I mean there are some categories that are disjoint or mostly disjoint. Similarly, the grounding is not total. I agree that value systems like MAGA have power, but they don't have truth. There is no truth. All there is, is power, which is my point. QM and demagoguery are both tools, with different contexts for use.
> On Oct 9, 2023, at 7:48 AM, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hm. Even with the caveat of "generally", I think this complementarity > argument fails because all the various categories are not disjoint. And it's > the (somewhat) lack(ing) of grounding/binding that allows the mixing of the > modes. I'd tried to point this out by using "computation", the idea that > human innovation might be more universal than microbial innovation. It's not > really that the values *lack* grounding. It's that their grounding is > complicated, perhaps iterative? maybe heterarchical? IDK, but certainly not > lacking any grounding. > > An abstracted value system like that of the 09A OR MAGA cults may have *more* > power, more chances to hook and unhook because it gives the donner and doffer > of that value system more opportunities to do the donning and doffing at > whatever arbitrary points they choose, to lazily benefit themselves without > having to handle any unintended/unconsidered entailments. > >> On 10/8/23 18:18, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> This doesn't make them more valuable because they lack grounding. > >> On 10/8/23 13:21, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Generally attaching to one value system means not attaching to another value >> system. For example, adopting the value of tolerance logically is at odds >> with policing intolerance, e.g., one Jewish neighbor remarked this morning >> he drove past a home with a Hamas flag on it and was scared. (Reducing >> that fear by removing the flag would be reducing tolerance.) >> It seems to me that ideas that work have power and things that don’t work >> don’t have power. > > -- > glen > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
