Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Seconded. If a resource is available it ought to be availed of. Its upto the copyright holder to protect his work (and royalty stream). I'm trying to put together a Pirate Party in India for this. Sarbajit On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Stephen Guerin stephen.gue...@redfish.comwrote:

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Gary Schiltz
In keeping with warez, you could have Journalz, Paperz, Resultz, Rezearch :-) On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Sarbajit Roy sroy...@gmail.com wrote: Seconded. If a resource is available it ought to be availed of. Its upto the copyright holder to protect his work (and royalty stream). I'm

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread glen
Well, my point wasn't really related to the price. It's more about cost:benefit, or perhaps low hanging fruit. The cops tell us to lock our doors, not because locks keep out serious criminals, but because it puts a tiny hurdle in front of the lazy opportunist criminals. Seeing the bootlegs so

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
I think this is a serious and yet sticky issue. Most of us expect to get paid for our work yet we want access to others' work for free. Many us have (or have had in the past) institutions who provide such access as a perq or means to do OUR work. Among us there are many retirees and a

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Ah... the Commons! The Little Red Hen story is about a generous creature who tries to help create or enrich the Commons and ultimately must retreat to a selfish position because noone else will participate. Who here is as excited about contributing to or grooming the quality and value of

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread glen
Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 04/18/2013 12:33 PM: I'd need to fill out paperwork to distribute it. Ugh. I do not envy you from that perspective. It's a 3D model of enzymatic degradation of cellulose. [...] Thus the hybrid approach. Hm. That sounds useful for my rhetoric. Is it published or

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
It's okay Glen, those results are high in the search because they're useful to people who search. The publisher is using the police powers of our government to enforce its monopoly on the book, but has chosen to limit its marketing efforts to the richest people in the world and told the rest to

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
Ah, the local bookstore. I was in KMart yesterday to pick up a prescription, so I wandered the book/magazine aisle for a few minutes. A pretty humbling few minutes it was. -- rec -- On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Ah... the Commons! The Little Red Hen

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 4/19/13 9:56 AM, glen wrote: Hm. That sounds useful for my rhetoric. Is it published or at least described anywhere? I can't find it on the SC11 site. I have to open source some other code, so I'll throw that one on the list too. It was an exhibit, not part of the technical program. Ok,

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Roger - It's okay Glen, those results are high in the search because they're useful to people who search. The publisher is using the police powers of our government to enforce its monopoly on the book, but has chosen to limit its marketing efforts to the richest people in the world and told

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus - Hm. That sounds useful for my rhetoric. Is it published or at least described anywhere? I can't find it on the SC11 site. I have to open source some other code, so I'll throw that one on the list too. It was an exhibit, not part of the technical program. Back in my day, we had to

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 4/19/13 11:11 AM, Steve Smith wrote: Back in my day, we had to LA-UR the posters that went along with the presentations at SC... do you have at least *that* level of description released? I know that is usually just enough info to get the saliva flowing, but sometimes those posters have

[FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Russ Abbott
Yesterday I asked this questionhttp://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/61542/how-do-forces-work?noredirect=1#comment123788_61542on StackExchange: physics. Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For example, two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Roger - Ah, the local bookstore. I was in KMart yesterday to pick up a prescription, so I wandered the book/magazine aisle for a few minutes. A pretty humbling few minutes it was. Ah, the corner drugstore run by your uncle's best friend! Now we have KMart/WalMart/Walgreens/CVS/... and where

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus - Usually it's programs related to stuff from papers (already LA-UR'ed), but on several occasions I've sat down a few weeks ahead of time and banged out new code (sometimes with vendor involvement). And on this occasion it was well into the wee hours of the night before the show in

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 4/19/13 11:59 AM, Steve Smith wrote: I didn't know you were working on the Biofuels project... very interesting work... I'm barely involved, but it is cool. An amazing thing to me about this the empirical side. For example, the center of integrated nanotechnologies can actually show

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Roger - What you're seeing is a new piece of common law being established. If a trademark holder does not defend a trademark by action in the marketplace, it loses it. If a patent holder does not market a patented drug which could save lives, it loses the patent. If a publisher fails to make

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus - I didn't know you were working on the Biofuels project... very interesting work... I'm barely involved, but it is cool. An amazing thing to me about this the empirical side. For example, the center of integrated nanotechnologies can actually show individuals enzymes at work. Want

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Steve Smith wrote at 04/19/2013 11:55 AM: And circling back to circular reasoning, how do we classify the Great Yogi's many circular but dead-nuts-on aphorisms like the one above? # It ain't over till it's over. http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/12128 # You wouldn't have won if we had beaten

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - 1) "It ain't over till it's over." http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/12128 2) "You wouldn't have won if we had beaten you." http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/12129 3) "If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it." http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/12132 4)

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
Steve -- I think we do it not because every patented invention is an exemplar of the system, but because some patents are so brilliant that they make up for all the grief that the rest of them put us through. Sort of like public education? It's funny that you bring up patents, because I've been

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread lrudolph
Russ asks: Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For example, two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than saying that there are force fields that exert forces, how does the electromagnetic force accomplish its effects. What is the

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Owen Densmore
Now here's a deal! SitePoint, a well respected tech publisher, will sell you ALL their ebooks/videos for $97. Wow! This is the sort of evolution I was discussing under the library idea. On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:14 PM, SitePoint bo...@sitepoint.com wrote: ** Hi there, This is your last

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Roger - I fear you have something here... but I hate to give over to it. It is sending restless kids to detention where they learn from the rowdy kids there how to be rowdy, then send the rowdies to juvie where the nasties teach them... only to have 20% of our population in prison breeding

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
I dunno, Owen, sounds like a business that may be in bankruptcy in a few weeks. -- rec -- On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Now here's a deal! SitePoint, a well respected tech publisher, will sell you ALL their ebooks/videos for $97. Wow! This is

Re: [FRIAM] digital ethics

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
Owen - Now here's a deal! SitePoint, a well respected tech publisher, will sell you ALL their ebooks/videos for $97. Wow! This is the sort of evolution I was discussing under the library idea. And how does that work out for Ed, Pamela, Fred, Tory, Bruce, Ruth, et alii? Do they get

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

2013-04-19 Thread glen
Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 04/19/2013 09:32 AM: I'm contrasting compile-time assertions against run-time assertions, and claiming the former is better when it can be achieved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence That's awesome! Thanks for that link. It proves

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Guerin
Along the lines that Lee is mentioning with fields being the first class objects, Bruce Sherwood may be able to illuminate some of the current thinking in Quantum Field Theory and how interpretations are made with respect to forces. Bruce? -Stephen On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM,

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Russ Abbott
One of the replies to my question on StackExchange was that what really mattered was that something is accelerated. Since acceleration is really(?) a matter of a change in energy of the thing accelerated, perhaps the most fundamental interaction is the transfer of energy from one entity (whatever

[FRIAM] Fwd: About - Gittip

2013-04-19 Thread Owen Densmore
Talking about digital ethics, this just popped up on John Resig's (JS Ninja) twitter stream: https://www.gittip.com/about/ The idea is to give a weekly tip to the folks you care about and who's work helps you too. -- Owen

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Gillian Densmore
How forces work: Theres the dark forces and light forces with all persistant and guide your destiny. They push against each other yet somehow balance out. With enough of the dark forces you can choke people you deem incompitent, or shoot lightning from your hands. I hope that helps answers the

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Guerin
Aya, it turns out Bruce recently unsubscribed from FRIAM. I hope you guys on the list are happy with your signal to noise ratio ;-)Just kidding...keep it up. Anyway, Bruce, as I had hoped, had a nice response, albeit offlist. If you want to respond to this thread, please cc: Bruce. I copy his

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Gillian Densmore
(bad joke aside): Russ do you have a specific type of force group of forces in mind? On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: One of the replies to my question on StackExchange was that what really mattered was that something is accelerated. Since acceleration

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread John Kennison
Russ, Before people knew about magnetism, it must have seemed miraculous that two stones would spontaneously start to move toward (or away from) each other. Now we can say, Oh, it's just magnetism. But if we think about long enough, we may still wonder how two objects can move toward or away

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Russ Abbott
Thanks for all the answers. To answer John's question first, magnetism doesn't seem miraculous (it's too familiar), but I can't say I understand how it works. It was just that question about magnetism that Feynman was asked as the start of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM in

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I like the question. I wonder what the answer will be? N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of John Kennison Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:07 PM To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM]

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Guerin
Russ, I think Bruce was using the traditional photon explanation (particles, or particle/waves as primitives) as a setup to introduce the more novel approach of treating fields as primitives. This is more appealing to me and tends to be how we write agent-based models that scale. In fact, one of

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
+2 ! How forces work: Theres the dark forces and light forces with all persistant and guide your destiny. They push against each other yet somehow balance out. With enough of the dark forces you can choke people you deem incompitent, or shoot lightning from your hands. I hope that helps

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
leptons- I think it is all intermediate vector bosons... or maybe I just like the way that phrase sounds? -boson Thanks for all the answers. To answer John's question first, magnetism doesn't seem miraculous (it's too familiar), but I can't say I understand how it works. It was just that

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Russ Abbott
If everything is fields, how do fields transfer energy from one to another? (I still have to read Hobson papers.) *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix