Re: [Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
Erik, That was the issue, the :file reference needed to be on the line above. Thanks. Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/07/2010 10:12 PM, Nick Parker wrote: Hi John, I would actually like to plot different lines per distance, each that correlate to a date and elapsed-time (x and y axis respectively). I get an error with the :file notation, though I read that in a sample babel gnuplot example for generating graphs of commit history on the org-mode git repository. I tried to reference the variable data without the quotes and $ sign without any success. I will continue to fiddle with it, I am new to gnuplot. AFAIK, you can't break source code header argument lines across multiple lines. Is that how you actually have it in your org file? #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot $data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com http://www.developernotes.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
That's great! I actually figured that was from pasting it. A lot of pasted examples come in a bit jumbled. Glad you're on your way! John On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Nick Parker ni...@developernotes.comwrote: Erik, That was the issue, the :file reference needed to be on the line above. Thanks. Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/07/2010 10:12 PM, Nick Parker wrote: Hi John, I would actually like to plot different lines per distance, each that correlate to a date and elapsed-time (x and y axis respectively). I get an error with the :file notation, though I read that in a sample babel gnuplot example for generating graphs of commit history on the org-mode git repository. I tried to reference the variable data without the quotes and $ sign without any success. I will continue to fiddle with it, I am new to gnuplot. AFAIK, you can't break source code header argument lines across multiple lines. Is that how you actually have it in your org file? #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot $data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com http://www.developernotes.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
Nick, This got me curious to see the output. I tried to generate it on my computer and get this in the *gnuplot* buffer after running the code: - gnuplot plot data using 1:2:3 notitle ^ warning: Skipping data file with no valid points ^ x range is invalid - This is working for you, though? #+tblname: sessions | Date | Time | Distance | |+---+--| | 09/02/2010 | 15:13 | 2.5 | | 09/01/2010 | 14:00 | 2.4 | #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src John On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Nick Parker ni...@developernotes.comwrote: Erik, That was the issue, the :file reference needed to be on the line above. Thanks. Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/07/2010 10:12 PM, Nick Parker wrote: Hi John, I would actually like to plot different lines per distance, each that correlate to a date and elapsed-time (x and y axis respectively). I get an error with the :file notation, though I read that in a sample babel gnuplot example for generating graphs of commit history on the org-mode git repository. I tried to reference the variable data without the quotes and $ sign without any success. I will continue to fiddle with it, I am new to gnuplot. AFAIK, you can't break source code header argument lines across multiple lines. Is that how you actually have it in your org file? #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot $data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com http://www.developernotes.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
John, I am reworking the gnuplot script, it is not done at this point, but this is what I currently have: #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set xtics nomirror rotate by -45 set key noenhanced set style data linespoints plot $data using 2:xtic(1) title columnheader(1), \ for [i=2:3] '' using i title columnheader(i) #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:39 AM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, This got me curious to see the output. I tried to generate it on my computer and get this in the *gnuplot* buffer after running the code: - gnuplot plot data using 1:2:3 notitle ^ warning: Skipping data file with no valid points ^ x range is invalid - This is working for you, though? #+tblname: sessions | Date | Time | Distance | |+---+--| | 09/02/2010 | 15:13 | 2.5 | | 09/01/2010 | 14:00 | 2.4 | #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src John On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Nick Parker ni...@developernotes.comwrote: Erik, That was the issue, the :file reference needed to be on the line above. Thanks. Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/07/2010 10:12 PM, Nick Parker wrote: Hi John, I would actually like to plot different lines per distance, each that correlate to a date and elapsed-time (x and y axis respectively). I get an error with the :file notation, though I read that in a sample babel gnuplot example for generating graphs of commit history on the org-mode git repository. I tried to reference the variable data without the quotes and $ sign without any success. I will continue to fiddle with it, I am new to gnuplot. AFAIK, you can't break source code header argument lines across multiple lines. Is that how you actually have it in your org file? #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot $data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com http://www.developernotes.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
Nick, How about this?? Just fiddled around a little and wonder what you think. There might be a better way, but essentially, I've done the following: - Left y-axis = distance - Right y-axis = time - I couldn't get the xtic(1) option to work, so I replaced things with what I've found to work x:y:xticlabels(col#) - Beefed up the points to make them a little easier to see - Used your data to calibrate your speed --- The left y-axis is from 9-21min --- The right y-axis is from 1.5min - 3.5min --- This means the axes are 'calibrated' to 10mph What does the calibration do? It means that at a quick glance you can see your speed based on a target rate you set: - if speed/distance are on top of each other, you're right at your target - if speed (green) is higher than distance (red), you were faster than your target - if speed (green) is lower than distance (red), you were slower than your target Resetting your target is as easy as changing (in the code below): - Time: yrange [y1:y2] - Distance: y2range [y3:y4] All you have to do is make sure that y3/y1 = y4/y2 = target speed Also, remove the references to L/R and Red/Green if you'd like from the labels. I just tried to make the labels as easy as possible to follow so that no matter where you looked for a reference you would be forced to see what color/axis matched what value. I attached a sample graph. Sorry if I overstepped my bounds -- I realize it's *your* workout tracker. Take what you like and ditch the rest. I wanted to know how to do two different y axes anyway so it helped me learn. Code is here: --- gnuplot code --- #+tblname: sessions | Date| ID | Time | Distance | |-++---+--| | 9/1/2010| 1 | 14:00 | 2.4 | | 9/2/2010| 2 | 15:13 | 2.5 | | 9/10/2010 | 3 | 13:45 | 2.3 | | 9/11| 4 | 12:20 | 2.0 | | Spd 10mph | 5 | 16:35 | 2.8 | | Spd = 10mph | 6 |10 |1.666 | | Spd 10mph | 7 |20 | 2.8 | #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both reset set title Running Stats set size ratio square set xlabel Date set xtics nomirror rotate by -45 set yrange [9:21] set ylabel Time (min) -- Red set ytics nomirror set y2range [1.5:3.5] set y2label Distance (mi) -- Green set y2tics 0,0.5,3.5 set style data points plot data u 2:3:xticlabels(1) axis x1y1 lw 3 title 'Time (L axis)', \ data u 2:4 axis x2y2 lw 3 title 'Distance (R axis)' #+end_src --- end gnuplot code - Best regards, John On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Nick Parker ni...@developernotes.comwrote: John, I am reworking the gnuplot script, it is not done at this point, but this is what I currently have: #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set xtics nomirror rotate by -45 set key noenhanced set style data linespoints plot $data using 2:xtic(1) title columnheader(1), \ for [i=2:3] '' using i title columnheader(i) #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:39 AM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, This got me curious to see the output. I tried to generate it on my computer and get this in the *gnuplot* buffer after running the code: - gnuplot plot data using 1:2:3 notitle ^ warning: Skipping data file with no valid points ^ x range is invalid - This is working for you, though? #+tblname: sessions | Date | Time | Distance | |+---+--| | 09/02/2010 | 15:13 | 2.5 | | 09/01/2010 | 14:00 | 2.4 | #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src John On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Nick Parker ni...@developernotes.comwrote: Erik, That was the issue, the :file reference needed to be on the line above. Thanks. Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.eduwrote: On 09/07/2010 10:12 PM, Nick Parker wrote: Hi John, I would actually like to plot different lines per distance, each that correlate to a date and elapsed-time (x and y axis respectively). I get an error with the :file notation, though I read that in a sample babel gnuplot example for generating graphs of commit history on the org-mode git repository. I tried to reference the variable data without the quotes and $ sign without any success. I will continue to fiddle with it, I am new to gnuplot. AFAIK, you can't break source code header argument lines across multiple lines. Is that how you actually have it in your org
Re: [Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
John, Thanks for you're input, I'll give it a whirl. Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:04 PM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, How about this?? Just fiddled around a little and wonder what you think. There might be a better way, but essentially, I've done the following: - Left y-axis = distance - Right y-axis = time - I couldn't get the xtic(1) option to work, so I replaced things with what I've found to work x:y:xticlabels(col#) - Beefed up the points to make them a little easier to see - Used your data to calibrate your speed --- The left y-axis is from 9-21min --- The right y-axis is from 1.5min - 3.5min --- This means the axes are 'calibrated' to 10mph What does the calibration do? It means that at a quick glance you can see your speed based on a target rate you set: - if speed/distance are on top of each other, you're right at your target - if speed (green) is higher than distance (red), you were faster than your target - if speed (green) is lower than distance (red), you were slower than your target Resetting your target is as easy as changing (in the code below): - Time: yrange [y1:y2] - Distance: y2range [y3:y4] All you have to do is make sure that y3/y1 = y4/y2 = target speed Also, remove the references to L/R and Red/Green if you'd like from the labels. I just tried to make the labels as easy as possible to follow so that no matter where you looked for a reference you would be forced to see what color/axis matched what value. I attached a sample graph. Sorry if I overstepped my bounds -- I realize it's *your* workout tracker. Take what you like and ditch the rest. I wanted to know how to do two different y axes anyway so it helped me learn. Code is here: --- gnuplot code --- #+tblname: sessions | Date| ID | Time | Distance | |-++---+--| | 9/1/2010| 1 | 14:00 | 2.4 | | 9/2/2010| 2 | 15:13 | 2.5 | | 9/10/2010 | 3 | 13:45 | 2.3 | | 9/11| 4 | 12:20 | 2.0 | | Spd 10mph | 5 | 16:35 | 2.8 | | Spd = 10mph | 6 |10 |1.666 | | Spd 10mph | 7 |20 | 2.8 | #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both reset set title Running Stats set size ratio square set xlabel Date set xtics nomirror rotate by -45 set yrange [9:21] set ylabel Time (min) -- Red set ytics nomirror set y2range [1.5:3.5] set y2label Distance (mi) -- Green set y2tics 0,0.5,3.5 set style data points plot data u 2:3:xticlabels(1) axis x1y1 lw 3 title 'Time (L axis)', \ data u 2:4 axis x2y2 lw 3 title 'Distance (R axis)' #+end_src --- end gnuplot code - Best regards, John On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Nick Parker ni...@developernotes.comwrote: John, I am reworking the gnuplot script, it is not done at this point, but this is what I currently have: #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set xtics nomirror rotate by -45 set key noenhanced set style data linespoints plot $data using 2:xtic(1) title columnheader(1), \ for [i=2:3] '' using i title columnheader(i) #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:39 AM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, This got me curious to see the output. I tried to generate it on my computer and get this in the *gnuplot* buffer after running the code: - gnuplot plot data using 1:2:3 notitle ^ warning: Skipping data file with no valid points ^ x range is invalid - This is working for you, though? #+tblname: sessions | Date | Time | Distance | |+---+--| | 09/02/2010 | 15:13 | 2.5 | | 09/01/2010 | 14:00 | 2.4 | #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src John On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Nick Parker ni...@developernotes.comwrote: Erik, That was the issue, the :file reference needed to be on the line above. Thanks. Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.eduwrote: On 09/07/2010 10:12 PM, Nick Parker wrote: Hi John, I would actually like to plot different lines per distance, each that correlate to a date and elapsed-time (x and y axis respectively). I get an error with the :file notation, though I read that in a sample babel gnuplot example for generating graphs of commit history on the org-mode git repository. I tried to reference the variable data without the quotes
[Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
Hello, I am attempting to generate a simple chart from gnuplot using the source of an org-table. When I execute the gnuplot src block I get the message Source block produced no output. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be the cause? I have included a sample of what I am trying to run: #+tblname: sessions | Date | Time | Distance | |+---+--| | 09/02/2010 | 15:13 | 2.5 | | 09/01/2010 | 14:00 | 2.4 | #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot $data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
Hi Nick, Maybe two things off hand (booted into OS X right now where I can't try your code..) 1) try using straight gnuplot without going through org to verify your commands. This helps make sure that the syntax isn't producing errors. Another way to check this out sometimes is to C-c C-c on the code block, run the code, and then C-x b to the *gnuplot buffer to view any error messages. Those might prove helpful. 2) try changing your plot line to: plot data using 1:2:3 notitle I think I ran into an issue using $data even though it's the gnuplot syntax. I found org examples on the mailing list where just data was used instead (no quotes) and that worked. John P.S. Are you trying to make a 3D graph? plot using 1:2:3 will yield a 3D graph and you didn't mention a z-axis label so I'm wondering if that's really what you want? You may want to split this into two graphs to have date vs. time and date vs. distance? Or date vs. distance/time (speed)? P.P.S Or perhaps judging by the boxwidth option you want the width of the bars in the graph to represent the miles run? In that case you want 'plot data using 1:2:3 with boxes notitle' I think. On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Nick Parker ni...@developernotes.comwrote: Hello, I am attempting to generate a simple chart from gnuplot using the source of an org-table. When I execute the gnuplot src block I get the message Source block produced no output. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be the cause? I have included a sample of what I am trying to run: #+tblname: sessions | Date | Time | Distance | |+---+--| | 09/02/2010 | 15:13 | 2.5 | | 09/01/2010 | 14:00 | 2.4 | #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot $data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
Hi John, I would actually like to plot different lines per distance, each that correlate to a date and elapsed-time (x and y axis respectively). I get an error with the :file notation, though I read that in a sample babel gnuplot example for generating graphs of commit history on the org-mode git repository. I tried to reference the variable data without the quotes and $ sign without any success. I will continue to fiddle with it, I am new to gnuplot. Nick Parker www.developernotes.com On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, Maybe two things off hand (booted into OS X right now where I can't try your code..) 1) try using straight gnuplot without going through org to verify your commands. This helps make sure that the syntax isn't producing errors. Another way to check this out sometimes is to C-c C-c on the code block, run the code, and then C-x b to the *gnuplot buffer to view any error messages. Those might prove helpful. 2) try changing your plot line to: plot data using 1:2:3 notitle I think I ran into an issue using $data even though it's the gnuplot syntax. I found org examples on the mailing list where just data was used instead (no quotes) and that worked. John P.S. Are you trying to make a 3D graph? plot using 1:2:3 will yield a 3D graph and you didn't mention a z-axis label so I'm wondering if that's really what you want? You may want to split this into two graphs to have date vs. time and date vs. distance? Or date vs. distance/time (speed)? P.P.S Or perhaps judging by the boxwidth option you want the width of the bars in the graph to represent the miles run? In that case you want 'plot data using 1:2:3 with boxes notitle' I think. On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Nick Parker ni...@developernotes.comwrote: Hello, I am attempting to generate a simple chart from gnuplot using the source of an org-table. When I execute the gnuplot src block I get the message Source block produced no output. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be the cause? I have included a sample of what I am trying to run: #+tblname: sessions | Date | Time | Distance | |+---+--| | 09/02/2010 | 15:13 | 2.5 | | 09/01/2010 | 14:00 | 2.4 | #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot $data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] org-babel and gnuplot
On 09/07/2010 10:12 PM, Nick Parker wrote: Hi John, I would actually like to plot different lines per distance, each that correlate to a date and elapsed-time (x and y axis respectively). I get an error with the :file notation, though I read that in a sample babel gnuplot example for generating graphs of commit history on the org-mode git repository. I tried to reference the variable data without the quotes and $ sign without any success. I will continue to fiddle with it, I am new to gnuplot. AFAIK, you can't break source code header argument lines across multiple lines. Is that how you actually have it in your org file? #+begin_src gnuplot :var data=sessions :file org-running.png :exports both set title Running Stats set auto x set style data histogram set style fill solid border -1 set boxwidth .9 set xlabel Date set ylabel Time plot $data using 1:2:3 notitle #+end_src Nick Parker www.developernotes.com http://www.developernotes.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode