Sorry for the late response, Russ, but thank you for your sanity. In these
days of despising The Other, good manners are much appreciated.
A Jesuit wrote a book about interviews he had with silicon valley
engineers/scientists about religion and their attitudes towards it. (Talk
about the lion's
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This is a red herring. The argument for dark matter/energy need not be
inductive. The inductive form is:
o we've defined the set based on the laws of physics we've observed o
everything is in this set o gravity seems stronger
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This is a red herring. The argument for dark matter/energy need
Roberts
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Thanks, Nick, you describe an interesting way of establishing a life-view.
Not quite sure how to answer, except to say that if I have faith
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This is a red herring. The argument for dark matter/energy need not be
inductive. The inductive form is:
o we've defined the set based on the laws of physics we've observed o
everything is in this set o gravity seems
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Thanks, Nick, you describe an interesting way of establishing a life-view.
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Not quite sure how to answer, except to say that if I have faith in
anything
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Nice gloss of Goodman. But it also suggests a problem with philosophy
I like C D Broad's take on this: Induction is the glory of science and the
scandal of philosophy. (1926, The Philosophy of Francis Bacon).
I think there's a lot of truth in this... induction is simply not a problem
for science and scientists. Scientists have used induction to give the most
Russell Standish wrote circa 12-03-23 10:21 PM:
In order to persuade me that induction is invalid,
Here's a great example of how a belief in induction allows us to think
in sloppy ways:
This reminds me of a comment in the Physics vs.
Chemistryhttp://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/timc/timc_20111219-1700a.mp3episode
of the BBC's Infinite Monkey Cage:
Chemistry is better than physics, because if something doesn't work you
can't pretend that it does by sticking the word 'dark'
This is a red herring. The argument for dark matter/energy need not be
inductive. The inductive form is:
o we've defined the set based on the laws of physics we've observed
o everything is in this set
o gravity seems stronger/weaker than predicted in some contexts
.: there are unobserved
Glen,
There is good reason to exclude the middle though. I am uncomfortable with the
non-right-or-wrong options you have given. To me, it seems that an argument can
only be correct if it specifies the circumstances under which it is correct
(when the intended circumstances are always, we often
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ERIC P. CHARLES wrote at 03/26/2012 11:01 AM:
Thus, rather than calling something valid-in-context, why not
include the context in the thing, and then just call
Thanks,
I liked this other one too.
http://www.naute.com/jokes/atheist.phtml
On 3/24/12, Robert J. Cordingley rob...@cirrillian.com wrote:
Then there's the story of the Scottish atheist fishing in Lock Ness when
suddenly his boat was tossed in the air. The fisherman gazed in fright
at the
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When we put it in a computer, it works. My email spam filter
(spamassassin) uses a machine induction technique called Bayesian networks.
It is remarkably effective at keeping spam out, and learning, in the
process, what I consider
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Thanks,
I liked this other one too.
http://www.naute.com/jokes/atheist.phtml
On 3/24/12, Robert J. Cordingley rob...@cirrillian.com wrote:
Then there's the story of the Scottish atheist fishing in Lock Ness
when suddenly his boat was tossed in the air. The fisherman
to hear Doug;s
Nick
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When we
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So, NIck: after an hour long mountain bike ride to reflect upon
induction, as the practice of inferring generalities from specifics, I'd
Nick,
I sent this response at 9.39. did you not get it. I think the
server
throws away one in five of my messages, just for fun.
FWIW, I also didn't get it then. Do you know Auden's Domesday
Song? It begins,
Jumbled in the common box
Of their dumb mortality,
Orchid, swan, and
Russ, your rant was conducted in the pure spirit of FRIAM; I would have
been disappointed had I not received at least one.
And I enjoyed it, thanks!
--Doug
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote:
Doug, I don't want to pick on you, but your certificate
Ramen.
Greg Sonnenfeld
“The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to
think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.”
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote:
Doug, I don't want to
The Vicar of Vermicelli approves.
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On Mar 23, 2012 9:34 AM, Greg Sonnenfeld gsonn...@gmail.com wrote:
Ramen.
Greg Sonnenfeld
“The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane
to think clearly, but one can think deeply
I'm told many find comfort in the teachings of insert your spiritual
leader here. I thought it odd/insightful thatJoseph Cambell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_campbell found the same core
message in the world's major religious teachings. I can believe moral
atheists share the same core
Good question about infinite intelligence. Try to even frame a reference
for answering that one.
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On Mar 23, 2012 12:14 PM, Robert J. Cordingley rob...@cirrillian.com
wrote:
I'm told many find comfort in the teachings of insert your spiritual
leader here. I thought it
So, for reference: a 2X intelligence delta that we have all probably
experienced, perhaps without knowing it, would be from talking with a
person who had an IQ of 70, followed by engaging with a person having a140
IQ.
I will ignore quibbles about the accuracy of IQ as an intelligence measure
for
I come at the whole I'm ordained so now I can marry folk thing from a
different direction: in many states, *anyone* can be an officient at a
wedding. No special documentation is required. In those places, any
accrediting document for that purpose is a joke document.
~~The Reverend James
Indeed, and New Mexico is one of those states. Regardless, I am
inordinately proud of my new ordination.
:)
-Doug
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On Mar 23, 2012 3:15 PM, James Steiner gregortr...@gmail.com wrote:
I come at the whole I'm ordained so now I can marry folk thing from a
different direction:
It's possible that...
- there may be a direct correlation between less intelligence and
belief in what others will tell them (e.g. dogma and religious BS) -
because neither knows any better.
- and that may have nothing to do with whether a belief in the Divine
is correlated with
Be interesting to hear why your ordination has meaning to you. That it
does is obvious, and your willingness to engage in FRIAM about it
implies there's an aspect of having it that you may not have
mentioned. Yes? No? Maybe?
Tory
On Mar 23, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
So, Doug, explain to me how you come to believe in the validity of
induction?
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induction?
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So, for reference: a 2X intelligence
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When we put it in a computer, it works. My email spam filter
(spamassassin) uses a machine induction technique called Bayesian networks.
It is remarkably effective at keeping spam out, and learning
Doug, I don't want to pick on you, but your certificate strikes me as
indirect bullying.
I'm as atheistic as they come, but I know a number of people who (for
reasons that I don't understand) take religion quite seriously. They are
intelligent, pleasant people, not the sort to rub their beliefs
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