Re: [FRIAM] quantified self (was lurking)

Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 11:58 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] quantified self (was lurking) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantified_self The question, maybe, is what does the obsessive measuring and the implied hyper-socialization do that's b

[FRIAM] quantified self (was lurking)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantified_self The question, maybe, is what does the obsessive measuring and the implied hyper-socialization do that's bad? I got in an argument recently. Surprise! I told a couple of dudes that I like working out in a fasted state, lately weight lifting after a

Re: [FRIAM] FB self-selected antibody covid testing of 3000+ in Santa Clara

I don't know if these were mentioned in the livescience article. But its handy to have them posted separately. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-begins-study-quantify-undetected-cases-coronavirus-infection

Re: [FRIAM] FB self-selected antibody covid testing of 3000+ in Santa Clara

You're right. My apologies. Bit.ly is driving me crazy lately. TJ Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) *NM Foundation for Open

Re: [FRIAM] FB self-selected antibody covid testing of 3000+ in Santa Clara

I was tempted to offer them 0.50. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 4:08 PM Gary Schiltz wrote: > Hey Tom, that link points to a domain that is for sale. > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 5:04 PM Tom Johnson wrote: > >>

Re: [FRIAM] FB self-selected antibody covid testing of 3000+ in Santa Clara

Hey Tom, that link points to a domain that is for sale. On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 5:04 PM Tom Johnson wrote: > Related: > BS NEWS April 19, 2020, 9:07 AM > "On the trail of COVID-19: Contact tracing the virus > bit.ly/mSad > TJ > > > > Tom Johnson -

Re: [FRIAM] FB self-selected antibody covid testing of 3000+ in Santa Clara

Related: BS NEWS April 19, 2020, 9:07 AM "On the trail of COVID-19: Contact tracing the virus bit.ly/mSad TJ Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c)

[FRIAM] FB self-selected antibody covid testing of 3000+ in Santa Clara

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-antibodies-widespread-in-santa-clara.htmlPreprint below.Has this been discussed already?Seems like a fairly key new piece of information in the covid19 version of the Drake Equation (with a time component).This seems to be a decent guess at the fraction

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

You're not quibbling. This is *the* point I was trying to make when talking about episodic vs. narrative personalities. (And my worry about the "narrating complexity" project.) Those of us who switch all the time, perhaps pathologically, scatterbrained, high schizotypes, my not be able to

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:59 PM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case Of course! To quote one of the most preeminent magicians of all time: Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law! 8^) But what it doesn't seem like you see

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

Yes, it's definitely related. I keep wanting to go back to the paper Marcus posted (coupled Ising sub-models vs global Ising models) and potential mixed phases of subcomponents. Qualitative ascription depends on such mixed states. E.g. the "wetness" of water as opposed to the "dryness" of hard

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

Of course! To quote one of the most preeminent magicians of all time: Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law! 8^) But what it doesn't seem like you see is that by calling them *modes*, I've created a middle ground between them. It is the same *stuff*, just different processes. (Or, dually,

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

t; Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ? > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:09 AM > To:

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

iversity thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:09 AM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case Nick's prior introduction of the two terms (here: <http://friam.471366.n2.

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

Nick's prior introduction of the two terms (here: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/Good-climate-change-skeptics-td7586673i20.html#a7586710) is still relevant. I reject both your and Nick's distinctions as artificial. 8^) The deeper issue is the domain of applicability. As chaotic, fractal,

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

uncommon for authoritarian systems.-J. Original message From: thompnicks...@gmail.com Date: 4/10/20 06:01 (GMT+01:00) To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: [FRIAM] The Self Case OK, Glen, fair enough and stipulated.  I hope you know  how much I value yo

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

alf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:13 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case Sounds like your department was mixture of clinicians and experimenters. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 8

Re: [FRIAM] The Self Case

Sounds like your department was mixture of clinicians and experimenters. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:01 PM wrote: > OK, Glen, fair enough and stipulated. I hope you know how much I value > your

[FRIAM] The Self Case

OK, Glen, fair enough and stipulated. I hope you know how much I value your perspective. But ...One of the constant debates in my field (well, perhaps more accurately, in the field of most of the members of my Department, was between the "nomothetic" and the "idiographic".Knowing you

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

Thanks so much for that! Squ! that'd be really neet (the flip phone). There's an amazing amount of things to like abount android. The fake keyboard isn't one(IMO) Any guesses if the better coverage in rural areas is a lots of towers thing? or what frequencies they use (from there legacy

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

I find that Verizon is better in rural areas than Fi. In the cities I cant tell the difference. My girlfriend recently switched to Verizon pay-as-you-go service and it seems much better than constant shenanigans of her previous Verizon contract. In other news it looks like Motorola is bringing

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

@Steven A Smith As to WiFi and my general usage. For what ever reason, getting and placing calls for me over WiFi is hit and miss. I'm in and out. More in than out with 38-40 degree weather. I go out for jogs and walks a lot when it's much nicer out, One of the big things I love are gamefied

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

Thanks Steve! On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 5:55 PM Steven A Smith wrote: > I switched to Fi 3 years ago and am generally very happy. I ran 1 phone > for under $40 for a year and have been running 2 for under $60 for the last > two. This low price depends heavily on my using my own WiFi network

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

Thanks again Carl. Just checked. Fuxing hell. The damn phone or Google, or the Cellphone people keep claiming isn't compabile with there networks. On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:23 PM Gillian Densmore wrote: > Oh that is nice. > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:59 PM Carl Tollander wrote: > >> My

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

Oh that is nice. On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:59 PM Carl Tollander wrote: > My Google Fi (TMobile & Sprint & someothercarrier & Wifi) averaging about > 45/mo. Around 27 base with taxes, then $10/GB. It could get up in the 80 > buck range if you used a lot of data but they cap the costs (not the

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

My Google Fi (TMobile & Sprint & someothercarrier & Wifi) averaging about 45/mo. Around 27 base with taxes, then $10/GB. It could get up in the 80 buck range if you used a lot of data but they cap the costs (not the data) at 6GB, so I would never pay more than around $90 which is unlikely for

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

@Tom Johnson Do you know if that includes any discounts? (without prying) On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 3:26 PM Tom Johnson wrote: > I pay T-Mobile $70 for two lines, unlimited data. Call them or go to the > store and negotiate. > Tom > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 3:22 PM Gillian Densmore > wrote: >

Re: [FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

I pay T-Mobile $70 for two lines, unlimited data. Call them or go to the store and negotiate. Tom On Mon, Nov 11, 2019, 3:22 PM Gillian Densmore wrote: > Hi all my Tmobile plan at the moment is now at least 80 dollars. (it's > unlimited data FWIW) . Thinking that's pretty hefty, I've been

[FRIAM] Better self phone plan deals?

Hi all my Tmobile plan at the moment is now at least 80 dollars. (it's unlimited data FWIW) . Thinking that's pretty hefty, I've been trying to find better deals and are frustrated at the lack of I've found. What are folks experience here? Comcast has been in the cellphone business for a while

Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours: Rich Murray 2017.12.10

Alpha Zero here http... --John From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:41:20 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Google s

[FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours, DeepMind AI Lab: Rich Murray 2017.12.11

Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours, DeepMind AI Lab: Rich Murray 2017.12.11 https://futurism.com/4-hours-googles-ai-mastered-chess-knowledge-history/ Chess isn’t an easy game, by human standards. But for an artificial

Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours: Rich Murray 2017.12.10

esigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of John Kennison Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 2:23 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero a

Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours: Rich Murray 2017.12.10

.@redfish.com> on behalf of Russ Abbott <russ.abb...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:36:53 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours:

Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours: Rich Murray 2017.12.10

y that they > will be a single "organism" for all practical purposes. > > > > - Steve > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com > <friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *John Kennison > *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 7:17 AM > *T

Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours: Rich Murray 2017.12.10

fertilize so thoroughly that they will be a single "organism" for all practical purposes.  - Steve > >   > > *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *John > Kennison > *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 7:17 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applie

Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours: Rich Murray 2017.12.10

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours: Rich Murray 2017.12.10 I once thought I had a sure-fire way to make games between humans and com

Re: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours: Rich Murray 2017.12.10

aZero game playing computer refutes my idea. From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Rich Murray <rmfor...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:16:26 AM To: Rich Murray Subject: [FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intellig

[FRIAM] Google self-evolving AlphaZero artificial intelligence program mastered chess from scratch in 4 hours: Rich Murray 2017.12.10

https://futurism.com/4-hours-googles-ai-mastered-chess-knowledge-history/ Chess isn’t an easy game, by human standards. But for an artificial intelligence powered by a formidable, almost alien mindset, the trivial diversion can be mastered in a few spare hours. In a new paper, Google researchers

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

, September 13, 2017 11:51:18 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas I found this essay interesting: Why the Greatest Advocates of Nonviolence Didn't Condemn Anti-Racist, Anti-Fascist Acts of Violence http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

I suspect your questions are rhetorical. But since I never tire of hearing my own voice... On 09/13/2017 11:20 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Is the concern among pacifists about the practical consequences of violence > or about the actual physical harm to another? This article suggests to me

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

Glen - Great find. I was just in DC over Labor Day and experienced the various Monuments, the Museums, the Galleries, and the edifices of power in a whole new way... more as a tourist than ever before, but also able to take in some of the grandeur, not just the grandiosity of it all.   The

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

11:51:18 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas I found this essay interesting: Why the Greatest Advocates of Nonviolence Didn't Condemn Anti-Racist, Anti-Fascist Acts of Violence http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/41902-why-the-greate

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

I found this essay interesting: Why the Greatest Advocates of Nonviolence Didn't Condemn Anti-Racist, Anti-Fascist Acts of Violence http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/41902-why-the-greatest-advocates-of-nonviolence-didn-t-condemn-anti-racist-anti-fascist-acts-of-violence It loops back on our

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

There is no such thing as enlightened self interest. Enlightenment is (well, includes anyway) the realization that "self" is an illusion. Moreover, it's a willful illusion, one we can consciously manipulate. So, I agree with your basic idea that we can manipulate our sense of self. But I think

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

Just for a little backup: https://evolution-institute.org/article/richard-dawkins-edward-o-wilson-and-the-consensus-of-the-many/ > What prompted the 137 co-authors to respond to the Nature article was not > based on what Nowak et al. said about group selection, but their denial that > it could

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

On September 10, 2017 12:28:41 PM PDT, Steven A Smith wrote: >it is built into us as humans/mammals/vertebrates/life-itself to be >self-centered, to look after our own personal well-being before we look to >that of others.   Our tribal/clan dunbar-number-scale affinities

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

@redfish.com> on behalf of Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:28:41 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas Glen/Marcus/et alia - I have of late, been trying to understand

[FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

Glen/Marcus/et alia - I have of late, been trying to understand a little more deeply the concept of "Enlightened Self Interest", mostly as it applies to me personally, but by extension how it applies to my identity groups (family, neighbors, region, culture, nation, species,

Re: [FRIAM] the self

Ha! We bald people clearly have a stronger sense of self than hairy people. On August 8, 2017 6:06:12 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Gasp. Loss of _hair_? _Who_ would say such a thing? -- ⛧glen⛧ FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] the self

quot; Gasp. Loss of _hair_? _Who_ would say such a thing? Marcus From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 5:51:53 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group S

Re: [FRIAM] the self

OK. This is better. But you seem to have defined "unit" or "coherence", rather than "self" ... I'm reminded of Simon's "near decomposability" in The Sciences of the Artificial. To promote a unit to a self, you're going to have to include some sort of loop, like propri- or inter-oception.

Re: [FRIAM] the self

com> Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 5:54:23 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the self All you've done is pass the buck from "self" to "me". And given the hijinks Roger pulled with Swarm, self might respond to "jump" one day,

Re: [FRIAM] the self

FWIW, B.C.Smith, that fount of wisdom, references "flex and slop" and cites Hume as inspiration for the idea. It's a tangle of reasoning that boils down (I think - this is my own nonsense, not Smith's) to the idea that there *must* be misunderstanding for communication to exist. (This is an

Re: [FRIAM] the self

All you've done is pass the buck from "self" to "me". And given the hijinks Roger pulled with Swarm, self might respond to "jump" one day, but throw an error the next ... just like, say, today I can throw a baseball with my right arm. But if I break that arm, tomorrow I might not be able to

Re: [FRIAM] the self

ay, August 7, 2017 12:24:57 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] the self So, I read this the other day: The Promise of LSD Microdoses and Other Psychedelic "Medicines" https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/the-promise-of-lsd-microdoses-and-other-psychedelic-medicines/ and w

Re: [FRIAM] the self

en they see objects they don't understand. Others just send crap to each other all day. Marcus From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 12:24:57 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [

Re: [FRIAM] the self

Lol I misread the title as promised stuff off the shelf On Aug 7, 2017 12:25 PM, "glen ☣" wrote: > So, I read this the other day: > > The Promise of LSD Microdoses and Other Psychedelic "Medicines" > https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/the-promise-of-lsd- >

[FRIAM] the self

So, I read this the other day: The Promise of LSD Microdoses and Other Psychedelic "Medicines" https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/the-promise-of-lsd-microdoses-and-other-psychedelic-medicines/ and was reminded of Frank's dare to read: The Analysis of the Self

Re: [FRIAM] inner self and discovery: Ann Racuya-Robbins: inner voice as mutifaceted experiencable interface between usual awareness and subtle identity as vaster awareness: Rich Murray 2008.07.18

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an analogy, after decades of viewing plays, TV, and movies, we often find ourselves attending to the reality that actors are following carefully evolved scripts, with skillful editing weaving together shots into complex narratives that entice the viewer to create

Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion One of our complexity scientists in this novel claims she plays the piano passably. On Sep 13, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: What?! No saxophone-playing complexity scientists? FRIAM has at *least* two of those

Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion

] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:55 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion One of our complexity scientists in this novel claims she plays the piano passably. On Sep 13, 2007, at 10:40 AM

Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion

Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion One of our complexity scientists in this novel claims she plays the piano passably. On Sep 13, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: What?!No saxophone-playing complexity scientists? FRIAM has at *least

Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion

On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: I'm all a-quiver.  I checked the tracking -- my copy was in Albuquerque last night... Doing unspeakable things in Old Town, I fear. A Messiah who actually arrives is no good to anybody. A hope fulfilled is already half a

[FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion

My first novel in over thirty yeas, The Edge of Chaos, has just been released. The authors' copies arrived last night. Set mostly in Santa Fe, though parts of it are set in Frankfurt and Munich, Germany and two of the major characters come from New York City. Here's the copy blurb: An

Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion

What?! No saxophone-playing complexity scientists? FRIAM has at *least* two of those... Hmph. See if *I* read your novel. ;-} Seriously, congrats, Pamela! --Doug -- Doug Roberts, RTI International [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell On 9/13/07,

Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion

One of our complexity scientists in this novel claims she plays the piano passably. On Sep 13, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: What?!  No saxophone-playing complexity scientists?  FRIAM has at *least* two of those... Hmph.  See if *I* read your novel. ;-} Seriously, congrats,

Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion

Josh makes the same claim, but who's going to believe him? ;-] (I know he reads this). --Doug -- Doug Roberts, RTI International [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell On 9/13/07, Pamela McCorduck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Shameless self-promotion

Pamela, I am writing a book about Haiti, and, therefore, chaos and have not yet given birth although I am pregnant with ideas and complexity. I shall get a copy of your book. Congratulations, Paul ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Re: [FRIAM] Overshoot self-correction to collapse in theSP 500Mar-Aug 07

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just because independent behaviors of emergent natural systems are not susceptible to deterministic analysis of the usual sort doesn't mean they're not observable, dangerous and generally predictable by other more general means In a high-dimensional dynamical system

Re: [FRIAM] Overshoot self-correction to collapse in the SP 500 Mar-Aug 07

Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Overshoot self-correction to collapse in the SP 500 Mar-Aug 07 Phil Henshaw wrote: What's it look like to you? The price swings in the SP 500 over the last 4 months seem to display the natural complex system self-controls

[FRIAM] Overshoot self-correction to collapse in the SP 500 Mar-Aug 07

What's it look like to you? The price swings in the SP 500 over the last 4 months seem to display the natural complex system self-controls of the financial system 'fishtailing' to the point of failure. I've been talking about seeing that in the decision making about future energy sources as

Re: [FRIAM] Overshoot self-correction to collapse in the SP 500 Mar-Aug 07

Phil Henshaw wrote: What's it look like to you? The price swings in the SP 500 over the last 4 months seem to display the natural complex system self-controls of the financial system 'fishtailing' to the point of failure. Shrug. On the left of this five year SP 500 plot is a similar

Re: [FRIAM] RE Self consciousness and Passive Darwinism.

Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 6/26/2006 12:55:42 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] RE Self consciousness and Passive Darwinism. On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 12:19:13AM -0400, Nicholas Thompson wrote: I have never understood the idea that animals are not self conscious in some useful sense

Re: [FRIAM] RE Self consciousness and Passive Darwinism.

] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:26 PM To: Phil Henshaw; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: RE: [FRIAM] RE Self consciousness and Passive Darwinism. This is a great post. Comments in caps below. I PROMISE I AM NOT SHOUTING. Nicholas Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED

[FRIAM] RE Self consciousness and Passive Darwinism.

I have never understood the idea that animals are not self conscious in some useful sense. Heck, self consciousness is a necessary part of any feed forward system, isnt it? As for the active role of the organism in Darwinism, I agree that the role of para-genetic inheritance systems is