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:26:37 +0100, Brian wrote:
Roger Leigh gave a good explanation of the role played by PDF in the
CUPS printing process on Debian. You snipped most of it, including this:
A native PDF workflow is far, far
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:43:24 +0100, Brian wrote:
On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 14:15:56 +, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
How can be that adding an extra step (which increases time and
resources) is something good? And good for who (developers,
printers or users)?
Its a balance. Pros and cons. With
On Fri 27 Jul 2012 at 16:21:42 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:43:24 +0100, Brian wrote:
Its a balance. Pros and cons. With a PDF printer:
Define a PDF printer. What's that?
1/ A physical device (printer) with physical PDF interpreter on it (PDF
add-on card)?
2/ A
Le mercredi 25 juillet 2012 à 21:34 +0100, Brian a écrit :
On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote:
On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote:
All the
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote:
On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote:
All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
output in PDF
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 02:39:29PM +, Camaleón wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
No major application on the popular DEs outputs PostScript when
printing.
I was trying to point out that a PS printer is also a PDF printer.
And better than PDF, I'd
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:27:26 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 02:39:29PM +, Camaleón wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
No major application on the popular DEs outputs PostScript when
printing.
I was trying to point out that a PS
On Thu 26 Jul 2012 at 13:03:32 +0200, Gaël DONVAL wrote:
Le mercredi 25 juillet 2012 à 21:34 +0100, Brian a écrit :
On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
I was trying to point out that a PS printer is also a PDF printer.
Are you using the word 'printer' to
On Thu 26 Jul 2012 at 17:10:12 +, Camaleón wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:27:26 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
No, while PDF does perhaps allow such things, it's far far better than
PostScript.
(...)
PostScript is a languge for machines not for human beings. It does not
have to be
On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote:
All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
output in PDF format when printing.
PDF is kind of a subset of PostScript ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdf#PostScript
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote:
All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
output in PDF format when printing.
PDF is kind of a subset of PostScript ;)
On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote:
On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote:
All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
output in PDF format when printing.
PDF is kind of a subset of
On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 23:23:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 25 iul 12, 21:18:19, Brian wrote:
On Wed 25 Jul 2012 at 18:02:11 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 23 iul 12, 18:05:45, Brian wrote:
All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
output
All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to
output in PDF format when printing.
Yes but CUPS should handle that for you automatically.
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Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27 +0200] wrote:
Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses
100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on
using it even if the manufacturer decides to cease support of the
printer.
I suggest buying a PostScript
On 07/23/2012 07:47 AM, Registros Web wrote:
Hi all,
Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses
100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on
using it even if the manufacturer decides to cease support of the
printer.
If you buy a printer that
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Teemu Likonen tliko...@iki.fi wrote:
Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27 +0200] wrote:
Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses
100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on
using it even if the manufacturer
On 7/23/2012 6:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:
I suggest buying a PostScript printer with ethernet connection.
LEXMARK E260dn, monochrome laser:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828106506
$150 USD
LEXMARK C540n, color laser:
...but how would one print with a word processor written to look for the
printer on a printer port under the Ethernet suggestion below?
Karen
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Registros Web wrote:
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Teemu Likonen tliko...@iki.fi wrote:
Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27
...but how would one print with a word processor written to look for the
printer on a printer port under the Ethernet suggestion below?
Karen
Not sure whether I understood you well. But on most systems, one use
CUPS to manage printing stuff. You just have to add your ethernet
printer to the
Registros Web:
PostScript sounds great guys but, how do I now if a printer is a
PostScript printer? Do you know of any brand that makes then?
Postscript compatibility should always be listed in the printer's specs.
It is probably not written on the box in bold letters, but the
manufacturer's
Stan Hoeppner [2012-07-23 06:59:32 -0500] wrote:
On 7/23/2012 6:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:
I suggest buying a PostScript printer with ethernet connection.
LEXMARK E260dn, monochrome laser:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828106506
$150 USD
LEXMARK C540n, color
On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 14:11:57 +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
A fair number of printers that do postscript are actually ghostscript
printers. Technically, ghostscript is nonfree, but when I investigated a
while ago, each version of ghostscript remanins proprietary for about two
years, and is
On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 08:29:49 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
On 07/23/2012 07:47 AM, Registros Web wrote:
Hi all,
Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses
100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on
using it even if the manufacturer
On 07/23/2012 07:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:
Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27 +0200] wrote:
Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses
100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on
using it even if the manufacturer decides to cease support of
On 07/23/2012 07:51 AM, Registros Web wrote:
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Teemu Likonentliko...@iki.fi wrote:
Registros Web [2012-07-23 12:47:27 +0200] wrote:
Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses
100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can
Stan Hoeppner wrote at 2012-07-23 06:59 -0500:
On 7/23/2012 6:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:
I suggest buying a PostScript printer with ethernet connection.
LEXMARK E260dn, monochrome laser:
I purchased a Lexmark E360dn, hoping for good Linux support. It prints
nicely, but does not give a
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 14:30 -0500, green wrote:
HP is the best I have seen:
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html
I only can speak for an outdated DeskJet 600. For this kind of low
quality printer you can get very good prints, if you find the Gutenprint
driver, which can take
PS:
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 22:28 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 14:30 -0500, green wrote:
HP is the best I have seen:
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html
I only can speak for an outdated DeskJet 600. For this kind of low
quality printer you can get very
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