[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When someone claims to know more about TM than MMY, the conversation screeches to an immediate halt and one politely excuses oneself because they left something cooking on the stove, so sorry! We must chat

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-05 Thread shempmcgurk
Although your last two paragraphs get a bit flaky, Richard, I have to say this is one of the best damn posts you've ever done. Well said! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter wrote: When someone claims to know more about TM than MMY,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Curtis wrote: Ya gotta love the theater of the absurd performed by Nabby, Richard and me arguing about which one of us mad hatters understands MMY's teacher BETTER! Excuse me, Curtis, it has not been established that you understand anything about the teaching of TM. The evidence is right

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Peter wrote: When someone claims to know more about TM than MMY, the conversation screeches to an immediate halt and one politely excuses oneself because they left something cooking on the stove, so sorry! We must chat later, yes, indeed. Well, yes, while the Maharishi was acting like a

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-05 Thread curtisdeltablues
v I never claimed to understand Maharishi fully. Only fools like you do. And I never said fully. By ranking my understanding you certainly did imply better. Resorting to name calling like referring to me as a fool is not just obnoxious, it reflects an overgeneralized view of me. Each of us

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Curtis wrote: Richard didn't need it,he just knows! Don't be a fool, Curtis, - there's not a single thing you can learn at a TTC, CCP, or ATC, that you can't learn right where you are sitting. Some of you TM teachers get all puffed up with pride at all your vaulted learning. Keep it simple -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-05 Thread Peter
--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: Richard didn't need it,he just knows! Don't be a fool, Curtis, - there's not a single thing you can learn at a TTC, CCP, or ATC, that you can't learn right where you are sitting. Some of you TM teachers get all puffed up

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-05 Thread Peter
--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp wrote: Although your last two paragraphs get a bit flaky, Richard, I have to say this is one of the best damn posts you've ever done. Thanks Shemp, but the last paragraph still stands. Franky, Peter, I'm surprised that

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Shemp wrote: Although your last two paragraphs get a bit flaky, Richard, I have to say this is one of the best damn posts you've ever done. Thanks Shemp, but the last paragraph still stands. Franky, Peter, I'm surprised that I'm having to explain this to you, you being an educated

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, where, exactly, in SBAL does Maharishi talk about demons? Curtis wrote: What kind of line are you trying to draw here Richard? That almost all of the Maharishi trained TM teachers are idiots

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
So, where, exactly, in SBAL does Maharishi talk about demons? Curtis wrote: What kind of line are you trying to draw here Richard? That almost all of the Maharishi trained TM teachers are idiots and stoopid schmucks who all failed to understand the process of effortless transcending?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Judy wrote: You went on to quote me, apparently as one of the trolls, yet I went on to point out what you do, that anybody who doesn't think there's a lot about God in SBAL has never actually read it. Well, I never said that Maharishi didn't mention God in SBAL. What I was trying to point out

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
What kind of line are you trying to draw here Richard? You are talking with people who know his complete teaching. If you are trying to argue that this one book doesn't discuss all of his teaching, fine. But if you are trying to run the PR party line on a bunch of trained

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
Nice post Edg. It captures the nudge nudge wink wink environment of our first exposure to TM. In my personal interview I alarmed the teachers also by telling them that I had read Meditations of MMY before my intro, so I was taking TM for God realization. I was only 16 but I caught the body

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Edg wrote: When Richard the War Monger says, Which just goes to prove that, contrary to what Edg implied, Maharishi didn't talk much about religion, gods, angels or demons when he composed SBAL, he reveals exactly that he's a troll and not a person involved in a dialog. So, where,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
Richard, My point was only concerning certain specific content. Plenty of sidhas who are into the teaching can understand MMY's teaching better than some teacher who isn't intellectual or very into it. I was a case in point as an MIU grad who was super into the teaching before going to TTC.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Duveyoung
Good call, Judy -- I was not at my best in the earlier posts about this issue, and I am guilty of wanting to be on both sides. I do like shaming the TMO for its pose of secularity, yet I was one of those very posers for decades. I haven't looked, but believe me, whatever I did post, I never once

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This discussion is so twisted by trollism. Ya know, Edg, you *could* have explained to start with what you tell us in this post. If you were just going to let people guess what your motivations in cornering your intro TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Curtis wrote: So Richard claims to know more about TM than MMY, but I claim to know more about his teaching than people who haven't gone through TTC. Maybe so, but you don't know more about TM than I do regardless of your TTC claims. The proof is here for anyone to read. So, what,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not uncommon to come across people who never took TTC who claim to understand MMY's teaching better than the teachers. And sometimes they love to argue about what it contains with from the perspective

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg wrote: When Richard the War Monger says, Which just goes to prove that, contrary to what Edg implied, Maharishi didn't talk much about religion, gods, angels or demons when he composed SBAL, he

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: So, where, exactly, in SBAL does Maharishi talk about demons? Curtis wrote: What kind of line are you trying to draw

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Edg wrote: When Richard the War Monger says, Which just goes to prove that, contrary to what Edg implied, Maharishi didn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Curtis wrote: It is not uncommon to come across people who never took TTC who claim to understand MMY's teaching better than the teachers. Maybe so, but I run across people who make claims to be TM teachers, Governors, and Ministers all the time, who never attended a single TTC, CCP, or

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: So, where, exactly, in SBAL does Maharishi talk

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Peter
Richard, are you a TM teacher? A Governor? --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, where, exactly, in SBAL does Maharishi talk about demons? Curtis wrote: What kind of line are you trying to draw here Richard? That almost all of the Maharishi trained TM teachers

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
Nabby: From your posts here your knowledge of Maharishis teaching is rather limited, to say the least. Your claim to be a TM-teacher means nothing whatsoever. Just because you have taken TTC obviously does not mean that you understood what he said there. Compared to many Sidhas I know your level

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Duveyoung
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never was myself a TM teacher and personally I WAS interested in MMY's commentary on the Gita and his SBAL - as an underlying universal spiritual perspective to the practice of TM, but one which was not forced down your

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: So Richard claims to know more about TM than MMY, but I claim to know more about his teaching than people who haven't gone through TTC. Maybe so, but you don't know more about TM than

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread claudiouk
Never was myself a TM teacher and personally I WAS interested in MMY's commentary on the Gita and his SBAL - as an underlying universal spiritual perspective to the practice of TM, but one which was not forced down your throat (unless perhaps you became a teacher?). Because of that it WAS OK

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
My point was that I can't find any reference in SBAL where the Maharishi talks about the demons of Hindu mythology. Did he mention this at your TTC? According to Ed, Maharishi mentions demons in SBAL. Vaj wrote: He probably was thinking of M's 1/3 of the Gita translation. Probably,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Vaj
On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Vaj wrote: Most westerners would do well, for the sake of perspective, to look at what political movements these Vedic Fundies are associated with. I think they'd be downright shocked. Unless of course Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Anally or some other

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Edg wrote: But it was a big fat lie and every teacher knew that the mantras were the names and attributes of Gods that the Holy Tradition ADORED, and today, we openly SELL PRAYERS TO THESE GODS and call them yagyas. TM has nothing to do with Gods and a Holy Tradition and nothing to do with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Vaj
On Feb 4, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Curtis wrote: My point was only concerning certain specific content. My point was that I can't find any reference in SBAL where the Maharishi talks about the demons of Hindu mythology. Did he mention this at your TTC? According to Ed,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Curtis wrote: My point was only concerning certain specific content. My point was that I can't find any reference in SBAL where the Maharishi talks about the demons of Hindu mythology. Did he mention this at your TTC? According to Ed, Maharishi mentions demons in SBAL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Duveyoung
Is anyone else besides the WAR MONGER thinking that I ever mentioned demons being in the SBAL? He was overwhelmingly answered by several other posters with several quotations from the SBAL with my exact words, but after such, this massively brain damaged person's query having been satisfied

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of line are you trying to draw here Richard? You are talking with people who know his complete teaching. If you are trying to argue that this one book doesn't discuss all of his teaching,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Rick Archer wrote: Congratulations, Edg. You finally got WillyTex. Heh. I would have and have used the word demons not devils; - Edg http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/163071

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Richard J. Williams
Is anyone else besides the WAR MONGER thinking that I ever mentioned demons being in the SBAL? I would have and have used the word demons not devils; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/163071

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread suziezuzie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg wrote: But it was a big fat lie and every teacher knew that the mantras were the names and attributes of Gods that the Holy Tradition ADORED, and today, we openly SELL PRAYERS TO THESE GODS and call

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM) Is anyone else besides the WAR MONGER

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Vaj
On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Duveyoung wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never was myself a TM teacher and personally I WAS interested in MMY's commentary on the Gita and his SBAL - as an underlying universal spiritual perspective to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I believe we would agree 100% about the SBAL angels and gods issues. I suspect so. Thanks for the kind words!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Peter
--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When someone claims to know more about TM than MMY, the conversation screeches to an immediate halt and one politely excuses oneself because they left something cooking on the stove, so sorry! We must chat later, yes, indeed. Ya

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread Peter
--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: So Richard claims to know more about TM than MMY, but I claim to know more about his teaching than people who haven't gone through

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
When someone claims to know more about TM than MMY, the conversation screeches to an immediate halt and one politely excuses oneself because they left something cooking on the stove, so sorry! We must chat later, yes, indeed. Ya gotta love the theater of the absurd performed by Nabby,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)

2008-02-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
It is pretty funny! Are Richard and Nabby even TM teachers? I think Nabby was. Richard didn't need it,he just knows! And me, 18 year drop out that I am, in there swinging! A Monty Python moment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- curtisdeltablues