Hi all,
I discussed the matter with the clients project manager and he said
there was no way the boss would change his mind. So I did what he
asked and moved on.
Thank you again for your input, it does feel better knowing that it
seems to happen all the time and you cannot always get it your
I wouldn't go for tome left. The % done and the time elapsed will give a
quite good approximation when it comes to file up/downloads. We are good at
approximating time, if it took 2 min for 25% theres a good chance it will
take another 6 minutes for the rest, time for a quick coffee...
But it
For a brilliant example of the importance of attention in vision you
should have a look at Prof Richard Wiseman's colour changing card trick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAntzB7EwE
Its a great illustration that just because your rentina sees
something doesn't mean you will see
On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Jeff White wrote:
Also - unless there is a large design team which is separate from
research staff, personas might not provide any extra value to those
doing research + design. Chances are they'll acquire any knowledge
from ethnography that a persona might
Jared already gave a pretty in-depth and accurate response. So, I'll
simply add a short response based on some additional experience.
On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:16 AM, Jeff White wrote:
The difference is that there are some situations in which personas
in general are not feasible or realistic,
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I think this discussion would progress faster if we were to define what
level of details you need to have a personas. Does a name and one goal
constitute a persona? In my mind yes, a persona is a collection of info
I have about the user population. The level of detail and the amount of
Hi Lukeisha,
I think you are starting off on the right foot. Having a Psychology
background is a big plus because it allows you to look at things from
a people perspective. Not sure where you live, but a good way to gain
a little more IxD experience is to volunteer in your local community
with
Lukeisha,
A few things come to mind...
First, find out if there is a local UPA (Usability Professionals
Association), CHI (Computer Human Interaction), or IxDA chapter in
your area. These organizations usually have monthly meetings which
include topical presentations that will get you exposed
-Original Message-
Once again, that just goes to show that we need more education on how
to create and properly use personas. Used properly, they are one of
our most useful tools. But like any other tool, used incorrectly, or
not at all, well, we all know what happens then. Bad data
On 11/27/07, Mike Scarpiello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think analyzing data using tools like Omniture and Coremetrics
should
fall under the user experience umbrella?
Just wondering.
Good question, Mike. At our consultancy, Web analytics falls under the
online marketing umbrella,
Bullocks. Personas don't take that much time to develop once you have
the data. And since you're going to collect data anyway, or you should
be, then what's an extra day or two to develop some personsa?
You assumed here that they were, in fact, going to collect the data
anyway. But that's the
Yes, I'm expecting that the design decisions have some data to back
them up, even if it's a quick and dirty gorilla method.
On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:
Bullocks. Personas don't take that much time to develop once you have
the data. And since you're going to
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Hi Frank,
I've had the same issues in several jobs. Given the premise that you've got
to display the info, there's a number of ways I've dealt with this in the
past, the best solution is always on a case by case basis:
1. Have Hide/Show options per column
2. Have initial columns fixed, then
Forgive me if I'm misinterpreting here...
I think Robert may be focusing on good design done w/o the use of
personas, which I completely agree is possible and very probable.
But that doesn't mean that *no* user centered research was conducted -
it just means they didn't use personas. Which I
Yes, this is my point. That good design done w/o any type of research
is rare. To think that it happens simply by chance is IMHO
shortsighted and naive. Furthermore, why take the risk? Why wouldn't
you inform your design by some research?
Speaking for myself and Messagefirst, every time
Sooo... at the risk of grossly oversimplifying...
a designer can:
1 be the target user/audience/market
2 already know the target user/audience/market (hopefully from real and
successful experience)
3 research the target user/audience/market and hopefully find a tool (persona)
to document and
I would take this a step further. Every time I/we do research we find out
something important that we did not know, or something to contradict our
assumptions. We often tell clients that research is worthwhile even if it only
confirms their understanding of the user, but it rarely does only
good design is much more probable when some sort of user
centered research (especially when designing for an audience other
than yourself) is conducted.
I agree with the rest of what you said, but again, why *user* centered, as
opposed to activity-centered or something else?
-r-
At 12:54 PM -0700 11/27/07, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:
good design is much more probable when some sort of user
centered research (especially when designing for an audience other
than yourself) is conducted.
I agree with the rest of what you said, but again, why *user* centered, as
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Yes, this is my point. That good design done w/o any type of research is
rare.
I assume you're talking specifically about interaction design. Am I right?
To think that it happens simply by chance is IMHO shortsighted and naive.
Furthermore, why take the risk? Why wouldn't you inform your
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I heartily endorse Derek's comments. Note also that there should be
an update to the W3C's WAI-ARIA (Web Accessibility Initiative -
Accessible Rich Internet Applications) suite coming soon.
http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria
ARIA support is a little vague at the moment - Opera and Firefox are
both
For some users saving a page is a way to take ownership over something
that to many seems very elusive and temporary. Younger or more
internet-dependent users seem to have a if it's online, it will always be
there framing to their web experience. Providing users with a Save
feature is almost
Dude - you were sooo doing research. ;-)
On Tuesday, November 27, 2007, at 03:24PM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's look at an example. I recently visited the WTC site and spent a couple
of of hours reflecting, taking pictures, etc. Since leaving there, I've had
quite a few
Or ACD. :)
As a profession, we need more choices. Rather, we need to *recognize*
the choices that are already out there whether they fit into a UCD
mold or not, and at least be willing to believe there is more than one
way to skin the proverbial cat.
-r-
Sent from my iPhone.
On Nov 27,
(Like Scott, I'm new to the group...)
I'm really impressed with the way Flickr.com deals with it. For 2
months now, they have a multiple image-uploader. Wich gives you
realtime feedback. Check:
http://blog.eight.nl/assets/2007/10/17/Picture_6-1.jpg
It gives you useful information and little
Sounds like you have something interesting in the works Robert. Here's
where I stand, and maybe it is semantics we're tripping over...
You can come up with an idea or product concept from anywhere - no UCD
needed for sure. But UCD is an excellent idea when it comes time to
designing the nuts and
Dude - you were sooo doing research. ;-)
Like, totally :-)
I feel like we do have choices Robert. There's UCD, under that
umbrella are tons of tools, techniques etc at your disposal - no one
is saying there is one way to conduct UCD. There's also usage centered
design. There are lots of other
I still think this discussion is missing a super-critical point.
Personas are not just about design. Personas are about focus. It's
great if a company has time and money to do full, data-driven
personas. That takes time and planning and a lot of work (see
ginormous book I wrote with
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i worked on a social networking site that also had video uploading and
sharing.
we implemented a real time uploading system that displayed a progress
bar/feedback mechanism that:
- displayed a visual horizontal progress bar along with a % indicator
that updated as the upload progressed
-
On Nov 27, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:
I suppose you could argue that these conversations were research,
but they really weren't. They didn't lead me to figuring out how the
site should work, they just led to the idea.
And it is. Just because you didn't intend to go
I feel like we do have choices Robert. There's UCD, under that
umbrella are tons of tools, techniques etc at your disposal - no one
is saying there is one way to conduct UCD.
Lots of people on this list have said similar things, but then many continue
beating the persona stick to death as
I still don't buy there's anything to this activity-based design stuff.
Care to elaborate? You can't just spit out something like that and run off.
;) What is it that bothers you about it?
In the end, it's all about having information to make informed design
decision, no matter what stupid
Do you think analyzing data using tools like Omniture and Coremetrics
should
fall under the user experience umbrella?
Definitely falls under UX. So much can be learned about human behavior from
stats, it's unreal. And stats don't lie, which is more than we can say about
humans (even when
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No flames from me Tamara:
I think you have very eloquently explained the importance of how
implementing the persona process in a company that has not embraced a User
Centered design culture can help with the communication process between the
various departments and can reduce the us vs them
On Nov 27, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Tamara Adlin wrote:
Let the flames commence.
Nah, now we're just going in circles.
:)
Jared
Jared M. Spool
User Interface Engineering
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At 6:10 PM -0700 11/27/07, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:
Do you think analyzing data using tools like Omniture and Coremetrics
should
fall under the user experience umbrella?
Definitely falls under UX. So much can be learned about human behavior from
stats, it's unreal. And stats don't lie,
I know I'm asking for a war here, but let's try it anyway. I think if we
came up with a common definition of what a UCD process looks like, it would
be a lot easier to settle some of these debates.
Some have said UCD simply means keeping the user at the forefront of your
attention while doing
Thanks everyone for your very helpful comments and suggestions. I'm
very glad to have joined you all here at IxDA!! I am very excited,
and will definitely pursue some of the recommendations you all
provided.
I'm in the North East New Jersey Mid/downtown New York City areas.
So, if anyone can
Well... if you want something more like a proper definition, UPA comes
up with a simple one: User-centered design (UCD) is an approach to
design that grounds the process in information about the people who
will use the product. UCD processes focus on users through the
planning, design and
Definitely! The huge project I am working on right now - Coremetrics
falls under the Experience Design group.
will evans
user experience architect
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
617.281.1281
On Nov 27, 2007, at 8:10 PM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Do you think analyzing data using
Every once in a while our list becomes possessed by the ghost of
Escher and we get caught in an infinite recursive loop.
will evans
user experience architect
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
617.281.1281
On Nov 27, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Jared M. Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007, at 6:04 PM,
I did elaborate when we talked about it here: http://ixda.org/
discuss.php?post=13134 (scroll down to December 26 at 2:44pm). My
opinion hasn't changed in 11 months.
This (hybrid) quote from you is, I think, the heart of it:
An example would be the activity of ordering a blood test in a
Your example is not stats. A sample set of 6 is called anecdote.
Turning it into a percentage is not stats. Their I'd no amount of
boostrapping that will make it so either. If you are not using a
statician fluent in regression analysis and using spss or SAS - then
you cannot lay claim to
Hmmm Robert - I know a word can be defined - but not a process. We are
not disagreeing, and to some extent what matters is if the UCD process
a company is yielding positive results. Many who I have heard deride
ucd are either using a bad, broken, cheap process or have no idea what
a I've
Sorry about the spelling -
will evans
user experience architect
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
617.281.1281
On Nov 27, 2007, at 10:07 PM, William Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your example is not stats. A sample set of 6 is called anecdote.
Turning it into a percentage is not stats. Their I'd no
Well, that kinda sucks they continue beating a certain flavor of UCD
to death. One key concept of UCD, to me, is there is never a magic
formula for doing it. Everything, as with any form of design, is a
matter of context - goals, resources, time, etc. I've used personas
throughout 5% of my career
Hi Katie,
You said it all. =)
If you want someone to believe what you're saying, find a number that seems
to support it.
Although I don't like to give numbers for a lot of the IA/UX work I
do, but in the business / Corporate environment, without numbers , you
cannot sell or get funding or
I'm too drained from the personas thread. Can we take a week off? Kidding.
I'll take the easy way out and refer to UPAs definition, which I think
is a very good one:
http://www.upassoc.org/usability_resources/about_usability/what_is_ucd.html
Please note - they *suggest* activities for the 4
I'm aware that this is not what people think of when they think of
stats. But the fact of the matter is that if you are simply given the
final number -- 33% of all co-eds in a certain year married
professors -- very few people are likely to question the underlying
data. But what I think is
Hi Everyone,
It's hard to believe that December is upon us again! It's a season for
everyone to get together and remember the year, and you can bet the NYC-UX
community is celebrating! There's also a great registration offer for the
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Details:
On 28/11/2007, Mark Schraad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had a professor that loved to tell us that statistics were invented
in order to legitimize social sciences... cause they weren't 'real'
science.
Mark
Mark, this just shows how little they knew about the history of statistical
theory
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