"while vacuuming the carpet I found
a dime!"
ARTNATURAL
At 18:41 Uhr -0400 15.07.2001, Reed Altemus wrote:
So no, it is not so strange to me that there is no definition of Fluxus.
RA Of course, nobody defined it. Why is that so strange?
And what is the difference between a definition and those rules of Ken ?
Just Kens art or art ?
Well, who was
Eric,
Listowners, who try to solve disputes by banning people should meet no
respect.
Listowners not respected should step down.
As much as it might be valid in general, I think we are a private list.
Somebody is paying for it.
And he can do whatever he wants. Thats life.
H.
As much as it might be valid in general, I think we are a private list.
Somebody is paying for it.
And he can do whatever he wants. Thats life.
H.
I agree.
Whoever said the list was a democracy?
ponder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:25:44 +0200
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
Of course, nobody defined it. Why is that so strange?
Reed Altemus wrote:
Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
To which I would reply: neither did or
Well, some people working within the network had some of these attitudes.
Some not. None of them had all of them. Many people working outside the
network had many of them. Some all.
Reed Altemus wrote:
Well, like the attitude that once you have
an approach to a problem, you then thinkof
At 9:47 Uhr +0100 16.07.2001, Roger Stevens wrote:
As much as it might be valid in general, I think we are a private list.
I agree.
Whoever said the list was a democracy?
But, on the other hand, see it as a party, and we, as a group, could decide
to go.
, Roger Stevens wrote:
As much as it might be valid in general, I think we are a private list.
I agree.
Whoever said the list was a democracy?
But, on the other hand, see it as a party, and we, as a group, could decide
to go.
true
I brought my harp to the party
and nobody asked me to play
At 10:46 Uhr +0100 16.07.2001, Roger Stevens wrote:
I brought my harp to the party
and nobody asked me to play
Yeah, but arent we all playing some kind of harp ?
Lilith had a harp in Roma, nice instrument. Bom sharkar !
The g2k affair, hmmm. Had many sides. Harping in the internet,
irony,
StAubryThomas:
Piss off, will you.
I like him. Even if he writes sometimes things I see in a different way.
It was extremly stupid by whoever was responsible for this to block a topic
from discussion and not a person/sender.
did you laugh?
XXX
Ernest
Yeah, I laughed.
Perhaps I'm easily amused.
000
BadgerGirl
Dear John,
you make me laugh.
At 11:32 AM 7/14/01, you wrote:
StAubryThomas:
Piss off, will you.
The High/Hugh is not remotely amusing, and is, in fact, tedious in the
extreme.
Slide back to your burrow like a good rodent, will you?
Now, about planting...
High!
On
I don't care what you find interesting or not. I just explained a few things
as a response to Sol's wish to ban 2 more persons from the list.
Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
Eric Andersen
Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey Eric,
members
that none of the original artists from
Dear Heiko,
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
what did you or do you think of Dick Higgins ?
Dick was one of my best friends. A great artist and scholar.
Al Hanson ? Was he an artist ?
Which works would you say are art ? (I liked the early theoretical things
on Happenings most.
And his sentence:
Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
To which I would reply: neither did or do you, Mr. Anderson, sir. In certain areas he
defined it well enough for me.
RA
Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey Eric,
members that none of the original artists from the Flux festivalsconsidered
This is plain silly. Of course I can unsubscribe. Of course I can start
my own list. However, I can also express my opinion about this list.
Listowners, who try to solve disputes by banning people should meet no
respect.
Listowners not respected should step down.
Eric Andersen
George
Hey, you're the one who brought up the "definition" problem, not me! Thought you were
gonna slip that past me eh? No, of course no one defined Fluxus, from what I understand
the less defined it was the harder it was for anyone to coopt it- for me it remains an attitude,
not an ism. I think
What do you mean by attitude? Which attitude?
Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey, you're the one who brought up the "definition"
problem, not me! Thought you weregonna slip that past me eh? No, of course
no one defined Fluxus, from what I understandthe less defined it was the
harder it was for anyone to
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
i wonder if this words
can not be considered an intend
of jump to the fire
by ken friedman.
Call for papers
FLUXUS was an international community of artists, architects,
designers, and composers described as the most radical and
experimental art movement
High, dear Fluxlisters!
I'm giving you the choice to either stop this
pointless agitation and contribute to the list in a positive way or
I remove you both from the list permanently ..
this decision will NOT be voted
upon apart from by the owner group!
Brahmahaha!
we let Eric and his
http://www.originalism.com/
http://www.feniks.com/vote.html
Cheers!
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why does eric constantly have to refer to ken friedman, why does he bring up
ken's name?
was ken involved in the G2000 thing, or tamas' tests?
let's vote
hands up who give a
ahem!
i
don't
belive
in
god
(pausa)
...pez
De: narvis ...pez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:25:17 -0400
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
a nostalgic event on-line
called
fluxtest x
1. go to your window
tell the world
hey, hey
i'm not ready to vote!!!
but if i must to do
i vote for ??
(see next event)
let genius-2mil rest in peace
...pez
De: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:29:08 +0200
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
why
MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
--
carol starr
taos, new mexico, usa
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--- Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
MUCH DOO-DOO ABOUT NOTHING is more like it.
I'm ready for the happy pictures and stories from our
London/Tate excursion!
Rod (in the morning, before his tai chi and his chai tea)
--
~
bevy \BEV-ee\, noun:
1. A group;
High!
On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Carol Starr wrote:
MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
It's about Parity, Sisterhood, Leave.
Hugh!
a101a
Sol brought Ken Friedman's name up. I didn't
alan bowman wrote:
why does eric constantly have to refer to ken friedman, why does he bring up
ken's name?
was ken involved in the G2000 thing, or tamas' tests?
let's vote
hands up who give a
ahem!
At 01:01 AM 7/14/01 +0200, Eric Anderson wrote:
I still think Bukoff and the rest of the old listowners should step down
asap.
And what purpose would be served by that?
The term listowner is a technical term related to the software, kindly
hosted by scribble.com, that operates the e-mail
At 1:01 Uhr +0200 14.07.2001, Eric Andersen wrote:
Not only highly appreciated by Emmett Williams, Arthur Koepcke, Tomas
Schmit and
myself but by most artists connected to the network and finally by
George Maciunas
with a delay of some 10 years.
Well, as you seem to know them all, what did you
At 11:32 AM 7/14/01, you wrote:
StAubryThomas:
Piss off, will you.
The High/Hugh is not remotely amusing, and is, in fact, tedious in the
extreme.
Slide back to your burrow like a good rodent, will you?
Now, about planting...
High!
On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Carol Starr wrote:
MUCH ADO
Okay. This topic seems done. If anyone else has something
disparaging to say about Eric/Tamas, it seems like it's
already been said.
Lets talk about other things. Has anyone heard anything
about the game show exhibit at the Mass Moca? I went there
a few weeks ago. It was the first time I had
So - what is/ was genius 2000?
An online personality by some idiot. He was spamming the list with shit.
Question remains how this should have been adressed properly.
Was there any censorship ?
I think he would have been kicked off every list.
H.
I (and probably a lot of others)
haven't a
What they are asking for carries no weight, and you are escalating
Blablablabla. Please give us a definition for censorship.
Hi
I get the feeling I'm the only one who thinks Eric and Tamas are funny.
And
possibly
I wondered if it was an event
maybe funny
but reading through it all
I can't see the humour
I don't mean that ironically. More to the point, I believe they are very
much aware that they're being funny.
by the way
IS the fluxlist a democracy?
I live in a democracy
(not an ideal one, I admit)
but my websites
my books
my house
my car
my garden
they are not democracies
I ask troublemakers to leave
it's nice to share your lettuces with slugs and snails
but if you want edible lettuces...
XXX
Hi Alex,
Actually I too do not want to see anyone kicked off Fluxlist. In fact I urge
people to kick people onto Fluxlist. Although I suggest the use of soft
shoes.
cheers,
Sol.
I live in a democracy
(not an ideal one, I admit)
but my websites
my books
my house
my car
my garden
Hey Roger,
I live in Mexico's cradle of democracy -Baja California does it count?
xxbb
_
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis ...pez wrote:
maybe we have an other genius 2000
or similar god in campaing again?
Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently)
one person banned (G-2000), would be the logical choice as
new (sole) list-owner.
/:b
As always, ex-listowner Sol doesn't get it.
1.
Tamas is not my sidekick and I am not his sidekick.
2.
More people are driven away from the list due to boredom than dispute.
3.
I didn't kick Ken Friedman off the list. He left out of plain
embarrassment after
he realized that it was absolutely
: FLUXLIST: test x
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis ...pez wrote:
maybe we have an other genius 2000
or similar god in campaing again?
Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently)
one person banned (G-2000), would be the logical choice as
new (sole) list-owner.
/:b
2001 15:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis ...pez wrote:
maybe we have an other genius 2000
or similar god in campaing again?
Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently)
one person banned (G-2000
At 01:01 AM 7/14/01 +0200, you wrote:
As always, ex-listowner Sol doesn't get it.
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
Best wishes to all and especially to the ones who get it.
Eric Andersen.
yawn
Is this going to be over soon?
Deborah
Probably not / Eric
Deborah wrote:
At 01:01 AM 7/14/01 +0200, you wrote:
As always, ex-listowner Sol doesn't get it.
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
Best wishes to all and especially to the ones who get it.
Eric Andersen.
yawn
Is this going to be over soon?
Grothus
--
From: narvis ...pez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001, 8:25 PM
a nostalgic event on-line
called
fluxtest x
1. go to your window
tell the world
why genius-2000
must become our meshias
So - what is/ was genius 2000?
I (and probably a lot of others)
haven't a clue what anyone's been talking about on this topic these last few
weeks
XXX
Roger
Hi Roger and all,
So - what is/ was genius 2000?
It and its creator were the cause of serious flames and tensions on Fluxlist
in the summer of 1999. Mainly because the list was constantly bombarded with
information about it. Nevertheless it was single-handedly responsible for
the need to create
High, dear Fluxlisters!
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, ann klefstad wrote:
Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be. Your
obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the content of the
messages
Tamas wrote:
If the Fluxlisters majority will vote YES,
then we shall vote about the voting about
the exclusion of ann klefstad.
My response:
Dear Tamas and Eric,
There is no question of excluding Ann from the list!
I personally have had enough of your tedious agitation on this list. For two
I'm with you, Sol!
Thanks,
John
At 04:27 PM 7/12/01 +0100, you wrote:
Tamas wrote:
If the Fluxlisters majority will vote YES,
then we shall vote about the voting about
the exclusion of ann klefstad.
My response:
Dear Tamas and Eric,
There is no question of excluding Ann from the list!
I
At 04:27 PM 7/12/01 +0100, you wrote:
I apologise to anyone who has just joined the list as it may seem at the
moment that being on this list is somewhat of a waste of time. Please rest
assured that this list has a good culture that is only occasionally
compromised as is occurring at the moment.
Dear John,
At 11:26 PM 7/11/01, you wrote:
Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be.
This is so untrue! It wasn't.
Your
obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the
got no sensa hewma?
Come on kids,
Lighten up.
BadgerGirl
--
From: Eryk Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2001, 5:00 PM
Sol is over reacting. If you don't like Eric or Tamas, ignore
them. Censorship and ostracism is never
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Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
High, dear Fluxlisters!
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, ann klefstad wrote:
Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be. Your
obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh
High!
Long live Genius 2000!
Hugh!
a101a
Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be. Your
obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the content of the
messages bracketed between them is equally brainless, and your campaign
against
At 11:26 PM 7/11/01, you wrote:
Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be. Your
obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the content of the
messages bracketed between them is equally
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