Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5

[Kat Parker]

Jason what may have happened to you is your cat could have had feline
leukemia and then apparently beat it like a lot of cats do when they’re
very young and their immune system overpowers it but sometimes it gets
depressed and it stays in the body but it’s not active until when they’re
older and something triggers it becomes apparent again. That might be what
happened

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>1. My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV.. (JASON VOGT)
>2. Re: My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV..
>   (Amani Oakley)
>3. Re: My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV..
>   (Christi Anna)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:26:40 + (UTC)
> From: JASON VOGT 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with
> FeLV..
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> Thank you very much for your detailed response Amani.? You obviously have
> a lot of experience treating both FeLV+ cats and kittens.? He (Kitty) will
> be 12 years old this coming Spring or Summer.? Thank you also Kat.? I
> remember taking him (Kitty) in from outside when he was one year old.? I am
> positive the Vet. did a FeLV test on him then and it was negative at one
> year old.? It surprised me him (Kitty) being diagnosed this old with FeLV.??
> I had an 11.50 year old cat (Mork - indoor only who I got from a shelter
> as a kitten) who died in 2014 of FIP (also diagnosed with it very late at
> age 11).? I am not sure how these 2 older cats of mine contracted these
> diseases and how Mork died from it late in life.? Does an older cat's
> immune system get much weaker as they age???
> The 11.50 female? indoor only cat (Snow White) appears just fine.? I took
> her in from outside the same time as Kitty at one year old.? She tested
> negative for FeLV at one year old also.? ?
> Thank you very much again,?
> Jason
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> No problem, Jason. Please let us know how things work out.
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> Amani
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> Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV..
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> Thank you very much for your detailed response Amani.  You obviously have
> a lot of experience treating both FeLV+ cats and kittens.  He (Kitty) will
> be 12 years old this coming Spring or Summer.  Thank you also Kat.  I
> remember taking him (Kitty) in from outside when he was one year old.  I am
> positive the Vet. did a FeLV test on him then and it was negative at one
> year old.  It surprised me him (Kitty) being diagnosed this old with FeLV.
>
> I had an 11.50 year old cat (Mork - indoor only who I got from a shelter
> as a kitten) who died in 2014 of FIP (also diagnosed with it very late at
> age 11).  I am not sure how these 2 older cats of mine contracted these
> diseases and how Mork died from it late in life.  Does an older cat's
> immune system get much weaker as they age?
>
> The 11.50 female  indoor only cat (Snow White) appears just fine.  I took
> her in from outside the same time as Kitty at one year old.  She tested
> negative for FeLV at one year old also.
>
> Thank you very much again,
>
> Jason
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 63, Issue 2

[Kat Parker]

Don’t give up! Like the other poster said LTC I works in many cases and
Winstrol works for a lot of people. Myself I didn’t use any of those and I
was prepared for the worst but now almost 12 years later I have a cat who
is not FLV positive anymore. At 8 1/2 years old suddenly she flipped. I
don’t know why it’s a miracle but don’t give up.  And don’t let any vet
tell you to put your kitty down. Fight until the end and hopefully the end
will come much much later than you think. Good luck and blessings be on
counting to you and yours and your kitty

Kat

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>1. Re: My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat
> was diagnosed with FeLV
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> Jason, if your baby is only ? a year old, he may have been born with it or
> had it before you took him in.
>
> I have written many times on this chatline about my own success with
> Zander, my baby who had FeLV and we were told there was no hope and to just
> put him down.
>
> What worked for us was Winstrol (Stanozolol), an anabolic steroid ? the
> ?Ben Johnson steroid?. Unfortunately, because many many athletes use
> Stanozolol to improve their performance and to heal injuries faster, the
> scientific community has labeled this steroid as ?evil?, and stupidly
> ignore it and will not use it on either humans or animals. It used to be
> regularly given to cats, because cats in particular, really respond well to
> it. There was a really poorly-researched vet paper years ago, which
> suggested Winstrol causes liver failure in cats, so vets just abruptly
> stopped using it. In my case, after trying EVERYTHING including interferon
> and LCTI. We tried each for 4 to 6 months, while monitoring blood work
> every week. There was no change or improvement in red cell count,
> haematocrit, reticulocytes, etc. Here is my original post on this chatline,
> from 2015, and I have repeated this advice many times over the years.
> Several people have reported success using ?Zander?s protocol? which
>   I describe below:
>
>
> I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and
> died from something else that I don?t believe was related to the leukemia.
> When the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying
> with leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to
> nothing and I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up
> his numbers to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some
> Winstrol I had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for
> another cat.
>
>
> This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we
> were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After
> being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to
> climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets
> couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of
> the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of
> his ears, gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to
> our unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept
> getting better. After about a year, I called back the internal medicine
> veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us there was no hope, and told
> him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise - and a little bit of
> anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that Winstrol used to be
> used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage associated with
> it, and vets stopped prescribing it. T
>  his REALLY annoyed me. My cat was dying and no one thought that maybe,
> just maybe, some treatme

Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV....

[kat]

Amani,

 

I think Jason said Kitty is 11.5 years old...  I agree with you about the Winstrol protocol, no matter what the age.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 
 

Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 at 4:08 PM
From: "Amani Oakley" 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV




Jason, if your baby is only ½ a year old, he may have been born with it or had it before you took him in.

 

I have written many times on this chatline about my own success with Zander, my baby who had FeLV and we were told there was no hope and to just put him down.

 

What worked for us was Winstrol (Stanozolol), an anabolic steroid – the “Ben Johnson steroid”. Unfortunately, because many many athletes use Stanozolol to improve their performance and to heal injuries faster, the scientific community has labeled this steroid as “evil”, and stupidly ignore it and will not use it on either humans or animals. It used to be regularly given to cats, because cats in particular, really respond well to it. There was a really poorly-researched vet paper years ago, which suggested Winstrol causes liver failure in cats, so vets just abruptly stopped using it. In my case, after trying EVERYTHING including interferon and LCTI. We tried each for 4 to 6 months, while monitoring blood work every week. There was no change or improvement in red cell count, haematocrit, reticulocytes, etc. Here is my original post on this chatline, from 2015, and I have repeated this advice many times over the years. Several people have reported success using “Zander’s protocol” which I describe below:

 

 

I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died from something else that I don’t believe was related to the leukemia. When the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. 

 

 

This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better. After about a year, I called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage associated with it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up.

The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to eat when he was so very sick.

I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a maintenance dose. I would often pair it with prednisone as well (5 mg a day) and Doxycycline (50 mg a day).

I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that it has come through more often than not.

I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other options and their kitten or cat will die.

I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of ve

Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/Tenhousecats

[kat]

 


So Sad!!  She was such a force for the kitties.

 

I always used to chuckle at her tag line -
Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference 

 



May she rest in Peace in the comfort of all her kitties that were waiting for her!

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)


Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 12:32 PM
From: "Marlene Snowman" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/Tenhousecats

Thank you in sharing the news of her passing and honoring the work that she did, especially her contributions to assisting our furry friends (and within this network). I’m hopeful that she was greeted with many furry friends.

M

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> On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:41 AM, Kelley S  wrote:
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> I just learned of the sad passing of MaryChristine. She was one of the first and best friends I made on this list. She was a fierce advocate for FELV cats as well as other special needs cats such as CH kitties. She loved Calicos and Persians. She also loved dragons and photography. During her later years she suffered from poor health and was not around very much. She died of Covid in late January.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best Wishes for 2019 (was: Batman Felv Positive

[kat]

Thank you Sandy. 

 

May this year be our best one yet!  Or at the very least, better & better.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 at 11:15 AM
From: "Sandra Wachtstetter" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, "Amani Oakley" 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Batman Felv Positive


Happy New Year 2019!! Nothing has been posted since  - well looks like October sometime. Guessing all is okay - Be safe and hope 2019 gets off to a great start!

 

Sandy W

On October 18, 2018 at 12:54 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:
 

I actually had a few similar experiences. Once it involved two very young kittens. Once it involved a cat about a year old. In my opinion, the two different experiences had two different causative agents, and at the risk of boring you silly, I will try to explain both. Neither, by the way, was well understood by the vets, leading me again to the inevitable conclusion that cat health is very poorly studied (no where near dog health) and because cats respond different to disease and medication, (whereas dogs respond very much like people), then science and medicine is way behind in understanding cats.

 

With respect to the kittens, it was my view that they actually had (and one of them still has) Lyme disease. The area I picked them up was one very well-known to be endemic for Lyme disease. They had an alternating lameness – once picking up one paw which seemed very swollen and sore – and then next day, picking up the other paw. I looked this up and saw that this alternating lameness was described in dogs with Lyme disease. However, my vet believed that it might be calici virus. I didn’t agree with her, but let her treat for calici virus (including vaccination). The acute phase of the response seemed to be limited in time, and both kittens seemed to get better on their own. However, their brother lapsed into a coma – was literally unresponsive for hours while I sat up with him. I didn’t know what to do, and my view was that either there was inflammation of the meninges (sac surrounding the brain) or an inflammation of the brain itself, causing increased intracranial pressure which might also result in loss of consciousness. I superdosed him with transdermal prednisone, took him to bed with me and kept checking him for hours. Then, suddenly, at about 4 in the morning, he just bounded awake, and began playing and galavanting all over the bed. Meanwhile, though, one of his two sisters has never been the same. She lost HUGE amounts of weight, and even now, as a 2+ year old cat, she weighs less than many kittens and she is all bones. I have been treating her with a combination of Winstrol, Doxycycline, high prednisone doses and magnesium (her muscles don’t work right – like they are constantly spastic, and she walks in a funny tip toe way, and has poor coordination jumping on things and going up stairs, etc.) Anyhow, she is starting to get better, starting to put on weight and starting to walk better. I am convinced this was and is Lyme disease, though scientists and vets say that cats don’t get it. I don’t know how they know this, because they DO NOT TEST cats for it.

 

Story number two involves a kitten I got who was described as a “wobbly” kitten and it was assumed that his mom had suffered a viral infection when he was in utero, which can result in this type of neurological damage (and it can be much worse). However, when he was very little, he suddenly and without warning, decided to squat and pee right in the middle of our bed, and he had never done this before. He was looking straight at me and I felt that he didn’t know why he was doing what he was doing. Not too long after (a few weeks or maybe a month), he started showing some very alarming neurological symptoms, including a loss of muscle control in the back end. His rectum seemed not tight but loose and stool just “fell out” rather than being pushed out. His back legs in particular also became very very weak, and he developed a “tripod stance” – both back legs together – his back end would sway and he would fall down. My knowledge with humans is that this occurs when there is damage to nerves in the spinal column, or pressure on them from a herniated disc, or something like that (cauda equina syndrome). I took him to the emergency clinic, but I had already started him on Winstrol and Prednisolone, assuming that the Prednisolone would help with reduction of swelling in the spinal canal and thus take pressure off the affected nerves, and the Winstrol might help in healing whatever injury there was in the spinal column. By the time they could do an MRI on him, he was regaining all function and his gait had become normal. The MRI was inconclusive, with the vets thinking that they could possible see the remains of a lesion, right in the area where one would expect it to be to affect rectal control and muscle function of the back legs, but the lesion appeared to be healed over so they couldn’t tell if that was th

Re: [Felvtalk] Spice didn't make it

[kat]

Judy,

 

I am so sorry to learn of your loss.  Spice had your love for the time she was with you.  Sometimes that is all we can give them.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 4:26 PM
From: "judith cook" 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice didn't make it



I have been putting off and putting off this letter.  I had high hopes for Spice.  She started out responding well to the treatment, and I really thought that we'd make it.  However, after about a month, she suddenly started having trouble breathing.  The vet took x-rays, and she had an enlarged  heart, was retaining water in her abdomen, and had a tumor on her liver.  I decided that she'd had enough, and had her euthanized.  She was purring the whole time, and went quietly as I petted her.  Thank all of you for your encouragement and your information and your research.  I do wish we'd find a sure-fire cure, and REALLY wish people would get their cats vaccinated young.  My big cat, Budda, misses her, I can tell, even though they were not close buddies.  There are a couple of stray kittens who have showed up in on my street, and I'm going to try to catch and tame them.  I've done it before, and contrary to common opinion, I have found that they make fine pets.  My best to all of you and your kitties. 

Judy

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Re: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails

[kat]

Hi Sandy,

 

The list has actually been quiet since the end of December (and December was very light).

If you click on the link @ bottom of the emails, it takes you to the Felvtalk webpage. 

There you can click on the Felvtalk Archives link & can look at messages from any month - dating all the way back to Aug 2014.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 5:01 PM
From: Sandy <swacht1...@comcast.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails


Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.  

 

Sandy W
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Re: [Felvtalk] What are the dosages for

[kat]

Hi Pam,

 

I do not have any experience with this, but here is a snippet from one of Amani's posts on the winstrol - "  It took 6-8 months to get him into the normal range and I kept him on the Winstrol the whole time, but cut the dose from the original 2 mg 2 times a day to 1 mg 2 times a day."

 

Maybe others will chime in after the Christmas holiday is over, but I wanted to get back to you with what I had saved.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 at 10:56 AM
From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2s...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] What are the dosages for



What are the dosages for winsteral,doxycycline, and prednisone that I would want to ask my vet for? Thank you!

Pam

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Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving for K

[kat]

Sleep Soft, dear Krammer - you were a great cat.
 

Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 at 8:57 AM
From: "Katherine K." 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Grieving for K



Hi everyone,

 
I lost my perfect little tuxedo soulmate last week. He was my first cat and the best friend ever. At age 11 we discovered he was FeLV+, likely contracted from some kittens we were fostering at the time. We lost all kittens within a year, went on to foster another FeLV kitty, Jazz, for a year before we lost him to the virus too. Krammer hung in there for 4 more years with this stupid virus, through many ups and downs. We loved each other dearly and I believe that is what kept him going until the ripe old age of 15. His nose tumor had grown all year. It distorted his face, leaked fluid and required several daily cleanings for the last few months. He had declined a lot and was down to 6.5 pounds at the end, but was still eating and using the bathroom normally. A week ago I discovered his tumor was beginning to affect the roof of his mouth and I didn't want to wait until it ruptured there. That would have caused him unnecessary suffering. We made the difficult decision to take him to the vet. I picked up his ashes on Friday and they are keeping me company, as well as plenty of cuddles from my other (non FeLV) kitty.

Thanks to everyone for the support over the years. Here is what I shared on my Facebook page about Krammer last week:

Today I had to say a terribly hard goodbye to my best little buddy Krammer. Last December, I noticed he had a slightly bloody nose. It turned out to be a nasal tumor, and he fought the cancer for nearly a year. He was 15 years old. Krammer was a Craigslist kitty. We picked him up one Friday after work in 2005 from a Seinfeld fan who didn’t know how to spell Kramer. The funny name stuck, and produced many, many nicknames.
Sweet Krammie, I’ll miss your perfectly pink nose and toes. I’ll miss the way you begged to be picked up and put in the warm dryer after I finished folding all the clothes. You’d settle down and purr. I’ll miss your adorable nose wrinkle that appeared when you’d ferociously bite Mr. Squirrel during playtime, and the way your neck smelled faintly like maple syrup. I’ll miss laughing about your weird obsession with licking the blinds and laying on crinkly paper. I’ll miss how you would come running whenever we whistled “Morning” from Peer Gynt. That became your theme song. I’ll miss your ridiculous call-of-the-wild yowl whenever Lady Bird wouldn’t play with you, even the ones that woke me up in the middle of the night. 


I’ll miss how every night you would come walking up the side of the bed, purring and giving out head bumps, and paw at the blanket for me to let you under the covers. You’d crawl in, turn around, and settle down for the night. Though you were never a lap cat, these cuddles more than made up for it.

I’ll miss playing chase with you on my lunch breaks. You were so excited to see me, you’d race through the house, begging for me to catch you and give you a big hug. I’ll miss dressing you up in silly outfits, which you mostly just purred through. Since it’s Halloween, I hope you won’t mind if I share a few with your fans.

I’m grateful to everyone who enjoyed and appreciated his photos over the years. He was a delightful subject to photograph. Once during a photoshoot of my dad’s jewelry, he walked over and sat down in the middle, giving me a look like, “Ok, mom, I’m ready for my close up.” Over the last year, he really enjoyed going out on his harness and leash to chase bugs and lay in the sun. He was so curious, he enjoyed exploring new places, and I’ll always regret that we never got to take him camping. He was a friend to so many foster kittens and didn’t even mind the dogs he met. A truly wonderful little being.

I’ll miss you, sweet one.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[kat]

Hi Marlene,

 

I do not have any experience with either Immunoregulin or LTCI, but I am sure others on this list can help you.  Hpefully they will check in before the weekend is over.  I am sending you positive energy vibes from the NJ in the USA.

 

Kat

('Mew' Jersey)

 

 

Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM
From: "marlene melpignano" <marl...@hotmail.com>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Hi, I have a cat Felv +, after initial symptoms he was fine for more than one year. He has now developed anemia and we do not get by lowering the massive dose of prednisolone without instantly getting anemia back.
Anyone has experience with Immunoregolin or LTCI? (Lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator)
Thanks a lot,
Marlène (an Italian desperate cat mother)


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[Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . .

[kat]

Hi Ken,

 

Which shelter is this?  Just curious how someone could just drop off several boxes of cats...

Are they all doing well after being taken in at the shelter?  Approx how old are the kittens?

This just boggles my mind.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 9:31 AM
From: kresch...@mchsi.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . .

How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side.

Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know,
Ken

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[Felvtalk] Checking in when the list has been quiet...

[kat]

Bob - I am so very sorry Gilbert's time was up.  You gave him more love than he ever would have had.  Thank you for loving these special kitties.

 

Ken - Zorro was lucky to have found you & the love you gave him.  If you take in another FeLeuk kitty we will be here to help answer any questions you may have.

 

When the list is unusually quiet, I usually check in via the website  http://www.felineleukemia.org/  and click on 'Mail Archives' which gives you the list of emails by date (latest one first).  Then I can tell if it has really been quiet or if I am missing any emails.

 

My kitty crew is getting up there in years - so even though I no longer have any FeLeuk kitties, I am dealing with other issues.

 

It's nice to hear everyone checking back in...

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Surgery (was:Checking in.....)

[kat]

I will be keeping you in my thoughts & prayers!!  Please let us know when you are back home.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 at 8:04 PM
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MUCH MAIL, BUT HAVE BEEN BUSY PREPARING FOR OPEN HEART SURGERY AND MAKING ARRANGEMENTS FOR CARE FOR THE CATS AND MY GARDEN. MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARE GOING TO HELP ME WHEN I COME HOME FROM SURGERY AND THE DOCTOR TOLD ME I CAN FEED, WATER AND CLEAN BOXES AND FIX MY OWN MEALS LIKE SALADS.

 ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again
> not getting group mail
> Has there been activity I've missed??
> My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we
> all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just
> enjoy it while it's happening)    Wondering if any of you have
> experience with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say
> above 7.5 mg QD)...  When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the
> proviso that I would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to
> unless I feel they are killing him unnecessarily quickly)  His Tumor
> does not appear to have gotten any larger and his pain appears to be
> pretty well controlled Just wish I knew specifically what is helping
> the most so I could cut down on superfluous drugscurrently he's on
> Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain,
> prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via syringe dissolved in milk,
> Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting substance... bears closer
> scrutiny...  supposed to have anti tumor activity) Two other "
> alternative " medications which I have suspended only because the poor
> boy screams bloody murder every time I have to give him something.
> with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to keep anything PO to a
> minimum
> Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die
> don't and the ones that that aren't ..do
> Hope everyones buddies are doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as
> FeLV Kitties can do)...  Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain
> injury which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been
> insistent on expanding his range and even tried running this AM... 
> Wasn't in anything resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy
> is enough to make you weep...  Guess that's part of why I am such a fan
> of animals they simply do what they have to and do it without
> complaint  ( Sure glad they can't speak...perhaps I'd like them less if
> their inner thoughts were more like ( Why ME??  I'm a more thoughtful
> caring cat than Mittens over there; why did _ I_ have to get hit by a
> car and THEN get cancer!!... and there's that jerk Mittens running
> around all carefree and happy...where's the Justice I ask you)...
> Bob
> Bob
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.....

[kat]

Hi Bob,

 

Thank you for the update on Gilbert!

 

There hasn't been much in the way of messages in the group - hoping this is a good thing.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 10:28 AM
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in.

Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again not getting group mail
Has there been activity I've missed??
My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just enjoy it while it's happening)    Wondering if any of you have experience with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say above 7.5 mg QD)...  When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the proviso that I would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to unless I feel they are killing him unnecessarily quickly)  His Tumor does not appear to have gotten any larger and his pain appears to be pretty well controlled Just wish I knew specifically what is helping the most so I could cut down on superfluous drugscurrently he's on Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via syringe dissolved in milk, Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting substance... bears closer scrutiny...  supposed to have anti tumor activity) Two other " alternative " medications which I have suspended only because the poor boy screams bloody murder every time I have to give him something. with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to keep anything PO to a minimum
Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die don't and the ones that that aren't ..do
Hope everyones buddies are doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as FeLV Kitties can do)...  Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain injury which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been insistent on expanding his range and even tried running this AM...  Wasn't in anything resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy is enough to make you weep...  Guess that's part of why I am such a fan of animals they simply do what they have to and do it without complaint  ( Sure glad they can't speak...perhaps I'd like them less if their inner thoughts were more like ( Why ME??  I'm a more thoughtful caring cat than Mittens over there; why did _ I_ have to get hit by a car and THEN get cancer!!... and there's that jerk Mittens running around all carefree and happy...where's the Justice I ask you)...

Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[kat]

Hi Ardy,

 

Lysine, or L-lysine, is an essential amino acid, meaning it is necessary for human health, but the body cannot make it. 

It has been promoted for use in cats to help prevent or aide in healing Herpesvirus infections in cats (also called feline viral rhinotracheitis). 

However, recent info has disputed this.  For details, see:

http://consciouscat.net/2016/01/11/l-lysine-does-not-decrease-symptoms-of-feline-upper-respiratory-infections/


 

Kat (Mew Jersey)


Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:09 AM
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant




May I ask – what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)

 


Thank you,

Ardy


 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant



 

This is what our vet told us last week.  When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, we took our four other cats in.  They were all fine except one, Blossom.  She is 16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet.  She is FIV!  So not a good month for our cats.  I am using lycine in all their water dishes.

 

Marilyn
Destiny FeLV and sinus infection

 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant



 

Hi Sandy,


 



I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of.  It is no longer on the market.



Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test.



 



Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard.



 



 








Shelley 



 



 


 


 


 


 


 




On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy <swacht1...@comcast.net> wrote:


 





Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest??  



 



Thank you,



 



Sandy W



 






From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant


 


Marilyn


 


Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste.


 


Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours


 


    Prednisolone:    2.5 mg every 12 hours


 


    Winstrol:   1-2 mg every 12 hours


 


Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough.


 


Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. 


 


If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract.    


 




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; thyme2s...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant




 




Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP.



It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster

Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[kat]

Yes, cats can take collodial silver.  Both topically & internally.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

I am wondering if colloidial silver would help. I am soon going in for heart surgery and am taking mine with me to super bug infections. Can cats take this? Just a thought.

 Marilyn Knapp Litt <mari...@marilynlitt.com> wrote:
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>
>
>
> My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find
> she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her
> and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
> truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is
> effective.
>
>
>
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>
>
>
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info
> on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about
> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were
> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>
>
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Krammer

[kat]

Prayers & Hugs for both Krammer & you.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 at 8:51 AM
From: "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Krammer



Hi everyone, please keep my 14 year old tuxedo boy in your thoughts today. Krammie declined over the weekend and was very lethargic, not eating much, and has the sneezes and sniffles (he has a nasal tumor which is causing to the last part).  I dropped him at the vet this morning for monitoring while I am at work. Thank you.

 

Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...

[kat]

Pam,

 

I do not know any shelters in your area, but I want to tell you that you are an angel for these kitties!!

Thank you for all you do.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 at 6:26 PM
From: "Pam Doore" <thyme2s...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...




Hi all,  I am with a shelter in Western NY.  I have adopted several FE LV+ cats.  I was asked if I could take on one more for the shelter and did.  Last night I was asked if I would be willing to take two more from a neighboring shelter.  I was unable to do that and they were euthanized today. That shelter is not interested in rescue groups or putting any money or other resources into cats that are Fe Lv+.   I am looking to find Fe Lv rescues that are in the NY/PA/OH areas that I could contact to see if in the future I could take cats in need to so that they are not euthanized. 
 
Thank you for any suggestions and assistance!!
-Pam

 

















 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Annie

[kat]

Thank you for loving her for the time she was with you.  It never feels like it is long enough.

 

Sleep soft, dear Annie...

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:06 PM
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Annie

I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts. She did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for. She joins a growing list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge. Now she will be in pain no longer.
 




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Re: [Felvtalk] My Martin.....so handsome....he was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my Joe....I've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.

[kat]

Dear Patti,

 

As heartbreaking as this awful disease is, thank you for caring for these babies and giving them a loving home, even if it is only a short while.  Martin can now play with your other kitties (Joe, Clayton, Apache, & Charlie) until you meet all of them at the Rainbow Bridge.

 

Sleep Soft, little Martin...

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.��. I'm sad, broken hearted and angry. I've been in rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken hearted and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your love and kindness



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Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...

[kat]

Bob,

 

I agree with you - I have no tolerance for anyone that abuses anyone or animal smaller & weaker than themselves.  Even when some people have a warped sense of humor.  One of my (former) co-workers had shown me a cartoon book titled "101 uses for a dead cat" - it was dumb, sophmoric 'humor'.  I asked him if it would be just as 'funny' if it were "101 uses for a dead baby".  He looked slightly horrified & said "NO", and I pointed out that it is Not really Funny, is it...  Some people don't think.

 

I saw a cute plaque a while ago that said -

"Lord, Give me Patience... Because if You give me Strength, I'm gonna need Bail Money to go with it!!"
That about sums it up.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 3:44 AM
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...


I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling
how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them
for profit.   In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a
bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real
legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming
an animal... 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In...

[kat]

Bob,

 

You are an angel to the kitties you have cared for!!  This new one will know a true home with such great love, even if it is only for a short time.  Thank you for all that you do.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 3:01 PM
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In...

So Glad to hear that no new " tragedies" have emerged of late and that
Violet loves her catnip!.. I love the image I conjur of her eating a
leaf or two and rolling in the Grass looking at you with her little head
upside down  It's been only a few weeks since I lost my buddy
Magellin and though it's not with me on a daily basis I only have to
encounter a surprise reminder to bring tears to my eyes ( eg... needing
to put some meds for myself into a container and grabbing the nearest
empty one which turned out to be Jelly's Mirtazapine container...
virtually in a second the whole experience came rushing back...
attempting to get him to eat..watching him lose weight... syringe
feeding him...   Friends ask me " why are you considering doing it
again" and all I can say is  " It feels worse to NOT help than the
pain of helping"...  Amani expressed a nice sentiment a few times when
explaining to folks why she continues to do what she does...
" If the people who care about cats don't help them it's certainly not
going to be the people who _ don't_ care about them" ( yes Amani I took
a measure of literary license in quoting you...  Hope it's close : )
On Sunday I expect to take home my new Foster... and older " Miracle"
survivor of some kind of traumatic encounter( we don't know what)... He
was traumatically brain injured and could barely walk when he first came
to us..when I drove him to the vet I was positive they would just put
him down... but he made a miraculous recovery and is now just the
sweetest lap cat you could know... but still not entirely steady on his
feet..  In the last few weeks he developed a tumor behind one of his
eyes and it is the consensus of two vets that it is a cancer that will
kill him in a few months ( one of the vets had a cat with the exact
same situation and used a combination of Sub Cu injectable alternative
meds to keep the boy alive for an extra nine months...  I can't stand
the idea of this sweet guy living out his remaining days on the bottom
level of cages just sleeping there with little attention until he
dies... He deserves to see the sun and to have someone to pet him and
know a home for at least a few months  I'm hoping that knowing in
advance of taking him home that the only real surprise would be his
actually surviving that I won't have the same level of sadness that my
others guys engendered... Be that as it may... I'm doing it.

 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Nicely Stated...

[kat]

Hi Bob,

 

Your original post DID make it thru - and it was very touching.  Thank you for sending it.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 5:14 PM
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nicely Stated...

Hi Folks

Once again I sent something to the list and it has not appeared in my
mail...so I have no idea if it made it to the group..
My brother had to put down his buddy ( a border collie) of 14 yrs the
other day and I had come across a piece a fellow wrote about losing his
own dog after the same amount of time though this is about the loss
of  a dog it is equally applicable to cats and captures the sentiment
just beautifully..
--



To most, he was “just” a dog. To me, he was so much more than just a
best friend, he was an integral part of my life, and my world for over
14 years. I was there to see him take his first breath in this world.
And I was there when he breathed his last, after a long and, I hope,
happy life. And when he left this world, it was as if a large piece of
me was violently torn away. Eventually the countless happy memories of
the all too brief time I had with him will crowd out the anguish of the
last moments we spent. For now, I can take only cold comfort in knowing
that when it came time to make the call, I did right by him. His body
was on the verge of a “cascading system failure”, but it had not yet
progressed to the point where it had broken his spirit. I had been
waiting for him to tell me it was his time for some while, but it was
his prognosis that finally sealed it. He was not going to get better;
he would only get worse. Even with surgery — which at his age was more
risk than solution — his best case was a few months, and those would
have been pain ridden.

I don’t suppose I’ll ever stop second guessing whether I waited too long
or not long enough. But in the circumstances keeping him going through
heroic measures would have been for my benefit, not his.

When you bring a dog into your life, you make a bargain. Tonka never
once failed to deliver on his side of that bargain. And as much as it
hurt — and will continue to hurt — I had to deliver on mine.

Goodnight pal, see you on the other side. I love you, buddy.

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Re: [Felvtalk] hiccups

[kat]

Ardy,

 

Have you looked into Feline Hyperesthesia Syndrome?  It looks like the skin 'ripples' and the cat either bites at the spot or tries to run away from it, but there are no fleas present.  Here is an article from Cornell vet school:

http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/Health_Information/HyperesthesiaSyndrome.cfm

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 10:16 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
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Hi Sheila,

 

Our cat Tigger (who was FeLV+) did that body quiver thing, and usually right after eating. He did it more than our current cat – Topaz – who does not have FeLV. Tigger would then turn around fast and try to bite his side or back, and then he would run, as if running away from it. The vet said he had UTI and we treated him for that – and a second vet said it was UTI but not urinary tract infection, but rather urinary tract inflammation. They did all kinds of tests including taking urine samples with a needle.

 

Topaz also does it but not as often, always after eating. The vet said she must have fleas and sold me some of that stuff you put on the back of their neck. Although they fine tooth combed her and could not find any fleas. I have never seen a flea on her or in the house, and I know what they look like and have had them in the house several years ago, and had to “bomb” the house and dip the cat etc. So I never put that chemical stuff on her. I have been trying to get her to drink more water though and she does it less now. She prefers to drink out of the bathroom faucet which I leave running in a tiny stream for her. (I have a fountain but she isn’t interested).

 

I’m not convinced that any of the vets I have taken them to are correct so if anyone else has any idea, I’d be interested in hearing your opinion on what this is too.

Thanks,

Ardy

 

 



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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:15 AM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] hiccups



 

Hello, my Skylar seems to have hiccups movements in his body but not coming out of his mouth.   Like his body jumps in the center.  His bloodwork was great last time besides the FELV and he isn’t due for bloodwork until May.  Has anyone seen this type of thing? 

 

   

 

HOOT

Sheila Armstrong-Brown

Administrative Aide

Psych Pool

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please

[kat]

Dear Barbe,

 

I understand your position.  In order to unsubscribe from this list, please go to:

http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

 

At the bottom of that page, you can unsubscribe yourself.

 

I hope & pray for a healing for you - age should not 'hurt'...

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 6:19 PM
From: "barbe berbes" <berbe...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please


I have been trying for over 1 year to unsubscribe from you folks. While I can appreciate the importance if your site, I no longer have, nor will I ever, Unfortunately, have a furrbaby in my life. Due to serious illness and age of my own, I cannot have a cat or any animal to keep company and share love be with. It hurts my heart so very much to open my email each day to see posts and concerns from parents. Please just take me off your list. I'm so sorry
sincerely, Barbara

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Re: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo

[kat]

Sheri,

 

I'm so sorry it was little Mo's time to leave.  One of the greatest acts of Love is helping them leave their "broken" bodies behind even though their hearts were so so very big & beautiful.

 

Sleep Soft, little Mo.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 at 8:37 PM
From: "Sheri Burbridge" <sheri7...@gmail.com>
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye to sweet Mo

We had to take Mo in and have him put to sleep tonight. I've never been more sure of a decision in my life. We spent every good moment he had left with him over this week but he was obviously suffering and confused and he was ready.
 

My heart is broken, I'll miss him so very much. He had a heart of gold and more love in his little body than the oceans could hold. I'm so thankful he got to be with us even for a short time.

 

Thank you for the support and information. I really hope Violet never goes through this but at least I'm more educated about it now.

 

Nothing can take fill the void Mo has left in our hearts and home. He was truly one of a kind.

 

Sheri
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Re: [Felvtalk] Holding on... & letting go

[kat]

Jen,

 

I agree, being there with them helps - both them & us, no matter where this happens (home or at the vet's office).

I have found a caring, local mobile vet who will come to the house when it is time to let them go, instead of having to take my kitties for their 'last car ride' vet visit.  I also ask the vet to give a quick acting tranquilizer first for my more skittish/scardey-cats, which definitely helps them to relax before helping them let go.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 12:06 AM
From: "Jennifer Olson" <j13w0l...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Holding on...


I have been allowed to hold both of my cats & 1 for my sister as they were "put down". Using a towel around their lower half to catch anything excreted when they leave their body helps.
Be your & your baby's best advocate when the time comes.

My heart hurts for yours,

Jen

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[Felvtalk] So Sad that Jelly has made his transition

[kat]

Dear Bob,

 

I am so sorry Jelly crossed over to the Rainbow Bridge early Monday morning.

Please know that you gave him all of your love while you could.  I know the pain of feeling guilty that I had waited too long too, but there is no clear 'sign' for us to know when it is time to assist them in their crossing. That is the most difficult part - not wanting them to suffer but hoping they will have one more good day.  My heart aches for you.

 

Sleep Soft, Dear Jelly... 

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo

[kat]

Sheri,

 

My heart is breaking for you & little Mo - You've done the best you could with what you knew at the time - and all of it with great Love & compassion for Mo.  Each one of our furry babies teaches us so much & loves us no matter what.  And they take a piece of out hearts & all of our love with them when it is their time to transition, so none of this is ever in vain.  Holding you in my thoughts & prayers.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 7:26 AM
From: "Sheri Burbridge" <sheri7...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo

Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care.

 

We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge for Violet.

 

My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bad News..

[kat]

Bob,

I am so sorry to hear that your other kitty is going downhill - we do the best we can with what we have available, but so often we wish we could have done more for our fur babies.  And we feel guilty for not having done enough to keep them healthy.  If only Love were enough... 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 at 6:22 PM
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News..

Hello All:
I'm going to make this somewhat brief as I've had my last two messages NOT post..nor had I received any group messages until about 5 minutes ago..
My remaining cat ( Magellin..  nee   Jelly )  who is my little love...  much like Amani's Zander.  Stopped eating
a week and one half ago...  Hospitalized for two days and vet said very bad URI and possible lungworm
...


Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There?

[kat]

Amani,

 

I thought the list was just quiet because things had settled down for everyone - but come to think of it, I don't think I got my monthly reminder email this month...  Maybe something is going on with our moderator, James, or maybe the listserv itself??

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 at 5:22 PM
From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There?


Hi Everyone,

 

One of our group list is trying to get on the list and says he hasn’t heard from anyone in a while, and his posts are not being posted. He has tried to reach the moderator with no success. Anyone know what is going on?

 

Amani

 

 
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[Felvtalk] HTH Re: How coyld I foeget?!?!?

[kat]

Jen,

 

HTH is 'short hand' for 'Hope that Helps'

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 at 9:54 AM
From: "Jennifer Olson" <j13w0l...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?


It is Advantage Multi   =~D   Have been trying to soothe his ears and hopefully SUFFOCATE some of the lil buggers with olive oil & cotton ball massaging. Persistant monsters!
What does HTH mean?

Jen


 
On Mar 5, 2017 7:52 AM, "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:





p.s.. If the Ivermectin is to treat the Demodex, I never had any luck with that, but then, I've only treated dogs. I had success with Advantage Multi every two weeks, and most recently, Bravecto as labeled.

HTH

Margo
 
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From: Jennifer Olson
Sent: Mar 4, 2017 9:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
 
May be asking for THAT on Monday. I just pray his neutering is in the very near future!

 
On Mar 4, 2017 8:19 PM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:




That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites with a single application.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Olson
Sent: March-04-17 9:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

 


The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite if the FeLV wasn't present.


Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are succuming- maybe even OFF him now.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Being dropped

[kat]

OMG, Lorrie - I hope you are okay after that accident!! Too scary!

 

I get the same thing about "bounces" - just not as often as you seem to be getting them.  I also do not get any notification of "bounces" from my ISP, but from what I understand the "bounces" only go to the originator of the email (not us) - so it does seem rather unfair.


 

One thing that seems to help me - when we get an email "membership reminder" on the first of every month, I have been going to the login page & changing some setting (and then changing it right back to what it was).  Somehow that seems to help (but I am not a techie, so I can't swear this really does anything, but I haven't gotten any warnings lately).  Also, the "3 day warning" doesn't seem to be a hard & fast rule, since you were still able to send an email that we all received...

 

*** Any computer tech people out there - can you provide an explanation & possible solution???

 

Take care of yourself, Lorrie.  I do not want to see you (or anyone else) get dropped.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 


Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 at 5:56 PM
From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: owner-felvt...@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Being dropped

I am continually (every few weeks) being treatened with having my
membership disabled/dropped, whatever. However I never received any
of these any of these "bounces" from my ISP that I am accused of!


Due to having been in a serious automobile accident..My car hit a
patch of black ice and went over a hill and hit two trees, I was not
able to respond to the recent threat from this FelV group. I do not
think it is fair to dump me beause I was not able to respond within 3
days! I enjoy this group and consider myself a valuable member.


James, Please reconsider If not then goodbye to everyone here.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing

[kat]

Bob,

 

I am so sorry to hear of Yogi's passing.  You did so much to give him the help he needed & gave him all the love he wanted.

Sleep soft, dear little Yogi.


 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 


Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 at 7:31 PM
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing

Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom I
had asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and most
recently for suggestions related to making money to be able to keep
treating him..
Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had
started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few
weeks to 14   I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks
to the efforts of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful
but he faded too fast for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply was
not one of the cats that was going to respond to it)
He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and
with the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive all
these months stroking him..  I had actually made arrangements to put him
down later that day after seeing the condition he was in that morning. 
I'm SO glad I didn't have to keep that appointment.
It's been a tough go...   The little guy never really knew more than a
few months of health.
There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a
ratty little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a
sweet gentle little soul that never so much as  attempted to scratch me
despite all the things I had to put him through to keep him alive
There was almost nothing left of him at the end ( started with him at 6
months old and 7.5 lbs and progressively over a year lost 3 lbs ( about
40% of his body weight . I probably would have put him down on at least
3 occassions if it wasn't for all the good advice and suggestions I got
from all of you that helped me press on .
So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one
big hurt of losing him it will pass in a bit of time( though
certainly not today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home to
another FeLV Cat that would have spent it's life in a cage.. and to
give a playmate to my still healthy guy who is still very much a Kitten
in his actions and DYING to have someone to play with...this time I will
FOSTER so that I don't go broke with cat care if the next little
guy/girl starts to go south well ahead of time...
Thanks to  all of you for being there for FeLV cats...  You all are the
one bit of luck the kitties who have come under your care have had

Bob
Warwick NY

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 54

[kat]

Hi Bob,

 

No, it does not sound disrespectful - it sounds like you are trying to come to grips with the unfairness of it all.  There have been MANY kitties over the years that this group has been around that have succumbed before the age of 2, some never even made it to one year .

Yes, we have heard that there are various strains of the virus, and I suspect that some of them are more 'potent' than the others.  Also, a kitten's immune system is not as strong as/developed as an adult cat's, so they are more susceptible to any virus or bacteria. So besides trying to find ways to suppress the virus, it helps to find something that can boost the immune system - but I get the feeling from your other posts that you already know this. 

 

Several years ago we had a Candle Lighting ceremony for any of our kitties that have left us - it was run by one of our members - Belinda, but I believe it has 'gone global'.  If you go to our home page (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) you can click on the candle light service box on the left in the banner for more info. (some of the links no longer work, but you get the idea & the new links)

 

I wish you much peace & gentle healing for your 2 kitties.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

 

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 7:35 PM
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 54

I hope this doesn't sound disrespectful... but I'm perplexed at all the
talk of  whether or not an animal has or does NOT have the virus at 8,
10 and 12 years old...   If an animal has lived this long it would
appear that he/she has a much milder form of the virus or a variant
about which little is known.  In truth though your cats have
already defied he odds and despite the sadness of having them (
potentially) have several years of life curtailed you will have had them
longer than the many Healthy cats I had a a youngster when it was not
uncommon for cats to die from any number of causes well before they were
10  years old. If my boys live until 8 or 10 I will consider it
miraculous!!..   The kind of FeLV+ that REALLY concerns me is the
kind that my own boys have passed from the Queen established to
have moved into their marrow in the first 7 months of their
lives...Symptomatic from the time they were Kittens   One looking (
yes there IS a "look" severely affected FeLV+ cats can have)  very much
like a cat that simply is not going to last very long it is heart
wrenching to hold his little 5.8 lb body and feel all his ribs and
backbone despite his eating heartily He is barely a year and one
half and has already had IBD, Uveitis,Melting Corneal Ulcer, Keratitis,
Multiple bouts of  Rhinitis, He is 70% blind.  I won't go on...  If
he weren't not in obvious pain I would have put him down by now...
but... he is a good natured little boy who still loves his food and his
treats and curls up with me to keep warm because his body weight is so
low.  I can't tell you how happy it would make me to have him show
weight gain or be able to play again...( He's been able to play perhaps
one month of the time I've had him and his brother can't understand why
he can't play and still attacks him hoping to have a partner in his
games..   this is not what I expected when I adoped these boys but I
learned quickly..  may really have to foster another FeLV+ just so
the healthier one leaves my disabled one alone. I've learned
quite a lot about the variants of FeLV since coming to this group but
honestly..  when I adopted these boys I never DREAMED of their
living to 8 years old and it seems quite a lot of people here are
discussing  cats in that age range..  I'm having a hard time even
internalizing that as FeLV...    Just wondering if there are many in the
group that have cats whose lives are being curtailed at VERY young ages
by this damnable Disease!!!


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Re: [Felvtalk] urinary tract infection or stones in 8 year old cat

[kat]

Urinary problems can be tricky.  Here are a few links that help explain it -

http://www.catvets.com/cat-owners/disease-and-conditions/flutdhttp://www.catvets.com/cat-owners/disease-and-conditions/flutd

http://icatcare.org/advice/cat-health/feline-idiopathic-cystitis-fic


http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=612

Until you can get her to your vet, encourage her to drink more water.

If you have any Feliway, use it to help reduce any stress.

Cats do not process aspirin or other NSAIDs like we (or dogs) do, so let the vet decide what pain killers (if any) you should use.

 

I hope she feels better fast.

Kat (Mew Jersey)


Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2016 at 5:22 PM
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] urinary tract infection or stones in 8 year old cat

Homey is 8years old, non FELV. I just noticed yesterday that she is using flower pots just brought in and not the boxes. She has now gone to using both. I have watched her closely and she is not putting out much urine, maybe a quarter in size. I started Bragg's raw vinegar in both water fountains t increase urine accidity and will call vet first thing in the AM. Anything else I can do for her. The last time we dealt with this was about 8 years ago with my boy Harley.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....

[kat]

Just a caveat on cleaning - do not use lysol or pine-sol - they contain phenol which can be toxic to cats & birds.

Also, stay away from essential oils for cat & birds.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 6:08 PM
From: "Maira Favela" <mairafav...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone


Try researching natural suppliments or remedies on line. Also, have you considered seeing a holistic vetnerian? I have not been to one, but i have read and heard about them in the internet. Try also using curcumin and any food/vitamin supplyment that might help with inflamation. Try to keep your home and items clean/sanitary to avoid further infections, even items used for feeding/drinking. Bleach/lysol/ and disinfecting wipe will healp, and they don't need the expensive brand either. Also, try to turn on the shower head on hot water to creat steam, as this help him open up his nasal passages. Try also feeding him good fatty acids and oils, like oil based gel vitamin suppliments-preferably for kittens, even if the cat is an adult. Try also feeding him kitten food and milk, since these have more calories and nutriens than adult food-this might help him gain weight. Also, incorporate more canned food, and water comsumeption. This increase feedings. Hopefully, this might help him gain weight and heal better/sooner. Good luck. And if you have faith, pray, pray for your little fighter! Stay strong. Have hope. 

 
On Sep 25, 2016 12:06 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:


I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy ( Yogi) through  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something causing him pain at least 5 of them..   I put him on high doses of ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would likely have to be given chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a huge corneal abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)...   Now I've got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three times a day in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing. This on top of his continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and still with some blood in the stool.   The BIG problem in the moment is that I really can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to do this to him. but.when I tried to back off them before his Uveitis returned. There is a good chance it will return again. Has anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye inflammation that is not a corticosteroid??   I'll be frank   this little guy is using up every single dime and then some of my retirement " disposable" income and I simply won't be able to afford him pretty soon if I don't figure something out. beyond that... it is just too sad seeing him constantly suffering with one malady after another   Winstrol is not going to happen unless I go from Vet to Vet and hope I can find one that will work with me but  I honestly don't hold out a lot of hope for this guy He started getting sick very young and it's not gotten any better.  My other guy is holding his own and I haven't had him to the vet more than once for an upper respiratory infection.   I'm not just going to wait for the little guy to pass.  I'm thinking that if the Uveitis returns and there is nothing that will control it besides corticosteroids I'm going to let him go. He's just always hurting Hasn't been able to be a kitten for more than a few weeks since I brought him home   Add to this that my quality of life is pretty crappy at this point as I can take very little time away from home   I'd spend thousands that I don't have if I had any assurance that it would make a difference but not just to keep him " functional" until he fades away while his life becomes enduring constant medication... being nearly blind sleeping and eating and avoiding the advances of his house mate who still wants to play His " better" eye does not appear to be very functional which leaves him at risk if the other guy decides to jump him.   I sometimes separate them when I am out of the house but it appears that he prefers being out in the entire house even with the risk of the other guy Figure for the time he has I'll let him do as he prefers as long as it's not too dangerous..
But back to the original question. any thought or experiences with anti Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are not Corticosteroids...

thanks for any thoughts..
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[kat]

Good for you for not listening to the euthanasia nonsense.  Doxycycline is used in case the anemia is being caused by Hemobartonellosis (Hemobart for short).  But you said there was a piece of floss in his stool.  Floss can do all kinds of nasty stuff to a kitty's intestines.  He could have lost blood because of that.  Testing positive for FeLV is unfortunate, because now vets can focus on this instead of looking at the complete picture.  Some kitties can live for several years after testing positive, so do not give up hope.  How long have the 2 cats been best friends?  If the other cat has tested negative, it may very well be that she has a strong enough immune system.  Separating them now may only cause undue stress, which you don't want to do.  Concentrate on increasing the immune system, keeping them well fed & happy.  We never really know how long we have with them - whether they test positive or not...  I'm sure others will chime in here too.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 1:39 PM
From: "Liz McCarty" <emccart...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV


Hi everyone,

Looking for support, suggestions, and information. I've never had a cat with FeLV. We took our 1 year old, Hodor, to the vet because he seemed lethargic and in his stool there was a piece of floss that was red. At the vet things escalated and they told us he was severely anemic and would need a transfusion that day. I took off work and rushed him to a specialist. The vet there told us she would run an FeLV test before doing anything in case we wanted to avoid the extra tests and procedures. She told us he was FeLV positive and persistently talked to me and my fiance about euthanizing him which was out of the question for us. I took him to the vet thinking it was going to be minor and then she's talking to me about killing him! We went forward with the blood transfusion. It's been almost 3 weeks now. They had him on doxycycline  in case there was a bacterial cause, and prednisone. Last week he started interferon... Does anyone have experience with that and know if it was effective? I also started him on Pet Tinic.   Any other suggestions? Any insight into whether you think he will be able to pull through? He doesn't have cancer, they ran the tests but don't know if it's in the bone marrow.  I'm scared. We have another one year old, unrelated, and they are best friends. It breaks my heart to think they might be separated. She's not FeLV positive.

Additionally I have set up a go fund me to help with the costs we incurred, and I want to donate half to FeLV research if anyone is interested. 
http://www.gofundme.com/2mzdpgk

Mainly looking for support and advice. Thank you in advance.

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail

[kat]

It does seem quiet.  There have been only a few posts lately.

You can always log in to your account and re-save your current set-up.

It should also tell you if your account has been disabled.

I get the same thing periodically, and I'm not sure why either.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM
From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail

I've not had any mail from the group in about a month.
I hope this means you and your kitties are all doing well.
However I wonder if I've been dumped by the automatic system
that claims I have bounced mail, which I do NOT.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hello Terri (was: Different types of FeLV

[kat]

Hello Terri,

 

It's good to see you are still here!

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 at 11:45 PM
From: "Terri Brown" <siggies...@hotmail.com>
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Different types of FeLV



I think she may have meant the FIV vaccine.  FIV vaccines will cause the cat to always test positive.  That is not the case with the FeLV vaccine.
 

Killed virus FeLV vaccine is safe.

 

(The lurker comes out of the shadows for this one)

=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^=
 
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:06:27 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: "'Margo'" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>,
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Yes - she said because after they receive the FeLV vaccination, they always
test positive for FeLV. I did not know if this was true or not. She seemed
like she knew what she was talking about - she knows a lot about animal
nutrition etc. but of course is not a vet or anything.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


 Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?

Margo

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From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the
FeLV vaccine is not a good idea.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
compromised immune system?


My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my
old cats. She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some
positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are
not fully developed.


Lorrie

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:09:39 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: "'Margo'" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>,
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
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I know... I could not believe that she told me that. And yes, her dogs
are in contact with the dogs that go to her classes and also to her doggie
day care. Maybe she had to get them vaccinated when she went on her own and
opened her own business but when she worked at a different one, they were
not vaccinated. Yes, I agree she could get in trouble too - and yet, I see
her point too.

Ardy
 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


I have fed raw, but don't currently.

If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should
be careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only
takes one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and
she could be in deep doo-doo.
 

It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not be
vaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinated
and subjected to the same conditions as an unvaccinated animal.

It's a choice, but needs to be made with care.

Margo

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From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but
not for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.

I

Re: [Felvtalk] Possums eat ticks (was: different types of Felv

[kat]

From: Cary Institute of Ecosystems Studies - http://www.caryinstitute.org/newsroom/opossums-killers-ticks


"Several years ago, scientists ... tested six species — white-footed mice, chipmunks, squirrels, opossums and veerys and catbirds — by capturing and caging them, and then exposing each test subject to 100 ticks ... [O]f the six, the opossums were remarkably good at getting rid of the ticks — much more so that any of the others.

[A]mong other opossum traits, there is this: They groom themselves fastidiously, like cats. If they find a tick, they lick it off and swallow it ... Extrapolating from their findings, Ostfeld said, the team estimated that in one season, an opossum can kill about 5,000 ticks ... Some ticks end up getting their blood meal from the possum. But more than 90 percent of them ended up being groomed away and swallowed."

 

I haven't found anything about possums eating fleas, but it could be similar... (?)

Kat (Mew Jersey)


 

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 at 12:26 PM
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

My cats have not had vaccines for at least 5 years and they are healthy. They do not come into contact with others animals. When the coons coe around, they come to the door to be let in. Have more sense than some humans. We also do not do flea meds since Shorty ahd a severe reaction to them.
Something I heard the other day, Posssms eat ticks and fleas so let them come around to keep cats and dogs free of these pests. Anyone else heard that?

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) died right after having a rabies vaccination!
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>
>
> I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it. And if they can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>
>
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[kat]

Hi Robert,

 

If you need someone to get the Standard Process formulas for you - there is a chiropracter just over the NJ border (in Sussex) that carries them.  His name is Dr Wm Preston 973-875-8700.  You can tell him Kat recommended him.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 at 11:43 AM
From: "Rachel Dagner" <rdag...@novahrc.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...




What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic, taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it does turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they use that is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and see if that works so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be worth a try at least, I searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book, and it says a company called Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in researching animal glandulars, they used cow eye protein for uveitis, one of the companies he uses for his glandulars is called Standard Process you can’t buy their products unless you are a qualified health care professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet can help you get something like that to try if needed. I have read that you should never stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a diminishing dose. 

 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...


 

Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks ( diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to why at this time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or must it be continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  From Everything I have read this is a generally chronic condition that only remits


Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Eagle foster cat

[kat]

Dear Roxanne,

 


I am so sorry for your loss & the pain you are feeling.

 

Please don't beat yourself up - You said he was in congestive heart failure. I have had 2 kitties that developed this condition.  One died at home while I was at work, the other died at the vet's office while they were trying to stabilize him.  My vet explained to me that dogs in CHF are much easier to treat than cats are - a cat's prognosis is slim at best. 

 

You did your best for him & he died with you, not alone. Your choice did not kill him!!

 

I will light a candle for your kitty.  I am sending healing hugs to you.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 at 2:46 AM
From: "Roxanne Smith" <rescuek9li...@sbcglobal.net>
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Eagle foster cat



	
		
			
			This was a beloved foster. Not felv. However I need to express myself somewhere as I am depressed. He was eight months old and died Thursday on the way to door county. I was going out of town and needed to bring him with as he was on meds and was in congestive heart failure. I think he had a fatal heart attack. I feel if I would have left him home he would not have died. My choice killed him.
			
		
	

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Re: [Felvtalk] Membership

[kat]

Lorrie,

 

I get this occasionally too.  I usually just login to my account (you get the instructions each month) and change a setting & then change it back again.  This somehow seems to clear it up for a while.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 5:54 PM
From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Membership

Is anyone else getting these annoying threats of membership being
disabled? I do not get bounces or they'd come back to me as such.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[kat]

Ardy,

 

The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so successful.


 

Kat (Mew Jersey)


Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: 'Amy' <awilkin...@yahoo.com>, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary




Hi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, what do you mean by “most cats you have taken in have converted after some time”? Does that mean they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?

 


Thank you,

Ardy 


 



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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary



 



Lorrie,



 



That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these kitties



 



Let me know!



Thanks Amy



 









From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary




>
>    Lorrie,
>
>    Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>
>    Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Website - Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[kat]

Hi All,

 

Instead of creating another website, why can't we use   http://felineleukemia.org/


This is the website that our list master, James, created quite a while ago.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 


Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 10:08 PM
From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol




Hi Rachel

 

Truth be told, I would much rather be with my cats than working well into the night at my office. I am awaiting the arrival of a new baby who I am told is palliative. She has cancer. I am going to do my best to make her happy and comfortable, but I have never simply accepted a death sentence so I will see what I can do when she arrives.

 

I am looking forward to any feedback on a website where we can gather the necessary information to help others with FeLV cats.

 

Amani 

 

 

 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-15-16 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol



 


I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 



 



Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul. 



 



A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.

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On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:




Hi Rachel

 

I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO.

 

Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance.

 

I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me that maybe it was

Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

[kat]

Lorrie,

 

Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 at 5:21 PM
From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


> ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM.

Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with
13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary.

Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a
sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in
town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats.
The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have
completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat
posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos. All
are neutered or spayed of course!

I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details.

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Ardy please don't think I am crazy!

[kat]

Rachel,

 

If this makes you crazy, then I am right there with you!! 

 

Several of my cats (not all of them though) have come to me after they crossed over.  Mostlly via dreams, but I had been very sick at one point and as I was laying on my couch (okay, only semi-conscious) I actually felt one of my cats laying across my stomach, purring - like she used to do whenever she felt I needed it. 

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 at 10:28 AM
From: "Rachel Dagner" <rdag...@novahrc.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ardy please don't think I am crazy!




Hi Ardy,

 

I have been thinking about you a lot, and wanted to share something with you, even at the risk of you and everyone else thinking I am crazy.

 

Many years ago my Mom lost her golden retriever Buffy. She had a really rough time with it. One day she called me and told me she had a dream the night before, and Buffy came to her, she was young and healthy and had her happy golden face on. She didn’t say anything, I guess because dogs can’t talk. But Mom felt she was trying to tell her that she was ok now, and happy and not to worry or be sad. I didn’t really know what to think about her dream, but was grateful it made her feel better.

 

My Grandma passed away several years ago, and Mom was going through all of the very strong emotions we feel when having to endure such a loss.  A few days after she passed my Mom was in her car getting ready to leave the house and she remembered she had wanted to water her plants. While she was in her back yard a big beautiful butterfly came along and was following her along and landing nearby her. It continued to do this for quite some time. She took a picture and sent it to me and told me she knew it was strange but she had a strong feeling it had something to do with Grandma. We later read somewhere that butterflies can be used as spiritual messengers. 

 

About a year ago, my very good friends Mother in law passed away. He told me, you know it is really weird Rachel, we were out in the garden and there were so many butterflies today. The Mother in law had loved butterflies and had pictures of them in her room. He told me they thought it was really beautiful and made them think of her. So I told him about mom and her butterfly and what we had read, and we were both like…h. 

 

So even though everyone might think I am crazy, I hope we all are lucky enough to get a sign or message that makes us feel more at peace.  I can just imagine Tigger, with all of the mischief you told us he got into, running around and having the time of his life, and not having time yet to send a message. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger

[kat]

Ardy,

 

I am so sorry to hear that Tigger went to the Rainbow Bridge!  Words are so inadequate when the heart hurts so much. Please know that we share your sorrow.  Sending you virtual hugs.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 at 8:51 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

Hi Rachel and everyone on this site,

Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday morning stroll and then asking for a snack!

Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I have been planning to send a message about him, here goes  Tigger was doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we love him. I am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such as blood draws.

I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the Winstrol was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that the veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little orange furball who rescued us five and a half years ago.

I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the roller coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing with me at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him.

For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, we can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the cupboard doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, but I would gladly go back to all of that to have him back.

I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the five wonderful years Tigger spent with us!

Thank you,
Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subj

Re: [Felvtalk] Saving them all - was:Merlot

[kat]

I would also love to rescue them all - that is how I ended up with a house full of "misfits".  I was helping my local shelter with rescue & foster - the 'adoptables' were socialized & brought back to the shelter for adoption - the ones that had "problems" I have kept...

 

What I would really love to see happen is for every single veterinary school to open a *free* neuter/spay clinic, regardless of income!  The schools are already set up to accept donations, bequeaths, etc, so not only would it give the student vets practice it would be addressing the problem of overpopulation at the roots.


 

Kat (Mew Jersey)


WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO HELP ALL THE HELPLESS AND NEEDY. IF I WIN THE SWEEPS OR PUBLISHER'S CLEARING HOUSE SWEEPS, I WOULD BUY A LOT OF LAND AND TAKE THEM ALL IN.

 Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
> I'm so sad for you Maya, the hurt of losing Merlot must be terrible.
> I'm now age 82 and I've been rescuing cats for 50 years. I've lost so
> many to old age or Felv, and it's heart breaking. The only comfort we
> have is knowing we loved those precious cats and made their lives,
> however short they might be, as wonderful as we could. So many cats
> never know love, the warmth of a home and food. I only wish I could
> save them all.
>
> Lorrie with 14 rescued cats at home and 32 in my shelter.
>
>
>
> On 11-17, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>
> > I have lost 14 due to FELV and old age. Be it FELV or old age, it
> > hurts the same, but you must know that you did all you could and
> > Merlot knew that.
> >
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[kat]

Maya - I am so sorry for your loss. 

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 7:59 AM
From: "Maya D'Alessio" <mde...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes


Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your support over the month, it has been incredible.

On Nov 17, 2015 12:48 AM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:

They sense our love and concern.  I often bring a sick furbaby on my bed and stay awake all night because I am afraid they will get worse and I will not know in time to do something for them.  People think I am nuts, but I cannot not be concerned.

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> I think when you really love your cat, you are inclined to observe every
> little thing and try to understand how they are feeling based on their
> actions/behavior. That gives you the insight into knowing what works and
> what does not. They may have the book training, but nothing replaces loving
> and observing.. and of course the love is returned. Our Tigger, when he
> was at his sickest and we thought he would not make it through the night,
> dragged himself into our bedroom during the night and could not get up on
> the bed by any means, but laid on the floor on my hubby's side where he felt
> safer being near his "mommy and daddy". (call me Cookoo)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lorrie
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:02 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
> You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable about
> cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
>
> Lorrie
>
>
> On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>
> > Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
> > Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Upsetting notices

[kat]

Hi Lorrie,

 

I've seen this in the past - something about the server I was using wasn't accepting all of my messages (I have my settings set to include my email on any posts I make).  Make sure that "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" is listed in your white-list/allowed list.  The password is assigned if you do not specify one in your settings. 

 

Just go to

http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/options/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org


and enter your email & the password that was assigned & make sure your settings are okay, or enter a new password. (make sure the password is NOT one you use for other accounts as it will be provided back to you on the monthly reminders.

 

Hope this helps...

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

 

 


Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:48 AM
From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Upsetting notices

I keep getting these notices that they will drop me for bounces and
I have not had any bounces or my system would advise me of this.

Has anyone else had this happen? It is most upsetting to me as
this is my favorite cat group with such valuable help for FelV.

I don't know what they mean about my password (see below) this is NOT
my password. Can someone please help me with this problem. I have to
keep reinstating my membership.

Lorrie


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Subject: confirm 95546e96fdcd66e1edc4efb4617ff74218c51892
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Your membership in the mailing list Felvtalk has been disabled due to
excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
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you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like
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To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message
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You can also visit your membership page at

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Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco

[kat]

Hi Kelley,

 

I received a recipe for a raw liver shake for sick kitties many years ago & have used iit with great success to get my picky ones interested in food again.  I try to use organic, grass-fed beef liver, but I have also used chicken livers sometimes.  I hope this helps.


 

THE '~LIVER SHAKE~' FOR SICK CATS (Note: I got this recipe back in April 1998):

This liquid food is appropriate for cats suffering from conditions where they are eating very little or not at all such as anemias, leukemias, deficiency states with symptoms of lethargy, listlessness, and weakness.

1 cup RAW LIVER (BEEF, or CHICKEN)
1 cup FRESH CARROT JUICE or V-8, or Tomato Juice
1/4 cup *FRESH FILTERED WATER
1 RAW EGG YOLK
1 tsp.KELP POWDER OR SPIRULINA


COMBINE AND MIX IN A BLENDER UNTIL LIQUIFIED. (Note: it will be frothy)

Dosage:

Administer 10 cc daily 3-6 times a day. (60 cc per day max)

Some cats will need to be force-fed with a syringe, while others will drink it out of a bowl.

This food has a sweet and salty taste and the energetic properties of tonifying (energy boosting), warming and stimulating and supports the kidneys, spleen, liver and stomach.

This drink is a complete dinner for a sick cat until they feel good enough to eat by themselves again.

*Substitute rice water if the cat has diarrhea.
Rice water is made by boiling white rice (2 Tbsps.) with water (1cup) for 30 minutes. This liquid aids digestion and assimilation and inhibits the symptoms of diarrhea.

Deborah C. Mallu, DVM
Holistic Veterinary Care
215 Disney lane
Sedona, AZ 86336

FYI -Dr. Mallu was asked about forwarding the Liver Shake recipe on to allo vets, she said to credit it to Dr. Ihor Basko in Kauai, Hawaii - fyi.

Kat from "Mew" Jersey

Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 at 5:25 AM
From: "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com>
To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco


I continue to be really worried.  She is so very thin and eats almost nothing.  She IS eating, just not much at all.  I have gotten some AD and am going to try to syringe it to her. 

 






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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge

[kat]

Oh Kelly,

 

I am so sorry to hear this!!!  I will light a candle to help light his way tonight. 

My thoughts & prayers are with you at this sad time.  

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 3:08 PM
From: "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge


They say his heart gave out.
 

Kelley

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Re: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin

[kat]

Kelley,

 

Sending stay-strong, healing prayers to both you & Merlin.  Please let us know what the vet says.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM
From: "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin



Hi all,

 

Merlin has stopped eating his wet food.  I had noticed more and more food remaining in the FELV cat room and watched him carefully tonight.  He is also not grooming.  He DID pass a normal amount of stool (which I guess means he has been eating something), unfortunately he passed the stool on his blankie and then lay down right there.  I am going to try to get him into the vet in the am, but it is Saturday and I know he will be busy.  If he can't work me in I am going to at least try to get some AD and see if I can syringe feed it to him.

 

Kelley

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Re: [Felvtalk] Gloria Lane

[kat]

Sleep Soft, Dear Gloria...



There will be s many kitties waiting to greet you at the Rainbow Bridge.

http://www.novareinna.com/bridge/rescuerain.html



We will deeply miss you.

Kat

(Mew Jersey)




Sent:Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 11:25 AM
From:Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:[Felvtalk] Gloria Lane

Hi List,

Just wanted to let everyone know that Gloria Lane passed away last Saturday. You may have seen or corresponded with Gloria here. She was a frequent contributor to several FeLV+ support groups.

Gloria was a dedicated foster, volunteer, and all-around compassionate woman who worked with Feline Rescue and Rehome (FuRR) and no doubt other groups. MC could tell you more about the specifics. I know that they worked together both online and off to help cats in need.

My personal memories are that Gloria responded with kindness and support to some of my early (panicky) posts after Ember tested positive in 2006, and she kept responding when Id post concerns.

We will miss her.

Rest in peace, Gloria.

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Re: [Felvtalk] pregnant FeLV cat

[Kat Parker]

PLEASE have the abort the kittens.  We have our vets here for the
​ FCC terminate cats pregnancies up until the time of birth, sometimes. And
if you have watched many kittens die of FeLV, like I have,you wouldnt wish
that on them.  Not Only born to die,but a terrible death that is
unnecessary.I realize I am not replying in a timely manner, and I hope
it is not too late, but please, do the right thing by these kittens.Also,
in terms of Momma's Stress, no doubt about it, kitten birth, nursing, the
stress involved,and watching her own kittens die one by one.  Please
terminate this pregnancy.






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 I don't know how far along. ?Just got this kitty right after Christmas.
 ?The vet can feel her kittens, though, so I guess it's not just the
 beginning. ?The vet is trying to get some information also - she is
 concerned about this cat, even though the cat is healthy right now. ?If you
 can tell me anything, or what most vets do, etc. ?it would be great. ?This
 is a darling kitty (aren't they all?)Judy?

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 How far along ?


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 Does anyone know if it is better (less stressful) for a pregnant FeLV cat
 to carry her kittens to term or is it better to have the kittens aborted
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stinky Lancelot is gone

[Kat Parker]

Thank you

On Sunday, December 28, 2014, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I HAV GONE THROUGH THE BLAMING MYSELF TOO.  YOU CANNOT BLAME YOURSELF FOR
 DOING ONLY WHAT YOU KNEW TO DO.  iT WILL NOT HELP lANCELOT, BUT YOU HAVE
 LEARNED WHAT NOT TO DO AND WHAT TO DO.  THE NEXT BABIES THAT COME INTO YOUR
 HANDS WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS LESSON LEARNED.  EACH TIME WE GO THROUGH
 SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE LEARN AND FUTURE CATS WILL BENEFIT FROM THAT
 KNOWLEDGE.  YOU KNOW AT LEAST, THAT HE IS NOW AT PEACE AND OUT OF PAIN.
 DON'T BEAT YOURSELF UP TOO MUCH.  IT DOESN'T HELP.  I KNOW, BEEN THERE,
 DONE THAT.  WILL KEEP YOU IN MY PRAYERS AND YOUR SON.

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  *Once upon a time, almost 4 years ago, I was fostering for a group, which
  incidentally had major problems later, called Guardian Angels.  I was
 also
  indie fostering myself, for cats from Downey high kill shelter in LA.  I
  had recently pulled a mama with 3 babies that had raging URI, newborn
  kittens with pneumonia, and sadly lost two, though through the magic of
 the
  nebulizer, one kitten, Kiwi, and Mama Goldie were saved.  Mama was
  despondent for her babies gone, and Guardian Angels brought me two
 babies,
  different litters.  One, Angelina Jolie, was one day old.  The other, who
  we named Mimi, was one week old.  The woman who brought them to me said I
  should put them with Goldie to see if she would accept them  I did.
 Now, I
  am a very experienced bottle feeder, and I could have bottle fed them
 both,
  and I did supplementally bottle feed them, but Goldie was so happy, and
  cared for the babies all so well, and it was quite a sight those three
 all
  nursing.  I will NEVER AGAIN place untested babies on an unrelated
 nursing
  mom, again.  Never. As you can guess, one of the babies was FeLV+,
  unbeknownst to us.  About a month later, I took a cat who was about 8
 weeks
  old from Downey, who came with the name, Precious (we called her Isis, or
  just the buzzsaw),and that same week, GA brought me the saddest bunch
 of
  siblings I had ever seem, pulled by our San Diego firefighters out of a
  well, during a rainstorm.  From what I understand, somebody, apparently,
  had been walking in the rain, and heard some little frantic mews from
  somewhere nearby.  Investigating, they found a covered well, with water
  rising to the top,and kittens inside.  The fire dept responded and freed
  the kittens, turning them over to GA, and then to me.  These babies had
  muck everywhere, and fleas on parts of their bodies you couldn't even
 see,
  just overrun.  I have pictures its amazing.  But, these were some of the
  friendliest  most endearing kittens I've ever had here, and it wasn't
 long
  before the two black sisters were adopted out, through GA. Then, the
 little
  Mimi kitten got really sick and tested positive for FeLV, finally
  euthanized at 8 weeks old.  I tested all of the cats, then, and none who
  came into contact with her were positive.  I didn't know much about the
  disease then.  Boy, I do now.  Well the orange boy, Stinky Lancelot, and
  Angelina Jolie as well as Isis were going to Rescue House, a terrific
 local
  rescue org here, and they have wonderful protocol there, and tested all
  three kittens.  Sadly, this time, two were positive, Isis neg.  Isis was
  kept iso'd at their vet for an entire month to retest and be sure.
 Stinky
  and Angelina came home, and didn't get into RH, although they did pay for
  retest in them, at 60 days, just to be sure they didn't turn negative,
 as
  so many do.  Isis stayed negative, as did Mama Goldie, and Angelina
 Jolie,
  my little miracle baby, who later got FIP and died in my arms at a vet,
 at
  8 months old and Stinky Lancelot stayed positive.  Stinky went to live
 with
  my mom, who had no other animals then, after her 21 yr old rescued
 Peekaboo
  kitty passed, and was a perfect fit.  What a ham, what a life!  My son
 also
  lived there during this time, and the two became best friends.  Two weeks
  ago, Stinky went to my vet as he was not feeling well, and had like
 little
  pools of blood inside the bottom of both his  eyes.  Bloodwork was done,
  and it was found that he had raging leukemia cancer, severe anemia, with
  his white cell count, especially leukocytes, right through the roof.  As
  this progressed, quickly, I wanted to take him in to gently help him
 pass,
  but my son was having such a hard time letting go, I wasn't able to.
  Finally, about 1 am dec 26th, David was pounding on my front door,
 ringing
  the bell like crazy, and woke me.  He said, Stinky is doing bad, he's in
  lots of pain and gramma can't find the pain meds, help him!  So I drove
  there and got him through the night, and next morning we got in to see my
  vet early for euthanization.  But when they tried to put a catheter in,
 dr
  could find no veins at all.  We had waited too long.  Stinky was
 completely
  blind with thick cataracts, and one eye

[Felvtalk] Stinky Lancelot is gone

[Kat Parker]

 it, or looking for a nursing mom.  Goodbye dear Stinky
Lancelot.  You were so loved, during you short life here with us.  You are
gone, but will never be forgotten, and the love will live forever.  *





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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 12

[Kat Parker]

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 Cc: one23di...@aol.com javascript:;
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My Moe
 Message-ID: 20140921215254.2CJ3N.12814.root@pamxwww09-z01
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 I HAVE A 24 HOUR EMERGENCY VET BECAUSE THINGS ALWAYS HAPPEN IN THE MIDDLE
 OF THE NIGHT OR ON WEEKENDS.

  one23di...@aol.com javascript:; wrote:
  I'm not sure if I am doing this posting properly or not, but here goes.


 Moe is my felv+ heart kitty.  A few days ago I noticed he was sneezing,
 and of course my vet is on vacation.  Started him on Amoxi-tabs (1 tablet,
 twice daily).  It has been 3 days and I think he is sneezing more and one
 eye has some discharge.


 I do have some other antibiotics in the house (clavamox, doxy) and
 wondered if one of them would be a better choice.


 The vet is not due back for another 10 days


 Any suggestions would be most welcome.
 leslie  Moe and the furballs





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 Dear Sirs,
 I am begging for help for my feline leukemia and aids diagnosed 4yr old
 female cat. I need to buy lymphocyte t cell monomodulator vials. She is
 only experiencing an upper respiratory infection at this point. She eats,
 and does not seem to be in the latent stage. My girlfriend is a vet
 assistant. She can subcutaneously inject her. After the first 3 injections,
 I will have her blood monitored. Is there any possibility of purchasing
 this medication? I can not afford to have the primary vet purchase and
 administer the medication. I am disabled, not employed, and receive
 $1400.00 a month. Please help me.. I need to have the medication
 administered as soon as possible. I don't want her to die or suffer.


 Sincerely,
 Lori Wiesenthal
 16 Lincoln Pl.
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 201-952-2410
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[Kat Parker]

That just mailed itself off. Lol. Cont... But my awesome Pawsome i have to
give orbax to, because she had a bad reaction. Luckily, it wasn't an awful
reaction and next day vet worked fine. So, if you were to start on
something you picked a good drug. Lol. Anyway, i am lucky i live in an area
with many vets around.

As gor the LTCI, i am going to do the same thing. You will need a vet to
consign you, though, and order your medication, as well as do periodic
blood tests. That's the ticket. Lol. I have a friend in la who is already
doing this and that's where i got the idea.

Kat

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2. Re: My Moe (Lance)
3. Re: My Moe (Maya D'Alessio)
4. Re: My Moe (Marsha)
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 I'm not sure if I am doing this posting properly or not, but here goes.


 Moe is my felv+ heart kitty.  A few days ago I noticed he was sneezing,
 and of course my vet is on vacation.  Started him on Amoxi-tabs (1 tablet,
 twice daily).  It has been 3 days and I think he is sneezing more and one
 eye has some discharge.


 I do have some other antibiotics in the house (clavamox, doxy) and
 wondered if one of them would be a better choice.


 The vet is not due back for another 10 days


 Any suggestions would be most welcome.
 leslie  Moe and the furballs
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 Your post came through fine. Can you consult with another vet? I was
 reluctant to give any medicine (or supplement) to my Ember without getting
 a professional?s advice and approval. That said, I?m sure others here can
 discuss what they?ve used in similar situations.

 I hope Moe is less sneezy tomorrow.

 Lance

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:20 PM, one23di...@aol.com javascript:; wrote:

  I'm not sure if I am doing this posting properly or not, but here goes.
 
  Moe is my felv+ heart kitty.  A few days ago I noticed he was sneezing,
 and of course my vet is on vacation.  Started him on Amoxi-tabs (1 tablet,
 twice daily).  It has been 3 days and I think he is sneezing more and one
 eye has some discharge.
 
  I do have some other antibiotics in the house (clavamox, doxy) and
 wondered if one of them would be a better choice.
 
  The vet is not due back for another 10 days
 
  Any suggestions would be most welcome.
  leslie  Moe and the furballs
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 I would definitely say go to another vet. We educate ourselves well, but we
 aren't vets, we can't know everything.
 On Sep 21, 2014 8:29 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm javascript:;
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  Your post came through fine. Can you consult with another vet? I

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6

[Kat Parker]

 to find another home.
ie. an older cat, or a cat from a society that they were about to put
 down.
  
   What do you guys think / what has your vet said to you about this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6

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   contact, but the lady made it seem that for the 20 years she's been
 running
   the place she has only had a handful of FELV+ cats, none of them died
 from
   it, and she had a 19 year old cat who had lived with all of them test
   negative for FELV recently.  I can't imagine being responsible for
 exposing
   another cat to the virus and getting them sick, but I also feel bad for
   Merlot who is lonely.  I was thining maybe I would consider (in six
 months
   or so), trying to take in a cat who was not going to find another home.
ie. an older cat, or a cat from a society that they were about to put
 down.
  
   What do you guys think / what has your vet said to you about this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6

[Kat Parker]

Okay, no need to shout lol   Personally, if my vet wouldn't treat my
positive unvaxxed for rabies cat, I'd find a different vet. But, vet
issue aside, i totally understand her stance since the bat but her cat.
Totally.

On Thursday, August 14, 2014, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 SOME VETS WILL NOT TREAT AN UNVACCINATED CAT, POS OR NOT.

  Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote:
  Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so
  either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with
 being
  positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again,
  probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a
  positive cat?  The law is ot going to be enforced in your home  it's not
 a
  big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have
 that
  antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop
  antibodies.
 
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   Hi Lance,
  
   I am not sure!  I will ask her.  She is pretty great.  Didn't even
   consider euth. when he tested positive.  Went ahead and neutered Leo
 and
   told me the news later that day.
  
   I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year
 when
   I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating.
  
   Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the
 vet
   clinic.  I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP.
  
   We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between
   vaccines if do the FVRCP.  I thought that was good of her
   to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once.  I
 never
   realized that until a few years ago.
  
   I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this,  will probably
 just
   do the rabies though for now.
  
   Shelley
  
  
   On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
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   wrote:
  
I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto
   Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem
 to
   recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we
 never
   did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at
 the
   vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her
 enough.
   
If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go
   with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a
 fibrosarcoma (we
   used to call them vax site sarcomas).
   
Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and
 protective
   cat parent.
   
Best wishes for you and Leo,
   
Lance
   
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Hi All,
   
I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about
 how
   everyone feels about vaccinating
their Leukemia pos. cats in general.
   
The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is
   caused cats to become ill afterwards.
   
I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the
   Purevax like I did last year, but he
has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first
 got
   him and he was neutered and
I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards.  At the time I
   thought he was a feral cat, he actually was,
but has since become quite tame.
   
Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the
   cautionary emails on the subject.
I guess my only worry

Re: [Felvtalk] remedy for feline UTI?

[kat]

Hi Dotty,

Congrats on helping Tiger! It's so nice to hear about happy endings.

To help Shamus, you will need to determine what his constitutional remedy 
should be to help re-balance his energy so his body can heal. The good folks 
over at Holisticat have much more knowledge about homeopathy than I do 
(especially the list-mom, Sandy). The website is http://www.holisticat.com/ and 
the forum is http://www.holisticat.com/forum/

Sending healing, stay strong thoughts to both you  Shamus.

Kat (Mew Jersey)
- Original Message -
From: dot winkler
Sent: 10/07/13 06:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] remedy for feline UTI?

Hi everyone out there. It's me again - Dotty. With another cat problem. But 
first, an update on Tiger. I want you all to know that because of your 
help and support and advice and financial assistance, Tiger is a success story. 
He was vetted last year by me and finally given to my sister in law. He has 
overcome his gum issues with the FIV and wheezing problem finally. He has a 
wonderful, loving home with my sister in law and niece as an indoor cat. He has 
filled out and is very healthy and happy. I owe a part of his success to you - 
to the people who were able to contribute to his costly care. And to everyone 
in this group - a wonderful group full of supportive people and full of advice, 
stories and a wealth of tried and true information. Thank you all. Dotty 
Winkler Back to my cat at home - Shamus - 10 + YO male. Stray i took in last 
year to save. Had urinary crystals. Cured of that with surgical procedure. 
However, contracted Staph and E coli infec from the catheterization and 
surgical prc. . Hospitalized at vet with IV fluids and sent home with anti b 
however is having a hard time throwing this off. Are there any homeopathic 
remedies for this that you all could recommend? What are yourexperiences with 
this? Thank you, worried about Shamus - Dotty  
From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 
Monday, October 7, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I just 
figured our kitties are fine and we’re hunkering down getting ready for Fall! 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth 
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 12:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? Yahoo. was having some problems a few 
weeks ago. Sometimes nobody, thankfully, is having any problems. Sometimes no 
news is good news Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
 From:kat merrykatme...@email.com To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days.. It has 
been quiet. Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Lee Evans 
Sent: 10/07/13 01:25 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?  I 
haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! Yahoo was 
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Re: [Felvtalk] remedy for feline UTI?

[kat]

Maybe the Doxy was Rx'd in case there is any Hemobart causing anemia??
- Original Message -
From: Margo
Sent: 10/08/13 10:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] remedy for feline UTI?

Hi Lauren and Jynx,
 There's usually somone around to help, so please ask whenever you have 
questions. I have two confirmed positives, two probables and who knows how many 
more. Long story :( But, can you tell us a bit more? What is the strength of 
the doxycycline suspension you're using? I ask because it's such a small 
amount, but if you've had it compounded, it's probably formulated just for him. 
Usual dose I've used for cats is 10 mg/kg once daily, but your Vet may have 
better info about maintaining therapuetic concentration with divided dosing. 
Here's one reference,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3187973 
I'm guessing that Doxy is being used in case there's something other than the 
FeLV contributing to the enlarged spleen and anemia, but maybe you can give us 
more info, and whether it might be of use to some of us, as well. My boys are 
on interferon (human) and DMG consistently and Zenequin and Famciclovir as 
needed.
Sorry you have to be here, but glad you found us. Maybe we can help.
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message-
From: Lauren Carlisle
Sent: Oct 8, 2013 9:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] remedy for feline UTI? 

Hey everyone, I didn't realize y'all really used this but I'm glad you do! My 
Jynx is newly diagnosed FeLV positive and I've been trying to learn as much as 
possible about the disease. Unfortunately, his has already manifested itself 
and has a chronic fever, an enlarged spleen, and a little jaundice. He's on 
0.5ml Doxy 2x day, 0.5 Prednisone 2x day, VitaDrops, and a lysine supplement. 
He's feeling a lot better now but I'm still worried

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 8, 2013, at 6:44 AM, kat  merrykatme...@email.com  wrote:

Hi Dotty,

Congrats on helping Tiger! It's so nice to hear about happy endings.

To help Shamus, you will need to determine what his constitutional remedy 
should be to help re-balance his energy so his body can heal. The good folks 
over at Holisticat have much more knowledge about homeopathy than I do 
(especially the list-mom, Sandy). The website is http://www.holisticat.com/  
and the forum is http://www.holisticat.com/forum/ 

Sending healing, stay strong thoughts to both you  Shamus.

Kat (Mew Jersey)
- Original Message -
From: dot winkler
Sent: 10/07/13 06:42 PM
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] remedy for feline UTI?

Hi everyone out there. It's me again - Dotty. With another cat problem. But 
first, an update on Tiger. I want you all to know that because of your 
help and support and advice and financial assistance, Tiger is a success story. 
He was vetted last year by me and finally given to my sister in law. He has 
overcome his gum issues with the FIV and wheezing problem finally. He has a 
wonderful, loving home with my sister in law and niece as an indoor cat. He has 
filled out and is very healthy and happy. I owe a part of his success to you - 
to the people who were able to contribute to his costly care. And to everyone 
in this group - a wonderful group full of supportive people and full of advice, 
stories and a wealth of tried and true information. Thank you all. Dotty 
Winkler Back to my cat at home - Shamus - 10 + YO male. Stray i took in last 
year to save. Had urinary crystals. Cured of that with surgical procedure. 
However, contracted Staph and E coli infec from the catheterization and 
surgical prc. . Hospitalized at vet with IV fluids and sent home with anti b 
however is having a hard time throwing this off. Are there any homeopathic 
remedies for this that you all could recommend? What are yourexperiences with 
this? Thank you, worried about Shamus - Dotty  
From: Bonnie Hogue  ho...@sonic.net  To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent: 
Monday, October 7, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I just 
figured our kitties are fine and we’re hunkering down getting ready for Fall! 
From:Felvtalk [ felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: 
Monday, October 07, 2013 12:15 PM To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: 
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? Yahoo. was having some problems a few weeks ago. 
Sometimes nobody, thankfully, is having any problems. Sometimes no news is good 
news Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.Furkids.org  
 From:kat  merrykatme...@email.com  To:  
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days.. It has 
been quiet. Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Lee Evans 
Sent: 10/07/13 01:25 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?  I 
haven't received any messages

Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?

[kat]

I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days..

It has been quiet.

Kat (Mew Jersey)
- Original Message -
From: Lee Evans
Sent: 10/07/13 01:25 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?

I haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! Yahoo was 
sending back my messages with the information that the address no longer 
exists. What gives?
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia

[kat]

Hi Lance,

I have not had experience with congenital hernias - but I would be concerned 
since Ember is FelV+

You might want to check back with her 2 vets about using anesthesia  putting 
her thru the stress of surgery.

Kat (Mew Jersey)
- Original Message -
From: Lance
Sent: 06/13/13 04:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] [OT] congenital peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia

My 11 year old FeLV+, Ember, was diagnosed with a congenital 
peritoneopericardial diaphragmatic hernia after CT scans and a consult between 
a surgeon and a radiologist. So far, her symptoms haven't been too scary: rapid 
breathing (but not open mouth breathing or panting) and an odd posture she 
sometimes assumes where she will stand with her forelegs and lie down with 
her back legs. This tells me that she might be having some discomfort (one lobe 
of her liver is involved in the hernia). She settles into lying down without 
problem, and she rests normally. The symptoms have only begun in the last few 
months, as far as I know (Ember and I weren't in the same part of the world for 
almost a year). We'd been fearing cancer, so this would seem to be good news. 
The surgeon is gung-ho to take care of business, and he has an excellent 
reputation with a lot of experience and education. However, I just spoke to one 
of Ember's two vets about this, and he said, If she were my cat, I don't think 
I would do it. He's concerned about moving the liver, and more importantly, 
about the surgeon having enough to work with when the hernia is likely 
congenital. Has anyone on the list had experience with congenital hernias in 
cats? I'd really like to get some more input before I make a decision. Thanks, 
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[Felvtalk] L-lysine

[Kat Parker]

I've used L-lysine capsules over the years just fine--same ones people
take.  Buy them at a health food store.  For an adult, average sized cat
(8-12 pounds +/-), buy the 500 mg capsules, open them up, and use roughly
half mixed in with a can of cat food,or equivalent.  Ideally, you use 250
in the morning,250 in the evening. During flare-ups you can dose as high as
1000a day,given in two doses, split equally.   It is nearly impossible for
a cat to overdose on L-lysine as it is water soluble and what is not used
is peed out right away.And, the treatment will probably need to be
given for life,for the same reason.  It works only when you give it, and it
must be given every 12 hours (twice a day).

Lysine supplements also come in a variety of products formulated as treats,
paste, powder, tablets and chews, so it’s easier for cats to take, too,but
I have always used the 500 mg capsules.
*

Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=

**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**
Spay  neuter your neighbors...  maybe THAT will fix the problem.*
*Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE  HAPPY
cat!*

*http://www.facebook.com/kat.theCRITTERprotector*



 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Rachel Raven kandyrac...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc:
 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:06:24 -0500
 Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine
 My vet has a pharmacy mix up a cat suitable dosage of liquid L-Lysine
 (with fish flavoring). It is quite expensive and I always have some
 left over. I was wondering if anyone knows if this stuff can still be
 used after the use by date or not?

 Also I've seen in health food stores lysine capsules. I was wondering
 if anyone uses that for their cat and in what dosage? Or if anyone
 knows if that would be something that could be done? I figured it
 would probably be okay if the conversions were right but since the mix
 I get from the pharmacy also contains some sort of fish flavor that
 may change the ml so I don't know.

 Thank you for any help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

[Kat Parker]

*Hello Lee, and others,

Lee, would you, by any chance,know how I could find that true study?  I
would love to get my hands on that!

I was contacted by some residents of a small island off the coast of
Southern California,Santa Catalina Island.  The Island is owned by the
Wriggly family, same Wriggleys who make the chewing gum.  It only has about
400 or so year round residents, because it is a small island, and only a
tiny portion of it is inhabited.  Most of the island (85%) is a nature
conservancy, and the Wriggleys are very proud of this contribution to
nature and science.  Well, tourism is the mainstay of the island locals
living in Avalon (the town on the island) and people boat and fly
over,often bringing their cats,and sometimes the cats stay, either on
accident or purposefully lefty there.  So, the island has a large feral
population,as the island has no real vet or vet hospital, but only a
weekend vet, more or less.  To be fair, they weekend vet,along with help
from Pasadena Humane Society, has made an effort to TNR some of the cats
of Avalon.  The problem lies in that on the 85 percent of the island not
easily accessible to humans, some cats,though ve5ry difficult and arduous
to survive on, have taken up residence on the 85%.  So,those cats are not
only not easily trappable, if at all possible to do, but have been reeking
havoc on the islands wildlife balance.

Some of the Avalon locals contact6ed me to help with TNR and said the cats
need a solution:  Wriggleys don't want to kill them,because of the bad
publicity it would bring, but something has to be done.So while I was
preparing to present something to the Wriggley family to help solve the
problem without a bloodbath, I got another message that the Wriggleys hired
an exterminator company and most of the cats on Avalon,  were now gone.

It would be great to have that study to use right about now...  *
*
Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=

**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**
*





  Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
  All these killer cat articles are a backlash against TNR. It's
 unfortunate that some people are so mentally paralyzed that they don't
 realize that spaying and neutering a cat (or dog) will stop the
 reproductive cycle. A spayed cat is a spayed cat, one cat. An intact cat is
 a cat and then more and more cats with each birth of kittens. I have spoken
 to people who say, Well yes, but even if you spay the cat you still have a
 cat. Using this logic, any time you have a quantity of individuals who are
 considered too many, including human overpopulation you should look
 towards a solution that involves killing the individuals, which instantly
 rids the area of the unwanted human or non human but doesn't solve the long
 term problem of overpopulation. Hitler tried this form of birth control,
 killing those individuals that he thought were not valuable and should not
 reproduce. Obviously, it didn't work too well. Any time killing is involved
 in population
   control, there will be people who will not go along with the program
 because of issues like compassion and aversion to death.

 Now here's a true study. There was a town in Arizona or Colorado (not sure
 which State) that did have a large number of free-roaming cats. They did
 trap them and kill them and were down to very few cats. Most of the
 remaining cats were kept inside. It was actually against the law to allow
 cats outside. Mother Nature hates to be tampered with. In a year, the town
 was overrun by rats and mice and crop eating small mammals. People were so
 upset that the City Council voted to import several hundred cats from
 shelters in surrounding towns so that they could rebuild their outside cat
 population.  It seems that in spite of the 150 million estimate of cats and
 the billions of dead mice and rats and birds, we see no dearth of mice,
 rats and birds, including song birds. And yes, cats are an introduced
 species although the cat family of larger cats such as mountain lions, bob
 cats and others were here already when explorers arrived to settle this
 continent.
   There was a good reason why the cats came along. If they hadn't, the
 rats and mice that infested the ships would have eaten the food supplies
 before the ships could complete the journey. All that would have been left
 would have been skeletons of starved to death settlers.



 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!





 
  From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 10:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others
 
 
 Take heart:
 http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/02/03/170851048/do-we-really-know-that-cats-kill-by-the-billions-not-so-fast
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS/reply

[kat]

Dot,

 Your husband sounds like a real kitty lover too!! The shelters he has put 
together sound great and I hope the kitties weather the storm safely.

 I have been told that there is a high pressure system out in the Atlantic 
(near Iceland?) that is preventing Sandy from going out to sea. So I have been 
sending dissipate prayers to that system so that Sandy can change direction 
before making landfall this evening!! I'm located in the northwest corner of 
NJ, so I shouldn't get hit, but losing power is always a concern.

 Your kitties are in my prayers!!

 Kat (Mew Jersey)
- Original Message -
From: dot winkler
Sent: 10/28/12 09:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS/reply

 I am in Freehold, NJ. Inland So, you are in New York? Or is that near Long 
Island? Do you have any outdoor colonies? My hub over the last year has built 
small dog house type shelters (he is a carpenter) with tarping on the rooves. 
They are surrounded by tee pee pallets piled on each other. Then covered in 
tarping or plastic stapled on with his staple gun. There are piles of furniture 
dumped in the area and some of the houses are within those, protected. There 
are 2 dry feed stations we just filled tonight. I just still am very worried. 
Hoping they will be okay. What experiences have you had with storms and the 
cats?  From: Christiane Biagi 
ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 
28, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS Am in Westchester 
(New Rochelle). Where are you? From:Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: 
Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: 
[Felvtalk] STORM - QUESTIONS I went to the outdoor cat colony and dumped large 
amounts of dry food in the 2 protected stations. I am very worried about the 
cats with the hurricane. We constructed small dog-house like houses for them 
with tee pees around them from wood pallets and some plastic. What's the 
general consensu? How have any of your outdoor cat colonies done in the 
hurricane situations? In Hurricane Irene, the group did okay but this one they 
are saying is worse. Do any of you live around this area of the hurricane 
approaching?  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Kat Parker]

 I have been vegetarian a few years, but I often buy and cook chichen for
 the cats.  I boil it, then shred it, and almost always have a bowl of it in
 my fridge and/or freezer for them.  My friends think I am whacko because of
 that. I don't ever eat it, but I know cats have different needs, and they
 need meat. I , naturally have the option, being omnivorous, but they don't
 have the same choice in their diet, as you all well know.   About once a
 month, I am a chicken cooking fool, on a fairly large scale.  (I always
 apologize to the birds.  haha)
 I've also heard that cats cannot taste sweet, Kathryn... I am baffled by
 this.  I know that they love the taste of Karo syrup, and even concentrated
 SUGAR WATER is often used on the gums of kits to stimulate a little
 appetite, especially the wee ones who need to take a bottle.  Also, though
 I have never tasted it, I heard anti-freeze is sweet, and that is why so
 many cats are poisoned by it.  This sounds like such a contradiction to me,
 and I wonder, if it's not the sweet they taste  in the syrup, what is
 it?  And in sugar water, there is only sugar...and water.  What else could
 it be?


   Kat


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 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc:
 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:55:28 -0800
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 I've been vegan for almost 20 years (vegetarian for some some before
 that), so it's always funny when people see me buying so much meat for the
 cats.


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc:
 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:38:11 -0800
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 Some of my cats adore veggies.   Cats can't taste sweet, did you know?  No
 receptors for it.

 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed
 with lettuce.

 Beth

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 *From:* Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 6:46 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

 There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for
 myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!
 Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and
 chicken.  So they eat my corn and tofu.  Weird world.


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


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 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

  Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest
 veggies very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD),
 but unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy
 can give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old
 who died).

 Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.

 I've already said what I think about dry food.


 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD
 canned food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they
 ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now
 feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.
  We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be
 part of the problem.  I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too
 much luck.  Right now, Homey is okay.  I got water fountains and everyone
 loves them.  It recirculates the water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are
 okay, but need to be cleaned out more often.  I got one on line that is
 stainless steel.  Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors
 without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often.  With the
 fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more
 water.  You might try them.


  Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Hello All,

 My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has
 had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy
 despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently
 (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and
 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
 present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
 Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
 couple of cans of wet.

 My picky

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9

[Kat Parker]

For the ones who have never seen or heard of this happening, it happens
more than some might think!

 I have a cat, now, Awesome Pawsome, who was one of a litter
I socialized from a feral mom.There were 4 kittens--two siamese, a
gray, and a tortie, in this litter.  Mom was TNR'd from a feral colony,
here in San Diego.  When tested at about 9 weeks old, all except the gray
were positive.  60 days later, only the tortie was positive.So 1/4 of
my litter was born negative from a positive Mom. WE did not test the mom,
because the neuter scooter was out of those test tubes that day.
 However,it was discovered, post-mortem, that she was positive.  You see,
she died, at the colony, several months later.  Back to the kittens,
3/4--the negatives--were adopted out to good homes, with the understanding
that 2 had previously tested positive, but flipped to negatives.  All of
those kittens are still negative and alive.  One of the four, the tortie,
who was the most difficult to tame, persistently tested positive, and the
rescue I was then with, was considering putting her up for adoption, for
free--on Craigslist!  I could not let that happen to her, so I adopted her
myself, and this was about 25 months ago. She now is probably the
healthiest ,Kitty I have here, of all my fosters and personal cats, except
for the fact she is FeLV+ status.  I did almost lose her once,
to killer calici, and she had such swollen joints and was lame on all
fours, alternating 3 legs at a time, for over three months, besides the
sores, and all of the other oddities that accompany calici.   All my cats
got it, even though Pawsome lives in my room, ISO, did not come into
contact with any others...  and I almost lost her.  Other than that, she
has only had sniffles and a sneeze, which I immediately start antibiotics
at the tiniest indication of.

I do realize that she is on her third year of life, and usually
kitties don't make it this far, and dread every day she might be sick from
something minute.  I watch her like a hawk, for fear of losing her. But she
has beat the odds so far, and I hope she continues to be healthy and happy
and playful, like she is now, for a long time to come.

Kat




 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [
 mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Lee Evans
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

 ** **

 Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely
 that an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it
 off and turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy.  Percy is FIV+
 though.  He's a young street fighter rescued in terrible condition.  I'm
 really happy he fought off the FeLv.  I have an FIV+ area for my little
 colony of positives so no problem.  Percy is going to join them this week.
 He's all shiny and fat now.

 ** **

 The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to
 adulthood.  The ones who do will live for about 2 years.  Taco and Smooch
 were rescued as adults already.  They were FeLv+.  They lived with me for
 about 2 years.  They were buddies, from different street situations but
 they bonded nicely the last year of their lives.

  

 *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!*

 ** **
 --

 *From:* GRAS g...@optonline.net
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

 ** **

 In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single
 kitten EVER was FIV+!  And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign
 of it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6
 months. They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop.
 

 I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative.***
 *

  

  




 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc:
 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:44:39 -0700 (PDT)
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FIV  FeLV kittens
 I've always seen FIV kittens turn negative after being taken away from mom
 for a period. I've never seen a kitten positive on an FeLV test turn
 negative later. I have seen litters where 1 might consistently test
 negative on an Elisa  the others are positive, but the negative has always
 eventually turned positive, even after being removed from mom.
 I know there are others with different experiences, but this has always
 been my experience..

 Beth

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/



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[Felvtalk] Section 1983

[Kat Parker]

Hiya Kathryn and everyone.   The federal statute you were referring to,
Kathryn, is Section 1983, and my step-brother, Sheldon Eisenberg, is the
one who wrote the Section 1983 to the rescue, on Nathan's site you found,
and Sheldon used it in court representing Cathy Nguyen and Nathan against
Los Angeles County Dept of Animal Care and Control, which he won a
stipulated order from the judge in that lawsuit. (Not that it does any good
at all, now, but ...  whatever.   lol)

I did not intend to correct any person in particular, just wanted to
mention the name of the law, which is really easy to forget, actually, but
really wonderful to be able to use for all being a FEDERAL STATUTE, and
there are a lot of rescuers in here.

~Kat~


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc:
 Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:21:00 -0800
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters
 What do you mean by ``rules''?   Laws?   If they are not in compliance
 with laws, then turn them in.   (Of course, if you're a rescuer pulling
 from these pounds, then you have to protect yourself using the federal law
 Section 1982: http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=728

 As for the citizens, put ads in the papers, and maybe even send out
 informative flyers (ask for the money to do so via a Chipin).

 You can also try to get social media attention via the various animal
 blogs that push shelter reform, e.g., YesBiscuit!.

 Who holds the contract with the pound?

 Don't give up.   It may take years, and we're seeing progress even in TX.

 Probably the moderator would like us to take this offline by now. . .

 On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 The problem here is that I'm in Texas.  Killing is the State Sport.
 Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new
 rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats.
 They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats
 who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting
 these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that
 they are NOT included in the cat limit rule.  They recently reduced the
 number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10.  This makes no sense except when
 you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit.  Then
 it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now
 over the limit and have to purchase the permit.  Nasty little tricks.
 People who have received a citation in the past for having over the
 permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit.
 More nonsense.  It would help if all the ACO's were required to read the
 new codes and then be tested on whether or not they understand them.  The
 citizens of this city don't know the rules either.  Cat haters are
 terrorizing cat caring neighbors, threatening them with reporting them when
 there's nothing to report because the cat caregivers are actually in
 compliance.  I think that ignorance is our worst enemy. Even when we get
 good ordinances, they don't work because no one knows about them.


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Re: [Felvtalk] rENaVAST (FROM tANYA'AS crf SITE)

[Kat Parker]

*RenAvast  (FROM tANYA'S SITE)
*
--

RenAvast http://renavast.com was launched in the USA in summer 2011 and
contains something called Avastamine (AB070597). Avastamine is said to
consist of naturally occurring biomolecules, which apparently means it is
a proprietary mix of seven specific amino acids or peptides, though they do
not state which ones.



Amino acids are the components of protein. Peptides are the molecules
formed when two or more amino acids are joined together. There are 23 amino
acids which cats need, and they can manufacture twelve of these themselves,
but the other eleven must be obtained from food.
Taurinehttp://www.felinecrf.org/nutritional_requirements.htm#taurineis
one example of an amino acid which cats must obtain from food.
Virginia-Maryland
Regional College of Veterinary
Medicinehttp://www.vetmed.vt.edu/vth/sa/clin/cp_handouts/Nutrition_Adult_Cat.pdf
explains
more about cats and amino acids.



RenAvast is marketed as a dietary supplement. Dietary supplements do not
need US Food and Drug Administration approval but the manufacturers make
the bold claims that RenAvast can halt the progression of chronic renal
failure in cats and that unlike other products and drugs, RenAvast does
not treat the symptoms of renal failure, it treats the cause. The
FDAhttp://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/ConsumerInformation/ucm110417.htm#regulate
states
that a product sold as a dietary supplement and promoted on its label or
in labeling as a treatment, prevention or cure for a specific disease or
condition would be considered an unapproved - and thus illegal - drug.



RenAvast is being widely promoted online. The marketing literature for
RenAvast focuses heavily on a study published online by the manufacturers
(rather than in a veterinary journal), AB070597 and its effect on declining
renal function in
felineshttp://adminpilot.s3.amazonaws.com/renavast/files/2011/07/renavast-pdf.pdf(2007)
Archer J, published online. This reports on 19 cats who were given
RenAvast over a two year period. Cats joined and left the study during this
period so it is not known over how long a period the results for individual
cats were measured. No cats in the trial were on sub-Q fluids or a
prescription diet, but it is not known if they were receiving other
treatments such as phosphorus binders or Azodyl. Many of the cats were in
early stage CKD (Stage 2 of IRIS), and it is not uncommon for cats in this
stage to survive for years.



An unrelated study, Plasma amino acid profiles in cats with naturally
acquired chronic renal failure
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9918157 (1999)
Goldstein RE, Marks SL, Cowgill LD, Kass PH  Rogers QR *American Journal
of Veterinary Research* *60(1)* pp109-13, found that CKD cats in all stages
of the disease had lower levels of amino acids than healthy cats. However,
they concluded the magnitude of these changes is mild and of little
clinical relevance. This is an older study, and it might eventually be
shown that supplementary amino acids are in fact helpful to CKD cats, but
currently there is no evidence that RenAvast is the miracle cure it claims
to be.



What do I think of RenAvast? My hunch is that RenAvast contains widely
available and inexpensive unpatented amino acids packaged together and
subjected to some clever marketing. If it only contains amino acids and
peptides, it is probably not going to do any harm, but without knowing
exactly what it contains, I cannot say for sure. It might be a good
product, it might not, but it is unlikely to be as effective as its
manufacturers claim, and it is certainly not cheap at over US$30 a month.



Based on the information currently available, I would save my money  and
put it towards more proven treatments than RenAvast.
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[Felvtalk] let's get honest, Chuckie

[Kat Parker]

*I love this group.  I love the people in it.  I love the passion the
members of this group have for the kitties who are unfortunate enough to
meet up with this deadly retrovirus, and the dedication to improving
infected cats' lives.  Anyone who comes in here with less than the best of
intentions for FeLV positive kitties understandably will not be coddled and
cosseted.  And even the person receiving the scolding will understand
that it is coming from a place deep in the heart, borne of love and
compassion, if they are honestly looking at what is being said to them.  I
don't believe anyone could possibly be naive enough to NOT SEE where this
criticism of them stems from, even if they refuse to state this fact out
loud.  lol

And, knowing this, the smart thing to do would be to stick around and get a
clue, because I am sure that with the desire to do right by their cat,
anyone would be welcome and accepted here.  In fact, this is what everyone
is actually hoping for, I'll bet any money. **  **These people in here are
EXPERTS at FeLV+ cats, info, treatment, everything.  This is a place you
want to be if you have an FeLV+ cat you care about.  Miracles of
understanding and knowledge happen here.  **You say you treat them good and
care about them/her.  ** Awesome.  **Just say you want to help the
kitties...  we can help you help them.

Step up, Sir.  Do the right thing, please.

*
*(**And I agree...  Ben does rock!  I am in awe.  [?]*)
*
Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=

**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**
Spay  neuter your neighbors...  maybe THAT will fix the problem.*
*Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE  HAPPY
cat!*

*http://www.facebook.com/kat.theCRITTERprotector
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[Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment

[Kat Parker]

*This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have
an FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of
mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis.   Don't know if this will
help anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have
problems with stomatitis:

*Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to
Bartonella.  In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a
sentence saying that they have now found a connection between
Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats.  A lot of cats carry Bartonella
(also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)!
So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her
teeth.  The treatment is just a round of Azithromycin.  Since
discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis
test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro.
I found a few links and pasted below.
Julia

http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html



An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a
specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of
cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for
this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on
Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin
that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms
of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are
strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than 70%
responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a
causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats
do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but
the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated
have improved substantially.

*

Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=
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[Felvtalk] i hate this disease!

[Kat Parker]

*I never set out wanting to fall in love with an FeLV+ cat.  I have been a
cat rescuer for about 7 years, now.I've worked indie and with several
501c3's in San Diego.  i especially like bottle babies and socializing
feral kits, and did this a lot for one group here, until I got a litter of
four wild ones, 5 weeks old, where 3/4 tested pos for FeLV.  On 2nd snap
2/3 of those had cleared it and only my Awesome Opossum remained pos.
The no-kill group I was fostering for wanted to waive the adoption fee
and put her on Craigslist.  I adopted her, myself, to save her, and now
could not imagine life without her.  She's 20 months old now, asymptomatic
and seemingly healthy as can be.  I know when it happens, though, it
often happens fast.

I was brought two kits by a rescue I volunteered for,  in March, a one day
old, Angelina Jolie,  and a one week old, Mimi.  I made a tough decision to
try adding them both to a lactating mama who had herself lost 2/3 of her
babies.  She welcomed both...  what an odd family-with her own 3 week old
kit, Kiwi.  Mimi died of FeLV at 8 weeks old.Mama and Kiwi, her kit,
both tested neg.,  Angelina Jolie was too young at the time to test. She
looked and acted so healthy and vibrant until her final few days. I lost
her a week ago tonight to FeLV.  I held my perfect miracle in my arms and
tried to comfort her and let her know it was okay to let go...of her life.
  ( I am bawling my eyes out right now, again.)  Tested my other 2 kits
around same age (unrelated)--one pos, one neg.  OMG.  I am again worried
for Mama, Kiwi, and my other 3 (adults) here.  This perfect world, such
perfect angels, devastated.   All 3 teenagers not incl. Kiwi, had adoptions
waiting, ironically.   I count my blessings my awesome Opossum is not
sick.

I hate this disease!
**
~Kat~



**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**   *
*Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE  HAPPY
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old

[Kat Parker]

*Friends of Cats, in Lakeside, has an opening for FeLV, I understand.  They
charge $500.*






Please note: forwarded message attachedFrom: Cyndi Zacko 
cdza...@gmail.comTo: undisclosed-recipients:;Subject: Fwd: Felv+ 15 year
old will be euthanized Thursday.Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:36:18 -0800Please
network - I would have her�RETESTED FOR SURE
-- Forwarded message --From: *Caring Friends Cat Rescue* 
caringfriendscatres...@yahoo.comDate: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:34 PMSubject:
Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.To: joyce@gmail.com 
joyce@gmail.com, Cyndi Zacko cdza...@gmail.com, faith rajac 
faithra...@hotmail.com, Lorraine Rudolph jsljr...@aol.com
I recieved this e-mail from one of my volunteers today. One of her students
found this kitty and her mom took it to the Irvine Shelter. She tested
positive for felv. They believe she's around 15 years old. If no one steps
up to take her they are going to euthanized her on Thursday. Does anyone
have a safe comfy place for this kitty?
Please contact the Irvine shelter if you can help her.
Julie
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ accepting--true no-kill rescue list

[Kat Parker]

True No Kill Cat Sanctuaries and Shelters
*Disabled Cats* -::- *Special Needs Cats* -::- *FELV Positive Cats* -::- *FIV
Positive Cats* -::- *Shelters  Sanctuaries*


Alaska Humane Society Adopt-a-Cat; Alaska http://www.adopt-a-cat.org/
The Ark, Inc; Alabama http://www.arkinc.org/
KatsPaw Hospice; Alabama http://www.gulftel.com/katspaw/
The Hermitage Cat Shelter; Arizona http://www.hermitagecats.org/
Arizona Feline Network; Arizona http://www.azfelines.org/
Cows Cats and Dog Logs; Arizona http://www.cowcats.com/
Cat Care Society; Colorado http://www.catcaresociety.org/
Purrs And Whiskers Shelter, Inc. (PAWS); Florida http://www.pawsfla.com/
The Harmony House For Cats; Illinois http://www.hhforcats.org/
Felines Inc.; Illinois http://www.felinesinc.org/
Animal Lifeline of Iowa; Iowa http://www.animal-lifeline.com/
Kitties From Heaven; Iowa http://www.kittiesfromheaven.com/
CW Rustic Hollow Shelter; Iowa http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/
Holly's Place Animal Rescue; Kentucky http://www.hollys.org/
Almost Home; Michigan http://www.almosthomerescuegroup.com/
Crash's Landing; Michigan http://www.crashslanding.org/
Home For Life; Minnesota http://www.homeforlife.org/
Rolling Dog Ranch - Cats;
Montanahttp://www.rollingdogranch.org/cats/index.html
Kitty Angels; Mass.  New Hampshire http://www.kittyangels.org/
Felines Enjoying Lives of Value; New
Jerseyhttp://members.petfinder.org/%7ENJ197
Tabby's Place; New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/
Pets Alive; New York http://www.petsalive.com/
Animal Haven; New York http://www.animalhavenshelter.org/
Spring Farm Cares; New Yorkhttp://www.springfarmcares.org/animalsanctuary.htm
Safe Haven for Cats; N. Carolina http://www.safehavenforcats.org/
The Marley Fund; N. Carolina http://www.marleyfund.com/
Blind Cat Rescue  Sanctuary; N. Carolina http://blindcatrescue.com/
Caroline's Kids Pet Rescue; Ohio http://carolines-kids.org/
Best Little Cat House in PA;
Pennsylvaniahttp://www.thebestlittlecathouseinpa.com/
1 by 1 Cat Rescue; Pennsylvania http://1by1catrescue.org/
Animal Rescue Inc; Pennsylvania http://www.animalrescueinc.org/
House of Mews; Tennessee http://www.houseofmews.com/
The Stray Connection; Tennesseehttp://www.petfinder.org/shelters/TN265.html
Purrever Ranch; Tennessee http://www.gotcats.org/
Operation Kindness; Texas http://www.operationkindness.org/
Best Friends Animal Sanctuary; Utah http://bestfriends.org/atthesanctuary/
S.O.S. Save Our Strays, Vermont http://saveourstrays.petfinder.com/
Friends Of Homeless Animals; Virginia 
D.C.http://www.foha.org/main_sublinks.asp?id=16sid=16
Rikki's Refuge; Virginia http://www.rikkisrefuge.org/
Perfect Pals FIV Sanctuary;
Washingtonhttp://www.purrfectpals.org/Sanctuary/FIVLand.asp
CFA Purebred Rescue - Not entirely no kill, but a valuable resource if
dealing with purebred cats http://cfapurebredrescue.org/

Here at Little Cheetah, we believe that any cat that is living a good
quality of life, or has an excellent prognosis of recovering to live a good
quality of life once rehabilitated DESERVES a chance! We support The
Asilomar Accords http://www.asilomaraccords.org/ +1. What does the +1
mean? It's simple, it means that while we support the typical ideals of the
general No Kill community, it also means we take it one step farther, to
include all asymptomatic FELV+ and FIV+ cats, as well as any other cat in
danger of being discriminated against due to medical limitation or
disability!
We take exception to Asilomar Accord Part III, Unhealthy and Untreatable,
Paragraph 2: *(2) are suffering from a disease, injury, or congenital or
hereditary condition that adversely affects the animal's health or is
likely to adversely affect the animal's health in the future, and are not
likely to become healthy or treatable even if provided the care
typically provided to pets by reasonable and caring pet owners/guardians in
the community;*
We feel that it is unfair to condemn an animal to death for something that
COULD happen many years in the future. We feel that QUALITY or life is much
more important than quantity of life - even short lives deserve to be
lived! We also believe that the typically provided care that the average
pet receives should not be the end all cut off point to which we should
give up on an animal. Special pets happen, and there ARE special people
out there willing to provide exceptional care for EXCEPTIONS to this rule!
We believe that there are conditions that are not treatable and that do
cause disability, that do not cause suffering, like Cerebellar Hypoplasia,
Blindness, and Terminal Heart conditions. We do not feel these cats are
candidates for Euthanasia!
Then, there's the simple fact... To us, you can't be No Kill if you're
still routinely euthanising healthy, asymptomatic cats because of a test
result!

Do you know of another NO KILL shelter or sanctuary that does not kill
FELV+ or FIV+ cats? If so, let us know!

Little Cheetah Cat Rescue
Contact: senti...@ucat.us

   -I cannot seem to locate this page's 

[Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

[Kat Parker]

*Very scary.. see below..*

--Original Message--
From: Ellen Fawl
To: rescuealliancew...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Scary FELV test results!
Sent: Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM

I need to share this so it can get to the FELV Lists and whomever is
following this testing debacle. We took in 5 Persians last week. We had
them combo tested with the standard Snap test. All five tested
positive.  We had blood work done on one cat and it came back negative.
We assumed the tests were done wrong so they redid them two days ago.
All four remaining cats tested positive AGAIN.
We had blood work taken on all four, sent it in, and all four came back
negative.

This is really scary stuff. Cats are killed all the time because they
test positive. Had we heard about these cats being in a shelter 
testing positive it's not likely we could have taken them in. The vet
office in Santa Cruz is going to follow up with the company, but if
there is anyone else out there tracking this stuff, I want to get the
information to them.
Ellen


*

Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=



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Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur

[Kat Parker]

*There are varying degrees of heart murmurs in cats.  They are measures in
fractions of 6.  For instance, a 2 out of 6, or 2/6,  is not as serious a a
4/6.  We had a cat who was diagnosed with a murmur, and we did not have the
money to get further testing done on him at that time because he was fresh
off the street, A stray that just followed me inside one day after I had
fed him.  lol  He looked awful, mainly because he had been living as a
stray with a bad flea allergy.  What a fantastic cat he proved to be!
Well, all was ell for about 6 months, then he started fainting (syncope),
and we were told to get the echo done.  We did, at a specialist here in San
Diego, with the help of some awesome MySpace friends and a chip in, and it
was learned then that he had cardiomyopathy with pulmonary edema and aortic
stenosis.  His lungs were so full of liquid and his heart had the all too
common cardiomyopathy cats get.  I was told by the specialty hospital vet
that it often happens that these disorders, heart murmur and
cardiomyopathy, go hand in hand (but not in every case).  Zoh's heart
murmur was a 4/6, which is significant.  They put Zoh on 3 meds which he
took for the rest of his life, every day.  Furosemide (lasix) for the fluid
in the lungs, Atenolol, a blood pressure med, and one more bp mes, I cannot
remember the name of,  but he got better.  I was told cats with
cardiomyopathy rarely live long, and Zoh lived 2 more years till he
succumbed to a heart attack and died in my arms, in my room.
I am hoping this info of my experience with heart murmurs might give you
something to talk about to your vet.  I would def ask what the meds are,
what class, and why he is prescribing them, as well as get a definite
diagnosis/prognosis in his professional opinion.  It sounds like he did not
give you enough info.  And, I would say the echocardiogram is very
important to get, even if it is a bit pricey and you might have to go a
little distance to find a place to get it done.  most vets do not have one
in their office, although if your cat is breathing hard, ask for a chest
xray, for starters.  (Not as expensive, either.  lol)Good luck.
**

Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=



**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**
*
*Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE  HAPPY
cat!*




-- Forwarded message --
 From: czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com
 To: feline leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:56:47 +
 Subject: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool
  There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings 
 leavings.

 I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me  - - to us.

 Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010.  Nothing was said
 re:  need for med.  Different vet listened to in spring 2011.  Nothing was
 said re:  murmur.  Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants
 work-up.  In what circumstances would you put on meds?

 Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October.  had
 treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later.  now has intermittent fresh
 blood in stool.  stools are small  dark.  no problems before.  vet found
 no coccidia or worms in stool sample.  again vet wants to put on meds.
 feed canned food.  he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because
 SPCA accepted him for their waiting list.  fe leukemia cats are in main
 part of small apartment.   comments?  he is negative; has been vaccinated.
 a fighter  biter who is also very sweet.

 finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last
 Thanksgiving.   SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement.
 went to see her yesterday.  very, very congested.  on antibiotics.  she is
 their cat now.  HOW CAN I HELP HER?

 thank you.

 czadna, Mama  Scrumptious  Luscious and Pookashay  Shallie Marie 
 Harold  James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope  Rasha Boo and Lila Bea
 - all on SPCA waiting list)




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[Felvtalk] fire decals -- animals inside

[Kat Parker]

*Fire with me being not at home is one of my worst nightmares.  I sent away
for the free decal from ASPCA about animals inside.  Here is the link:

http://www.aspca.org/about-us/free-aspca-stuff/free-pet-safety-pack.aspx
**

Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=



**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**
**Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE  HAPPY
cat!*


-- Forwarded message --
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:54:01 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire
 I had not thought about what if I were not home.  That is enough to make
 me never leave home again!

  Peggy Verdonck-Riley jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:
  My biggest fear with 9 cats! Luckely we have an enclosed cat playground
  outside. We can just push them out the cat door in the window and lock it
  behind them.
  I just hope something like that never happens when we aren't home!
 
  On Dec 2, 2011 4:34 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
   What a terrible story!
  
   This is a lesson I learned from a friend of mine.  Her house was on
   fire and she grabbed her cat and took him outside but he ran back
   inside and died in the fire.  God forbid any of you ever have to
   rescue your cats from a burning house, but cats will always run back
   inside because this is the place they feel safe.  Always put your
   cats in carriers or in your car outside your home.  With 13 cats this
   would have been terribly difficult for your parents, but if there are
   only one or two cats this can be done.
  
   Lorrie
  
   On 12-02, GRAS wrote:
In 1964, my parents' house in Chicago had a fire on a night of a huge
snowstorm, 3'!  The fire department had a hard time getting there
 because
side street were not plowed, especially not at 3 AM. They had 13
 cats,
   and I
had just moved back with my two cats because I couldn't afford my
apartment closer to school. All the cats died in the fire, although
 my
father was running around, grabbing them and putting them on an
 enclosed
porch, they all ran back as he opened the door.When the house was
rebuilt, a cat was found in the basement ceiling/rafters, completely
 soft
and pliable (not stiff!) - poor cats most probably died from smoke
inhalation because they have such tiny lungs.
   
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sir Rouncewell Please add to the CLS :*(

[kat parker]

**

Oh, I am so sorry to hear this!  You go through this so much.  Please, may
I ask you, what is a Sids kid, besides the obvious of being one of your
FeLV+ kitties?


-- Forwarded message --
 From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com
 To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:57:01 -0700 (PDT)
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Sir Rouncewell Please add to the CLS :*(



 We lost our Sweet roly poly Rouncey today. He was a Sids kid for 2 years
 and had such a great purrsonality. When I met him for the first time and he
 looked at me and brought tears to my eyes(we had just lost Demetri,one of
 my special Sids boys) Rouncey resembled him and stole my heart.Great tiger
 boy with white feetI will miss you my sweet Rouncey Pounces. :(
 Sherry

 *We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary*
 *than our own,*
 *Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.*
 *Unable to accept its awful gaps.*
 *We still would have it no other way*

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali pos kitten

[kat parker]

*Thank you, Natalie, and Jenine, and everyone else who helped her make this
choice.  I hope she makes the kitten a solid part of her family, since in
all other ways it is a perfect fit!
**

Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=



**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**
Spay  neuter your neighbors...  maybe THAT will fix the problem.*
*Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE  HAPPY
cat!*





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   1. Re: Anyone in CA know of someone to take FeLV kitten? (Natalie)


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:21:19 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in CA know of someone to take FeLV kitten?
 Thanks!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jenine
 Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in CA know of someone to take FeLV kitten?

 I just meant the kitten is in safe hands.
  She's having a different vet do another in house, then if necessary the
 IFA.




 On 10/27/2011 9:15 AM, Natalie wrote:
  What do you mean by fine - NOT positive?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jenine
  Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:04 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in CA know of someone to take FeLV kitten?
 
  She's on top of it.  Kitten is fine.
 
 
 
  On 10/27/2011 7:06 AM, Natalie wrote:
  I sent her some info about FeLV testing.
  Has anyone else written to her with advice?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
  dlg...@windstream.net
  Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:41 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in CA know of someone to take FeLV
 kitten?
 
  I think she should retest and give this baby a chance.
 
 
   Heatherfurrygi...@gmail.com   wrote:
  I sure hope she might retest first, so many false positives these
  days it seems...
 
  On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Natalieat...@optonline.net   wrote:
 
 Can anyone help?  Natalie 
 
  ** **
 
  sus...@bannermattress.net writes:
 
  I found a stray kitten at work last week. I took her to my vet this
  Saturday and she tested positive for feline leukemia. I already have
  two kittens, 7 months and 3 months old, so there is no possibility
  for
  Rockie
  to join my household. I have heard that there are people who keep or
  foster cats with leukemia. Do you know of anyone who does this?
 
  She is a friendly, sweet, delightful little tortie who gets along
  wonderfully with my two dogs. She is approximately 7 weeks old and
  weighs in at a whopping 1.11 lbs.
 
  Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
  Susan Macias
 
  (909) 730-9762
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 24

[kat parker]

*No.  I am just hopeful that, after all the money she is spending at her
vet's, after all the positive info on FeLV she is getting and learning, and
after spending this time with the kitten and getting to know her, that she
will decide to  keep her.   After all, she said, She is a friendly, sweet,
delightful little tortie who gets along  wonderfully with my two dogs.  The
decision I was referring to is her taking the kitten to another vet for
additional testing, and being receptive to input from others. Sorry if I
confused.
**

**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**
*


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:02:18 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali pos kitten

 Did I miss some e-mail?  Is she definitely keeping the kitten?

 Natalie

 ** **

 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *kat parker
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:42 AM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Cali pos kitten

 ** **

 *Thank you, Natalie, and Jenine, and everyone else who helped her make
 this choice.  I hope she makes the kitten a solid part of her family, since
 in all other ways it is a perfect fit!
 **
 **
 Love and Katnip,
   ~Kat~** =^,,^=**


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Re: [Felvtalk] California Kat and kitties

[kat parker]

*My name is Kat Parker and I have been lurking on this list for probably
close to a year--not sure exactly.  I have been afraid to post thinking when
I did my baby might get sick. (Makes no sense, I know, but I have that
unreasonable fear)  Feels like I know so many of you already, reading your
posts, your sadness, your strengths, and I feel the love in this group.  I
am in San Diego, and I do rescue, like so many here. That is how I got my
Awesome Opossum.  Anyway, I was reading Natalie's post about the LA Susan,
and actually I just got  done emailing the network here regarding that.
Seems she is not very well researched on the illness.  Maybe some of you can
email her your knowledge, and she might decide to deep the baby at least for
a while in her room?  I will,. later, cause I have a thousand things to do
today.  It's nice to finally introduce myself, though.  You all really
inspire me.   I seriously respect this group.  More later, when I have more
time.   Blessings.
**

Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=



**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**
Spay  neuter your neighbors...  maybe THAT will fix the problem.*
*Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE  HAPPY
cat!*



 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:40:20 -0400
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone in CA know of someone to take FeLV kitten?

 Can anyone help?  Natalie 




  sus...@bannermattress.net writes:

 I found a stray kitten at work last week. I took her to my vet this
 Saturday and she tested positive for feline leukemia. I already have two
 kittens, 7 months and 3 months old, so there is no possibility for Rockie
 to join my household. I have heard that there are people who keep or foster
 cats with leukemia. Do you know of anyone who does this?

 She is a friendly, sweet, delightful little tortie who gets along
 wonderfully with my two dogs. She is approximately 7 weeks old and weighs in
 at a whopping 1.11 lbs.

 Thanks for any help you can provide.

 Susan Macias

 (909) 730-9762

  

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???

[Kat]

Hi Wendy,

They do make a top-opening litter box:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0002ZS20I/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8n=284507s=kitchen

But maybe Pepper is objecting to the texture of the litter on her paws?
Have you tried using different litter - or even an empty litter box?

Also, if nothing else works, you could get some of the doggy pee pads to
put under the box - that way the urine gets absorbed by the pads  makes
clean-up much easier.

Good Luck!

Kat (Mew Jersey)


On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, wendy wrote:

 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
 From: wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: Kitty box with a lip to catch urine???
 
 Hey guys,
 
 I haven't posted much?in the past few months.?Can hardly keep up with
 life offline, much less online.?I hope all of you are doing well, as
 well as your furbabies.
 
 I have an 'engineering' question for you guys. I have a healthy kitty,
 Pepper, who keeps backing up to the litter box opening and peeing, and
 of course it goes outside the box, and then urine pools underneath the
 box (I even use a Christmas tree tray under the box to catch the
 urine, but still it gets quite ripe after a couple of days).?She's
 been doing this for years and I just keep cleaning it up. But as all
 of you probably can identify, I hate the smell and the clean-up, and
 was wondering if any of you have a similar sitation with any of your
 cats and how you deal with it??I've tried different kitty boxes, but
 as long as they have an opening, the pee is going in that
 direction.?There's got to be an easier way to deal with this.?I was
 thinking maybe I could make some kind of lip on the opening edge to
 direct the pee to a receptacleAny ideas out there?
 
 Thanks! :) Wendy ?

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Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list

[Kat]

Hi James,

I'm still here too - even though I don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore.
So I just lurk for the most part these days.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, James G Wilson wrote:

 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:48:30 -0600
 From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] testing the list
 
 Hey all, 
 
 Just testing the list since there's been no activity since 
 Saturday. Here's hoping that everyone is doing well. 
 Best wishes to all.
 
 James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
 http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research  Support)
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge

[Kat]

Dear Terrie,

I am so sorry to read of your mom's passing.  She sounds like a very
special person, and I'm sure she will be missed by many.

You are in my thoughts  prayers.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 tatorb...@aol.com wrote:

 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:50:08 EST
 From: tatorb...@aol.com
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge
 
 
  
 Hello  everyone,
 I'm letting everyone know this is part of my grieving and makes me feel  
 little better. 
 To let you know the situation if I don't respond right away to prior  emails.
 Another email was sent to all the rescues groups of the same wording.
  
 Many of you have ask about my mother and sent many prayers by emails, phone  
 calls, also in person to my mother and myself.
 With  great sadness in my heart today my mother passed away this morning. 
 As she wished she wants to be cremated and be buried with my father.
 I spent many hours with her the last few days only home long enough to feed  
 and do litter boxes.
  
 She was an  avid animal lover especially when it came to cats and kittens.
 She was a  reputable breeder from the 60's to early 80's.
 Her breed was  Siamese and Persian cats.
 In the last  20 years she chose to take homeless and rescue kitties into her  
 home.
 They were  given very much needed love and care.
 When she  would come to visit me as she was in a convalescent home during the 
 last year  she would get her kitty fixes by coming to my home.
 She would  call all of the rescue cats and kittens to her along with my 
 personal kitties.  So she could be around them all and give them plenty of 
 love. 
 She took such  pleasure in this. She would spoil them greatly.
 Even feeding them such as turkey, chicken, and beef when she could get away  
 with it.
  
 Her services  will be at a later date.
 I will let  you all know.
 My brother is  putting article in the local newspaper about her within the 
 next day or  two.
  
 Thanks again  for all your support in the past and present regarding my  
 mother!
 
  
 Please  vote!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service (do we still have one?)

[Kat]

Dear Gloria, 

I'm so sorry your B.B. had to leave you.

Sleep Soft, dear B.B. ...

You are both in my thoughts  prayers.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:16:05 -0600
 From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service
 (do we still have one?)
 
 One of my FELV kitties, B.B., died in the early morning of Dec 2,  
 2008, and I'd love to have him added to the Bridge list.  He was a  
 double positive (FELV+, FIV+), had been found at a local dump in the  
 Little Rock vicinity, and taken in to our rescue.  I've fostered him  
 since October 2006, and he's been such a sweet, loving cat.  But he  
 developed a tail infection a while back, and we've been dealing with  
 that ever since.  He alway ate like a horse, till the last couple of  
 days.
 
 He never could gain weight or pull out of the illness, he may have had  
 other things going on, I'm not sure.
 
 B.B., who I think stands for Beautiful Boy, crossed over to the Bridge  
 early yesterday morning, Tuesday December 2, 2008. He was a sweet boy.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone....

[Kat]

Dear Christine,

I am so sorry to hear that it was Romeo's time to leave you.
Thank you for sharing Romeo's story with us - it is so inspiring.

Sleep soft, dear Romeo...

You are in my thoughts  prayers.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Chris wrote:

 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:37:28 -0500
 From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone
 
 It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo today to
 lymphoma.  I write not out of grief but to encourage all the newbies who
 wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they know
 enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc.  And the
 resounding answer is YES YES YES.  My Romeo was a throw away stray that I
 first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little colony
 near me.  He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come running
 across the field when I?d whistle and meow the whole way so I wouldn?t miss
 him.  He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury
 everybody?s food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving.  I knew
 someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he?d scamper away,
 just out of reach, cowering.  
 
  
 
 Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters we?ve had in
 a long time.  One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and a major
 snowstorm.  Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to bring him
 in.  I even had an adoptive home ready?but he turned out to be positive and
 they couldn?t handle it.  Soo, he stayed in my room for a few weeks,
 watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner weren?t
 that bad.  Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he
 thought I was asleep.  Little baby steps?first the food dish got moved next
 to his crate.  Then the litter box in the bathroom.  And slowly, he?d come
 out during the day.  I knew we won the battle when I peeked out over my
 monitor to spot him on my bed.  You could see it in his face?this is
 niiice and from that point on, he was totally
 comfortable being in and around we humans.  Funny thing is that he never
 really wanted to get out?he rarely sat at the window?the couch and the bed
 were always much more comfortable for him!
 
  
 
 Over these last 4 ? years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat you?d ever
 want to meet.  Only thing I could never do was pick him up or restrain him
 in any way---he was just too scared.  But he?d jump up on me, lie on my
 chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a puppy dog and
 otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe and warm
 and loved.  My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never did take
 much of a liking to him?all jealousy, I?m sure.  But Romeo persevered and
 the two of them had come to terms with each other...
 
  
 
 His final illness took him quickly.  He?d never been real sick before?had
 some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it.  Going to
 the vet was a major trauma for him so I?d always worked with my wonderful
 vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum.  But today was one of those days
 that I knew he had to get to the vet asap.  He?d been feeling poorly during
 the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard?like he
 couldn?t catch his breath.  He?d been on antibiotics for what I thought was
 another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a whole lot
 more.  My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital and they
 confirmed the lymphoma.  He had a large mass in his chest, his lungs had
 filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically, he could
 never withstand an aggressive course of treatment that in all likelihood
 would only give him a short extension of his life.  So, I made that decision
 we all dread after I looked in his eyes and knew he was telling me it was
 time.  I stroked him to the end and told him I loved him.
 
  
 
 And do I regret taking him in?ABSOLUTELY NOT.  He gave me so many wonderful
 memories and he will always be in my heart.  And did he regret coming
 inside?ABSOLUTELY NOT?he had almost 5 years of a wonderful life and I know
 that had he stayed out, he would have died a miserable death from the cold
 and hunger or an infection and he would have been alone.  We can?t save them
 forever?but we can give them some wonderful time and we can all learn so
 very much about life from these little guys.  
 
  
 
 Christiane Biagi
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
  
 
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Re: Taking My Deceased Wife's Name Off the Felvtal List:

[Kat]

Dear David,

Please accept my condolences on your recent loss of Sharon.  She was one
of our long-time members. (I still have a couple of her emails, dating
back to 2001).  You and your kitties are in my thoughts  prayers.

Sleep soft, dear Sharon...

Kat (Mew Jersey) 

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Sharon Siders wrote:

 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:59:59 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Sharon Siders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felv felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Taking My Deceased Wife's Name Off the Felvtal List:
 
 nbsp;
 Please remove my wife's name from the felvtalk e-mailing addresses.
 nbsp;
 My wife passed away about three weeks ago.nbsp; She really appreciated being 
 on your e-mail list, but to be quite honest with you I just get upset when I 
 receive felvtalknbsp;e-mails.nbsp; I still have my two little furry feline 
 buddies that are experiencing with me the process of grieving.nbsp; I need 
 to spend time with them and they need to spend time with me.nbsp; I hope you 
 understand and sometime in the future I might rejoin the group.
 nbsp;
 Thanks in Advance,
 nbsp;
 David L. Siders
 Husband of the late Sharon Siders
 nbsp;
 
 
   


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Re: Today is test day

[Kat]

Hi Sue,

Good Luck today - I'm keeping you  Buzz in my prayers for a positive
outcome/negative test results!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Sue Koren wrote:

 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 8:25:16 -0400
 From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Today is test day
 
 Hello everybody,
 Today after work I will take Buzz to have his first re-test since he was 
 diagnosed positive for FeLV.  I am trying not to hope too much, but there is 
 a bottle of champagne in the fridge if he turns out negative.  Tuna for Buzz 
 - I don't think he likes champagne.
 Meanwhile he has been released from his room and is socializing with the 
 other cats.  I did some of the things the people in this group recommended 
 and that probably helped. All went well until a couple of days ago when some 
 electricians came to our house.  He really freaked!  He hid for 8 hours after 
 they were gone.  His fear probably had something to do with the abuse he 
 received as a kitten.
 Anyway, if anyone would care to say a prayer for my little kitty it sure 
 would be appreciated.
 Sue
 
 

Re: OT - I miss the OT list

[Kat]

Hi Kelley,

Yes, Phaewryn nuked it when you were going thru the seizure of
your rescue kitties ordeal.  

Kat (Mew Jersey) 

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Kelley Saveika wrote:

 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:19:17 -0500
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: OT - I miss the OT list
 
 The information I have is that the OT list was nuked 6-7 months ago.
 As I haven't actually tried accessing it I don't know if it is true.
 I haven't gotten any posts from there tho.
 
 On 4/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  hmm...did I miss something?
 
  TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
  SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
  http://tazzys.org/
 
  http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/
 
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Re: Buzz emancipated

[Kat]

Hi Sue,

(I mostly lurk these days, but have been around for a long time..)

To help your other cats, you will want to keep their immune systems as
strong as possible.  So almost everything you do for Buzz will help the
others too.  The high quality food, the kitty vitamins, using lactoferrin
or colostrum or DMG, reducing the amount of stress, etc, will help all of
your kitties.  

If you are worried about introductory hissy fits, you can start now by
rubbing your kitties with a towel (to get their scent on it) and putting
it in Buzz's room, and rubbing Buzz with another towel to get the others
used to his scent.  Also, you can put a dab of vanilla flavoring on the
back of each kitty's neck  at the base of their tails to help them all
smell alike when you finally let Buzz out.  I have also heard people
recommend Feliway (either the plug-ins or the spray, or both) to help
reduce stress/anxiety during introductions - start using this a few days
before letting them mix.  Rescue Remedy can also help.  You can put it in
their water or rub some onto their ears/paws, and you can even take some
to help you relax too!

HTH,
Kat (mew Jersey)

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Sue Koren wrote:

 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 8:39:13 -0400
 From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Buzz emancipated
 
 Hello, everyone, This coming Friday the last of my 5 FeLV- cats will
 get his booster.  Then I will wait the appropriate amount of time and
 release Buzz from his prison room into the general population.  I am
 scared to death.  I would rather continue to keep them seperate but
 Buzz is crazy to escape his room every time we open the door and the
 time I spend behind the closed door with him is taking away from my
 family, not to mention the other cats.  My question is this;  is there
 anything anyone knows of besides the vaccinations that I can do for my
 other cats that may help to protect them?  They are all being fed the
 Wellness canned food.  Buzz will soon be getting a vitamin suppliment
 that is supposed to boost the immune systems of FeLV+ cats that my vet
 found, but I doubt if it does anything to stop the virus from
 shedding.  Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks, Sue
 
 

Re: References - Chateau De Meow rescue in San Diego?

[Kat]

Hi Susan,

The place is called Chateau Du Meow (note the Du - not De)
and it's been closing since at least the end of 2003 or 2004 
according to the news accounts I've seen.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20031209-_1m9cats.html
http://www.delmartimes.net/archives/articles011604.html

The website (http://www.chateaudumeow.com) is now only a site that
displays some of Johanna Kane's artwork (she was the owner of the
sanctuary).

I have a sister in San Diego - I'll see if she knows anything more.

Kat (Mew Jersey) 

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, Susan Hoffman wrote:

 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:08:25 -0800 (PST)
 From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: References - Chateau De Meow  rescue in San Diego?
 
  
   Does anyone know anything about a San Diego area rescue called Chateau De 
 Meow?  Someone I know sent some FIV and FeLV cats there recently but I can't 
 find any info on the place and I'm a little concerned.  Supposedly they are a 
 no kill rescue/sanctuary and they have an active adoption program.
 

Re: Need some help

[Kat]

Kelley, 

How Awful!!  My prayers are with your kitties.  Where can I send what I
can??

Susan,  after you call Kelley please post the details for the rest of us!!
Thanks.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Kelley Saveika wrote:

 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:33:32 -0600
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Need some help
 
 Susan, you need to call me.  I am at work and I could not hold it
 together so I am leaving.  I may go to the doctor to get a sedative.
 
 my # is 694-5455.
 
 On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kelley, give me the details.  Did they have a search warrant?  Did you
  consent to a search or the seizure?  What paperwork were you given?  What
  did you sign?  Is there a hearing date?
 
 
  Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  My cats were seized yesterday by animal control. I had taken some
  sick animals to Emancipet for treatment and they sent the Austin
  Police Department an email stating they were concerned.
 
  I am in desperate, desperate need of monies for an attorney, since I
  spend every cent I have caring for these animals. In this case I
  could not give you a tax deduction as I do when you have so kindly in
  the past donated to help my animals. I could send you a thank you
  note and pay it forward to some other rescuers at some other time.
 
  If all you can do is send your prayers that is also appreciated.
 
  THanks,
 
  Kelley
 
  --
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
  http://www.rescuties.org
 
  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
 
  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
 
  Please help George!
 
  http://rescuties.chipin.com/george
 
  I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
 
  Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
  Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
 http://www.rescuties.org
 
 Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
 
 http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
 
 Please help George!
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/george
 
 I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
 
 Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
 Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
 
 

Re: Need some help

[Kat]

Oh Kelley,

Did you keep any of the info Michelle Lerner had given to Hideyo back when
she was having legal troubles??  That will at least give you a start.

If you didn't keep the info, I could go back thru my files and do a cut 
paste for you...

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Kelley Saveika wrote:

 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:42:11 -0600
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Need some help
 
 sorry, it is 512-694-5455.  Anyone feel free to call, especially if
 you know how to get a lawyer.  I have never needed one before.
 
 On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have to leave for work soon so I'll probably have to call this evening.
  (If it's slow I may be able to call from work.)  What is your area code?
 
  Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Susan, you need to call me. I am at work and I could not hold it
  together so I am leaving. I may go to the doctor to get a sedative.
 
  my # is 694-5455.
 
  On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
   Kelley, give me the details. Did they have a search warrant? Did you
   consent to a search or the seizure? What paperwork were you given? What
   did you sign? Is there a hearing date?
  
  
   Kelley Saveika wrote:
   Hi guys,
  
   My cats were seized yesterday by animal control. I had taken some
   sick animals to Emancipet for treatment and they sent the Austin
   Police Department an email stating they were concerned.
  
   I am in desperate, desperate need of monies for an attorney, since I
   spend every cent I have caring for these animals. In this case I
   could not give you a tax deduction as I do when you have so kindly in
   the past donated to help my animals. I could send you a thank you
   note and pay it forward to some other rescuers at some other time.
  
   If all you can do is send your prayers that is also appreciated.
  
   THanks,
  
   Kelley
  
   --
   Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
  
   http://www.rescuties.org
  
   Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
  
   http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
  
   Please help George!
  
   http://rescuties.chipin.com/george
  
   I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
  
   Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
   Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
  
  
  
 
 
  --
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
  http://www.rescuties.org
 
  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
 
  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
 
  Please help George!
 
  http://rescuties.chipin.com/george
 
  I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
 
  Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
  Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
 http://www.rescuties.org
 
 Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
 
 http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
 
 Please help George!
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/george
 
 I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
 
 Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
 Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
 
 

Re: Need some help

[Kat]

Hi MC, 

I think Nina's been in contact with Hideyo...

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, MaryChristine wrote:

 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:38:24 -0500
 From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Need some help
 
 has anyone spoken with hideyo lately? i know she'd been having hassles of
 her own, so i wasn't sure about contacting her yesterday--but if anyone
 knows that's she's okay, i've got her number and can give it to kelley.
 
 
 
 On Nov 9, 2007 9:52 AM, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Oh Kelley,
 
  Did you keep any of the info Michelle Lerner had given to Hideyo back when
  she was having legal troubles??  That will at least give you a start.
 
  If you didn't keep the info, I could go back thru my files and do a cut 
  paste for you...
 
  Kat (Mew Jersey)
 
  On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 
   Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:42:11 -0600
   From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: Need some help
  
   sorry, it is 512-694-5455.  Anyone feel free to call, especially if
   you know how to get a lawyer.  I have never needed one before.
  
   On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to leave for work soon so I'll probably have to call this
  evening.
(If it's slow I may be able to call from work.)  What is your area
  code?
   
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susan, you need to call me. I am at work and I could not hold it
together so I am leaving. I may go to the doctor to get a sedative.
   
my # is 694-5455.
   
On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 Kelley, give me the details. Did they have a search warrant? Did you
 consent to a search or the seizure? What paperwork were you given?
  What
 did you sign? Is there a hearing date?


 Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Hi guys,

 My cats were seized yesterday by animal control. I had taken some
 sick animals to Emancipet for treatment and they sent the Austin
 Police Department an email stating they were concerned.

 I am in desperate, desperate need of monies for an attorney, since I
 spend every cent I have caring for these animals. In this case I
 could not give you a tax deduction as I do when you have so kindly
  in
 the past donated to help my animals. I could send you a thank you
 note and pay it forward to some other rescuers at some other time.

 If all you can do is send your prayers that is also appreciated.

 THanks,

 Kelley

 --
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

 http://www.rescuties.org

 Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

 http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

 Please help George!

 http://rescuties.chipin.com/george

 I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

 Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching
  the
 Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!



   
   
--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
   
http://www.rescuties.org
   
Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
   
http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
   
Please help George!
   
http://rescuties.chipin.com/george
   
I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
   
Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
   
   
   
  
  
   --
   Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
  
   http://www.rescuties.org
  
   Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
  
   http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
  
   Please help George!
  
   http://rescuties.chipin.com/george
  
   I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
  
   Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
   Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
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