Ridiculous! grin
But just because some true seekers are ridiculed does not mean that
ridicule is not useful and true in its own right.
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- Original Message -
From: Orlando Leibovitz
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2
I agree with the conclusions of the article and with your analysis. We all
(most
To prevent that the creativity discussion drowns in the archives
of the FRIAM mailing list, I have added a page about creativity
with the article from Orlando, some thoughts of Günther and
the definition from Larry to the Wiki:
http://sfcomplex.org/wiki/Creativity
-J.
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2
I agree with the conclusions of the article and with your analysis. We all
(most of us) have sudden insight from time to time. What I want to know is
where the really original, genius type insight comes from. What is it that
allows Newton or Einstein
] The Brain and Creativity 2
Hi,
Orlando here,
What
is it that allows Newton or Einstein or Picasso to see something
essential that no one has seen or understood before?
I guess the time is just ripe (viz.: enough knowledge has accumulated
and is lying around for a new synthesis
Günther,
it == The Crowd. Sorry, was attempting an argument against the
strawman view that the crowd needn't listen, but got caught up in the
overpith.
Carl
Günther Greindl wrote:
Carl,
Carl Tollander wrote:
Cosmic Pez Dispenser
I like that picture :-))
situated, as
A fellow over on the NCC fell into this for a bit, (as, I think, we all
do from time to time). I liked Baez's comment around the eggs.
http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2008/07/causality_in_discrete_models_o.html#c018025
C
Orlando Leibovitz wrote:
Marcus,
If all of your email messages
Orlando,
Orlando Leibovitz wrote:
essential. In this regard I am quoting Martha Graham to Agnes De
snip
I think they apply to scientific
creativity but I'm not sure.
What a wonderful quote, thanks!! And yes, I absolutey believe that good
science should be conducted in this way too.
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Of Günther Greindl
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:07 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2
Hi,
Orlando here,
What
is it that allows
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2
Hi,
Orlando here,
What
is it that allows Newton or Einstein or Picasso to see something
essential that no one has seen or understood before?
I guess the time is just ripe (viz.: enough knowledge has
Couldn't disagree more. Examples of why, in my opinion, the aggregate
assessment of human intelligence is highly inflated:
1. Bush. Elected. Twice. (Florida vote count issue notwithstanding).
2. Americans continuing to buy fuel hogging cars even after the warning
supplied by the
I think being able to use mathematical symbology on the friam would be
wonderful but not if the syntax is not pliable to speak in new ways.
“One man’s rigor is another man’s mortis”
Bohren, Craig F. and B. A. Albrecht (1998). Atmospheric Thermodynamics.
Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote:
I
agree here againthe possibility of
ridicule and being willing to be considered a fool are involved in
original
insight (creativity). In fact even in this friam forum I have felt a
kind of
ridicule (you dont know anything about mathematics) when I am
] The Brain and Creativity 2
I think being able to use mathematical symbology on the friam would be
wonderful but not if the syntax is not pliable to speak in new ways.
One man's rigor is another man's mortis
Bohren, Craig F. and B. A. Albrecht (1998). Atmospheric Thermodynamics
The Wisdom of Crowds posits 4 criteria for a crowd to be wise:
http://tinyurl.com/mbmnb
Diversity, Independence, Decentralized, Mechanism for aggregation.
-- Owen
On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
Couldn't disagree more. Examples of why, in my opinion, the aggregate
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2
Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote:
I agree here again
the possibility of ridicule and being willing to be
considered a fool are involved in original insight (creativity). In fact
even in this friam forum I have felt a kind of ridicule (you dont know
Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote:
Precisely, who is the man here which is the rigor which is the mortis?
It's possible to program a computer in English. It's also possible to
make an airplane controlled by reins and spurs.
John McCarthy, Father of Artificial Intelligence, Professor Emeritus
Stupid is as stupid does. -- Forrest Gump.
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Doug Roberts, RTI International
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On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Owen Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Wisdom of Crowds posits 4 criteria for a crowd to be wise:
People who wish to analyse nature without using mathematics
must settle for a reduced understanding.
- Richard Feynman
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2
People who wish to analyse nature without using mathematics
must settle for a reduced understanding.
- Richard Feynman
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Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote:
I think this creative content emerges from two interacting “facts”
qualities of their experience:
1. Some people come to such an acceptance and trust in their own
sensibility, you might say their unique or individual sensibility,
that they use it every day and
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Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2
People who wish to analyse nature without using mathematics
must settle
Marcus,
If all of your email messages and all of your wisdom was always ignored,
would that be a problem for you?
O
Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
Ann Racuya-Robbins wrote:
I think this creative content emerges from two interacting “facts”
qualities of their experience:
1. Some people come
Orlando Leibovitz wrote:
If all of your email messages and all of your wisdom was always
ignored, would that be a problem for you?
I'm just responding to what I understood the proposed scenario to be:
A person develops an internal executive process and communicates it to
few other people.
Marcus,
Thanks. I agree.
O
Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
Orlando Leibovitz wrote:
If all of your email messages and all of your wisdom was always
ignored, would that be a problem for you?
I'm just responding to what I understood the proposed scenario to be:
A person develops an
While I am a big fan of Richard Feynman and a mathematician at heart
(and physicist by training), I have to note:
"People who limit their apprehension of nature to that
which can be analyzed by mathematics must settle for misapprehension"
- Steve
Mathematics is for those who are bad at
Hi,
Orlando here,
What
is it that allows Newton or Einstein or Picasso to see something
essential that no one has seen or understood before?
I guess the time is just ripe (viz.: enough knowledge has accumulated
and is lying around for a new synthesis) at certain moments for
intelligent
Not sure that the Cosmic Pez Dispenser of Picassos would have produced a
similar Guernica painting five years later. Insights are historically
situated, as you say. Any of these players, in a different milieu or
time would have different insights, but insights they would have.
This doesn't
Orlando here,
In addition to intelligence I think there are other personality traits
involved in original insight (creativity). It seems to me one must
accept the possibility of ridicule and be willing to be considered a
fool. Pursuit of personal expression at all cost seems to be
: Orlando Leibovitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity 2
Orlando here,
I agree with the conclusions of the article and with your analysis. We all
(most
as a mysterious process
how people come up with new ideas and new things.
-J.
- Original Message -
From: Orlando Leibovitz
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 5:03 AM
Subject: [FRIAM] The Brain and Creativity
My own feeling is that creativity
The July 28 2008 issue of the New Yorker contains an article titled The
Eureka Hunt: Why Do Good Ideas Come To Us When They Do. See
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/28/080728fa_fact_lehrer for
an abstract.
Although the article talks about human insight I think it touches on
human
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