Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
themouse wrote: Hello, I have the internet card and the drivers. So now what. I looked up all I could and there are alot of sites some the link works some they don't. I'm not really sure what needs to be done. thanks, Adam -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user For me worked the following: 1) Run the file crynwr.bat inside the directory FDOS 2)As suggested by Eric Auer configure the file WATTCP.cfg file as follows: my_ip = dhcp netmask = 255.255.255.0 gateway = 0.0.0.0 domain_list = your.domain.com # domain, gateway, ip, nameserver will be set via DHCP -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Networking-tp22775948p22777984.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
1) Run the file crynwr.bat inside the directory FDOS If you've already installed the network driver in autoexec.bat, just skip that. 2)As suggested by Eric Auer configure the file WATTCP.cfg file as follows: my_ip = dhcp netmask = 255.255.255.0 gateway = 0.0.0.0 domain_list = your.domain.com # domain, gateway, ip, nameserver will be set via DHCP After creating WATTCP.cfg, set WATTCP.CFG=\path\to\file to point to it (in autoexec.bat) -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
Hi Adam, If I understood correctly, you are using a Lifebook 770tx with PCMCIA-Slot. So which card did you buy? Which PCMCIA software do you use to enable the card? And what kind of network do you want to use? Surf the web and email with arachne, connect to ftp and ssh servers, set up your own ftp-server? Then you need to get TCP/IP networking up and running. Or do you want just to share files with some Windows PCs in your workgroup? Then you may like to give Microsofts MSClient a closer look. Maybe you want to do both? So for instance: I use the D-Link DFE-670TXD Fast Ethernet PCMCIA Card, which comes with a packet driver for TCP/IP networking in DOS. I use SystemSofts CardSoft Software for enabling PCMCIA. This was included with my laptop once. It can be received f.i. at driverguide http://www2.driverguide.com/uploads/uploads9/26188.html (You need to register and avoid the many ads in the process, sorry. Maybe you find better sources) So in fdconfig.sys I start socket services: DEVICEHIGH=C:\NETWORK\PCMCIA\SSVLSI.EXE I start card services: DEVICEHIGH=C:\NETWORK\PCMCIA\CS.EXE I let the driver allocate memory, IO port and IRQ (modifications can be done in csalloc.ini): DEVICEHIGH=C:\\NETWORK\PCMCIA\CSALLOC.EXE In AUTOEXEC.BAT I load the packet driver that came with the above PCMCIA card: LH C:\\NETWORK\PCMCIA\DFE670\DFE670PD.COM 0x60 5 0x300 If you don't have a packet driver for your card, you need other drivers that can be made to behave as packet drivers. This means you need a NDIS or an ODI driver. ODI drivers are typically located at a directory called netware, nwclient, ODI or VLM on your PCMCIA drivers disk. NDIS drivers are located f.i. in a directory called NDIS2 and have the ending *.DOS. If the driver is loaded, I have to configure my network settings. This is done either in each network application itself or in a file called WATTCP.CFG which should be in your path and is used by the many network apps that have the free WATTCP kernel built in for networking. For more detailled information about TCP/IP networking in DOS look up http://lazybrowndog.net/freedos and go to chapter 3. Practical Guide: Adding TCP/IP to DOS. Best wishes Uli usul schrieb: Hello, I have the internet card and the drivers. So now what. I looked up all I could and there are alot of sites some the link works some they don't. I'm not really sure what needs to be done. thanks, Adam -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?
Blair Campbell schrieb: Also according to http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Compatibility it also seams doslfn is not the answer and needs bugchecking by a third developer. Even kernel support would have some of those issues, it seems only not very fast and risk to crosslink files or trash the filesystem (ask A.P.) (I have never experienced this) apply. Overall I would recommend doslfn if you want to use long filenames. Kernel support would be nice, but for the most part I think only speed would improve. Compatibility issues with Windows and such would remain even if lfn support was in the kernel. Yes, by putting it into the kernel the compatibility issues go not away instantly. LFN for FAT and for NTFS are working stable in Linux. Could a FreeDOS developer grab this free knowledge from Linux and improve DOSLFN this way? To stay maximum compatible the LFN code could be disabled in config.sys with LFN=0/1. -mr -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Microsoft employee recommends FreeDOS, ctmouse, shsucdx
FreeDOS - http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2005/02/02/365232.aspx ctmouse, shsucdx - http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2004/10/21/246136.aspx -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos and vmware problem - wattcp.cfg
Ftp? -Original Message- From: cleanzero [mailto:liquidt...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:25 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos and vmware problem - wattcp.cfg ... Wow. It was easier than I thought and now I have a network running on freedos. I can even connect to the web through arachne. SSH is working on the mac, and I can access Mac OS from freedos using ssh, but, I know this sounds stupid, but how do I move files from the mac to freedos ? D -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] aimed compatibility?
Originally it was 3.3 because that was a version which worked with most apps and still relatively simple. Later we got UMB and HMA which are very useful so we aimed for 5.0 kernel compatibility. Remember that 5.0 and 6.22 basically have the same kernel. Now we also have LBA and FAT32, but I do not think that we want to be very Just a bit compatible? MS Win98 DOS 7 compatible as this DOS was not even meant to run DOS apps anyway. It was. As Microsoft had shown with MS-DOS 8 they were able to (and did) disable the DOS mode of Windows 4.x later. So MS-DOS 7 (both versions) were meant to run DOS software. Why does this question matter, anyway? Late DOS apps were written with FAT32 and/or LFN support aimed exactly at MS-DOS 7. The authors probably didn't care whether this MS-DOS was intended to be DOS. It worked well being exactly this. So if you ask me: Our current goal is compatibility with MS DOS 5 / 6 kernel in the general case and a nice collection of apps similar to MS DOS 6... Plus support for new hardware in ways which may (FAT32, LBA) but do not need to be compatible to Win DOS 7. Might be coincidence that the DPB layout of MS-DOS 7 and FAT32 DOS-C is the same. Or that the same new, complicated FAT32 Int21 functions are supported. Or that DOSLFN services exactly the LFN functions used by MS-DOS 7 COMMAND.COM versions. Regards, Christian -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?
It is strongly recommended that you use MS-DOS version 7.0 (the version of MS-DOS that ships with Windows 95/98), since it is the only version that will allow you to use long filenames with your NTFS drives. Using earlier versions of MS-DOS restrict you to using file names in 8.3 format. Only because NTFSDOS doesn't (didn't) translate NTFS original LFNs (that were stored without SFNs) to accessible SFNs. Refer to how DOSLFN does this for CDFS filenames that are too long, so it is indeed possible. (Might be more difficult with NTFSDOS Professional's R/W access though.) and Many people believe that MS-DOS doesn’t support long file names at all, but that isn’t the case. It is the MS-DOS FAT file system driver that lacks support, rather than MS-DOS itself. If you prefer to refer to the kernel as the MS-DOS FAT file system driver only, that's true. (So that MS-DOS itself here means all other programs.) Else it isn't true, because the kernel doesn't contain any LFN support at all, and it is in fact made up of more than a FAT driver. Regarding this you have to remember the redirector interface, too. When used with a file system that supports long file names MS-DOS handles them fine, The kernel doesn't care. as do MS-DOS applications that are written to take advantage of the support. What they tell you is that NTFSDOS horribly hacks into Int21 to provide the LFN services on it's own. Because the redirector interface (which is else used by NTFSDOS) was never updated to provide LFN services. It must be a horrible hack because the redirector was designed so that the driver (here NTFSDOS) doesn't have to hack into Int21 and provide any direct Int21 services by itself. Author was Mark Russinovich / Bryce Cogswell so I believe the statement was correct. They were supposedly Windows experts, weren't they? What about FreeDOS kernel and LFN? Wouldn't it make sense also to add LFN to the FreeDOS kernel? If someone has enough time for this.. Also according to http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Compatibility it also seams doslfn is not the answer and needs bugchecking by a third developer. Someone able to do this? For sure, if LFN goes into the FreeDOS kernel it would make much sense to add also LFN support to the FAT driver. Is this already the case? For sure, if LFN services would be added to Int21 only but not the filesystem driver(s) it would be a complete waste of effort. DOS-C's FAT driver is probably LFN-aware (shows correct volume label even with LFNs etc.) but doesn't contain more support. [There's however this LFN helper API but I don't know what it's supposed to do and there's no documentation.] Regards, Christian -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?
Christian Masloch schrieb: LFN for FAT and for NTFS are working stable in Linux. Could a FreeDOS developer grab this free knowledge from Linux and improve DOSLFN this way? FAT and FAT32 are already supported by DOSLFN, even some CD-ROM filesystems are. NTFS is not supported by any free DOS driver, so you can't extend DOSLFN to support it. I did mean more, the knowledge to get a stable FAT32 LFN read/write support could be extracted from the Linux FAT32 LFN knowledge as theirs is stable since years. While bugfixing the compatibility issues with DOSLFN it could be used as reference. -mr -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft employee recommends FreeDOS, ctmouse, shsucdx
2009/3/30 Michael Reichenbach michael_reichenb...@freenet.de: FreeDOS - http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2005/02/02/365232.aspx ctmouse, shsucdx - http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2004/10/21/246136.aspx While these blog posts are a bit old (2004/2005) it is cool to see someone at Microsoft recognizing (and recommending) FreeDOS. Thanks for sending! :-) -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos and vmware problem - wattcp.cfg
David C. Kerber wrote: Ftp? -Original Message- From: cleanzero [mailto:liquidt...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:25 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos and vmware problem - wattcp.cfg ... Wow. It was easier than I thought and now I have a network running on freedos. I can even connect to the web through arachne. SSH is working on the mac, and I can access Mac OS from freedos using ssh, but, I know this sounds stupid, but how do I move files from the mac to freedos ? D -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ftp works through SFTPDOS.EXE but I can not get a whole directory. As for SCP2DOS.EXE the problem I reported seems to be known becuase on http://dankohn.info/projects/Dos_Networking.htm there's the note This program has not been used successfully many times. Most times I get a Protocol error: Expected control record -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/freedos-and-vmware-problem-tp22748883p22786886.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FASM and DPMI
I was trying to using the flat assembler FASM on freedos, but it complains about missing DPMI services ? Is it possible in some way to use it ? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FASM-and-DPMI-tp22787995p22787995.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FASM and DPMI
cleanzero schrieb: I was trying to using the flat assembler FASM on freedos, but it complains about missing DPMI services ? Is it possible in some way to use it ? http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.DPMI example: hdpmi32 -r -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
Uli, I bought ORiNOCO Classic Gold PC Card. http://www.orinocowireless.com/products/wifi/client/goldpccard/index.html I know wireless is a risk but I checked in the documentation it had dos and linux drivers :) and I downloaded the ISO with all of that on it. the iso has several directories \driver \ODI \packet Just not sure how to set it up. I want to, ftp, telnet, browse the web with arachne, SVN when I port the commandline client. etc. Copy files from my windows network at home would be nice, but that would take secondary to the ftp and telnet. Are there any telnet and programs for freedos? I am assuming that wget is the ftp. Oh and I would probably want to be able to read and post to newsgroups and this mailing list. But I can do that from another pc that i usually have next to me. but it would be nice to have a complete evironment. lots of stuff in there and I am unsure of what is what. I have been spoiled by windows and linux LOL. I see alot of things on the web links for PPP etc. Things that sound familiar, but I no longer remember what they are. When I get home tonight after work I will try and comprehend all the help I got here and get it working. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Installation problems (fixed) Networking UP
Greetings all; I managed to remove LILO from my MBR by using xfdisk /MBR. Afterwards, I used FreeDOS setup to install the standard BootManager. Also, I installed a 3COM adapter and corresponding packet driver. Now, I'm able to browse the net with Arachne (Arachne comes with TCP/IP support). I suppose the next step is to setup networking in DOS and mess around with the WATTCP Tools. I'm still pretty green when it comes to programming in C. At the moment, I'm still learning ASM and plan on sticking to it. However, I'm a bit lost when it comes to finding something to do. I've been looking through some of the Intel processor documentation. So far, I'm interested in finding out more about my machine and the components inside it. Does anyone have some recommendations or guide lines for rummaging around and finding out what is going on inside those little chips on the motherboard? Thanks; Bray. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] aimed compatibility?
Originally it was 3.3
...
Later we got UMB
and HMA
which are very useful so
we aimed for 5.0 kernel compatibility. Remember
that 5.0 and 6.22 basically have the same kernel.
Just a bit compatible?
yes and no. and irrelevant.
the goal followed by the kernel programmers was
both
' make as many programs happy as possible. if we have to decide which
DOS version to follow, take the younger one. '
some (very few) internal ('undocumented') data structures changed
between 3.x and 5.x; we took 5.x format
and
' make as many programs happy as possible, given our
limited time/effort/motivation/whatever '
so Win3.1 was never implemented, as we were not interested in Win3.1
if YOU think LFN support in the kernel would be interesting, sit down
and make it. everybody else will have to use DOSLFN...
So if you ask me: Our current goal is compatibility
with MS DOS 5 / 6 kernel in the general case and a
nice collection of apps similar to MS DOS 6... Plus
support for new hardware in ways which may (FAT32,
LBA) but do not need to be compatible to Win DOS 7.
the next goal will be GPT compatibility for 2+ TB support.
Might be coincidence that the DPB layout of MS-DOS 7 and FAT32 DOS-C is
the same. Or that the same new, complicated FAT32 Int21 functions are
supported. Or that DOSLFN services exactly the LFN functions used by
MS-DOS 7 COMMAND.COM versions.
I would call that 'hard work', noy just 'coincidence' ;)
Tom
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Re: [Freedos-user] LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?
LFN for FAT and for NTFS are working stable in Linux. Could a FreeDOS developer grab this free knowledge from Linux and improve DOSLFN this way? very unlikely. Linux drivers are too different from DOS kernel or DOS TSR to be useful Tom -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] network drive
Hi all, after having my FreeDOS installation basically up and running, I'd like to ask what the preferred method to connect to a file server share is these days. I'm currently using MSCLIENT to connect to a samba share, but MSCLIENT is a memory hog and I'd prefer a better solution. Back in the days Novell netx was a blast, but my file server (FreeBSD) doesn't support IPX very well. Thanks for any hints. chris -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] MSCLIENT
Is MSCLIENT the only choice? Has anyone tried to create something open sourced for FreeDos? Like FDCLIENT? :) usul -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] network drive
This is an interesting topic... If you want you can setup a FTP server on DOS running as TSR in background. http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Servers msclient is nice to mount a remote server into a DOS device letter, unfortunately it's indeed a memory hog and there is no alternative implementation for ms networks. I haven't checked out novel netware but I think these days it will be also outdated, obsolete, memory hog and providing DOS device letter for the remote share? Also see http://www.dossolutions.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/network.htm I've found there an NFS implementation for DOS. Unfortunately I haven't come across any background network drive software not being a memory hog and using XMS/EMS/JLM instant. regards, -mr Christian Groessler schrieb: Hi all, after having my FreeDOS installation basically up and running, I'd like to ask what the preferred method to connect to a file server share is these days. I'm currently using MSCLIENT to connect to a samba share, but MSCLIENT is a memory hog and I'd prefer a better solution. Back in the days Novell netx was a blast, but my file server (FreeBSD) doesn't support IPX very well. Thanks for any hints. chris -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
usul schrieb: Uli, I bought ORiNOCO Classic Gold PC Card. http://www.orinocowireless.com/products/wifi/client/goldpccard/index.html I know wireless is a risk but I checked in the documentation it had dos and linux drivers :) and I downloaded the ISO with all of that on it. Well, wlan is nice but... Only 1 mbit and are you sure you can encrypt it with something secure like wpa or do you have a hotspot anyway? Note that many internal network cards in modern computers still have some compatible packet driver, just need to find it. the iso has several directories \driver \ODI \packet Just not sure how to set it up. I want to, ftp, telnet, browse the web with arachne, SVN when I port the commandline client. etc. This will be easy after the packet driver is working. For most simple things like arachne you just need the packet driver to work and dhcp at your router (mostly is default). Copy files from my windows network at home would be nice, but that would take secondary Then you need msclient, a memory hog. Dunno if novel netware is compatible but I rather think them implemented their own thing. to the ftp and telnet. Are there any telnet and programs for freedos? Someone else need to answer, there is sshdos. I am assuming that wget is the ftp. wget is for http(s) and ftp(s?) download Oh and I would probably want to be able to read and post to newsgroups and this mailing list. You can check http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Browsers and see what you like. But I can do that from another pc that i usually have next to me. but it would be nice to have a complete evironment. lots of stuff in there and I am unsure of what is what. I have been spoiled by windows and linux LOL. I see alot of things on the web links for PPP etc. Things that sound familiar, but I no longer remember what they are. ppp is for dial up. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
usul schrieb: But I can do that from another pc that i usually have next to me. but it would be nice to have a complete evironment. And I have forgotten to say... You are most likely much faster with browsing the web and mailing if you use a modern computer, modern multi tasking operating system and a modern browser / mail client. Sure it's a matter of taste, saying that on a DOS list is much leaning out of the window. I mostly boot to DOS and use Arachne for a quick research on the internet and if I think that booting Windows / Linux takes longer then the whole online session. Often I get bugged up by missing SSL support, slow speed and slow rendering and messed up websites so that I end up starting grub.exe, getting a coffee and booting Windows. Rather I would also say that you can develop way faster when using Linux / Windows most of the time and DOS in a emulator. Imho it's even more effective if you use a modern IDE. regards, -mr -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
If you're struggling to use Freedos to connect to the WWW, consider Damn Small Linux. It will fit on about anything that can run DOS, boots fairly quickly, and uses the capable Dillo browser. All this works on very modest hardware. You can then install Freedos into dosemu for a very nice dos environment to run your dos programs. --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Michael Reichenbach michael_reichenb...@freenet.de wrote: From: Michael Reichenbach michael_reichenb...@freenet.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Networking To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 2:02 PM usul schrieb: But I can do that from another pc that i usually have next to me. but it would be nice to have a complete evironment. And I have forgotten to say... You are most likely much faster with browsing the web and mailing if you use a modern computer, modern multi tasking operating system and a modern browser / mail client. Sure it's a matter of taste, saying that on a DOS list is much leaning out of the window. I mostly boot to DOS and use Arachne for a quick research on the internet and if I think that booting Windows / Linux takes longer then the whole online session. Often I get bugged up by missing SSL support, slow speed and slow rendering and messed up websites so that I end up starting grub.exe, getting a coffee and booting Windows. Rather I would also say that you can develop way faster when using Linux / Windows most of the time and DOS in a emulator. Imho it's even more effective if you use a modern IDE. regards, -mr -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
I am testing a few Linux OSes to see what works best. Tried Tiny, DLS-N, Puppy so far. :) Just a matter of seeing which one likes the linux driver the best. And looks better, I don't really like the look and feel of DSL. Trying a flux based puppy tonight :) But yeah I was thinking that I would cheat for some of the stuff for developing on FreeDos at first but later I would try and do everything I could inside. Adam -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] aimed compatibility?
the goal followed by the kernel programmers was
both
' make as many programs happy as possible. if we have to decide which
DOS version to follow, take the younger one. '
some (very few) internal ('undocumented') data structures changed
between 3.x and 5.x; we took 5.x format
Yes. I noted that in my first reply of this thread.
if YOU think LFN support in the kernel would be interesting, sit down
and make it. everybody else will have to use DOSLFN...
To whom in particular did you write this? I'm of your opinion, too.
I would call that 'hard work', noy just 'coincidence' ;)
Yes. Yes, it was work. Work to make FreeDOS compatible with MS-DOS 7
(Eric's so-called Win DOS). Contrary to Eric's statement it seems that
it needed to be compatible; or why else would you work for it?
EA:
Plus support for new hardware in ways which may (FAT32,
LBA) but do not need to be compatible to Win DOS 7.
Regards,
Christian
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Re: [Freedos-user] network drive
Hi, If you want you can setup a FTP server on DOS running as TSR in background. http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Servers ?? This is a completely different topic. msclient is nice to mount a remote server into a DOS device letter, unfortunately it's indeed a memory hog and there is no alternative implementation for ms networks. I don't insist on ms networks. I haven't checked out novel netware but I think these days it will be also outdated, obsolete, memory hog and providing DOS device letter for the remote share? outdated and obsolete? For sure. memory hog? I think it's acceptable. DOS device letter? Of course, that's what I want. Also see http://www.dossolutions.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/network.htm I've found there an NFS implementation for DOS. Do you mean TSoft's NFS client. It works quite well (I've used it previously on some other machine), but it's shareware and will cease working after an hour if you don't register. Spending $50 for a registration isn't that tingly, given that I'm using this installation just for fun and MSCLIENT basically works. Unfortunately I haven't come across any background network drive software not being a memory hog and using XMS/EMS/JLM instant. Maybe an idea for a project? :-) regards, chris -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
usul schrieb: But yeah I was thinking that I would cheat for some of the stuff for developing on FreeDos at first but later I would try and do everything I could inside. Cheat? Which kind of? Because you are not doing everything on pure DOS this makes your development more worse? That's s strange mind. -mr -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] network drive
Christian Groessler schrieb: Hi, If you want you can setup a FTP server on DOS running as TSR in background. http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Servers ?? This is a completely different topic. No, since you asked for connecting to file server share in a modern way. Perhaps I have misunderstood. Unfortunately I haven't come across any background network drive software not being a memory hog and using XMS/EMS/JLM instant. Maybe an idea for a project? :-) Has been discussed here and it always ends with use msclient which is a bit like an operation success, patent dead solution. Unfortunately no one is up for such a project. -mr -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
mr, Because you are not doing everything on pure DOS this makes your development more worse? That's s strange mind. :) I'm strange I admit that but thats not whyI think it would be cheating, you are coming from the wrong angle. If I am immersed in the environment, then its better because the things that don't work or become cumbersome get identified and fix, worked around improved. :) Cheating was a bad choice of words and prob an even worse attempt at humor. usul -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] network drive
if someone were to write something that encompassed all the operation success, patent dead networking where would one start? What is the linux equivelent samba? On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Michael Reichenbach michael_reichenb...@freenet.de wrote: Christian Groessler schrieb: Hi, If you want you can setup a FTP server on DOS running as TSR in background. http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Servers ?? This is a completely different topic. No, since you asked for connecting to file server share in a modern way. Perhaps I have misunderstood. Unfortunately I haven't come across any background network drive software not being a memory hog and using XMS/EMS/JLM instant. Maybe an idea for a project? :-) Has been discussed here and it always ends with use msclient which is a bit like an operation success, patent dead solution. Unfortunately no one is up for such a project. -mr -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] network drive
Christian Groessler wrote: Unfortunately I haven't come across any background network drive software not being a memory hog and using XMS/EMS/JLM instant. Maybe an idea for a project? :-) This is not a new idea, but so far nobody took that task, because it will be hard work. Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote: LFN for FAT and for NTFS are working stable in Linux. Could a FreeDOS developer grab this free knowledge from Linux and improve DOSLFN this way? very unlikely. Linux drivers are too different from DOS kernel or DOS TSR to be useful Tom -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user What about bringing the FUSE interface to DOS? Would it be possible to port libfuse and then write a system driver to support FUSE drivers? -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
usul schrieb: I want to, ftp, telnet, browse the web with arachne, SVN when I port the commandline client. etc. A ftp-server for DOS that works reliable for me is ftpsrv32.exe from the wattcp32 package available at: http://www.filegate.net/utiln/utilnet/wt32apps.zip Its not secure at all (anonymous login only) but thats OK for exchanging files with other machines in the LAN. I access the server with filezilla in XP. In the filezilla settings I have to set the login to anonymous, server type is default (autodetect) and the possible connections at the same time are limited to 1. The zip above contains a lot of other useful programs like tftp and a smtpsrv. There are more apps available, f.i. here: http://jumpjet.info/DOS_Lives/03/Network.htm Uli -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
Ok, now I got your point and must agree. :) -mr usul schrieb: mr, Because you are not doing everything on pure DOS this makes your development more worse? That's s strange mind. :) I'm strange I admit that but thats not whyI think it would be cheating, you are coming from the wrong angle. If I am immersed in the environment, then its better because the things that don't work or become cumbersome get identified and fix, worked around improved. :) Cheating was a bad choice of words and prob an even worse attempt at humor. usul -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] network drive
Well, msnetworks and samba wouldn't be bad as it's now compatible and widespread. Just msclient needs improvement. On the other hand the msnetworks protocol could be updated in the future and seeing updates for dos software is unlikely. Any other cross platform networking? Maybe simple connect to an SFTP server and mount it as share while using mostly XMS or JLM? -mr usul schrieb: if someone were to write something that encompassed all the operation success, patent dead networking where would one start? What is the linux equivelent samba? On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Michael Reichenbach michael_reichenb...@freenet.de wrote: Christian Groessler schrieb: Hi, If you want you can setup a FTP server on DOS running as TSR in background. http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Servers ?? This is a completely different topic. No, since you asked for connecting to file server share in a modern way. Perhaps I have misunderstood. Unfortunately I haven't come across any background network drive software not being a memory hog and using XMS/EMS/JLM instant. Maybe an idea for a project? :-) Has been discussed here and it always ends with use msclient which is a bit like an operation success, patent dead solution. Unfortunately no one is up for such a project. -mr -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] network drive
Christian Groessler schrieb: Hmm, talking to a SMB server probably is quite involved (I've tried to debug some samba problems in the past and the probably in the last sentence is wrong). But how about a new, simple, protocol to transfer directory information and files between hosts? Nothing fancy. Might be doable withing a few weeks. Like I suggested an SFTP client using XMS or JLM. SFTP is free, secure and wildly supported across all operating systems already. Is there some information about how to write network redirectors for FreeDOS? If no one answers wait a while and create a new thread with this topic or ask at other places. Would be bad to stop you form being productive. -mr -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
Ulrich Hansen schrieb: A ftp-server for DOS that works reliable for me is ftpsrv32.exe from I forgot to mention Datalight Sockets again, which is a FTP server that runs as TSR in DOS. See the mail at: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Servers And by the way: Michael Kostylevs port of GNU/Linux smbclient can be found here: http://www.glennmcc.org/download/mik/ It accesses shares at Windows and Linux machines from the command line with: smbclnt.exe \\server\share -U Username Password Uli -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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