Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-19 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Vivian Meazza wrote: Been doing some more eye-candy myself: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/57645542/fgfs-screen-093.png using our new linear texture facility. It's not it FGdata yet, and I'm not even sure it's going to make the next release. That looks very

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Yes it does, but haven't got any nice textures for that yet. Any volunteers? Vivian From: Stuart Buchanan [mailto:stuar...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 November 2012 10:05 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012... On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
Thorsten wrote Hmm . that's an underwhelming list, and I can't come up with anything that's really any better. Does that encapsulate the problem? Well well, it would seem our shader-based treatment of light and the environment is quite competitive against what FSX has to offer:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-17 Thread Renk Thorsten
Hmm . that's an underwhelming list, and I can't come up with anything that's really any better. Does that encapsulate the problem? Well well, it would seem our shader-based treatment of light and the environment is quite competitive against what FSX has to offer:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:44:59 +0100, Gijs wrote in message dub002-w526f44a3616768d066e468d3...@phx.gbl: Anyone got a Kinect or two? This would make a nice attention-grabber (controlling an aircraft by moving your bare hands in space) :-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-15 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Anyone got a Kinect or two? This would make a nice attention-grabber (controlling an aircraft by moving your bare hands in space) :-) http://threegearsystems.blogspot.nl/2012/11/flightgear-demo.html

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-08 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Am 06.11.2012 22:16, schrieb Durk Talsma: Yes, I also talked to Martin Crompton. James told me later on that you had been in touch with him. My action was rather spontaneous, so I asked him whether we could try to support Saitek products, without me knowing that you were also working on it.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-08 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Torsten, You might want to check out the event input system, I have implemented some time ago. It's much more flexible than our joystick input system as it handles more events (relative axies e.g.) and is able to send events _to_ the device, too (switching LED's e.g.). Tat implemented

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-08 Thread James Turner
On 8 Nov 2012, at 09:04, Durk Talsma wrote: I just plugged in the device, linked the USB device to my virtual Windows 8 box, where it showed up as using two devices. One of them was HID, so I think we're good. Also, Martin Crompton, my contact at Saitek appears to be very forthcoming in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-08 Thread Renk Thorsten
Thanks for the responses, I think I understand the issue much better. The eye catcher is not the gem, but things you see, and notice, from a distance, like a huge flag with free writen on it. I guess it'd just be a matter of setting things up. Sure, on a laptop things tend to get lost. But

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-08 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi all, Now that my last exams of 2012 are over, I finally have some time to write a lengthy email :-) FSweekend Too sad I could only join on Saturday (due to exams), but I'm glad I did come! Meeting James, Alexis and Christian in person was really nice, and so was the rest of the day.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-08 Thread Vivian Meazza
Gijs wrote: http://wiki.flightgear.org/Unique_Features Hmm . that's an underwhelming list, and I can't come up with anything that's really any better. Does that encapsulate the problem? Our USP is that FG is FREE - yes FREE. We might not have as much eye-candy as other sims, some of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-08 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Beamers are great, as they can provide a view to many more spectators than you can gather around an ordinary screen. We did have the largest screen so far, but it was floating somewhere in the room, so there was no clear connection to our

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-08 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Stuart, One other nice side-effect of using a projector is that their reduced resolution relative to a LCD display means one can run more eye-candy or get better frame-rates. Just a quick (and admittedly not completely serious) response for now: Not quite true: I specifically

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-08 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hi stuart and Jaroslav, thanks for the aircraft page feedback! the quick search works on authors only Oops, that's a bug :-) Actually, I have two versions of the script. The other is at http://flightgear.byethost31.com/wordpress/download/download-aircraft (don't mind the layout, that was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Thorsten, On 07 Nov 2012, at 08:52, Renk Thorsten wrote: If I'm not much mistaken, during the last year we got (in addition to Rembrandt): * atmospheric light scattering * regional texturing * placement masks for random objects * procedural texturing * Canvas with all the goodies

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread James Turner
On 7 Nov 2012, at 08:24, Durk Talsma wrote: Surely there must be something in this list which qualifies as major innovation? Surely this is not _all_ my personal bias that I like certain features? :-) Please note that I never said that we didn't *have* any major new features. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread Adrian Musceac
On Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:30:47 James Turner wrote: Also, everything on Thorsten's lists is things that FS-X does, or has done even for some time. Maybe not as good (but maybe better) as our solutions, but again, that's no help for catching people's initial attention. James

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Adrian, On 07 Nov 2012, at 09:48, Adrian Musceac wrote: What about AI traffic according to real-life schedules, for most major airlines? That's something FS-X doesn't do out of the box. That's certainly a good feature to mention and -as you may have guessed- something I care about a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread Renk Thorsten
Hi Durk, Please note that I never said that we didn't *have* any major new features. The major difference between previous years and this year was that we didn't have *obvious* eye catchers. Every feature you mention is really a great improvement, but they are not sufficiently salient

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 10:48:27 +0100 Durk Talsma wrote: On a more general note, the latter argument makes it really difficult to convince these people that FlightGear might be worth considering. I've also gotten a few questions about whether there would be commercial add-ons for FlightGear,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Thorsten, On 07 Nov 2012, at 10:55, Renk Thorsten wrote: Sorry, I don't want to talk down on the great job you guys are doing in presenting all this, I'm just trying to understand what it is you consider an eye-catcher. I'm just a bit mystified that somehow a feature which dominated

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread geneb
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012, AJ MacLeod wrote: On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 10:48:27 +0100 Durk Talsma wrote: It's definitely worth putting effort into promotion of FG, I'm sure the vast majority of FSX (and probably X-Plane) users have almost no idea of what it is or is capable of and there are bound to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread geneb
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012, Durk Talsma wrote: Hi Thorsten, So, what I was actually looking for was new ways of *using* FlightGear, within the limitations of an internet-free environment. Our lan based multiplayer server was very effiective in the past, and in the last few years we also had some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread Vivian Meazza
developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012... Hi Thorsten, On 07 Nov 2012, at 10:55, Renk Thorsten wrote: Sorry, I don't want to talk down on the great job you guys are doing in presenting all this, I'm just trying to understand what it is you consider an eye

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread castle . 64
, November 7, 2012 7:31:23 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012... On Wed, 7 Nov 2012, Durk Talsma wrote: Hi Thorsten, So, what I was actually looking for was new ways of *using* FlightGear, within the limitations of an internet-free environment. Our lan based multiplayer server

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread Alexis Bory
Le 07/11/2012 10:55, Renk Thorsten a écrit : Sorry, I don't want to talk down on the great job you guys are doing in presenting all this, I'm just trying to understand what it is you consider an eye-catcher. I'm just a bit mystified that somehow a feature which dominated our screenshot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Gene (and John), On 07 Nov 2012, at 15:31, geneb wrote: Durk, if you can find someone that's willing to cut the parts for you, I'd be happy to donate a drawing set for my single-seat collimated display system. You show up next year with THAT and I can just about guarantee most folks

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread ThorstenB
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012, Durk Talsma wrote: No worries. :-). This is actually fairly subjective, and I'm afraid that I didn't explain my concern too well in my initial post. The real issue is salience, which you can describe as the subjective property of a percept to stand out from it's environment

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-07 Thread geneb
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012, Durk Talsma wrote: Hi Gene (and John), On 07 Nov 2012, at 15:31, geneb wrote: Durk, if you can find someone that's willing to cut the parts for you, I'd be happy to donate a drawing set for my single-seat collimated display system. You show up next year with THAT and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-06 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Hi Durk and the FSWeekend crew! Firstly, thanks very much to everyone for flying the FG flag at FSWeekend. I can appreciate it's a huge amount of work each year. Great also to see a Scottish contingent. I'm still hoping to make it some time, and have been laying the groundwork early for next

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-06 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Stuart, On 06 Nov 2012, at 14:00, Stuart Buchanan wrote: Hi Durk and the FSWeekend crew! Firstly, thanks very much to everyone for flying the FG flag at FSWeekend. I can appreciate it's a huge amount of work each year. Great also to see a Scottish contingent. I'm still hoping to make

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-06 Thread James Turner
On 6 Nov 2012, at 21:16, Durk Talsma wrote: Yes, I also talked to Martin Crompton. James told me later on that you had been in touch with him. My action was rather spontaneous, so I asked him whether we could try to support Saitek products, without me knowing that you were also working

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-06 Thread TDO Brandano
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012... On 6 Nov 2012, at 21:16, Durk Talsma wrote: Yes, I also talked to Martin Crompton. James told me later on that you had been in touch with him. My action was rather spontaneous, so I asked him

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-06 Thread Stuart Buchanan
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Durk Talsma wrote: Yes, I also talked to Martin Crompton. James told me later on that you had been in touch with him. My action was rather spontaneous, so I asked him whether we could try to support Saitek products, without me knowing that you were also

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-06 Thread geneb
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, TDO Brandano wrote: Ok, silly idea, but it might just work. You could try to install the drivers in a wineprefix and reroute the traffic to the usb device on the linux side so that the stream of data gets logged somewhere? I think the smarter path, providing Saitek won't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-06 Thread Renk Thorsten
presenting something drastically new every year. But this year the new essence seemed to be missing somewhat. I didn't really feel that we had any major innovations to show (with the notable exception of project rembrandt, which ran well on Alexis' machine). With our multiscreen

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-05 Thread Durk Talsma
Hey Thorsten et al, Yeah, I guess it's time for some further impressions of FSWeekend from my perspective. This year was our 7th consecutive presentation, and the first time we had a presentation that was considerably scaled down compared to our previous tradition of growing in size every

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-04 Thread Jon S. Berndt
... is already over now, unfortunately. For those who couldn't attend but are interested in what it was like (make sure to join next year!), here are some photos showing the event and FlightGear booth: http://www.flickr.com/photos/70866411@N05/sets/72157631926925511/detail / More

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-04 Thread ThorstenB
Am 04.11.2012 20:39, schrieb Jon S. Berndt: Did you run into Austin Meyer (X-Plane)? No, he was there last year to promote his latest release, but I'm not aware that he attended this year. (There were rumours someone had seen a Curtis Olson at the event, but that is yet another story...;-) ).

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...

2012-11-04 Thread Curtis Olson
Those rumors would definitely be interesting! On Nov 4, 2012 3:28 PM, ThorstenB bre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 04.11.2012 20:39, schrieb Jon S. Berndt: Did you run into Austin Meyer (X-Plane)? No, he was there last year to promote his latest release, but I'm not aware that he attended this