Re: [Foundation-l] Black market science

2011-07-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 July 2011 21:07, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Vaguely related: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/reddit-co-founder-charged-with-data-theft Aaron Swartz charged by federal prosecutors with illegally downloading over 4 million journal articles from JSTOR, with the intent to

[Foundation-l] Manypedia: comparing Linguistic Point of View

2011-07-17 Thread David Gerard
Although we supposedly don't do POV forks, we effectively *have* with the different language versions. So - http://manypedia.com On Manypedia you can compare the same Wikipedia page as it appears on 2 different language Wikipedias, both translated in your language. For example you can search for

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia as seen through 1964 acoustic, 300 baud modem

2011-07-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 July 2011 02:11, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Three cheers for open standards and and backwards compatibility! I would like to know if it is technically possible to edit a WP article through that system. I found it almost unusable on a 56k modem. So have fun! - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] roadmap for WM affiliation ; a name for self-identified affiliation

2011-07-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 July 2011 01:03, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed.  They're a very very special tool, but software not a reasonable definition for a movement.   The Unnamed Movement should be software-neutral, if not in name then CERTAINLY in practice. It's a thing and it exists and

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia as seen through 1964 acoustic, 300 baud modem

2011-07-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 July 2011 08:31, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations Liam, you've just made the case for micro stubs. http://twitter.com/#!/qikipedia - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] roadmap for WM affiliation ; a name for self-identified affiliation

2011-07-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 July 2011 20:07, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, I think debating the name is a bit cart before horse - the idea is that these organizations seem to share common ideals, and could cooperative in mutually beneficial ways with some sort of formal vehicle. I don't entirely agree.

Re: [Foundation-l] List of Wikimedia projects and languages

2011-07-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 July 2011 13:57, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: If Wikimedia projects and WMF leave to die 90% (or 80%, or 70%, or 60%) of current languages in the next 40 years (we will be alive to see it, probably), then both are failures. First thing would be a Wikisource or similar then. Just

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

2011-07-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 July 2011 10:55, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Is mentioned in a offiical policy on the Dutch Wikipedia here: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sokpopmisbruik The relevant paragraph appears to be http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sokpop#Ontsnappingsclausule The

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

2011-07-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 July 2011 11:50, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: Just to be clear: the alternative situation was, and would probably be, that people who currently can choose to use this clause, would simply be blocked forever without a way of getting unblocked. That's the approach

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

2011-07-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 July 2011 11:48, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:03 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blokkeringsmeldingen#Ontsnappingsclausule The Google translation for this one appears to quite definitely be trying

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

2011-07-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 July 2011 21:28, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: Well I don't know about your EU but in ours we have a method called collecting private data by agreement for a given purpose and it is completely legal. If I say to you that you have to provide this and that private data if you want

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

2011-07-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 July 2011 11:02, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: The WMF is not responsible for private mails you send to anyone. The only people who officialy can receive a copy of any ID you may have are Philippe http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Philippe_%28WMF%29,

Re: [Foundation-l] largest free content website

2011-07-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 July 2011 09:20, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, and I'm sure Wikipedia also has lots of copyrighted and dubious content, as hard as we try... We're reaching the stage of arguing category membership. This suggests stepping back: John, what do you anticipate as the useful

Re: [Foundation-l] Black market science

2011-07-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 July 2011 20:58, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: We need a Wikijournal project, where scientists can do all the functions of a journal without any prior approval--  collectively form groups, review, and publish. Free content is going to capture science eventually-- scientists

Re: [Foundation-l] Black market science

2011-07-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 July 2011 21:29, Arlen Beiler arlen...@gmail.com wrote: Once it is published, can't it just go to Wikisource? Or would it have to be CC-By or something like that. If so, Wikisource would still be the best suited for that, we would just have to put it in a journal namespace or something

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-02 Thread David Gerard
On 1 July 2011 09:27, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 07/01/2011 09:15 AM, David Gerard wrote: Per HaeB's link, this is a perennial proposal. People like the idea, but in eighteen years - back as far

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-07-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 July 2011 07:58, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 06/30/2011 07:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: Further to your idea: people developing little specialist wikis along these lines, and said wikis being mergeable. This makes such wikis Some things I believe could be easily

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 10:55, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Morris, 30/06/2011 11:28: I'd have a problem if people started making overwrought comparison to Nazi book burnings too. Wow, a reductio ad reductionem ad Hitlerum argument. Trained professional philosophers can get

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 12:31, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: The further we can get away from the model of elementary schools and towards the model of the global universities, the better. +1 (This entire post is gold.) One *big* problem we have now is: Wikipedia has won. Wikipedia is the

[Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 17:00, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: [a git-like distributed wikisphere] It's not my idea,  I believe it's been independently suggested at least five different times that I know of.   But it's a HUGE step that would require a big, bold push from developers and thus

Re: [Foundation-l] No tail-lights. What do we do now? (was Call for referendum)

2011-06-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 June 2011 19:49, HaeB haebw...@gmail.com wrote: I have added your postings to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HaeB/Timeline_of_distributed_Wikipedia_proposals :-D Do you have an index of this sort of perennial proposal? Apart from, of course,

[Foundation-l] Black market science

2011-06-26 Thread David Gerard
http://chronicle.com/article/Academic-Publisher-Steps-Up/128031/ People are exchanging and selling access to the databases to get the damn science. This is why we need to keep pushing the free content and open access message. You cannot do science in a system with these effects. - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF Bitcoins

2011-06-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 June 2011 01:18, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: why.   It's not that we're 'novel currency enthusiasts', it's not that we're trying to undermine the US federal reserve or anything crazy or overtly political. I've looked at the forums. The above doesn't appear to hold. Random

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 June 2011 15:39, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Arcane legal arguments about what the law is falls outside the foundation's remit. We are not a lawyers benefit foundation. No the foundation has taken a very practical real world campaigning position which probably sounds great to a

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 June 2011 16:17, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: If you think the foundation's involvement will have no wider impact feel free to make that case. Considering that that's precisely the point - that if the US starts re-enclosing the public domain, it will use its influence to get other

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 June 2011 20:15, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to personally thank the WMF staff and board for having pursued this. Seconded. This is something important enough we need to stand up about it. Is there anything we can do, in practical terms, to support this?

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 June 2011 21:14, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Is this something the WMF will do more often in the future (or has done in the past) or is this an extreme exception due to its importance? I was talkiing to someone today, describing WMF as an 800lb gorilla that tries very

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 June 2011 10:50, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: I edit the WP in English, Portuguese, French, Afrikaans, German, Spanish ... This is happenning in all languages - it is not a WP-E issue. Categories work a bit like a hierarchy, a bit like tags. There's a perennial proposal[1]

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 June 2011 15:13, Mono mium monom...@gmail.com wrote: Supposedly the Bitcoins system was just hacked. The biggest Bitcoin exchange was apparently hacked, both machines and socially. This is the part of the system that is not immaculately cryptographically sound, i.e. the humans. - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 June 2011 17:52, robert_horn...@netzero.net robert_horn...@netzero.net wrote:  I'd be far more worried about the stability of currencies like the U.S. Dollar and the Euro as their basis in reality is even shakier than Bitcoins, yet the collapse of either or both currencies could

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-20 Thread David Gerard
WIk On 20 June 2011 15:29, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: *: Yes, in principle. But two special criteria would need to be met: the language should be a world language with many L2 users, and there must be a reliable, published specification of the controlled language to be used.

Re: [Foundation-l] content ownership in different projects

2011-06-19 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2011 16:08, Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest, when you release your work under cc-by-sa you grant a third party the right to reuse a (small or large) part of your work to make a derivative work. The license in itself is not what determines that the live

Re: [Foundation-l] content ownership in different projects

2011-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2011 12:29, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: That could be a good use case for a project like Knol, which was advertised as Wikipedia killer once, but didn't grow much. Minor note: as far as I know, *no-one* from Knol/Google ever claimed it had anything to do

Re: [Foundation-l] Election results?

2011-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2011 16:19, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the board will recruit, formally or informally, the top n runners-up to help provide the usual new bloodish infusion that a normal election result provides.    The global community wants to keep the keys in the current

Re: [Foundation-l] NPG still violating copyright

2011-06-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 June 2011 09:06, Scott MacDonald doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com wrote: Well, they appear to have re-written their blurb to make it far enough away from Wikipedia text to keep them safe. http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp07767/john-michael-wright What an effort, just to

Re: [Foundation-l] NPG still violating copyright

2011-06-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 June 2011 09:23, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks. I mean all they need to add is text taken from Wikipedia - it shouldn't be too hard. Hm, I'm afraid that is not sufficient. :-) It's CC-BY-SA. *Surely* the NPG should be able to figure out that by doing this,

Re: [Foundation-l] NPG still violating copyright

2011-06-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 June 2011 10:34, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I would rather see this as an opportunity for friendly dialogue to help improve our working relationship. Absolutely, a non-apocalyptic response is desirable. However, they're still being blitheringly stupid and obnoxious, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikis and the direction hardware is taking

2011-06-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 June 2011 00:27, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: You are third person to respond as if my email was about me personally looking for help editing. And the second to snip my writing out of all context.  Steven seemed to actually get what my concern was.  You can hate whatever you like,

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 June 2011 21:05, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: This doesn't have to be complicated. How about 3 strikes, you're out? Get banned from 3 projects and you automatically qualify for a global ban. There's no sense in wasting hundreds of manhours trying to coordinate information

Re: [Foundation-l] Blocking of Wikipedia Pages

2011-06-04 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2011 23:58, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: My local IT got back to me today and agreed to unblock all of Wikipedia for all 25,000 computers they manage. A bit of success for increasing access. IMO Wikimedia needs to stay on top of these issues. I have emailed Websense who

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 June 2011 15:42, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I think it's a fairly dangerous precedent to have the Wikimedia Foundation involved in making individual decisions about who can and can't edit. They certainly can determine who can and can't use the servers they are custodians of. I

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] YouTube and Creative Commons

2011-06-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 June 2011 17:47, Michael Dale md...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: There's been some ongoing work on TimedMediaHandler extension which will replace the older OggHandler Yes, been hammering away on associated bugs. People can help

Re: [Foundation-l] About the low-hanging fruit

2011-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2011 14:54, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: For the usability, last time I checked the usability wiki was dead as well as the Wikiproject Usability on en.wp. If someone can show me what would be an appropriate place to list my issues (meaning there is somebody there who

Re: [Foundation-l] YouTube and Creative Commons

2011-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2011 15:45, Tanvir Rahman wikitan...@gmail.com wrote: We have uploaded images from Flickr, and Commons supports image formates like, jpg, png, svg, and others, but for videos it supports only ogv formate. So, I think most of the YouTube videos need to be converted to ogv (from mpeg

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2011 16:40, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: In view of the entire history of this matter, not all of which should necessarily be discussed publicly, Poetlister should not be editing under any account name on any project.  The fact that as recently as a couple of months ago

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2011 17:21, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: Poetlister is the level of case where project autonomy is an actively bad idea. e.g. en.wikiquote deciding to demonstrate their independence of en:wp by letting him onto the Checkuser list. Nice one. Not to digress, but in

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2011 21:09, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/3 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: I suspect there is more than a little of that in current local wiki defiance of global bans. And it's really, really not a good idea. Please argument that position David. Has this person abused

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2011 21:25, Scott MacDonald doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com wrote: I'm now actually wondering whether there is a structural problem in getting lunatics like poetlister banned, or whether it is just the case that one community (wikiversity) is seriously messed up. Note that we had pretty

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2011 22:01, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Oh?  You knew who he was and didn't inform anyone? Yes, and we were telling the arbs on the functionaries list. Don't rewrite history. You seem stressed. Assume good faith! - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 June 2011 22:23, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: no, just confused.  how were you telling the arbs on a mailing list that didn't exist at the time Cato was checkuser. Ah, that would indeed have been the arbcom list at the time, yes. I note you weren't an arbitrator at the time,

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 June 2011 13:24, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: There should be no explicit statement because the WMF holds it self-evident to preserve. The bigger problem might be the project scope. I don't know what kind of images your academic partners wishes to upload. There's also

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 June 2011 15:19, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I think what needs to happen is to explore ways to cooperate using each institutions relative assets. That might include, for example, endowing Commons with assets sufficient to support long term archival services as well as a

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 June 2011 18:48, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: In 2016 San Francisco has a major earthquake and the servers and operational facilities for the WMF are damaged beyond repair. The emergency hot switchover to Hong Kong is delayed due to an ongoing DoS attack from Eastern European countries.

Re: [Foundation-l] The Wikipedia-Ready Essay

2011-06-01 Thread David Gerard
of the world... Speaking of which, David Gerard has just posted this to wikiEN-l. :) http://xkcd.com/906/ Ta bu shi da yu is still slightly chagrined that the (likely) one thing he has created that will resonate through culture is [citation needed]. - d

Re: [Foundation-l] Opinion of the Grinch

2011-06-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 June 2011 14:07, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Today we hear of a new way to exploit the unpaid Wikipedian: lazy college professors can use the crowdsourced encyclo-custodians to mark their students' work, again without any guarantee that they will do so properly or

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-06-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 June 2011 21:35, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Forgive me if I find these resolutions rather toothless; this is another in a string of board resolutions that simply urge the projects. I'd love to understand what the Board thinks such resolutions will accomplish. It says very

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-06-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 June 2011 23:03, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I expect and hope that the WMF board is a little more honest and straightforward than that would suggest. The resolution could be read as CYA - an intentionally deflective statement with no concrete impact. I think that opening line is

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 May 2011 23:03, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Writing to someone involved with the issue personally is always more complicated, especially if they're - justifiably - angry or worried about the situation. The problems are often quite complex, so can sit longer while people

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2011 14:39, Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any project which allows usernames such as Administrator, Bureaucrat, Oversight or Steward? Isn't that confused and probably not allowed? Or which project allows a user name for more than one person? en:wp has

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 May 2011 19:21, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I think any user who uses Twitter to publish information in the U.K. may potentially be liable. The jurisdictional issues impact the users. Suing Twitter is unlikely to go very far. It is *possible* they may be able to do

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 May 2011 22:22, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Twitter are planning to open a London office: http://www.brandrepublic.com/bulletin/digitalambulletin/article/1066031/twitter-open-uk-office-serve-commercial-needs/ This should be... interesting. Over the last several years, the UK

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation vs. charity

2011-04-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 April 2011 20:22, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: It appears that nobody appears to actually follow this rule (including the New York Times), but I find the nuance interesting. I imagine one would perform better than the other during fundraising; perhaps there's hard data on that.

Re: [Foundation-l] Turn the things the other way around Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution

2011-04-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 April 2011 07:45, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: They have copied articles from Chinese Wikipedia and translated articles from English and Japanese Wikipedia so in my opinion their work is a derivative one This is true. and according to the CCSA terms it is also CCSA no mater

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 85, Issue 52

2011-04-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 April 2011 23:30, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: So I see the things this way You asked if it was a good idea and your understanding was correct. So far no-one's agreed your understanding is correct and no-one's agreed your plan of action is a good idea. You appear to insist on doing

Re: [Foundation-l] Better user experience and retention through e-mail notifications

2011-04-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 April 2011 07:55, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: There's been a lot of talk about getting new editors and keeping them. I would think something like working e-mail notifications would be a high priority. There are plenty of features and enhancements that could improve the user

[Foundation-l] HOWTO turn your scholarly journal into an open access journal

2011-04-19 Thread David Gerard
This is not directly relevant to WMF projects, but it's of great importance in helping the free content world along. http://www.boingboing.net/2011/04/13/howto-turn-your-scho.html http://repository.alt.ac.uk/887/ Is there anything we can do to push this along?e.g. Would a blog post be apposite?

Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolution: Openness

2011-04-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 April 2011 19:46, Quim Gil quim@nokia.com wrote: In fact Wikimedia content is also popular among mobile users (directly or through apps), but what about mobile contributions? I just tried editing an article on en:wp on my shiny new BlackBerry 9300. (Which can browse Wikipedia just

Re: [Foundation-l] How many articles have you created?

2011-04-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 April 2011 13:14, David Moran fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com wrote: That being said, I think explicit drives and events that encourage non-creation and article cleanup are great ideas.  How is the community at large to know about our backlog if we don't try to communicate it to them? Site

Re: [Foundation-l] How many articles have you created?

2011-04-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 April 2011 22:56, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: At one point there were anon tips above the tabs in Monobook. These were text-only snippets that appeared only for logged-out users. For example one snippet was, Have questions? [[Wikipedia:Questions|Find out how to ask questions and

Re: [Foundation-l] WikiGuide on Wikisource

2011-04-07 Thread David Gerard
On 6 April 2011 19:50, Lennart Guldbrandsson wikihanni...@gmail.com wrote: In the future, please remember to put any of these on the Bookshelf at http://bookshelf.wikimedia.org. Right now, I am reorganizing it a bit, but it should be looking better in a week or so. So I see. Do the obvious

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation too passive, wasting community talent

2011-04-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 April 2011 03:02, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: A lot of the projects that Wikimedia is investing in today are small and focused on particular needs of the Wikimedia Foundation, not the Wikimedia community. One example might be an article feedback tool that's largely focused on

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation too passive, wasting community talent

2011-04-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 April 2011 03:02, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Another example might be an UploadWizard that is focused on ensuring that Wikimedia fulfills its Multimedia grant requirements rather than actually being fully developed and ready for use by Wikimedia Commons. These examples are off

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation too passive, wasting community talent

2011-04-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 April 2011 09:48, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/4/5 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com Article rating has been a wanted feature for *years*. ... And in the Hungarian Wikipedia it was even implemented quite a long time ago. If i recall correctly, at some point i

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation too passive, wasting community talent

2011-04-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 April 2011 22:20, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 April 2011 09:40, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Article rating has been a wanted feature for *years*. What I'd like to see is article rating being more widespread. But having a grant push it through is *just fine*, because

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2011 16:20, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I understand that WMF's resources are limited, but the development and the deployment of Vector did cost some money and also forced a lot of volunteers in English and in all other language projects to make adjustments

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2011 16:33, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Thread title? Focus on sister projects. Lots of the archive page as of today: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-April/ - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2011 17:20, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not seeing discussion of chronically broken code there. Just discussion of redundant code (due to 1.17) and cleanup. Any chance of a pointer to something that sums up the chronically broken nature of site script? e.g.

[Foundation-l] Fwd: A lack of newbies that stick

2011-04-03 Thread David Gerard
Post from elsewhere, forwarded with author's permission. From: Daniel and Elizabeth Case danc...@frontiernet.net Date: 3 April 2011 14:44 [quote snipped] Just a little contrarianism on this ... Should we be worried about the trendline in newer editors (and more on this below) or the

Re: [Foundation-l] Vector, a year after

2011-04-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 April 2011 15:46, Hydriz Wikipedia ad...@wikisorg.tk wrote: Well, I am very sure I joined Wikimedia due to the change in skin and liked the new skin as compared to Monobook. I've been using it on our work intranet for new wikis. It's gained unsolicited positive comment. Vector looks

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 March 2011 10:50, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Stovepiping is already a problem. Breaking up the project in this way would make a science of it, creating a plethora of petty tyrannies in the style of Wiktionary and Wikipedia Commons but even less responsive. Some

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 March 2011 12:51, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: Currently such pages tend to be locked to all but admins. That doesn't work either - people just keep on their fighting on the talk page until someone gives up, after which the page is unlocked and their opponent can declare

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 March 2011 12:53, Dror Kamir dqa...@bezeqint.net wrote: As a first step, I think it would be useful to appoint an ombudsman to Wikipedia, either one to all of them or to each one. We can start with the English Wikipedia. This ombudsman will be identified by her/his real name and receive

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 March 2011 13:34, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 07:18, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem I've found is that aggrieved BLP subjects don't understand that they can actually email i...@wikimedia.org and have someone seriously look

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 March 2011 13:46, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: Having a single person would not work, as people would assume that a single person may have their own personal biases affecting their judgment. An elected committee might work, and I do think we should look at empowering such a

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 March 2011 15:01, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: David, I strongly object to your continued twisting of my words, The link to your precise words is there. It's what you actually said. Or are you claiming those links are not to your words? - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 March 2011 15:21, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: But for the second time now, you are derailing a discussion on one topic (in this case, whether there is a benefit in breaking up large projects, and in the prior case, how to attract and retain female editors) so that you can focus on

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 March 2011 19:29, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Andrew. I think I'll add that second email address to the policy. In fact, if i...@wikipedia.org doesn't exist then it should be created to point to i...@wikimedia.org - so that it can be communicated verbally with

Re: [Foundation-l] Deindividuation and Wikipedia.

2011-03-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 March 2011 22:59, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Deindividuation pervades virtual worlds, and the results are mixed. Download “Second Life” and take a stroll. Sooner or later you’ll end up in a sex dungeon. Play any game on Xbox Live, and someone will eventually claim to have

Re: [Foundation-l] Editor Survey, 2011

2011-03-10 Thread David Gerard
On 11 March 2011 06:32, Pronoein prono...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Keegan. I think this list is not about siding and throwing moqueries at each other. We should respect what each one believes. To have an opinion respected,it helps if that opinion is not both (a) snide and (b) provably,

Re: [Foundation-l] Access to academic journals (was Re: Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser)

2011-03-09 Thread David Gerard
On 8 March 2011 21:50, Melissa Hagemann mhagem...@sorosny.org wrote: It would be wonderful if we could find a way for the WMF and OA communities to more closely collaborate. Aubrey is right in that to a large extent, OA is not well known outside the library community. Big time. They're a

Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list

2011-03-09 Thread David Gerard
On 8 March 2011 23:03, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Because of that genetically inherited disability, humans tend to learn one language common for the cultural context in which they live, which is called lingua franca. With some pauses, from ~100BC to 1900 it was Latin in Western

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 March 2011 23:02, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote: Until recently, the foundation has been increasing its staff by hiring the best person immediately available, rather than a person good enough to do the necessary job. Citation needed. 1. keep the job unfilled , and search

Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list

2011-03-09 Thread David Gerard
2011/3/9 Alison M. Wheeler wikime...@alisonwheeler.com: - David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Karibu foundation-l. Lugha rasmi hapa ni Kiswahili na Kiingereza. Nini ni lugha ya si Kiklingoni? Ingekuwa kwamba kuwa sawa na haki kwa wote. Au Kiesperanto labda? Hovercraft yangu ni

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 March 2011 17:02, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew Garrett writes: We might be growing, but I don't think anybody in the industry would hesitate to say that we're still small and running on a shoestring budget. The websites that we compete with run budgets in the hundreds of

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 March 2011 17:19, church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't know if you're directing this at me, but if you are, I seriously would be interested why you think that I'm trolling or assuming bad faith. I'm not, several others in this group of threads are. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 March 2011 17:29, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Juergen Fenn juergen.f...@gmx.de wrote: this time it was not possible to switch the banners off, even you were logged in as a user. It's disturbing to hear you say that:  every banner run

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 March 2011 18:19, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps there is something I don't understand. It seems strange to me that having 24M$ of current assets we don't have any financial income but 0,5M$ bank fees. AIUI, it was long a goal for the foundation *not* to be living hand to

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-06 Thread David Gerard
On 6 March 2011 04:03, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:30 PM, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: The attraction of Wikipedia -- to editors, readers, and donors -- was that it was run on a shoestring by a bunch of volunteers, for the benefit of other people.

Re: [Foundation-l] Raising funds without being quite so annoying to readers

2011-03-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 March 2011 14:19, Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote: And also, WMF should make it possible to accept continuing donations as a subscription on a monthly basis. Even better, they should do this already! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Monthly_donations/en (a link from

Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

2011-03-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 March 2011 21:15, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Defined by what the Foundation wants to accomplish? I think you've highlighted the problem pretty well, right there. Then please answer my question, and give your plan, working backward from the mission statement to the necessary

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