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Hi -
I've been following this discussion and thought the best way I might
participate is to describe the work that I've done with Foofwa d'Imobilite
and others over the past decade or so. We went from using video and audio
tracks accompanying choreography, to work in Blender and Poser. The
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:34:03 +0100
From: Sally Jane Norman s.j.nor...@newcastle.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] abstract gestures / digital virtuality
To: soft_skinned_space emp...@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Message-ID:
38aca5ee9bb2474e8b3ecb1a38c5fb2c1bca8da...@exsan02.campus.ncl.ac.uk
I was fascinated by the link Paul Brown sent in,
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2011/04/new-augmented-reality-app-unle.html
- because of the creativity unleashed; the iphone, whatever, becomes an
active tool instead of a receiver. I have two questions, occasioned in
part by my
Hi - I just want to thank people for their responses. There are so many
channels available! The aural seems relatively simple to use and is a
great leveller. And it can be incredibly powerful; years ago I wrote about
Vito Acconci's performances - they almost always were second person,
Hi - I'm not sure how to reply to this; I've been thinking about it. One
thing about locative art is its oddly inert quality - it's _there_ and
remains there, is fixed there. It's _there_ in the sense of geographic
location, and _there_ in the sense of specific technology needed to reveal
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011, empyre-requ...@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au wrote:
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:44:40 +0200
From: xDxD.vs.xDxD xdxd.vs.x...@gmail.com
As the next steps of the REFF project (and its AR drug, and its youth
program on the methodological reinvention of reality) we are planning
two
Hi - This is my last post, since my time is more than up here in empyre,
so I'll keep things short. I do agree for the most part with John, but I
think his (your) post is overly optimistic; you say In the twenty-first
century, not only is identity not fixed or inherited, it is absolutely
[This may not have gone through; apologies, if it did. - Alan]
Is there the possibility of live AR? - or using bvh files - similar to their
Second Life application? So that AR can be real-time interactive? I'm naive
here, but it occurs to me that placement of virtual objects is similar to a
[the same for this - apologies if duplicated - Alan]
Hi - The Leonardo article is excellent; the reason SL faded, however, is
that it didn't fulfill the dream of virtual life - most people are used to
games, and SL has no teleology at all. I've thought of it as reverse AR,
since the porosity
not suburbia but its sexual underbelly that drives a lot. But there's
an enormous amount of creative energy beyond Odyssey. - Alan
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
On 25/04/11 08:13, Alan Sondheim wrote:
Hi - The Leonardo article is excellent; the reason SL faded
One way I deal with this is through the notions of culture and inscription -
that culture is culture per se 'all the way down' in relation to species,
and that inscription is the fundamental characteristic of the world, the
human body - beyond which lies only the threshold of pain and death,
Did anyone get my reply to Mathias Fuchs? I can't find it; I tried to go
to archives - list as Pandora and Cornell - but the latter came up with no
archives at all and the former ended years ago. I'm on digest; last time,
when I sent the reply out again, it appeared twice.
Apologies for
This is fascinating, below; I think that such anxiety is always the anxiety
procured of and/or by our perception of the world in general - our
realization at times that meaning is *only* construct, that there may well
be no fundamental grounding, no primordial. For us, reality haunts itself in
Apologies for posting here (have a bad history w/ Empyre)- a few thoughts
-
Asking if resilence is the new resistance is already buying into corporate
sloganeerig; I worry about that. Is X the new Y is a kind of Wired mag
slogan-op and perhaps tends to derail things.
I also wonder about
There's a lot of material on Weimar performance which tallies with this;
I'm thinking particularly of performers like Anita Berber and Valeska Gert,
both of whom have had a large influence on my work. Interestingly, much of
the best performance work, much of the legacy, is the work of women. Gert
things I had deleted or
forgotten. To be able to write the book I read many books written
about pain and evil, body and memory, Judith Butler, Susan Sontag, etc
etc.
I am sad I was not aware about Monika's work at that time!
Ana
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com
years ago by
Serpent's Tail, called the Garden of the Alphabet, we were ten or
twelve storytellers, one from each country, I was Sweden's chosen
contribution).
Cheers
Ana
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
Hi Ana,
Is your book available, and has it been
.
This is the original post, quoted in other context but the original is there:
http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=10411
Ana
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
Hi Ana,
I read both below and have a practical question - is the original post, from
which the excerpt
Hi - some questions occasioned by what I've been reading here, and also
thinking about torture, living through torture. Lamentation seems to imply
an other, often disappeared or disappearing, that one mourns for, after,
or almost within; torture applies to the self to the depths that there
I think torture has always been with us; there are signs dating well back
into prehistory, and there have been books written, for example, about the
Assyrian murals and what they depict. The Central American ball-games
weren't innocent either of course. I think it was Lorenz who postulated
Re - weeds - terms like 'weeds' and 'pests' and 'vermin' are very
problematic - they reflect only the speaker, not the spoken-for who often
is placed in the position of a Lyotardian differend, unable to speak,
blotted out. Whenever I hear them, I cringe...
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blog:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Maria Damon wrote:
Is there then (I'm sort of assuming the answer is yes, but asking anyway in
order to make it part of the fabric of the conversation) a way in which
lamentation is also critique as well as community self-constitution, as in
Lamentations?
Maria, I
which Lamentations are you refering to?
(not Martha Graham's Lamentation?)
Book of Lamentations in English
All Sandy and I are/were on about, I think, is the silence and the
obdurate that occurs in relaton to severe pain; I'm thinking for example
of my mother shortly before her death,
On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
which Lamentations are you refering to? (not Martha Graham's Lamentation?)
Book of Lamentations in English
All Sandy and I are/were on about, I think, is the silence and the obdurate
that occurs in relaton to severe pain; I'm thinking
In the total mourning people were silent and the silence were heavier
than any shouting...
Ana
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
mourning, lament, are acts, they're intended, they're cultural expressions -
as long as one can mourn...
but what happens when mourning
Control Anita Berber Sebastian Droste
99[[]][[
999 control sequences
http://www.alansondheim.org/AnitaDroste.mp4 thinking
For the person in abject and insufferable pain, pain becomes the universe;
thinking through pain otherwise, as in these writings, is thinking through
the entire universe itself in terms of suffering. We assume that in
general when one 'does' philosophy or science, one speaks from a position
On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Johannes Birringer wrote:
Ana's references (and the discussion between Alan and Sandy) seem to be
to the Real (and yet I sense so much slippage to the virtual in Alan's
and Sandy's discussion, surely intended, and if we follow through the
idea of the virtualization (opera,
, the
collapse of the signifier, inconceivable suffering, etc., within the body
itself.
- Alan
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Alan Sondheim wrote:
Hi Jon,
I think some of these myths are true, that we're too much online and too
close to the 'virtual' to see that.
You say
In either case the virtual world
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Jonathan Marshall wrote:
Let's just assume that i don't know what the virtual is, anymore than i
know what the real is To me, they look like two (distorting?) views of
the same events.
Just because momentum and position might be ill defined and entangling
doesn't
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Jonathan Marshall wrote:
No, but neither does it mean that every ill defined binary is useful
everywhere...
I don't think these terms are as ill-defined as you think and obviously
most people find them useful.
What i would like is some bigger idea of what the 'virtual'
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Jonathan Marshall wrote:
Where we disagree I think might be the degree of suffering, or accounting
for the ease with which, for example, animal torture might be acceptable
online, the ease that slaughter can become a meme, viral, as in the
beheading videos of a few years
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Jonathan Marshall wrote:
Alan writes:
I don't think these terms are as ill-defined as you think and obviously
most people find them useful.
but that does not help define them... :)
The whole point is they're not subject to the kinds of def. you want;
they're much
Mike, I agree with you; most of what went on with Cybermind was and still
is fairly heart-warming; there was pain when there was death, but there
were also marriages that came out of the list, relationships of all sorts,
and the Cybermind conference in Perth, which set the tone of the list
I think this is apropos on Empyre, Alan
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:23:56
From: jeremy hunsinger jh...@vt.edu
To: Cultural Studies cultstu...@lists.comm.umn.edu,
ai...@listserv.aoir.org ai...@listserv.aoir.org
Subject: [Air-L] Mark Poster, in memoriam
The situation is an aporia; there are no short-cuts but decisions have to
be made. When there was hate speech or trolling, the list became unweildy
and furious; while I as co-moderator might side with subscribers who
wanted completely freedom, the fact was that - out of pain and anger -
philosphy is dead.
And let's not forget: everybody has the right to be stupid, and the
non-stupid ones have the responsibility to show how stupid the stupis is.
Laszlo G Meszaros
Quoting Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com:
The situation is an aporia; there are no short-cuts but decisions have
in both cases, people feel their areas are their 'homes,' and that implies
one might do what one wants. Fb is a corporate state; email lists are TAZ
(temporary autonomous zones), very different, but people feel comfortable
in both -
Alan
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Rob Myers wrote:
The state
In our culture, at least in the US, frontal male nudity is constantly
censored; it's overdetermined in far too many directions.
The aggression is definitely there, but actually, I've had more experience
of kindness than anywhere else - from you, Liz, Jo, Garrett, Patrick, for
example. It's
I think that the three videos address some of the issues raised here; the
first two seem to deal directly with pain and repressed memories - perhaps
others might have some comments?
- Alan
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Peter ciccariello wrote:
Fascinating!
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Yael G
Hi Deena,
It seems to me this is a delicate balancing act. My mother before she died
was in such agony, she couldn't speak, much less express anything. There
is also clinical depression, which is chemistry and often unresponsive to
anything. One has to have the capacity to express, and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=vOHXGNx-E7E
http://www.mapleridgenews.com/news/173764121.html - she died.
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Ana Vald?s wrote:
I was a bit provoked when I read the text Jon published when a troll
saw her trolling as a piece of art,
Now I find these
Hi Johannes, very briefly, not to interrupt the discussion, I've noticed
on almost all mailing lists, including empyre, say, or nettime, or
Cybermind for that matter - there are usually very few posters around a
particular topic. Empyre works through guests of course and just for the
month,
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Deena Larsen wrote:
Thus the work is a complex and subtle exploration of pain--and uses links,
navigation, etc. to explore the unsaid and unsayable. In MS 3.0, I also used
tags to show how pain and suffering can be connected. But I tried to
balance pain with light--as
It makes sense that you wouldn't want to talk about personal pain or for
that matter anything personal here. Everyone makes his or her decision,
everywhere and everywhen, about revelation. I need at times to speak
'somewhat' out of pain, because it comes from trauma, and trauma, at least
Hi, I've been thinking about this month's subject, repeatedly, and find
myself running into difficulty when I try to relate it to the moderated
and rationalized discourse one finds on an email list, especially a list
which is text-oriented, and oddly self-contained in that regard - one
The fourth week of October's -empyre- discussion will start tomorrow,
continuing with the topic of Pain, Suffering, and Death in the Real and
Virtual. The guest will be Maria Damon. Her biographical information is
below. I've followed Maria's work for a long time, and it has always
amazed
-gender change. they passed it down farther.
Who were they? Who's haunting us?
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Thank you, Maria!
I wonder, remembering Amanda Todd's video, if remose in the sense of
biting might also be connected to cutting? I remember teaching a class at
an artschool at one point; the course was about contemporary art, the
body, etc. - and almost everyone in the class was a cutter.
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012, Maria Damon wrote:
Dear all,
Alan, Peter, thanks for your comments. I'm in a slightly awkward position of
being in MLA-DAOC meetings through Friday, so my ability to really post with
an appropriate fullness of attention is somewhat compromised right now.
Peter, this is
Johannes,
How do you read these artists/works in the West, and not only in the West
of course, how are they related to the self-immolations of Tibetan monks,
there have been many over the years?
I've known Stelarc as well and feel disturbed at the repeated hookings,
but it makes no
Just want to point out this story bears an uncanny resemblance to the
current conviction of the Italian seismologists, in relation to te
response by the scientific community; I've been following this closely
online but also in Science magazine, which goes into amazing detail. So
it's not
Hi - I wanted to post this to the list; it applies to this month's topic.
Dehumanization is a common technique in the military of course; it places
within the abstract and virtual, that which is abject and concrete. Songs
like this can tunnel through.
I'd like to all the guests this month
Hi Jon, let me answer you in pieces here -
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012, Jonathan Marshall wrote:
I'm not quite sure i can say this correctly, but seeing we seem to have
shifted a bit from the role of pain in virtual life, or 'the virtual'
(if you like suspended nouns), to pain in art, let me try -
There's also the other Goffman book, Stigma, which is relevant and
excellent.
I remember one oddity during the Vietnam war - there was an oddly
apolitical stance, I think, among performance artists in the US; one could
watch an Acconci piece, for example, and read political action into it,
are weighed
in consideration of a just penalty... this idea of paying with emotion, how
does it tie in with empathy?
On 10/27/12 4:45 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
There's also the other Goffman book, Stigma, which is relevant
and excellent.
I remember one oddity during the Vietnam
that.
Kristine
On Oct 27, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
There's also the other Goffman book, Stigma, which is relevant
and excellent.
I remember one oddity during the Vietnam war - there was an
oddly apolitical stance, I think, among performance artists
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012, Jonathan Marshall wrote:
Hi Alan,
I'm still not sure here. For example, to use some other easily
referenced points can we really describe ecstacy? even a moderate 'real'
orgasm? then there is the often remarked failure of the mystics to
convey the 'union with god', the
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012, Jonathan Marshall wrote:
All i'm trying to do here is suggest that pain, misery depression etc
are not the only inexpressable states of being
My point (and examples) where to suggest that other states also cannot
be expressed.
and while we are at it, lets not forget
Everyone I know is documenting the storm and putting it up online. The
reality as such is troubling; listening to the police radio gives an idea
of the degree people are in trouble. At the moment the situatio is more
severe, small explosions, more fires, flooding everywhere. So far we're
Hi, thanks Renate, we're ok, have been out numerous times in the
hurricane. NYC and NJ and coastal Connecticut are epitomes of suffering at
the moment - a real mess here, no one was expecting this. But our roof and
our repairs held! Thanks to everyone who wrote in as well.
love, Alan and
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Johannes Birringer wrote:
is this not amazing.
having lived through numerous hurricanes in Texas and the Gulf bay area,
I can sympathize with your excitement, the thrill, the rush, the relief?
i also, when in Houston during these events, felt the impending disaster
was talking about
yesterday.
hoping its moving out now.
jon
From: empyre-boun...@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
[empyre-boun...@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au] On Behalf Of Alan Sondheim
[sondh...@panix.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012 10:15 AM
to thank everyone who participated in this months discussion, including
invited guest discussants Monika Weiss, Deena Larsen, Johannes Birringer,
Jonathan Marshall, Fau Ferdinand, and Maria Damon. In addition, I particularly
want to thank my co-moderator Alan Sondheim.
- Sandy
(since the discussion hasn't started yet, on RISK, I thought I'd post the
following short text on death, which might have been relevant and relates
to risk as well - Alan)
Death Cull
The new reality is watching, walking death, repeatedly, until
things finally come to an end. Everyone goes
I'll second what mez has to say here; it's always a situation of bricolage
for people I know outside institutions; it's even difficult to get to
conferences, to get published with academic presses, etc. Universities and
art schools still provide communality after graduation for creative
workers,
with biological extinctions as well. Apologies for the formality
of the following, I love the idea of these bios - Alan)
Alan Sondheim was born in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania; he lives with his
partner, Azure Carter in Brooklyn NY. He holds a B.A. and M.A. from
Brown University in English. A new-media
, and even
the particulation of the body - does not this reflect something beyond or
behind us? And what selves are there, and are there shelves, not selves?
Thank you greatly,
Alan
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Here is a slightly updated bio -
Alan Sondheim was born in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania; he
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On Mon, 6 Jan 2014, Johannes Birringer wrote:
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happy new year to you all.
Alan posted an interesting series of opening comments, and if it were
possible and if we had time to
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- Hi Kevin, I wanted to quote you, but in the linux terminal I'm using,
your text disappears! I'll do my best. Apologies for my terminal
condition...
Kevin writes:
Alan, your response gives us much to consider, and I agree that
to beginning -
regards,
Johannes Birringer
[Alan Sondheim schreibt]
Should this go first to the body-Johannes-Birringer and then to the
listserv (if such be the software), a form of indirect addressing? Is the
body of Johannes Birringer receiving these words smoothly? I ask only
because
activity in NYC recently.
Reneactment I find a bit frightening in the face of current slaughter/
extinction and I wonder if someone might re-enact those rare earth mines
in SL?
Alan Sondheim sent a series of fascinating missives and at one point
argued that setting fire to an avatar
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Hi - could you explain
It's been proposed that everything existing has a dichotomy as evidence of
its reality. That material reality is a product of the frisson
resonating between this duality. Interactivity might thus be woven into
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Hi - I feel my week or so is up, of course, but I do want to give one
example of an early interactive work of mine; I was trying to think back
to early virtual space investigations. In 1970-71, I created a piece,
4320, using a
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One thing I'm missing in the discussion, which relates to Johannes'
comment about dancers w/ mirror - the as if for me relates on one hand
to Vaihingers, and on the other, to what one might call a phenomenology of
the interior - I'm
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Just want to mention, in passing (wrote Johannes about this), but I don't
think there's a digital look at all, any more than an analog look or
flesh look - whatever. The days of either sheen/metallic/glass surfaces
on one hand, and
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Hi, I'm writing in answer to Johannes' invitation, and will be somewhat
short here. I've dealt with issues of sexuality, pain, death, and mourning
in the virtual, and in the virtual in relation to the real. The points I'd
make are as
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Hi Johannes,
You say,
I tend not to believe we are always already virtual (as Alan Sondheim
suggests),
-- but one problem I have with the discussion is that it doesn't include a
critique of the corporate. Take the distinction (which
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You might be interested in Merlin Donald who argues much the same thing;
even here, however, I'd ask where is the Borg? In ISIS/ISIL? In the US
prison system? Right away class enters - violently - into all of this, and
class media,
--empyre- soft-skinned space--that's not what quantum mechanics says.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:31 PM, John Hopkins jhopk...@neoscenes.net
wrote:
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What is the scope or meaning of 'interaction' when Quantum
the
subject up here, on Empyre (given the subject, an ironic title!)
- please contribute!
Thanks to Renate and everyone -
- Alan Sondheim
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I'd like to introduce Erik Ehn, whose plays are often concerned with
issues of genocide and torture (he travels regularly to Rwanda and other
troubled locations), and is head of theater at Brown University. I've
asked him and the
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2014, Erik Ehn wrote:
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(for some reason, I can't quote directly here)
The technocrats of light, I keep thinking of scorched, of scorching, of
the annihilation
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[picking up from yesterday... Forcing a chaos to force a telos-precipitate
-]
This power survives as long as light remains in anticipation, and the public
is controlled by anticipation.
This is advertising as an end in itself ? all
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Yes, I think, it can be lost, erased, this is the heart of anguish -
BAGHDAD: Islamic State militants have executed 85 more members of the
AlbuNimr tribe in Iraq in a mass killing campaign launched last week in
retaliation for
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There are times this 'slow terror' speeds up, times it slows down; it
seems to me it might be problematic to inflate it with ISIS and the like;
there are two - and more - destructive orders of the world and worlding. I
began reading
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2014, Pia Holenstein wrote:
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*/again text unquotable, apologies/*
Perhaps there is only the wall of death, up against the
border of Lyotard's differend? To
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Erik writes,
[...]
9/11, as an act of terror, was recognizable because it was a clich? ? we
had already seen it. Looking at the live broadcast: ?This must be a movie;
this is just like a movie? but really ? ?This is just like a movie
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(I sent this to nettime when I started thinking about the
history of the region; I have a number of texts and books
from the late Armand Schwerner, who worked with the
material. I've also been interested in semitic languages
and the
, versus the stillness of what strejilevich
calls the single, numberless death.
On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:52 PM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
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(I sent this to nettime when I started thinking about the
history
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Hi, a few things. First, on the surface, 'biopower' to me is an odd term,
connected with 'biofuel' and so forth - it skitters and deflects. Perhaps
I am wrong.
The images you speak of slide from the indexical to the ikonic, or both
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Hi, two comments,
Could you elaborate on
Ethical concerns: I was very insecure dealing with the most controversial
issue, best exemplified by the title of book by american psychologist
James Hillman A terrible Love of War (2004)
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, Erik Ehn wrote:
(not quotable :-(
Could you say something about the staging? And is there a relationship
with noh? (I've always felt that tragedy, violence, underlies the surface
of noh.) And finally, Raven, is
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Hi - Just want to say that I think the 'speed of the list' is just right;
I had someone complain that it was too slow. I see it more of a
conversation or seminar, than a series of texts, although it can be that
too. My own feeling is
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On Sat, 8 Nov 2014, Johannes Birringer wrote:
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is there any grappling that could answer Alan's statement of dissolution?
--
And I want to answer this in so
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oh God, Johannes, how can anyone really 'deal' with this? how could the
students, Mexico, anyone? I'm sitting here in tears and we're talking
analytically online and we have to, I just don't always have the
resources.
humans do
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I want to thank Johannes for all the work he's done here, and all the
guests current and future; it's an amazing and intense month.
and from my current Google newsfeed (space and time displacements) -
Suicide bombing at Nigerian
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Hi - I agree with you here, however I do not watch beheading or other
torture videos; I know no one personally who does. They're not shown on
the new here. At one point I did see the beheading of Daniel Pearl; I felt
connected to the
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What I cut and pasted from was the headline page only, which breaks things
down in categories; there's a lot of news, but one massacre seems to
supercede another. The headline page also depends on categories the user
assigns; for
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