Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Macros (in the Lisp sense) are still, as far as I know, unique to Lisp. This is partly because in order to have macros you probably have to make your language look as strange as Lisp. It may also be because if you do add that final increment of power, you can no longer claim to have invented a

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Merle, I missed your comment and you are certainly somebody to me P. On Mar 3, 2014, at 11:12 PM, Merle Lefkoff merlelefk...@gmail.com wrote: I commented, and I'm utterly somebody, dear Pamela. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Pamela McCorduck pam...@well.com wrote: Utterly nobody

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Smith
Pamela - I think there are *many* valid arguments up one side and down the other of this topic, just as the (false?) dichotomy between Art and Craft. I also think that while there are arguments for the deep pockets of government, there are also arguments against it. I can't find a

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Smith
I apologize for getting a little off topic from the original point being made here: My rail is against two things, UberScale Science and the loss/limitation/coopting of Government Funding of Science. While the free market has some magic to it, there are times when an entity charged with

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread glen
FWIW, I thought you were spot on re: the topic. It seems to me that it doesn't matter whether the big money is from the government or the private sector. Big money implies things like big returns, cutting patients to fit tables, etc. Regardless of who employs the bureaucrat, their @ss is

[FRIAM] new form of phishing?

2014-03-04 Thread Nick Thompson
Have you received the one with the subject line, Bad things are being said on line. It give you a link to go to find out your reputation report Great business model. All I can do not to look to see what they have on me. But I figure that with the number of people named Nicholas Thompson

Re: [FRIAM] new form of phishing?

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Smith
NLT Have you received the one with the subject line, Bad things are being said on line. It give you a link to go to find out your reputation report I would say that my junk mail has at least a dozen of *forms* of phishing in it, though maybe that is *my* junk *plus* my that of my wife's,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 3/4/14, 11:33 AM, glen wrote: Although I haven't participated, I think we can learn quite a bit from the outright generosity shown by Kickstarter participants. To me it is important to believe there are things inherently worth doing, and that there is someone that wants to do them and a

[FRIAM] CrowdFunding

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/4/14, 11:33 AM, glen wrote: Although I haven't participated, I think we can learn quite a bit from the outright generosity shown by Kickstarter participants. To me it is important to believe there are things inherently worth doing, and that there is someone that wants to do them and a

Re: [FRIAM] CrowdFunding

2014-03-04 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 3/4/14, 1:12 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I'll probably trigger Marcus again if I suggest collecting funds to build a neighborhood park Can we make it the Glowing Plant park? http://www.glowingplant.com/ Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Perhaps it was just incredibly fortunate for us that those people—Licklider, Kahn, Cerf and others—were in a position at a special time to make a dream come true. They had the ways and means to spend money, and spent it pretty wisely. Everything the pioneers did wasn’t successful—a big,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread glen
On 03/04/2014 11:50 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: On 3/4/14, 11:33 AM, glen wrote: Although I haven't participated, I think we can learn quite a bit from the outright generosity shown by Kickstarter participants. To me it is important to believe there are things inherently worth doing, and

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread Grant Holland
Pamela, Shrewd observation. Going back 25+ years earlier than those people, the Cybernetics movement was a global intellectual effort that was ultimately interested in a science of mind. Most of its participants were probably academics, and it included a broad array of passions - not only

Re: [FRIAM] CrowdFunding

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus - I'll probably trigger Marcus again if I suggest collecting funds to build a neighborhood park Can we make it the Glowing Plant park? http://www.glowingplant.com/ Very Kewl... but way too creepy to me. Despite the assurances my own PhD Molecular Biologist daughter gives me about

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Smith
Perhaps it was just incredibly fortunate for us that those people—Licklider, Kahn, Cerf and others—were in a position at a special time to make a dream come true. They had the ways and means to spend money, and spent it pretty wisely. Everything the pioneers did wasn’t successful—a big,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Although I haven't participated, I think we can learn quite a bit from the outright generosity shown by Kickstarter participants. To me it is important to believe there are things inherently worth doing, and that there is someone that wants to do them and a means to get them done. I