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From: John B. Stephensen
Date: 24/02/2010 04:05:25
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
In order for amateurs in the U.S. to use any RTTY/data mode other than
Baudot, ASCII or AMTOR over 2FSK they must be able to point
My DELETE button HAS been getting a workout this week... ;-)
Wes W1LIC
From: Toby Burnett ruff...@hebrides.net
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 4:48:34 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US
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From: ocypret
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 03:04 UTC
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, ocypret n5...@... wrote:
So what's the consensus, is ROS
to see
whether people comply.
73,
John
KD6OZH
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From: Dave Ackrill
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 20:48 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
John B. Stephensen wrote:
A member
I agree,
and wager 6 months from now hardly anyone will be using ROS. And for those who
say im gonna use it regardless of the FCC reply, well go ahead, start saving
for your fine.
73 Buddy WB4M
For the love of god, (just an expression)
Will everyone please stop
On 02/23/2010 06:14 PM, jose alberto nieto ros wrote:
John, the only person in the world who know what is ROS is the person
who have created it. And the creator say that ROS is a FSK of 144 tones
with a Viterbi FEC Coder and a header of synchronization.
Last week, you said that ROS was spread
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, ocypret n5...@... wrote:
So what's the consensus, is ROS legal in the US or not?
it seems to be whatever you want !
david/wd4kpd
Only the ARRL technical staff has ruled it to be spread spectrum and
therefore not legal on HF under FCC jurisdiction. However, the FCC
itself has not ruled yet, so it may still be found to be legal. We will
not know until the FCC issues an opinion. My personal guess is that they
will say it
The FCC has stated , today, that IF the author describes it as spread
spectrum, the USA ham is responsible for determining the accuracy of this
claim. They also affirmed that SS is not legal below 220 Mhz. The ARRL
technical folks said today that , based on the description available, they
Next step is to formally petition the FCC to allow SS if the bandwidth
does not exceed 3000 Hz, or the width of a SSB phone signal.
Mark Miller, N5RFX, has experience in submitting petitions to the FCC,
and had one granted. In case anyone wishes to pursue this further, he
may be able to
KH6TY wrote:
Only the ARRL technical staff has ruled it to be spread spectrum and
therefore not legal on HF under FCC jurisdiction. However, the FCC
itself has not ruled yet, so it may still be found to be legal. We will
not know until the FCC issues an opinion. My personal guess is that
Thank you Andy ..
This has been the point of many [posters here all along. It is only considered
spread spectrum because the author claimed it so, not because it is technically
so. Jose, are you hearing us? because of the way your program operates an SSB
transmitter, it should be defined
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Enviado: mié,24 febrero, 2010 00:06
Asunto: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
Thank you Andy ..
This has been the point of many [posters here all along. It is only considered
spread spectrum because the author claimed it so, not because it is technically
so. Jose
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Enviado: mié,24 febrero, 2010 00:06
Asunto: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
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Thank you Andy ..
This has been the point of many [posters here all along. It is only
considered spread spectrum because the author claimed it so, not because
John wrote:
Can you offer us some help here Jose? (like maybe recheck if it really is
spread spectrum vs FSK) and re-write your description?
Unfortunately John, you cannot so easily put the genie back into the bottle.
This is why I think you now need your own Yahoo Group to debate these
febrero, 2010 00:06
Asunto: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
Thank you Andy ..
This has been the point of many [posters here all along. It is only considered
spread spectrum because the author claimed it so, not because it is technically
so. Jose, are you hearing us
-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:14:07 + (GMT)
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
John, the only person in the world who know what is ROS is the person who
have created it. And the creator say that ROS
John wrote:
Thanks Jose ..
Now with that cleared up, can you make those corrections / re-definitions to
your distributed documentation to reflect that it is indeed FSK rather than
spread spectrum? That little detail from you, the author of the program, is
what is causing such an
.
Thanks.
De: John ke5h...@...
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: mié,24 febrero, 2010 00:06
Asunto: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
Â
Thank you Andy ..
This has been the point of many [posters here all along
how work.
De: John ke5h...@taylorent.com
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: mié,24 febrero, 2010 00:51
Asunto: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
Thanks again Jose,
I have all your documentation (current only) and I think
Hi HI Dave ..
Unfortunately, you may indeed be right.
As my posts on this topic speak for themselves, I never once stated either way
if it was or was not legal. My question all along has been, did the law against
the use of spread spectrum even apply in this case at all, based on what the
John wrote:
This should easily provide any US amateur plenty of backup to be able to show
good faith that he is operating within the US FCC rules.
I think that you may be ignoring me John, and possibly for good reasons.
However, and I do hate to be a wet blanket, but your opponents in the
with software written outside the
U.S.
73,
John
KD6OZH
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From: KH6TY
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 22:59 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
Next step is to formally petition the FCC
Dave,
It is probably wrong to assume that there are any groups opposed to
using ROS in the US. I don't see that at all. US hams generally try to
follow the FCC regulations as best they can, and if they are not sure
what they mean, they ask. If the reply is not to their liking, that is
too
John wrote:
Hi HI Dave ..
Unfortunately, you may indeed be right.
As my posts on this topic speak for themselves, I never once stated either
way if it was or was not legal. My question all along has been, did the law
against the use of spread spectrum even apply in this case at all,
: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com
, ocypret n5...@... wrote:
So what's the consensus, is ROS legal in the US or not?
it seems to be whatever you want !
david/wd4kpd
So sorry Dave
IN my country, it is still an expression of respect. Here we go with those
pesky language barriers again ... HiHi
I will try to be more irreverent, condescending, or rude when addressing you in
the future . LOL
John
KE5HAM
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave
: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
The FCC has stated , today, that IF the author describes it as spread
spectrum, the USA ham is responsible for determining the accuracy of this
claim. They also affirmed that SS is not legal below 220 Mhz. The ARRL
technical folks said today
John wrote:
So sorry Dave
IN my country, it is still an expression of respect. Here we go with those
pesky language barriers again ... HiHi
I will try to be more irreverent, condescending, or rude when addressing you
in the future . LOL
John
KE5HAM
Please do,
I appreciate
I thought only the old Dinosaur modes used vertebrae coding?
Sorry, couldn't resist!
K7TMG
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, W2XJ w...@... wrote:
I have a different take on this. There are a number of modes that uses
vertebrae coding which could be mis-described as spread spectrum by
OK, I am starting to agree with Dave now and with Andy as before ... this
is starting to now become circular .
It has now been solidly established that ROS is FSK, NOT SS, by the authors own
words.
The author NEVER approached the FCC for an OPINION about his unfinished
work at all.
this is done the
problem will be solved.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: John
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 03:41 UTC
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
OK, I am starting to agree with Dave now
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