Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-10 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 20:24 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip I have another test. Try running the system exactly as it is when the inductors overheat, but with the motor disconnected. If it still overheats, you can remove C14 and C15 (right near the power connector).

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-10 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: Removing C14 and C15 stopped the inductor heating without affecting anything else, as far as I could tell. I wonder if smaller caps or a different core type might help. Excellent! Well, these are 47 uH 15 A inductors, and pretty amazing at that size. I have found

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-09 Thread Jon Elson
Jon Elson wrote: Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 01:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip Your last order of servo amps may be included in this batch. If the power transistors say FB260 on them, they need the fix. If they say 31N20D then they don't. Jon My amps have FB260's. Should

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-09 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 20:24 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip I have another test. Try running the system exactly as it is when the inductors overheat, but with the motor disconnected. If it still overheats, you can remove C14 and C15 (right near the power connector). These are the

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-09 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 20:17 -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 20:24 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip I have another test. Try running the system exactly as it is when the inductors overheat, but with the motor disconnected. If it still overheats, you can remove C14 and

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:06 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ...snip would put the PWM duty cycle at 50%, the worst case. What is your DC supply voltage? Jon 53 VDC unregulated with 500 uF of filter caps. So far the motor has had no load. If you need more information let

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
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Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Jeff Epler wrote: Jon, What *should* the driving signals look like at the input of your amplifiers? I assume from your response that I'm making some kind of rookie mistake here, compounded by the fact that I still don't understand what the mistake is. No, maybe not. My amps were designed

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I can certainly try, but I am using the latest 2.2.5 which should be fixed. I have pwmdir set true. I measured only logic levels on the dir pin and analog on the PWM pin. The no load forward and reverse RPM through the range (0 to 5500) was within 50 RPM. OK, not a

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: These are a little embarrassing, but here are some pictures of my Pico/Pluto setup: http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Pluto/ The cores of the inductors seem to be heating and not the copper, so it takes a while for the heat to be detected. It seems that one

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 06:13 PM 6/7/2008, you wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:32 -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip I can certainly try, but I am using the latest 2.2.5 which should be fixed. I have pwmdir set true. I measured only logic levels on the dir pin and analog on the PWM pin. The no load forward and

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 01:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip Your last order of servo amps may be included in this batch. If the power transistors say FB260 on them, they need the fix. If they say 31N20D then they don't. Jon My amps have FB260's. Should I put some caps on them? -- Kirk

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 01:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip Your last order of servo amps may be included in this batch. If the power transistors say FB260 on them, they need the fix. If they say 31N20D then they don't. Jon My amps have FB260's. Should I put some

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jeff Epler
When you set pluto-servo.pwm.#.pwmdir TRUE, the output should be what you call sign-magnitude: value after scale+offsetPWM Dir 0.0 0%FALSE 0.5 50%FALSE 1.0100%* FALSE

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I haven't looked at the control signals with a scope. One inductor was much hotter than the other. I assumed because it was because I was driving the motor mostly one direction. I was planning on using 110 Volts for the motor supply. Hmm, synchronous antiphase would

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Jeff Epler wrote: When you set pluto-servo.pwm.#.pwmdir TRUE, the output should be what you call sign-magnitude: value after scale+offsetPWM Dir 0.0 0%FALSE 0.5 50%FALSE 1.0

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:06 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ...snip would put the PWM duty cycle at 50%, the worst case. What is your DC supply voltage? Jon 53 VDC unregulated with 500 uF of filter caps. So far the motor has had no load. If you need more information let me know. If you want, I

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jeff Epler
Jon, What *should* the driving signals look like at the input of your amplifiers? I assume from your response that I'm making some kind of rookie mistake here, compounded by the fact that I still don't understand what the mistake is. Jeff

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:24 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: Jeff Epler wrote: When you set pluto-servo.pwm.#.pwmdir TRUE, the output should be what you call sign-magnitude: value after scale+offsetPWM Dir 0.0 0%FALSE 0.5

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread sam sokolik
don't feel bad :) http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/ampmess.JPG sam - Original Message - From: Kirk Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Pico

[Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-06 Thread Kirk Wallace
I received a Pluto today and started playing with it. Thanks to some help from the IRC (Thank you Skunkworks) I got the driver to load using LPT1 (378). Although, it loads without the apparent fix (epp_wide=0) now too. The driver and EMC loads with my PCI parport card, but it it doesn't respond to

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-06 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 22:31 -0400, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: Check to see if the parameter pluto.whatever.pwm.is-pdm is set. If so, try clearing that bit. That sets PDM or Interleaved PWM mode, which operates similarly to a step generator - it outputs as high a frequency as possible, to

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-06 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I received a Pluto today and started playing with it. Thanks to some help from the IRC (Thank you Skunkworks) I got the driver to load using LPT1 (378). Although, it loads without the apparent fix (epp_wide=0) now too. The driver and EMC loads with my PCI parport card, but

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-06 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 23:32 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip My guess is the Pluto is using synchronous antiphase modulation, where the bridge is switching the transistors on 50% of the time at idle. This provides full DC supply voltage across the inductor at the PWM frequency, and heating