At 7:19 PM 09/18/02, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
When lyrics are not considered simple straight text as the default state,
but rather some sort of 'objects', then you're in geek mode. I think that's
just not acceptable behavior, and that anyone has adapted to it is only a
statement of their
Okay,
Due to *overwhelming* demand -- who knew there were so many lurkers on
the list! Who knew so many people wanted these modifications as badly
as I did! -- I have put the modified version of JazzCord up on my .Mac
homepage, where it will stay until at least Sept 30 (or longer, if I
At 7:19 pm -0400 9/18/02, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
I'm gonna defend David on this one, because although I've used
Finale for nearly 11 years, I despise using lyrics and find the
whole system distasteful and regressive.
Thank you Dennis for standing up to say this. I seldom use lyrics
with
Even more useful would be if this number could be clicked upon in order to
change the verse number without having to go up to the Menu and dialog box
all the time. Or alternatively, if there were a keyboard shortcut for next
verse and previous verse.
Thanks for considering this
Sounds great! Would you send me a copy, please, Jef?
Thanks!
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 04:29 PM 9/18/02 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote:
if you want a copy of this font (TT and PS versions), I will be
happy to send them along (unless Jef wants to control the distribution
himself).
At 12:42 AM 9/19/02 -0800, Mark D. Lew wrote:
OK, but couldn't the same be said about pretty much any feature? Couldn't
you say, for example, that speedy entry is an awkward and counterintuitive
system and the fact that you and I get good results out of it is evidence
only our our flexibility?
On Thu, 19 September 2002, Dennis W. Manasco wrote:
A database that allows itself to be
irretrievably corrupted through reasonable user actions is a pretty
fragile database.
I agree with this statement, but I do not agree that Finale's lyrics
implementation conforms to it. It is true that
Ditto here!!!...Would LOVE to have any fonts/improvements for chords!
Thanks,
Andy
This is great news!
triple chapeau, jef!
I sure would like to have the new JazzCord!
Barbara
On 15.09.2002 14:49 Uhr, Robert Patterson wrote
A number of you have reported problems with MacFin crashing on exit,
esp. with certain 3rd-party plugins installed including mine. Since I
got my new G4, I've been seeing the same problem. While I haven't yet
pinpointed its exact source, I do
This is looking less like idle speculation and more like a credible
strategy for Apple's future:
Apple Computer is looking toward a 64-bit future for the Mac --
courtesy of PowerPC partner IBM.
According to sources, IBM Microelectronics, a division of IBM, is
working with Apple on a
At 4:49 AM 09/19/02, Dennis W. Manasco wrote:
That is the most absurd part of the problem: That an error in
judgement in manipulating lyrics can cause (seemingly) irreparable
damage to your file. A database that allows itself to be
irretrievably corrupted through reasonable user actions is a
Dear List,
Suddenly I found an extra repeat, which I cannot get rid of.
Help!
I have posted a picture at http://geminimusic.freehosting.net/
and the publisher is waiting!
Thanks for any help,
Barbara
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Can you click on it with the selection tool?
BF
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Subject: [Finale] Repeat bar
Dear List,
Suddenly I found an extra repeat, which I cannot
Could it have to do with the fact that Bass Tuba one is in a different key
than Bass Tuba 2?
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From: Barbara Touburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:09 PM
Subject: [Finale] Repeat bar
Dear List,
At 10:09 pm +0200 19.09.2002, Barbara Touburg wrote:
Suddenly I found an extra repeat, which I cannot get rid of.
Help!
I have posted a picture at http://geminimusic.freehosting.net/
and the publisher is waiting!
You may have an unwanted group consisting of just the tuba 1 staff.
Deleting it
On 18 Sep 2002 at 7:02, Robert Patterson wrote:
On Wed, 18 September 2002, David W. Fenton wrote:
Those are all indications of an ill-thought-out UI and bugs in the
implementation.
David, David. This is Finale we are talking about. Aren't you one of its
long-term users?
At 8:47 AM 09/19/02, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
Certainly, and there are systems that work that way. But pitches have a
much stronger linkage in all directions than words. And I think that what
you're looking for is perfectly achievable if text still behaved like text,
however the program
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At 7:13 AM 09/19/02, Robert Patterson wrote:
Someone said that the implementation is geeky. It *is* geeky, but (as Mark Lew
eloquently stated) it is very powerful. Sometimes geeky is okay, even if it
requires a little more thought
On 18 Sep 2002 at 17:01, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
(You
know about opt-click, right? This assigns ALL the syllables in the
edit window to the notes automatically, from the first note you click
until it encounters an empty measure or runs out of lyrics. Very
cool. You can shift right
On 18 Sep 2002 at 17:08, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 9:33 AM -0400 9/18/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
Oh, bollocks. This is an instance where Finale is fundamentally
broken. The default behavior of the copy is one issue alone, an ill-
chosen default with no sensible alternative. But the
I would love to hear from people who have the experience of printing with
both laser-jet and ink-jet printers. The technologies have come a long way
in recent years, and prices, especially of ink jet printers, have gone way
down. One question: if one were to print a Finale file on a HP postscript
David W. Fenton wrote:
Anyway, on to my solution:
I took someone's advice to insert and symbols in the lyrics
via TYPE IN SCORE so that I could find them in the EDIT LYRICS
window. What I saw was a jumble of lyrics, with parts of one word
stuck in the middle of other words.
David W. Fenton wrote:
What I understand now is that the lyrics subsystem is designed around
a number of assumptions about the way lyrics ought to work:
1. all voices will sing exactly the same lyrics at one time or the
other.
2. the punctuation and capitalization of the lyrics in all
Robert Patterson wrote:
On Thu, 19 September 2002, Dennis W. Manasco wrote:
A database that allows itself to be
irretrievably corrupted through reasonable user actions is a pretty
fragile database.
I agree with this statement, but I do not agree that Finale's lyrics
implementation
At 9:33 AM 09/18/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
However correct you may be as the voice of experience, that is the
most ludicrous advice I've ever heard. [...]
That's a really serious indictment of the stability of the Finale
file format.
First of all, David, welcome to the club. Those
No, that doesn't seem to have anything to with it.
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis schreef:
Could it have to do with the fact that Bass Tuba one is in a different key
than Bass Tuba 2?
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On 19 Sep 2002 at 0:42, Mark D. Lew wrote:
I can't tell if your objection is only to the interface and its unexpected
behavior, or to the basic concept of having lyrics be assignments to a
separate, ordered list of items. If it's the latter you object to, then I
would very much like to know
Thanks all, but I found it. In Scroll View, I went hunting for some obscure
staff group, and I found a group that should have consisted of all the
brass. Instead, it only went to bass tuba 1. I didn't notice, because there
was the group containing low brass, hiding the error. I think this
Barbara Touburg wrote:
Dear List,
Suddenly I found an extra repeat, which I cannot get rid of.
Help!
I'm guessing that somehow, you have the Bass Tuba 1 staff defined in two
groups, one of which is that staff all by itself.
ns
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On 19 Sep 2002 at 7:13, Robert Patterson wrote:
On Thu, 19 September 2002, Dennis W. Manasco wrote:
A database that allows itself to be
irretrievably corrupted through reasonable user actions is a pretty
fragile database.
I agree with this statement, but I do not agree that
On 19 Sep 2002 at 12:16, Mark D. Lew wrote:
At 4:49 AM 09/19/02, Dennis W. Manasco wrote:
That is the most absurd part of the problem: That an error in
judgement in manipulating lyrics can cause (seemingly) irreparable
damage to your file. A database that allows itself to be
irretrievably
On 18 Sep 2002 at 8:52, Thomas Schaller wrote:
Well, I've rescued the score, and fixed all the problems.
Glad to hear it.
I guess I was lucky that, for whatever reason, the lyrics for the top
line of my score (the line that was messed) were, largely, the last
thing that I entered. In the EDIT
On 19 Sep 2002 at 16:20, Thomas Schaller wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
Anyway, on to my solution:
I took someone's advice to insert and symbols in the lyrics
via TYPE IN SCORE so that I could find them in the EDIT LYRICS
window. What I saw was a jumble of lyrics, with
On 19 Sep 2002 at 17:10, Thomas Schaller wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
There is no option of an option. The other option would be text
expressions,
or else to glom on some new kind of lyric that is essentially a text
expression.
When copying a block of music, appending copies of
On 19 Sep 2002 at 15:09, Mark D. Lew wrote [quoting me]
[]
Knowing what I know now, I don't know if I'd try typing in the lyrics
and then click assigning. I understand the logic there, but the CLICK
ASSIGNMENT window has got to be the most user unfriendly window I've
ever seen -- the visual
David W. Fenton wrote:
Am I right in guessing that, when using TYPE IN SCORE, the EDIT
LYRICS window is populated in the order in which you enter the
lyrics, rather than in any logical order related to the score layout?
That is, if the first thing you enter typing into the score is the
David W. Fenton wrote, in part:
The system is designed around an assumption that the default and most
desirable method for lyrics entry is to enter the words used one
time, and then assign them all multiple times.
I'm not sure that that is the default assumption; I'd rather suspect that
Visually there isn't much difference between laserjets and inkjets at
the same dpi, unless you have a very discerning eye and are looking for
permanency.
There are people who will argue that there is a big difference between
postscript and non-postscript output. And if they can see the
At 02:06 PM 9/19/02 -0800, you wrote:
- I assume type-in-score still exists. (And if it doesn't, I'm sure many
will object.) When you use type-in-score to create a lyric, how does Finale
decide where in the text to create the new syllable? Does it add it to the
end of the text, or does it insert
I have to say this here now - too many people have indicated that the only
reliable way of handling lyrics is to enter them via the Edit window and
click assign them - well let me tell you guys, that until recently 90% of my
workload was choral music and after I got comfortable with Finale's
In various posts, David W. Fenton wrote:
Historically speaking, yes. But before I upgraded to WinFin2003, [...]
Oh, so you're in Fin 2003 now. Does that mean it has changed back?? In
MacFin2002, if I use type-in-score to enter lyrics out of order, but within
a single staff and verse, Finale
At 4:44 PM 09/19/02, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
Now, undo will correct the lyric displacement that occurs in steps 6 and
10, but I
submit that since lyric displacement does not happen on type into score,
it should
not happen after edit lyric, either. The results of inserting or deleting
syllables
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Subject: Re: [Finale] Jef's Improved JazzCord Font -- DOWNLOAD LINK
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:20:38 -0700
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When you download
Does FinMac 2003 finally address the issue of adding hyphens between
syllables over onto a new system, or do I need to continue to add a phantom
hyphen (option-space-hyphen) to accomplish this?
Martin
Martin Banner
Monticello, New York
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On 19 Sep 2002 at 17:04, Mark D. Lew wrote:
In various posts, David W. Fenton wrote:
Historically speaking, yes. But before I upgraded to WinFin2003, [...]
Oh, so you're in Fin 2003 now. Does that mean it has changed back?? In
MacFin2002, if I use type-in-score to enter lyrics out of
At 6:06 PM -0400 9/19/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
But you leave out the most important part: Finale makes it extremely
difficult to undo the unintended errors.
THis is a bit of a change of subject, but speaking of unintended
behaviours screwing up one's scores, how about the repeat tool?
I
I wrote, in part:
Now, undo will correct the lyric displacement that occurs in steps 6 and
10, but I
submit that since lyric displacement does not happen on type into score,
it should
not happen after edit lyric, either. The results of inserting or deleting
syllables in both modes
le 9/19/02 5:11 PM, Mr. Liudas Motekaitis à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
I would love to hear from people who have the experience of printing with
both laser-jet and ink-jet printers. The technologies have come a long way
in recent years, and prices, especially of ink jet printers, have gone
At 5:49 PM 09/19/02, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
Is this plug-in territory? I don't yet know enough about programming to
know for
sure, but it seems logical that a plug in could examine a text block, list
all of
the assignments between a given lyric syllable and various lines, and make
it simple
to
At 6:30 PM 09/19/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
If I were setting Mozart's Requiem, I'd enter the lyrics in their entirety,
repeats and all (using copy-and-paste within the Edit Lyrics window where
appropriate), then click-assign them all at once with option-click and
shift as necessary. . . .
At 10:38 PM 9/19/02 -0400, ÉQ==ric Dussault wrote:
It makes me laugh when I see 2400 x 2400 inkjet
printer. The paper WILL absorb the ink and you will never have the level of
details of, let say a HP Laserjet 5000.
The latter is generally true, but if you're printing high-quality inkjet
images
I have a question:
I have a midi file of an orchestral piece which was generated on Mac's
Mosiac a long time ago. The midi file has all the voies as seperate tracks
named by instrument. the midi file ends up having horn II on staff 3, and
flute 1 on staff 28 if you get my picture here:
Is there
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Is there a neat, quick finale way to put the staves in the correct order
without dragging them all around? Like a staff ordering wizard?
I don't know of one, however, I would not find the task of manually
rearranging them to be particularly onerous. If you do
At 9:18 PM 09/19/02, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
I don't enter consecutive hyphens as much anymore either, but they get
generated in
type into score mode when one has [...]
[...] the original separators persist, so that an examination of the
lyrics block shows something on the order of Hal - - -le -
Jane Frasier wrote a while back:
I have a Mac - OS 9.2.2, Finale 2003. I opened a number of files for parts
and queued up some print jobs -- i.e. 8 copies of flute, 2 copies of oboe, 2
copies of bassoon, etc. and went to make dinner. I came back to check on
them and it was printing 8 copies of
Dear folks,
I have been following this very lengthy thread and have just a few
observations to make: I have been using Finale since Version 1.0. If
you look at my list of compositions on my web site, you will see that
about 85% of it is choral or vocal music, so I've been entering
lyrics in
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