Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

ely that is not true. When an American citizen votes in a presidential election he is not really voting for a presidential candidate, he is voting for a member of the Electoral College who has pledged to vote for a certain presidential candidate, however members of the Electoral College h

Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 8:57 AM wrote: > t*he democrats, now all supporters of a LGQBT version of Josep Stalin. * It is certainly fortunate that Mr. Spudboy is not the sort of person who stoops to crass hyperbole. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

doesn't end at America's shoreline. :-[ Peace.  -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2022 7:27 am Subject: Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

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Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2022 5:55 am Subject: Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016 On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 3:53 PM wrote: > If you can nail the man for one thing, anything, go for it! I think he, > because

Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 6:52 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: *> I was under the impression that electoral college members are not free > to vote on whomever they like, that they must vote for the candidate that > won in their state.* > Unfortunately that is not true. When an American c

Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

Am Mi, 7. Dez 2022, um 11:55, schrieb John Clark: > On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 3:53 PM wrote: > >> *> If you can nail the man for one thing, anything, go for it! I think he, >> because of the Ye-Ye scandal, and his Constitution claim, he may be truly, >> gut shot for 2024,* > > I also think

Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 3:53 PM wrote: *> If you can nail the man for one thing, anything, go for it! I think he, > because of the Ye-Ye scandal, and his Constitution claim, he may be truly, > gut shot for 2024,* > I also think Trump's presidential ambitions may be gut shot but what the hell do

Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

aries, there is no democrat that can beat De Santis". -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2022 8:05 am Subject: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for

Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

will not let little things like hypocrisy, self-contradiction, and treason reduce their reverence for the man. Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016 <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11504655/Trump-di

Re: When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem)

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:24:27 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 8:32 PM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem) >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnGYMe6GBeQ> >>> >> &

Re: When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem)

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 8:32 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem) >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnGYMe6GBeQ> >> > > >> *I disagree with his statement about the CMB, for

Re: When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem)

ed universes. > > There's also: "Covariant Conservation Laws in General Relativity" by > Arthur Komar, PhysRev V113 No. 3, Feb 1959. > > Brent > > > On 4/4/2022 5:32 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:18:49 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote

Re: When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem)

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:18:49 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem) > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnGYMe6GBeQ> > > John K Clark > I disagree with his statement about the CMB, for the most part. The u

Re: When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem)

And the heaven We constructed it with strength, and indeed, We (are) surely (its) Expanders. https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/51/47/default.htm > On 04-Apr-2022, at 12:18 AM, John Clark wrote: > >  > When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem) > > John K Cl

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theorem and/or pseudo-tensors.  I think Gibbs has some good points but he's not really contradicting Baez et al. Brent On 4/3/2022 12:18 PM, John Clark wrote: When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnGYMe6GBeQ> John K Clark -- You re

When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem)

When Conservation of Energy FAILS! (Noether's Theorem) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnGYMe6GBeQ> John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emai

Re: When did Trump have his last negative test and first positive one?

many lies. Virtually nobody tests negative for COVID-19 > and 24 hours later test positive, and 12 hours after that become so sick he > has to be medevaced to a hospital. And doctors refused to say, no doubt on > Trump's orders, when the president last had a negative test or when he >

When did Trump have his last negative test and first positive one?

he has to be medevaced to a hospital. And doctors refused to say, no doubt on Trump's orders, when the president last had a negative test or when he first had a positive one. I would not be one bit surprised if Trump already knew he had COVID-19 during Tuesday's debate, or at least he would've known

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

> On 7 Mar 2019, at 22:13, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/7/2019 8:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 6 Mar 2019, at 20:57, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/6/2019 5:48 AM, Bruno

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 3/7/2019 8:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 6 Mar 2019, at 20:57, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/6/2019 5:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Every time I mention this you strike back at the straw man of primitive matter...which I

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

> On 6 Mar 2019, at 20:57, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/6/2019 5:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Every time I mention this you strike back at the straw man of primitive >>> matter...which I never refer to. >> But then, why do you criticise the theorem? Maybe you

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 3/6/2019 5:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Every time I mention this you strike back at the straw man of primitive matter...which I never refer to. But then, why do you criticise the theorem? Maybe you don’t? Bt then why are you saying that elementary arithmetic is not a TOE? It explain the

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my respect. I am a lover of Krebs cycle, >> and even more Calvin cycle (in photosynthesis). My initial inspiration of >> Mechanism came from Molecular biology. But nothing there has been shown to >> be non-Turing emulable. Your artificial brain, when you say “yes” to the >> doctor,

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

Molecular biology. But nothing there has been shown to be non-Turing emulable. Your artificial brain, when you say “yes” to the doctor, might not involve any of these cycles, but use a simple battery instead (or you are just telling me that you doubt Digital Mechanism, which is my basic working

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

> On 2 Mar 2019, at 08:22, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 6:25:05 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Mar 2019, at 09:28, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 2:05:03 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday,

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

ability >> to detect and react to the environment based on internal states. > > What the thermostat lacks, that the bacteria and plants do not lack, is > Turing universality. That gives the mind, and even the free-will. > > I think free-will is just universality, and

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

> On 4 Mar 2019, at 19:48, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 3/4/2019 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Unconsciousness is an illusion of consciousness … It should be obvious that >> “being unconscious” cannot be a first person experience, for logical reason. >> To die is not a personal

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

ot their identity, but the apprehension of their >> identity. If not, when you ask where they are in the hospital, the nurse >> would say “what are you talking about”. Even a corpse has an identity. > At last you recognize the importance of the material. Matter and physics are even more imp

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s contrary to my theory.” The context indicates that I was using “material” for “primitively material”. My objection is not “that’s contrary to my theory”, but to my theorem. I am just saying that you cannot have both “primitive matter” (or just physicalism) and Mechanism together. Even without

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 3/4/2019 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Unconsciousness is an illusion of consciousness … It should be obvious that “being unconscious” cannot be a first person experience, for logical reason. To die is not a personal event. That happens only to the others. I agree.  Except I don't

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 3/4/2019 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have had two relatives die of Alzheimers and they lost their identity gradually as they lost memory. They lost they memory. Not their identity, but the apprehension of their identity. If not, when you ask where they are in the hospital

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

vironment is needed, matter would play some role, and there is no more reason to say accept a digital, even if physical, brain. I didn't say anything about the environment being "material".    But your objection seems to reduce to, "But that's contrary to my theory."  It's

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

iative state of consciousness. To get a life from it will require memory, but consciousness is more general, and will use the memory only for the self-differentiating purpose. > I have had two relatives die of Alzheimers and they lost their identity > gradually as they lost memory.

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

ou can program any partial recursive function. Of course you need the decoding apparatus, but that is entirely in the bacteria. It means that you can simulate any other computer, with a basic set of DNA-enzyme molecular interaction. A universal machine is just a number u such that for all x an

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 3/3/2019 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Mar 2019, at 23:21, Brent Meeker wrote: On 3/1/2019 7:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The “minimal” consciousness require only a weak notion of self. It does not require memory, nor any sense. It is a highly dissociated state of consciousness.

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 3/3/2019 3:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Mar 2019, at 21:36, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 3/1/2019 7:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2019, at 22:47, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 2/28/2019 1:17 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 23:21, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 3/1/2019 7:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> The “minimal” consciousness require only a weak notion of self. It does not >> require memory, nor any sense. It is a highly dissociated state of >> consciousness. It is quite different

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ersal. The genome of Escherichia Coli can be “programmed” to run a Turing universal set of quadruplet. Of course, the bacteria’s “tape” is quite limited, and they can exploit their universality only by cooperation in the long run, and so no individual bacteria can be self-conscious or Löbian. Bruno &g

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 6:25:05 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 09:28, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 2:05:03 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 5:15:17 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 6:25:05 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 00:15, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2019 3:00 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 4:34:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Philip Thrift

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 3/1/2019 7:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You might be interested by this quite remarkable news: a 8 letters synthetic DNA, which seems to work well. If that is true, it really suggests that we all come from one bacteria, I think. It is amazing that all life use only the same 4 letters

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 09:28, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 2:05:03 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 5:15:17 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/28/2019 3:00 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 00:15, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2019 3:00 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 4:34:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 3:48:04 PM UTC-6,

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 3/1/2019 7:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The “minimal” consciousness require only a weak notion of self. It does not require memory, nor any sense. It is a highly dissociated state of consciousness. It is quite different from the usual mundane consciousness of the everyday life. How

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 2:36:06 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 3/1/2019 7:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2019, at 22:47, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2019 1:17 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > The best current philosopher of (and writer about) consciousness is

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ersal too.  Turing universality is cheap. Brent I think free-will is just universality, and we lost it when we impose “security”. What makes a universal machine universal is the ability to search for a number which do not exist, making them able to “not stop”, and that is what a thermostat

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bacteria and plants do not lack, is > Turing universality. That gives the mind, and even the free-will. > > I think free-will is just universality, and we lost it when we impose > “security”. What makes a universal machine universal is the ability to > search for a number

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hing bacteria and plants and my thermostat have...and ability > to detect and react to the environment based on internal states. What the thermostat lacks, that the bacteria and plants do not lack, is Turing universality. That gives the mind, and even the free-will. I think free-will is just univers

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

t; > <https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ> >> > >> > >> > Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity >> > Paul Thagard >> > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ

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rst_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ> > > > > Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity > > Paul Thagard > > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ > > <https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAA

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 2:05:03 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 5:15:17 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/28/2019 3:00 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 4:34:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 5:15:17 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2019 3:00 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 4:34:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 2/28/2019 3:00 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 4:34:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 3:48:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2019 1:17 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 4:34:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 3:48:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/28/2019 1:17 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> The best current philosopher of (and

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 3:48:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2019 1:17 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: The best current philosopher of (and writer about) consciousness is *Galen Strawson*.

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 3:48:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2019 1:17 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > The best current philosopher of (and writer about) consciousness is *Galen > Strawson*. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen_Strawson >

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 2/28/2019 1:17 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: The best current philosopher of (and writer about) consciousness is *Galen Strawson*. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen_Strawson https://sites.google.com/site/galenstrawson/

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

t; Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity >> > Paul Thagard >> > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ >> > >> > via >> > When Did Consciousness Begin? >> > Paul Thagard >> > >>

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rons to Consciousness and Creativity > Paul Thagard > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ <https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ> > > via > When Did Consciousness Begin? > Paul Thag

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Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity > > Paul Thagard > > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ > > > > via > > When Did Consciousness Begin? > > Paul Thagard > > > https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/ho

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nsistent) without losing its consistency, but in that case it becomes a >> new machine, with a similar theology in shape, but a different >> content/meaning for the box. She has changed her own code (as we do every >> second instinctively). > > I think this is

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for the box. She has changed her own code (as we do every second instinctively). I think this is misleading.  When you say it becomes inconsistent if it assumes it's consistency, you mean that if it uses its consistency as an axiom it can lead to proving "false".   But in fact everyo

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

gt; If we could knew which machine we are, we could define consciousness, or >>>> at least our personal current consciousness, as it would be defined by the >>>> combinator realising us. But that is impossible, and it defines only >>>> mechanism an

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

> On 15 Feb 2019, at 20:37, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > I will do a personal confession: I have never believe in matter, > > Matter doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it will just continue doing > what

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

> On 15 Feb 2019, at 19:53, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/14/2019 3:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Don’t hesitate to find some argument in favour of primitive materials, but >> in my opinion, this is highly speculative, and never used in physics. > > But the non-material primitive is

RE: When Did Consciousness Begin?

Hi Philip, I cannot answer in your text for reason of bad formatting. It looks hard to be sent too. I comment here: when you say: << Matter is everything that we can see, smell, touch, feel and even can't see. >> I am OK with this definition. But when you add << Ev

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:14 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Matter doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it will just continue >> doing what it does. > > > *> Assuming it exists.* > You've said that many many times before but I still don't get your point. Apparently I don't know what you mean

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I send again my answer, that I wrote yesterday. All in one post. === Hi Philip, I cannot answer in your text for reason of bad formatting. It looks hard to be sent too. I comment here: when you say: << Matter is everything that we can see, smell, touch, feel and even can't see.

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by the combinator realising us. But that is impossible, and it defines only mechanism and the choice we might make for our substitution level. But when we build AI's we will know which machine they are. In theory yes, and we can be sure of its theology if the machine is sensibly less complex than us. I

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 1:37:54 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > I will do a personal confession: I have never believe in matter, > > > Matter doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it will just continue > doing what it

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;>> The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness >>> Arthur S. Reber >>> https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ >>> >>> Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity >>> Paul Thagard &g

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On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > I will do a personal confession: I have never believe in matter, Matter doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it will just continue doing what it does. > *because I have never seen any evidence for it. * That's OK, I don't think

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

On 2/14/2019 3:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Don’t hesitate to find some argument in favour of primitive materials, but in my opinion, this is highly speculative, and never used in physics. But the non-material primitive is never used either.  Insofar as I know, no scientist ever worries

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; Arthur S. Reber >>> https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ >>> <https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ> >>> >>> Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity >>> Paul Thagard

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>> combinator realising us. But that is impossible, and it defines only >> mechanism and the choice we might make for our substitution level. > > But when we build AI's we will know which machine they are. > In theory yes, and we can be sure of its theology if the machine is sensib

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s to Consciousness and Creativity >> Paul Thagard >> https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ >> >> via >> When Did Consciousness Begin? >> Paul Thagard >> >> https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hot-thought/20190

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might make for our substitution level. But when we build AI's we will know which machine they are. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen

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ind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity >>>> Paul Thagard >>>> https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ >>>> >>>> via >>>> When Did Consciousness Begin? >>>> Paul Thagard >>>> https

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ind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity >> Paul Thagard >> https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ >> <https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ> >> >> via >> When Did Consciousness Begin? >> Pau

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“micro”, even more so if it invokes some primary stuff. > > Sometimes people say they are not panpsychist, and then when you read what > they write you see they write like they are some type of panpsychist. That is common in this fleld. You can find people arguing against mechanism,

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illusion is a thing that is wrongly perceived but to perceive something is to be conscious of it; so the statement isn't wrong, no tautology is, but it is pretty stupid. As for when consciousness began I think it started 5 minutes ago when I was created complete with false memories of me being in the fi

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sychism/ https://www.iep.utm.edu/panpsych/ is a spectrum going from *micropsychism* to *cosmopsychism*. Sometimes people say they are not panpsychist, and then when you* read what they write* you see they write like they are some type of panpsychist. - pt -- You received this message because you

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le.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ > > Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity > Paul Thagard > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ > > via > When Did Consciousness Begin? > Paul Thagard > >

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=RBLEugEACAAJ Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity Paul Thagard https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ via When Did Consciousness Begin? Paul Thagard https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hot-thought/201901/when-did-consciousness-begin

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> On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:38, smitra wrote: > > Consciousness began when "I" became conscious. But here I take into account > that at the very beginning of "my" consciousness, "my" identity was almost > undefined, so "I" refers

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ds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ > <https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ> > > Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity > Paul Thagard > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ > <https://books.googl

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> On 11 Feb 2019, at 08:05, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/10/2019 10:47 PM, Russell Standish wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>>> 9. Consciousne

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oks.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ> > > Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity > Paul Thagard > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ > <https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEAC

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ogle.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ >> >> Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity >> Paul Thagard >> https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ >> >> via >> When Did Consciousness Begin? >

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nd: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity > Paul Thagard > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ > > via > When Did Consciousness Begin? > Paul Thagard > https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hot-thought/201901/when-did-consciousness-begin I compa

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Consciousness began when "I" became conscious. But here I take into account that at the very beginning of "my" consciousness, "my" identity was almost undefined, so "I" refers to pretty much all conscious processes. The notion of a person

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is significant, I think. - pt On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 12:46:18 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > > > On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > 9. Consciousness began when human cul

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The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness >> Arthur S. Reber >> https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ >> >> Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity >> Paul Thagard >> https://books.google.com/b

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On 2/10/2019 10:47 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: 9. Consciousness began when human culture became advanced, around 3000 years ago (Julian Jaynes). The date more usually given is 40,000

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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > 9. Consciousness began when human culture became advanced, around 3000 > > years ago (Julian Jaynes). The date more usually given is 40,000 years bp. T

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500 million neurons, compared to 700 million in your dog.  But in the octopus 2/3 of the neurons are in the arms, which show a lot autonomous responses even when cut off. (3) They are not social (although cuttlefish are).  They are short lived.  After a female matures she mates and lays

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> Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity > Paul Thagard > https://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ > > via > When Did Consciousness Begin? > Paul Thagard > > https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hot-thought/201901/when-did-

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://books.google.com/books/about/Brain_Mind.html?id=jJjHvAEACAAJ via When Did Consciousness Begin? Paul Thagard https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hot-thought/201901/when-did-consciousness-begin Thagard's 10 hypotheses: 1. Consciousness has always existed, because God is conscious and eternal

When Did Consciousness Begin?

=jJjHvAEACAAJ via When Did Consciousness Begin? Paul Thagard https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hot-thought/201901/when-did-consciousness-begin Thagard's 10 hypotheses: 1. Consciousness has always existed, because God is conscious and eternal. 2. Consciousness began when the universe formed

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> On 28 Feb 2018, at 20:38, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:08:43 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Feb 2018, at 18:02, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at

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