I cannot keep quiet any longer! :)
What is all the noise about microphone compatibility? We are radio
amateurs, it should be simple enough to wire a microphone for a rig.
Just look at the pin outs on the mic and the rig and wire accordingly.
The circuitry is not exactly complex!
If we buy
CB rigs are much easier. They come with a microphone. :-)
73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:23:07 +, Ian J Maude wrote:
I cannot keep quiet any longer! :)
What is all the noise about microphone compatibility? We are
radio
amateurs, it should be simple enough to wire a microphone
No, Ian, the mess of conflicting plug standards has not always been the case.
There was a time when a 4 pin mic plug had pin one as mic and 2 as ptt and 3 as
gnd. Johnson, Heath, and all the other xmitter makers AGREED.
There was a time ... still somewhat with us... when the 6 pin Molex was
The real AH ratings for batteries ... the kind we're referring to
in this topic ... are difficult to learn. Most automotive-related
ratings are specified incranking amperes, and this is -not- the
rating that of interest here. It's consumer hype.
I'm retired from an electric utility's
Mic 'standard' - never happen - at least I hope it never happens.
They started out with one pin for audio and could end up with one pin for
everything as more and more 'brains' are moved into the microphone and the
connection to the radio turns into a one-wire serial link. This could give
us
Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
Hi Charles,
We have been using this pin out for microphones on our rigs since we
introduced the K2 nine years ago. It is 100% compatible with Kenwood
dynamic microphones in addition to ours.
I've been using Heil headsets since they first came
In a message dated 2/13/08 5:45:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There was a time when a 4 pin mic plug had pin one as mic and 2 as ptt and
3 as gnd. Johnson, Heath, and all the other xmitter makers AGREED.
When was that?
I've had Johnson transmitters that used the
What we must remember, Stewart, is that the radio amateurs of today are
a different breed from those when we took out our licences. The
qualifications are different and some newly licensed amateurs are little
more than CB or 'appliance' operators.
Indeed, the K3 itself does not require any
Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
We have been using this pin out for microphones on our rigs since we
introduced the K2 nine years ago.
And if nothing else, the K3 manual has been out since September or October.
While we all waited (and continue to) for our K3s, there's been plenty of
Charles Harpole wrote:
The telephone style plug now arriving on so many rigs answers the
manufacturers' dream because they are so difficult to self-install
that the customer is nearly forced to purchase specific mics ... THEIR
LINE.
I have to disagree with you here. Making adapters for
Hi,
I was looking at the Clifton Laboratories (Jack
Smith)website and comparing his panoramic adapter to
TelepostInc (Larry Phipps) LP-PAN.
It seems to me that the Clifton Laboratories adapter
is a sophisticated spectrum analyzer with a lot of
well developed software and requisite electronics.
Dave:
I'll leave it to Larry to announce his pricing strategy when he is
ready. Until then, I would take the $300-$500 estimate as completely
uninformed speculation for the reasons you well articulate.
Jack K8ZOA
Dave-Boat Guy wrote:
Hi,
I was looking at the Clifton Laboratories (Jack
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Nice advertisement.
As far as I know Larry hasn't released the pricing for the LP-PAN and
the numbers you quote were just thinking out loud by Bill, W4ZV.
It's also not true that there is no software for the LP-PAN. PowerSDR
runs the Flex5K and
I had an email from Larry early on that suggested a price of around $150.
But, that was very tentative and I would not hold him to it. It does seem
much more realistic.
k4ia
Buck K3 #101
Fredericksburg, VA
**The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy
I am using a Heil Goldline with the Kenwood adapter cable. It works just
fine. I just set the MIC SEL setting to TPL with no Bias.
k4ia
Buck K3 #101
Fredericksburg, VA
**The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy
Awards. Go to AOL Music.
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:18:14 +
From: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] #309 first issues
-Front mic socket not compatible with any other mfg. that I can find.
I was wondering if anyone else had this experience
Hi Gary...
Right you are... I stand corrected ! The MC60
does play well with the K3... I've also used my
Behringer B1 to a Behringer UB802 mixer and then to
the line input on the rear panel. BTW - It took a bit
of fiddling to get the TX audio shaped the way I wanted
it. It is still
Thanks Don. I'm glad to hear that it's a classic symptom. Checking the
soldering was the first thing I was planning to do.
Thanks,
Gary N7HTS
Don Wilhelm wrote:
Gary,
That is the classic symptom of a poor soldered (or unsoldered)
connection.
If you can get it to fail (and keep it in a
Hi Joe:
I'm considering buying a K-2 with the N0SS amplifier keying circuit
already installed. I will not be running an amp but do plan on
installing the SSB board, internal antenna tuner, and battery. Will
the amp keying mod physically interfere with my planned installations? Thanks
The
Hi Joe,
I had a QSO with VP6DX last night on 17m and the K3s sounde great. I can't
wait to get mine.
73, Mike, N4GW
awaiting my K3
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Hi Gary...
Right you are... I stand corrected ! The MC60
does play
Jim,
Eric has already provided the answer that the Elecraft microphone pinout
is compatible with Kenwood dynamic mics. Those Kenwood wired mics that
have an internal preamp will likely *not* work.
I do not have any information about your particular cables, but...
One must know the
Hello,
A frequency spectrum display showing 5, 10, 20 kHz would be nice, but I
found that a simple display of my passband's several kHz can be quite
useful ... especially when I want to dial in the K3's manual notch on
some interfering target.
The idea is to simply use a waterfall display
What I have done with all my non-rig-specific microphones (2) and Heil
headset/mics (3) is to install a simple stereo 1/4 jack on them. Then I
have short pigtail adapters with the rig-correct mic plug on one end and a
1/4 stereo plug on the other. Makes it easy for going from one rig to
That does sound rather strange, did it fit the K2 (I you have one)?
There is a lot of depth in the K3s fitting, my connectors go 'home' before I
have to do the collar up, that is, the collar on my line sockets will slide
back up from the mating part. Screwing them on and making a good connection
David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
...
What's the correct name for these mic connectors?
Foster connector.
Gus Hansen
KB0YH
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Or look at the Elecraft assembly manual. A picture shows exactly how the
front panel mic connector should be positioned relative to the front panel
(Figure 37 on page 29 of the Revision D manual) and explains what to do if
there's any problem with it fitting as shown.
If you haven't used this
Worked them yesterday on 10-15-17-20 M bands CW and SSBK3s do sound very
good, indeed.makes it harder to wait
Let's seeorder was placed August 3..
John, N6AX
K3 S/N ???
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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:33:33 +
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K3 with Yet ANOTHER non-standard mic pin-out. Now ham radio has at least 4
...
After reading several responses to Charles' earlier post, and the above from
Huh? You saying they are not compatible physically?
The 8 pin socket (its a free socket, not a fixed plug) on my Heil, fits the
front plug of the K3.
What's the correct name for these mic connectors?
On 13/2/08 14:22, WS6X [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
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If you built the kit, you might not have mounted the front panel properly and
fully seated the mic connector. Go to
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Kit_Building and read the
tips under Front Panel and DSP. Check what is described about seating the
mic connector.
73,
Barry N1EU
Re VP6DX - they do sound good. Anyone know what mics and settings they are
using?
73 to all
Geoff
G3UCK
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when i wired both my k2 for Icom mics everything was working fine till.
I used the icom sm-8 .It also grabs dc from the up/down circuit to
power the mic, rather than using the dc bias on the audio line. Had
no audio and it took me a while to figure it all out..
and my k3 ( in my
Don,
Thank you for the really neato URL.
John[K7SVV]
G4WPW has compiled a lot of good information about many, many
microphones which can be found at http://www.qsl.net/g4wpw/date.html, or
use
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When I work DX, I like to listen to VFO B and VFO A at the same time, but
at different volume levels. I want to hear the DX call me on VFO A and I like
to find an open spot on VFO B where everyone is calling the DX station.
Can I do that with my K3? I don't see any obvious way, other
Roger.
The only way you can do this is with the KRX3 option.
73
Greg
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:56 AM
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Subject: [Elecraft] Listening to VFO A and VFO B
When I work DX,
Yes, I have been using this technique for a while and find it very
useful. It is very helpful in finding clear spots for calling in a
pile-up for example. I happen to be using HamScope 1.52, but
any of this ilk will work.
Doug
W6JD
-- Original message --
From: Alan D.
holy cow,,,
a $1.59 electret mic element from radio shack works GREAT with
all my icoms and my K2s and K3.
And where do the kenwood Icom and Yaesu Mics ( bob's ) come from
from companies that actually make microphones like Primo,
panasonic Foster in JA land. In EU Sennheiser...
John Reiser a écrit :
000384, and I put in my order on May 29th.
Hey !! That means they nearly ship June orders !
That's good news !
Given that K3 ordered now are targeted for May delivery, they now have 3
monthes to produce and ship 8 monthes of orders. M...
--
Laurent Ferracci,
I think the order volume after June was much less than the initial rush, so
that may be why they say they can do this. Of course I may be wrong.
Mike, N4GW
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John Reiser a écrit :
000384, and I put
Cliff,
A configuration I often use is to swing the paddle
around 180 degrees from how it is in the picture,
switch the menu to PDLr, hold the KX1 vertically in my
left hand, and send CW with my right hand. It feels
like an HT like this, and works well if you are
standing up and holding the KX1
Bill, NY9H wrote:
a $1.59 electret mic element from radio shack works GREAT with all my icoms
and my K2s and K3.
---
Yes, those Radio Shack electret elements are excellent. I have one mounted
in an scavenged hand-held mic housing that works FB. The element has a
Hello,
Just worked
VP6DX on 18165.8 @ 20:44 UTC QSX 18154.0
Worked with K2 @ 5w and Ground Mounted Butternut HF9V with 120 radials and
lot of ice on the ground.
When I said I was QRP he told me that I was a good 59+ 5dB over.
Happy Dance
72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
Hello,
Just worked the following on 15m
VP6DX @ 20:21 UTC on 21.295 up5
Worked with QRP 5w and beam!!!
Happy Dance
72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
www.wb3aal.com
www.n3epa.org/
K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN 01392
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I haven't switched my K3 off since assembling it on November 12th, so it's been
humming away for 3 months non-stop on digital modes, currently SSTV on 80m. I
have a full set of filters, using 1.8kHz at the moment for SSTV.
Just thought I would say this, taking a break from Hilbert Transforms...
Barry,
I'd add one more development that I feel is necessary. Software
that interfaces to rigs over the single RS-232 port need to learn
to play with each other.
That is not an application software matter - it is something the
radio manufacturers will need to fix in their CAT
Hi,
I am on a roll.
Just worked
E51WWA on 18072.9 @ 21:13 UTC
Easy with 5 watts and K2 with the Ground Mounted Butternut HF9V with 120
radials.
72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
www.wb3aal.com
www.n3epa.org/
K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN 01392
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Hi,
The K2 is working great!!
Just worked E51WWA with the EPA QRP Club call, N3EPA.
K2 @ 0.9 watts and the ground mounted Butternut HF9V and 120 radials.
Worked him on the 1st call.
7453 Miles Per Watt
72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
www.wb3aal.com
www.n3epa.org/
K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN
I apologize for the OT bandwidth ...
It appears that in the transition to a new ISP about 180 messages
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] may have
been lost. If you have sent me a message and not received a reply,
please do so again.
The address is new and is a change from
Ron:
I got him on 15 with 5 Watts and a 40 meter dipole.
K2 mojo
Happy Dance!
73,
Steve
AA4AK
At 03:39 PM 2/13/2008, Ron Polityka wrote:
Hello,
Just worked the following on 15m
VP6DX @ 20:21 UTC on 21.295 up5
Worked with QRP 5w and beam!!!
Happy Dance
72 and Thanks,
Ron
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I changed my Inp from Pdn to Hnd to test out my hand key. When I
changed back to Pdn only the Dits side responds. The Dah side doesn't
produce anything (yes, the paddle works outside the K1).
While in Hnd mode I plugged in my hand key with a mono
The way to do this is to allow one program to talk to the K3 and support
other programs via virtual serial ports. I do this with Ham Radio Deluxe,
other programs talk to HRD via DDE, serial comms and soon via TCP/IP.
HRD talks Kenwood via the virtual serial port.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
...
That is not an application software matter - it is something the
radio manufacturers will need to fix in their CAT implementations.
There is not a single radio that is capable- in either hardware
or software - of reliably servicing two different radio control
In a recent message, Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
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again.
Sorry Ken Rose, but because
Tony:
Check the firmware notes in the errata sheet for the owners manual. I
don't think channel hopping has been incorporated yet.
73,
Ken K3IU
N2TK wrote:
Is there a way to store 60M channels like in the K2? Right now I have them
programmed in memory locations 00-04. To change channels I
Is there is setting on the KX1 to adjust which side of the
accompanying paddle is dits and which side are dahs?
Yes. I accidentally wired my paddle backwards to the way I use it, so I
just went to the menu and selected inverted.
Alos, I have noticed this listserv is now mainly a K3
Is there a way to store 60M channels like in the K2? Right now I have them
programmed in memory locations 00-04. To change channels I need to enter
MV, pick a channel then hit MV again.
Is there a way like the K2 where when I hit the band switch to 60M I use
VFO A to turn to the different
Was wondering if Elecraft will be at the Charlotte, NC hamfest coming up
March 8,9??? Hope to eyeball the K3 there. Got my order in in Jan. W4EQ
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Now there's a thought!
And instead of plain CW, I think that I can send (audio) CW at whatever
waterfall frequency I select. Think it'll only work if I use the
keyboard for generating the CW though. Copy by ear as usual, or just let
HRD help out since I'm already at the same frequency.
Ron about the time when the famous D-104 was in every shack with a vy
wide and rather flat response... Astatic also sold a10-C (ceramic) and the
10-D (dynamic) elements/mics that were shaped for voice with a peak in the mid
VOICE range. I still have my 10-C and the Astatic paper
That's good Mike, I can't wait for my K3 to arrive so I can wsjt on 6m EME,
I'm keen to see how good the RX is.
73
Andy
http://gd0tep.com
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The way to do this is to allow one program to talk to the K3
and support other programs via virtual serial ports.
No, every program needs to know the radio status at all times.
If one program changes a setting that a second program relies
on without notification, nasty things can happen.
Hi,
Now convinced that my XV50 is working OK. Currently listening (watching)
W7GJ calling Z38C EME JT65A.
K2 + XV50 + 5el beam at 50 feet pointing over the salt water.
Regards,
Mike VP8NO
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At last, after ignorant flames, comes W3FPR's knowledgable statement about the
now-famous pins 5 and 6. Thank you, Don, for showing the facts, not the
flames. 73,Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:55:12 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:
Sorry for not responding to this earlier, but I receive digests, so
threads can go awhile before I see them. I don't think this is the forum
for this discussion, therefore I have launched an LP-PAN User Group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LP-PAN/. I will address some of the
questions
Hmmm. worked them with one call running five watts (as W5YA).
too easy. those boys can HEAR.
OK, let's whisper.
worked them with 500 milliwatts, Had to call twice.
72,
Fd - KT5X
aka W5YA/qrp
aka N5FOC/qrpp
k2 # 0700
K3 # 0144
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Ron about the time when the famous D-104 was in every shack with a vy
wide and rather flat response.
It doesn't look very flat on the graph.
http://www.ronharter.com/astaticD104.htm
73 de Mike W9OJ
W4TV suggested to N1EU:
I'd add one more development that I feel is necessary. Software
that interfaces to rigs over the single RS-232 port need to learn
to play with each other.
That is not an application software matter - it is something the
radio manufacturers will need to fix in their
Has anyone connected a preamplified D104 to either the
front or rear panel? Are there any added parts
required?
I've had my K3 for 3 weeks now and only a couple
fleeting thoughts about a microphone for it. ;-)
http://www.ronharter.com/astaticD104.htm
73 de Mike W9OJ
That's right Mike, the D-104 does not have a flat response at all.
As I wrote in my previous post: ...the famous Astatic D-104 ...had a
microphone element with a shaped response showing a distinct hump around 3
kHz, rolling off slowly at lower frequencies and somewhat faster at higher
I liked the rework eliminators. If I am troubleshooting the rig or
adding features, it is just an unplug and a plug. I do not have to
take the rig apart, remove or add hard ware to the circuits to add
features. I think they are well worth the minor added cost. After
damaging my DSP, I was
No, but it should work FB because that amp also provides a decent impedance
match for modern rigs.
The D-104 crystal or ceramic elements want to see a load of about 50K ohms,
and hooking them directly to a low impedance input like the K2 or K3 skews
the frequency response.
Don't forget you
In a recent message, David G4DMP/G3KEP wrote
What we must remember, Stewart, is that the radio amateurs of today are
a different breed from those when we took out our licences. The
qualifications are different and some newly licensed amateurs are little
more than CB or 'appliance' operators.
Hi all,
I completed the design of the DL1 and BL2 enclosures and placed them on my
website: http://w8fgu.home.comcast.net/~w8fgu/enclosures.html
I'm now accepting payment via PayPal as well. (It accepts most credit
cards). For international or custom orders please follow the directions on
the
I've been using a D-104 that has the preamp in the base with a K-2 for
quite awhile. I do much more cw than ssb, but I've gotten quite a few
unsolicited compliments on the sound over the years.
73,
Lenny W2BVH
Don Rasmussen wrote:
Has anyone connected a preamplified D104 to either the
Got VP6DX on RTTY this evening. Heard them on 20 CW, but the band died.
Tomorrow! Nice RTTY Signal. Good copy
Lee - K0WA
In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't
have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find
any
Hi
My K2 is finally on the air for the first time.
CW contact with VK7EE in Hobart on 80 mtrs from here in Melbourne.
Using the K2 barefoot with 10 watts, into a Z Match antenna coupler, and 600
ohm open wire line to a dipole. A bit rough with my hand key but got through
OK. The rig
CI-V also allows for multiple controllers, though I
have yet to see any other application that appears
to properly implement its CSMA/CD protocol.
There is no carrier switching or collision detection in the
CI-V protocol. The data packets do not carry any checksum
or sequence number both
Jerry,
All you need to do to use that HC-5 element with the K3 is change the
mic plug wiring. AF to pin 1, PTT to pin 2, grounds to pins 7 and 8. I
have the same arrangement here and it works fine.
73,
Don W3FPR
Jerry Keller (K3BZ) wrote:
I'm waiting for my K3 and am looking for ways to
Nothing, beyond the correct connector! You're good to go with a classic,
vintage mic enclosure that has more chrome on it than a dozen modern cars.
(Ah Remember when we used to say about hot rods, If it won't go fast,
at least chrome it!)
Ron AC7AC
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Got VP6DX on RTTY this evening. Heard them on 20 CW, but the
band died. Tomorrow! Nice RTTY Signal. Good copy
They've been on both 20 and 30 meter RTTY today/this evening. The
K3s sound very good except for the one on 15 Meter CW Wednesday
morning - it had a pretty severe whoop on
I doubt if you'd see any advantage, Bob, unless you are connecting it
directly to the mic input (no amplifier in the base). You need to match the
50k ohm impedance of the element to a 1,000 ohm (thereabouts) impedance at
the input of the K3 (and most modern rigs). If you have the D-104 with the
I'm waiting for my K3 and am looking for ways to get ready. I have a
much-loved D-104 and I've kept it alive with Bob Heil's conversion kit using
an HC-5 element. I use it with my ICOM Pro3. What will I have to do to use
it with the K3?
73, Jerry K3BZ
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Brett Howard wrote:
What happens if you use the test points next to the connector? Open
the box
up and just use a paper clip or test lead to short them to the ground
pad
there and let us know what happens then.
I turned on the K1 tested to
I have often thought about replacing the crystal element in my 50-
year-old D104 with one of the Radio Shack electret elements, although
some might call that heresy.
I dropped the mike once (a long time ago) and the element came
loose. I sent the head to Astatic asking them to repair it
In a recent message, Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ...
Has anyone connected a preamplified D104 to either the
front or rear panel? Are there any added parts
required?
I have been using the D-104 (with base pre-amp) on my K3 for several
weeks with some success. However, there is an
Present company excepted, Chris, I did say _some_ newly licensed...
Congrats on the three Elecraft rigs and 20wpm CW; your enthusiasm is to
be commended. I look forward to working you.
73
David
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In a recent message, David
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