Re: [digitalradio] ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread Rick W
Hi Tony and group members, Based on the use (or non use) of ARQ modes for general ham use, suggests to me that they are going to be primarily used for messaging. This is something that we must have for public service/emergency communications, but there are relatively few who are oriented

[digitalradio] PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread Andy obrien
While I have seen how well ALE 400 works, I am not convinced that it is worth the effort to invest in activity due to the lack of other hams using the mode. While ALE400 make sense to me, I can't see hams, en masse , switching to it. I still think that a better option would be the increased

[digitalradio] DX presence on sked page increasing

2009-05-27 Thread Andy obrien
Users on now: DK1BX - K0ABC - K3UK - KB3CS - N7RP - SM3CCM - UA0BA - UA4HBW - W0FVR - W2FCP - W4DKS - W9FF - YB4IR Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread Jose A. Amador
I wonder what kind of investment is required. It has as many points as possible in common with sound card modes and only requires MultiPSK as terminal program. If I am not asking for a comparison between apples and oranges (I am not entirely convinced right now... 8-) ), maybe Tony could

RE: [digitalradio] PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread John Bradley
Andy wrote: . I still think that a better option would be the increased development of NBEMS PSK and MFSK with ARQ as implemented in FLDIGI. While perhaps not as robust as ALE 400 FAE , it is far more likely to be used by hams if there is more publicity about NBEMS. I always look

Re: [digitalradio] PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread Sholto Fisher
John, ALE400 is not the best mode for this, not because it is a poor mode, but because the user interface is very difficult to use and has turned off many potential operators. Is it difficult to use? I have honestly not found this to be true. I agree it is very different than what

[digitalradio] ALE-400 / minimum S/N

2009-05-27 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello to all, About S/N here are my measures: Lowest S/N (125 bauds ARQ FAE in ALE): - 6.5 dB(- 8.5 dB with many repetitions) Lowest S/N (50 bauds ARQ FAE in ALE400): - 11.5 dB(- 13.5 dB with many repetitions) The tests have been done with 30 characters message. The Tony's tests, as far as

[digitalradio] Re: One way propogation?

2009-05-27 Thread Thomas F. Giella NZ4O
The RF transmitted signal changes polarization repeatedly as it is refracted between the ionosphere and ground/ocean surface. A horizontally polarized signal radiated from a dipole can arrive at the receiver end with a polarization that is horizontal, vertical and even elliptical. Therefore

[digitalradio] HF RTTY help

2009-05-27 Thread Christopher K. Greenhalgh
Hello all! Newbie to the group, and to HF RTTY as well, and have a question... My equipment is an Icom 746 Pro interfaced with a Kantronics KAM+. The terminal software is XPWare. I'm an old school packeteer, so I know I have every thing installed correctly (it works fine on the VHF side) and I

[digitalradio] Re: HF RTTY help

2009-05-27 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Almost certainly you are in the wrong setting and thus not decoding. If your rig is in USB, try changing it to LSB. Alternatively, if you software has a normal and reverse setting (or inverse) toggle those settings and you should be all set Andy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com,

RE: [digitalradio] HF RTTY help

2009-05-27 Thread W5XR
Try reversing the polarity, or switch to LSB. Bob, W5XR From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher K. Greenhalgh Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:29 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] HF RTTY help Hello

Re: [digitalradio] HF RTTY help

2009-05-27 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Christopher K. Greenhalgh ch...@n8wct.com wrote: From: Christopher K. Greenhalgh ch...@n8wct.com Subject: [digitalradio] HF RTTY help To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:29 PM Hello all! Newbie to the group, and to HF RTTY as well, and

[digitalradio] Re: ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread Bill McLaughlin
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Bradley jbrad...@... wrote: Hey man you are preaching to the choir!!! ALE400 is a great mode, even at higher latitudes such as I am. Now if we can only convince people to give it a try. John VE5MU Echo, preaching to the choir! I

Re: [digitalradio] PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread Rick W
With any new mode or system, I tend to factor it with a view toward public service. But that does not mean it should not be used for what the majority of hams use day to day. Anything you are familiar with and use regularly will have much more value than something that is only used

RE: [digitalradio] PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread John Bradley
you are right I do like multipsk and particularly ALE400. Works well in to the noise . I don't find it hard to use, but I have spent some time using the software and am not intimidated by the user interface. When I try to encourage others to try it out , their first reaction is that the

Re: [digitalradio] PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread Andy obrien
I'll agree with John, while many here will find ALE400 easy to tackle, many average hams will be intimidated by an unfamiliar process. That is why Skip Teller's concepts behind NBEMS are good, using mode that many hams use everyday. Andy K3UK On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM, John Bradley

[digitalradio] Re: PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread Bill McLaughlin
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote: I'll agree with John, while many here will find ALE400 easy to tackle, many average hams will be intimidated by an unfamiliar process. That is why Skip Teller's concepts behind NBEMS are good, using mode that many hams use

RE: [digitalradio] Re: PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread John Bradley
I live at a higher latitude than many folks in the US and find that PSK is susceptible to aurora flutter/multipath more often than most modes. There are time up here that nothing will decode PSK despite the fact the band is open and active. I'm not technically competent enough to say why, but

Re: [digitalradio] Re: PSK-ARQ versus ALE-400

2009-05-27 Thread Andy obrien
I find Multipsk easy to use , although ALE400 is more complicated than other modes in Multipsk. However, many hams that I introduce to digital modes , via demos, are taken aback by Multipsk, they find it too intimidating. FL-digi seems to be gaining ground because it is perceived as easier to