[digitalradio] Re: FCC's Riley Cross Clarify

2007-06-03 Thread expeditionradio
kd4e wrote: It is now a closed issue at the FCC - *every* station *must* prevent QRM of other stations. Period. No exceptions. I guess that's the end of DX contesting in USA? Bonnie KQ6XA

Re: [digitalradio] HFLINK Comments to ARRL on Development of New HF Digital Comm Protocols]

2007-06-03 Thread Rick
The ARRL has come under criticism in the past because it did not provide enough input from the membership and I suspect that they are opening up this line of communication from the members to even ask the questions to determine what it is that we want (or not want), before they start making

[digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread Skip Teller
Bruce, the center frequency of my skeleton-slot design is 144.2 MHz, as it is specifically intended for SSB operation. The Jaybeam was a commercial implementation of the skeleton-slot which it used as a driver with rows of reflectors and directors aligned with the top and bottom driven

Re: [digitalradio] Digest Number 3496

2007-06-03 Thread Skip Teller
Conventional wisdom has it that the horizontal polarization of television signals was established to prevent having a net on top of every house that would trap and injure birds. Here is another theory from: http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/2001/horizontal_bol.html The only

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread bruce mallon
--- Skip Teller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, the center frequency of my skeleton-slot design is 144.2 MHz, as it is specifically intended for SSB operation. INTERESTING I could not remember the name it's been too long but the antenna worked as good as stacked 7 elm cushcrafts back

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Original Message Follows From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:14:08 -0700 (PDT) --- Skip Teller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Bruce, When are you ever going to stop your babling ignorance about wide band HSMM on 6-meters? You are worried about 100 kHz when the band maybe opens in a few years out of a 4,000 kHz wide band. Get real! Attach brain to keyboard. I am getting very tired of reading about something you know

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread bruce mallon
NO you better get real 1% of all hams do not need 90% of a band ANY BAND . 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
You better work on your math, Bruce! A 100 kHz channel in 4 MHz is only 2.5% Original Message Follows From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols Date:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread Roger J. Buffington
John Champa wrote: Bruce, When are you ever going to stop your babling ignorance about wide band HSMM on 6-meters? You are worried about 100 kHz when the band maybe opens in a few years out of a 4,000 kHz wide band. Get real! Attach brain to keyboard. I am getting very tired of

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Roger, Thanks for the feedback, but it wasn't intended to be CIVIL, just as Bruce's uninformed rants about a mode he has never experienced are not intended to be anything but bothersome. I like Bruce when he sticks to something he knows about, but when he starts rambling on and on about some

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread bruce mallon
59.3 to 54.000 is 90% and if it was used by 17 stations is't usless to all others ... IM DONE --- John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You better work on your math, Bruce! A 100 kHz channel in 4 MHz is only 2.5% Original Message Follows From: bruce

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Brucey boy. HSMM is NETWORKED radio. Do you know what that means? It means that ALL stations... All stations are on the SAME 100 kHz segment, just as in APRS packet radio...all stations are on ONE frequency. Get it yet? So it's still 2.5% of the band, OK? Vy 73, John - K8OCL Original

RE: [digitalradio] Re: FCC's Riley Cross Clarify

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Very cute, Bonnie! Obviously there are AT LEAST two sets of regulations 1. What is written in the books (CFR, etc.) 2. What is actually ENFORCED. Reference: The Sociology of Regulations by Bonnie Crystal, KQ6XA, as published in the Summer Issue, CQ-VHF Magazine. Thanks, John - K8OCL

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread Rick
John, It is you who are the offensive one. And you have done this a number of times on this group. Reasonable people do not win friends and influence people with that approach. No one with your vitriol should have remained in a leadership position with the ARRL Digital HSMM group and I wonder

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Bruce, You are just one big lovable DINOSAUR. Vy 73, John - K8OCL Original Message Follows From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols Date: Sun, 3 Jun

[digitalradio] Re: 6 meters digital

2007-06-03 Thread expeditionradio
I support efforts for new 100kHz bandwidth digital on 6 meters. It's about time hams do something interesting and new with 6 meters. In California and most of the western part of North America, 6 meters is 4MHz of Wasteland. 99% of the time, it is largely a vacant band of valuable VHF spectrum.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Rick, Unless you have had the opportunity to lead such an effort, it is you who should knock it off. Obviously you have never stepped into the heat. Lack the courage to lead, Rick? So you too are writing from a non-experienced position, non-leadership situation, just like my old friend Bruce?

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread Rick
John, Look at your continued choice of language! You just do not have a clue about leadership or you would never talk like that. You are intentionally polarizing and increase, rather than decrease opposition to what you think you are promoting. Be careful when you start to make claims of what

[digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you have had the opportunity to lead such an effort, it is you who should knock it off. That's wrong, John. A leader must not only accept, but actively solicit critique from everywhere, not

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Dave, What are you writing about? Sorry, but I am not leading anything! When I was I used the approach you suggest. But now I am NOT, so may I have your permission to speak my mind as I wish? Also, I am not selling anything either, nor trying to pursuade anybody of anything. Do it anyway you

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Rick, Go get a life. I am not leading or selling ANYTHING. I am telling you that from here the 6M band is DEAD. And, the 100 kHz segment I would like the Plan to set aside for HSMM testing is up around 53-54 MHz, and NOT on any frequencies that are set aside for weak signal, DXing, radio

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread bruce mallon
OK John You have had your say NOW MINE no rebuttals please.. ONE LAST TIME . 1st when did I EVER state I was a lawyer? As for ill informed how may receive stations did your 24/7/365 experiment use to show the lack of interference from your proposed mode ? ANSWER ONLY ONE and he was

[digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, What are you writing about? I was commenting on your post. Sorry, but I am not leading anything! When I was I used the approach you suggest. But now I am NOT, so may I have your

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 6 meters digital

2007-06-03 Thread bruce mallon
Bonnie NO ONE IS AFTER 6 METERS 100 khz wide is now legal abovee 219 so you have lots of room. You have never been on 6 or you have a junk station since this is the bottom of the cycle and 10 is not open either so lets take it too lets not forget 15, 12 and CB on one on them either EVEN if

[digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread Kurt
Don't know about anyone else, but I am tired of reading the messages between some here, and the bs that is passing back and forth. If you guys want to have a pissing contest, then why not do it with emails to each other, or take it to another forum. Kurt K8YZK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Comments to ARRL on New Digi Protocols

2007-06-03 Thread Kevin O'Rorke
Kurt wrote: Don't know about anyone else, but I am tired of reading the messages between some here, and the bs that is passing back and forth. If you guys want to have a pissing contest, then why not do it with emails to each other, or take it to another forum. Kurt K8YZK Yes

RE: [digitalradio] FCC's Riley Cross Clarify

2007-06-03 Thread John Champa
Suggestion? Don't hold your breath while you are waiting for this to happen (HI). Vy 73, John - K8OCL Original Message Follows From: kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] FCC's Riley Cross Clarify Date: