Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-28 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
Apparently the trail of shadows phenomenon has been fixed in F2K4. I haven't yet used it enough to find out. It has been fixed but in it's place there are new problems. For example when working in Speedy and deleting some notes and then moving on to another measure, the deleted notes

Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-28 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
Edit -- yes, get to the text block in question -- no. You have to search through the whole list and sometimes it is very long. You can always edit text blocks without having to resort to memory or squinting at an out-of-place location by going to the Text menu and clicking on Edit Text...

Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-28 Thread David H. Bailey
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis wrote: [snip] Also, there's a bug with the Text tool in Page view: while editing in anything other than 100% zoom the text block is shown somewhere else on the page, and with the wrong line spacing. Again, when you finish editing it bounces back to the correct place. So if

Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.02.2004 11:54 Uhr, d. collins wrote Mr. Liudas Motekaitis écrit: The best thing to have happened in 2004 is Expressions placement. Agreed, that, and Finalescript. Have you used Finale Script? What for? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de

Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online

2004-02-27 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I am not sure whether you are joking or being serious. Whatever the case, cross staffing is much easier than that in Fin2k4. Select the notes, select the plugin, click GO and you are done. Johannes On 27.02.2004 3:10 Uhr, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote Hi all, Some time ago I mentioned some of

[OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:45 AM 2/27/04 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am not sure whether you are joking or being serious. Whatever the case, cross staffing is much easier than that in Fin2k4. Select the notes, select the plugin, click GO and you are done. I wasn't joking. One of the things I like about Graphire

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 27.02.2004 16:53 Uhr, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote At 09:45 AM 2/27/04 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am not sure whether you are joking or being serious. Whatever the case, cross staffing is much easier than that in Fin2k4. Select the notes, select the plugin, click GO and you are done.

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plusrant]

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:28 PM 2/27/04 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: weren't you refering to cross staffing? I don't know Graphire at all, but going from the instructions on the web site this seems incredibly complicated. It needs ghost notes to start with. This is much easier in Finale, especially when using the

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
Interesting rant. I have 3 things to add: (1) Although I'm not sure, but as an educated guess, I'd say that most of Finale's bugs, kludges, and bad programming that infuriate Dennis have to do with the fact that the programmers who work on music notation software have to be musically inclined.

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:55 PM 2/27/04 +0200, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis wrote: (1) Although I'm not sure, but as an educated guess, I'd say that most of Finale's bugs, kludges, and bad programming that infuriate Dennis have to do with the fact that the programmers who work on music notation software have to be

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
Speaking of the Polansky, I need an 'approximate equals' sign in one of the music fonts (the curved equal sign) to add before dynamic markings. Anybody seen one? I don't know of one, but if you don't find it you can easily make one in the shape designer out of two of these ~ symbols in

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 07:34 PM 2/27/04 +0200, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis wrote: This is from Robert Patterson's plugin description on his webpage: Metric is similar to Set, but the right bracket starts out flush with the next metric position following the tuplet. (If the tuplet is at the end of the bar, the bracket

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:02 PM 2/27/04 +0100, d. collins wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz écrit: Lyrics difficulties are legion (as I was about to send this, Johannes is having a problem with placing punctuation where it belongs). Where it belongs is a matter of opinion. A vast majority seem to think it belongs before

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online

2004-02-27 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
Note that this part of the plugin doesn't appear to work correctly for tuplets stretching across barlines, and also messes up the tuplets in the right-hand bar (into which the tuplet stretched). I'm wondering if there isn't a faster way for you to do that. For example setting the measure

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:05 PM 2/27/04 +0200, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis wrote: I'm wondering if there isn't a faster way for you to do that. For example setting the measure metrics for each measure according to the actual tuplet lengths, using no barline. Then just add the barlines with the All-New-Super-Duper-I-Love-It

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online

2004-02-27 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 27.02.2004 18:51 Uhr, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote It's probably clear by now that this Dennis believes where it belongs is always where the composer (or editor) wants it to be, not where the software wants it to be -- unless the two happen to agree. :) Actually, in my case the composer has

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Feb 2004 at 19:34, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis wrote: [Dennis B-K:] Speaking of the Polansky, I need an 'approximate equals' sign in one of the music fonts (the curved equal sign) to add before dynamic markings. Anybody seen one? I don't know of one, but if you don't find it you can

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 27 Feb 2004, at 10:53 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Even basic interface functions were still debilitated as of 2K3, in the Windows UI at least. The problem with scrolling remained (i.e., not respecting the up/down/left/right arrows for page motion, no proper wheel functions, and no

Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account
rant begin Seeing other software's ease, speed, and contemporaneity reminds me of how very tired I am of fighting with Finale's prehistoric functionality. I hate the requirement for plugins. [snip] Finale has been an increasing mess for years, and unless something has dramatically

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 12:07 PM -0500 2/27/04, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Speaking of the Polansky, I need an 'approximate equals' sign in one of the music fonts (the curved equal sign) to add before dynamic markings. Anybody seen one? In Avant Garde font on my Mac under Opt-x I have that symbol. Hope that helps.

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:20 PM 2/27/04 -0500, Darcy James Argue wrote: [I should add that I don't know if this is supported -- or even possible -- on the Windows side of things. It's possible in OS X because OpenGL is such an integral part of the OS. The OpenGL integration is not supported in Sibelius for OS 9,

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Steve Gibons
On Feb 27, 2004, at 4:26 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Unfortunately, the demo does not load Finale files, and many of those I tried to load come up with a 'fatal error' Is that an ETF file you're loading? If not, try that. steve ___ Finale mailing

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 27 Feb 2004, at 05:26 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: [Of Sibelius for Windows] The display does have smoothing, and even at highest quality, the display shows no lag at any magnification. It is a faster display than most graphics-heavy programs. Interesting. Could you do me a favor? Could

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 03:55 PM 2/27/04 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: I have a set of Microsoft fonts that I picked up about 10 years ago, the Lucida Bright Math family, and every such sign you'd want is in there in one of those three fonts. They're pretty high-quality fonts, too. They are all copyrighted 1991 by

Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Matthew, Thanks for the comments. I agree about the third-party plugin developers doing a great job and being very responsive -- though I have trouble with the TGTools UI (see http://maltedmedia.com/photos/tgtools.gif). At 09:09 AM 2/28/04 +1100, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: Scroll

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:52 PM 2/27/04 -0600, Steve Gibons wrote: On Feb 27, 2004, at 4:26 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Unfortunately, the demo does not load Finale files, and many of those I tried to load come up with a 'fatal error' Is that an ETF file you're loading? If not, try that. Thanks, that was

Re: [OT] Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:06 PM 2/27/04 -0500, Darcy James Argue wrote: Interesting. Could you do me a favor? Could set the Smoothing control all the way to the left (i.e., turn off smoothing entirely) and see what happens? Almost identical in speed, but it's actually faster to the left ('faster'), but the

Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:27 PM 2/27/2004, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: the TGTools UI (see http://maltedmedia.com/photos/tgtools.gif). This gives me http://maltedmedia.com/notfound.html Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online [plus rant]

2004-02-27 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 10:29 PM 2/27/2004, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 08:27 PM 2/27/2004, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: the TGTools UI (see http://maltedmedia.com/photos/tgtools.gif). This gives me http://maltedmedia.com/notfound.html Nevermind, email malfunction -- Eudora thought the URL included the trailing ) and

[Finale] Just noticed Graphire manual online

2004-02-26 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Hi all, Some time ago I mentioned some of the interesting features of Graphire. The manual is online, and here is one page that is interesting (have animated GIFs turned on): http://www.bandcmusic.com/Stage/editing-12019.html I sure do like that easy cross-staff beaming. :) The manual is not