Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Being that LLMs are probabilistic may get the user of a LLM in some trouble here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_and_Quranic_narratives From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Monday, October 9, 2023 12:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
"Truth" is well defined. It is the set of propositions which assert that what is the case is the case. Determining whether a given proposition is true may be difficult. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Oct 9, 2023, 10:23 AM glen

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Steve Smith
On 10/9/23 9:24 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I mean there are some categories that are disjoint or mostly disjoint. Similarly, the grounding is not total. I agree that value systems like MAGA have power, but they don't have truth. There is no truth. All there is, is power, which is my

Re: [FRIAM] natalism

2023-10-09 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - In the spirit of succinctness (succinctity?) my intuition aligns with your argument here about the relevance/utility of flex/slop...   I think this is a corollary to Deacon's "absential" but to pursue it more formally would puncture the walls of my aspired /succintity/. At the risk

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
People can interact with the world and find groundings for symbols using their senses. Some of their semantic bindings may be learned from works of fiction. Some of their bindings may be copied from other people that did the same. Other bindings may be from planting things in dirt or

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread glen
OK, I agree, mostly. But "truth" is no more well-defined than any other specific grounding style. E.g. the insistence that there is truth in fiction. There is affective truth in MAGA, just like there's truth in whatever justification Hamas might give for its reaction to the bloodshed of the

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
I mean there are some categories that are disjoint or mostly disjoint. Similarly, the grounding is not total. I agree that value systems like MAGA have power, but they don't have truth. There is no truth. All there is, is power, which is my point. QM and demagoguery are both tools, with

Re: [FRIAM] natalism

2023-10-09 Thread glen
As usual, there's too much in your post for me to follow a thread. But I can cherry-pick this one: affect - or what it is to be about/for something. An option is to think in terms of soft types such that the lower order objects over which the higher order operators ... uh, operate, have some

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread glen
Hm. Even with the caveat of "generally", I think this complementarity argument fails because all the various categories are not disjoint. And it's the (somewhat) lack(ing) of grounding/binding that allows the mixing of the modes. I'd tried to point this out by using "computation", the idea