If a discussion forum has an ecology of antagonists,
perhaps I am a bit too much of a philosopher here.
What kind of flame warrior are you ?
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/philosopher.htm
-J.
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Remember this classic game ?
One of the first video games.
http://www.bofunk.com/video/594/funny_pong_flash.html
also available here
http://www.freeonlinegames.com/play/2280.html
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I must admit I was not fully aware of the
philosophical background for intentionality
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/intentionality/
Maybe I confused intentionality with intentions.
I am not sure what intentionality really means.
Nevertheless, the aspect of intentionality as
A heat wave is sweeping Europe with temperatures
exceeding those on the Mediterranean coast.
Whole Europe is struggling under the high
temperatues, except a few hard boiled nudists..
http://www.nudisttrampolining.com/
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Interesting book ! Much more interesting than the bad
complexity book from Remo Badii and Antonio Politi that
gets dusty somehwere on my bookshelf. Even if it is
from Cambridge University Press, the Badii and Politi
book is one of those disappointing books that you put down
again soon
That's strange, in my Mozilla Thunderbird (IMAP) e-Mail client
I can see the response from Russel before the original mail from
Nick about Friam Digest, Vol 37, Issue 47. Microsoft's Outlook
displays it in the correct order:
Dates in Outlook
Russel's Mail Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 9:09
Nick's Mail
Yes, you are right. If I sort after the remote sender's time, Outlook
shows the wrong message order, too.
-J.
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The recent discussion about the advances in the field
of complexity science and Owen's question about a
sound basis for discussions about complex systems
caused me to think about the current state of the
field and its literature. Perhaps a definite book
is missing. Won't it be an interesting
Such a book should of course contain a big cautionary note on
the use of buzzwords. Buzzwords are especially frequent in the
area of complex systems, they are helpful to sell something,
but sometimes problematic in order to understand something.
Self-organization, emergence, and edge of chaos
IMHO formal treatments and formalisms are not helpful for
complex systems, if you want to understand complex systems
in general. They are NOT the right way, because they try to
press the diversity of complex systems into equations with
a few placeholders. This is the old way science has tried
Perhaps the best way to solve complex problems is to
let your guts decide ? What did Stephen Colbert say
at the White House Correspondents Dinner ? ..That's
where the truth lies, right down here in the gut, see
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879
-J.
Whoa. Three buzzwords in a row: non-linearity, emergence and
complexity. You forgot non-equilibrium and edge of chaos.
How does this sound like: a revolutionary paradigm shift
towards a variety of non-linear, non-equilibrium patterns out
of the loop at the edge of chaos that are uniquely
If the USA delivers weapons and military knowledge to autonomous
parties in instable countries like Israel, Afghanistan and the
former Iraq and even trains people there to fight, it is of course
not surprising at all (perhaps even unavoidable) that eventually
these weapons will be used for an
I am not sure if agent-based modelling offers better insight
than the knowledge of history combined with common sense,
but it is probably much better than Game Theory and pure
mathematical analysis. One problem is the myriad ways in which
actors in societies can interact with each other: if
Good idea, but a lot of others had it, too. There is already a large number
of social networking sites with web interfaces that are building and
organizing themselves. For example, to name a few,
http://groups.yahoo.com/
http://groups.msn.com/
http://www.myspace.com/
It seems to be a compilation of dozens and dozens of games
with groovy names and silly stories. Is this what game theory
IS when one gets close to it?
..the game I have spent most time thinking about ... Tragedy of
the Commons type games lke PD games.are actually a narrow category
of
Of course it is the essence of science to verify hypotheses
by experiments. Yet sometimes we have neither suitable
experimental data nor a solid theory, for example
in the case of very large agent-based systems (for instance
for the self-organization and self-management of large
internet
Nice Flash graphics. Google also has a video about it here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7996617766640098677
-J.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:55 AM
Subject: [FRIAM] Visual statistics
For those of us interested in the
Windward Reports: Cubicle War 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOTBWlt0-Y0
If wonder if the three YouTube founders Chad Hurley
Steve Chen and Jawed Karim will manage to sell
YouTube and become millionaires ? YouTube.com
has allegedly 50 employees and enough server capacity
to stream more
Google's Book Search service offers searchers free downloadable
PDF files of classic titles like Dante's Divine Comedy,
Sir Isaac Newton's Principia, Ralph Waldo Emerson's Essays,
the complete works of William Shakespeare, and Aesop's Fables,
as well as other books no longer under copyright
Chad Hurley has made it. Google pays $1.65 Billion Dollar
for his company YouTube, although YouTube is making more debts
than profit, and similar to many P2P file-sharing systems,
YouTube's popularity comes from allegedly free content
(music videos, TV series,..), i.e. from copyright
it's also possible that my statement of what
seems to be the most fascinating and relevant
problem of our times is incomplete, and I very
openly welcome contributions to how it should be posed
It seems to be a bit incomplete indeed.
If I understand you right, you want us
to formulate
I was wondering why SearchMash is so fast
and precise until I noticed that is operated
by Google. Perhaps it is faster because
it shows no ads... How much better would
the internet be without all these annoying
ads. On the other hand we would not have
Google then either, which seems to turn into
Is someone interested in modifying an existing 3D engine
for agent based modeling ? I am thinking of a complex virtual
world with a number of different scenarios, for instance a
crowded city, a small village, a clear forest or whatever,
where the actors can be controlled by programs or humans.
Scholarpedia http://www.scholarpedia.org is similar
to Wikipedia. The difference is that each article
is written by an expert (invited or elected),
each article is anonymously peer reviewed, and
each article has a curator or editor. We had
similar ideas for our own DCS-Wiki at
Urgs, at least two slips of the pen in one post. Sorry.
Larry Sanger's new CITIZENDIUM (a compendium of knowledge
similar to Wikipedia - short for the citizen's compendium)
at http://citizendium.org/ seems to go in a similar
direction. A Slashdot discussion can be found here
Microsoft's new We Share Your Pain (WSYP) Program
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-c0YSsF_O0
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Jose M. Vidal is writing a textbook about the
fundamentals of multiagent systems, see
http://jmvidal.cse.sc.edu/lib/vidalfmas.html
The book emphasizes the game theoretical foundations
of multiagent research and combines them with
hands-on experimentation of system dynamics using
NetLogo
If you were to go about programming a computer
to think about itself, how would you do it?
Even if we program a computer to think about
itself, the computer would be extremely bored,
because he is as intelligent as a cash register
or washing machine. He just follows commands,
only extremely
In my opinion, biologically detailed large-scale
models of the brain offer little value if the
system is not embedded in a physical world. It
is a first step in the right direction to examine
vision. The brain is an adaptive system which
becomes useless if it is cut off the environment.
This
Can we describe the mind as a society of agents?
Marvin Minsky has written a book about the topic, and
Steven Pinker speculates about it in How the Mind
works. How would the basic emotions we pain/displeasure
and joy/pleasure look like? How does self-consciousness
fit into this picture?
I have
I guess you mean the following article from AI Magazine:
From Society to Landscape: Alternative Metaphors for AI
http://www.aaai.org/ojs/index.php/aimagazine/article/viewFile/896/814
Interesting. I have read The society of Mind a few years ago
- at least large parts of it - and I don't remember
Yes, maybe creativity is the point where art, science and engineering meet
each other. To create a new piece of art, to find a new theory, and to find
a
new way to construct something is similar: it is difficult, it requires
experience
and sometimes luck, and it is often considered as a
Everything we do is only a recombination
or reuse of already existing tools,
techniques or substances. Even creative
insights only rely on already existing
thoughts and ideas.
What was special about Einstein and Newton
was perhaps that they were visionary: they
were able to recombine and
To prevent that the creativity discussion drowns in the archives
of the FRIAM mailing list, I have added a page about creativity
with the article from Orlando, some thoughts of Günther and
the definition from Larry to the Wiki:
http://sfcomplex.org/wiki/Creativity
-J.
@Don: What has happend to the sfComplex
Wiki? Like Nick I put some stuff in there to
stimulate interesting discussions, but the
Wiki suddenly vanished without a trace. It
reappeared under a different URL, without pictures.
Obviously there have been some upgrade/installation
problems. Is it save to
The LHC is out. The GAS is in
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/09/squirrel-smasher.html
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Where in the hype cycle are autonomous agents now?
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/18/where-are-we-in-the-hype-cycle/
They are quite popular for ABM, but for software development
purposes they seem to have disappeared. Are there any attempts
to use agents in cloud computing (perhaps together
The 2008 Midwest NKS Conference deals with
the questions What is Computation? How Does
Nature Compute?. Today I stumbled upon a temporary
page related to it containing some interesting resources
with preparatory material from Gregory Chaitin,
Seth Lloyd, Ed Fredkin and Stephen Wolfram.
Check it
Did you know that 8 out of 10 from the biggest
companies of the world live from oil or oil-consuming
products? I think the true crisis is still to come, see
http://blog.cas-group.net/2008/10/the-true-crisis-is-still-to-come/
-J.
Maybe it has to be close, because the media wants
it to be close. It has to be an exciting event
and a big show. The media wants to make lots of
money with it. It is like the Formula 1: if the
races are not exciting enough, simply the rules
are changed or the drivers are exchanged.
Why is
Interesting point. The church maybe deserves credit for Darwin, too
(and the british regime in India for Gandhi, the communist regime in the
Sovietunion
for Gorbachev, the apartheid regime in South Africa for Nelson Mandela,..)
Perhaps every great reformer needs a suppressing regime which goes
Yes, maybe, but in the eyes of the international
community George W. Bush has a disastrous image.
John Clesse has described it well here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR3eUjD6y6o
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I am currently trying to read Taleb's Black Swan.
Paul and Glen mentioned it earlier a few weeks ago,
and Russ said it has some nice points. So I read
the first chapter and thought well, interesting.
Then I read the second about Yevgenia Krasnova,
a fictional character which embodies his anger
Who said that cities are thriving places for humans?
I live in Berlin, which is not as big as London or
Tokio, but it is loud, crowded and polluted enough.
It is more exhausting than exciting to live here. Lots
of carcinogenic and pathogenic substances in the air.
You meet every day different
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Maybe interesting for the sfX ?
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/01/the_future_of_scienceis_art.php
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Thus spake Glen e. p. Ropella:
I think the question is ill-formed. Agent-based _models_ are just
models. The phrase agent-based model is context free, unlike physics or
biology. And without context, there isn't any one model that's more
fundamental than any other model.
Good point. In
Phylogenetic trees and cladistics are useful to
understand any evolutionary or complex adaptive
system. I am not sure if a phylogenetic tree for
ABMs itself makes sense. Of course we can try
to categorize them by a taxonomy. On the
NetLogo models pages we find the following
categories:
* Art
Maybe interesting for the SFComplex ?
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2009/01/painting_and_the_pleistocene_1.php
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Great, reminds me of this old joke about Referend Dan ..
Reverend Dan was selling his horse. He placed his add
in the paper and soon a buyer came calling. The buyer
looked over the horse and decided the price was right
for such a fine animal. Rev. Dan explained to the
gentleman that the horse
Interesting article. In principle, all the different sciences
are just one science at a different level of abstraction.
Would you agree with the following statements:
( weak and strong terms in the sense of
http://www.cas-group.net/wiki/Emergence )
A case of weak emergence requires a higher
: Ted Carmichael
To: Jochen Fromm
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:39 PM
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Hey, Jochen.
Yeah, I struggle with these definitions myself. I tend to think best with
examples and anecdotes, as opposed to abstractions. That is, I usually
understand
Some memes and social rituals can behave like group genes - for example the
ten commandments of the bible, or religions in general. They use groups as
throw-away vehicles to lever themselves into the next generation. The
founder of the Christian religion said For where two or three are gathered
The central property which emerges in markets is
the price. The central law which rules markets is
the law of supply and demand. A basic agent-based
model for markets should explain how both, the
price and the law of supply and demand, emerge
in competitive markets. It should be simple to
extend
I found this link on markets today: it says it is precisely the less complex
systems that can be planned and the more complex systems that must develop
spontaneously. Quite paradox.
http://www.libertarianism.org/ex-9.html
It says nothing about the invisible hand from Adam Smith, though. Do you
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That's true. Interesting observation.
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To: Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net
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Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 5:13 AM
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http://xkcd.com/574/
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If physics is so successfully described by mathematics
because the physical world is mathematical, and nearly
isomorphic to a mathematical structure, then maybe
complex systems are so successfully described by ABMs
because their are isomorphic to them, too. Complex systems,
especially social
I am currently reading a book about Alexander and
Wilhelm von Humboldt, two German scientists of the
19th century. Wilhelm von Humboldt founded the
Humboldt Universität 1810 in Berlin.
Recently you discussed a city university for Santa Fe.
In the 21st century, wouldn't it be nice to have a real
The FRIAM Lists seems to focus itself more and more
about local topics related to Santa Fe (i.e. food and Italian
restaurants, the city university of Santa Fe, ..).
Therefore I have created a new mailing list about
Complex Adaptive Systems (CAS) and related topics:
agent-based models, complex
Exactly, I think it is a useless and void concept if one defines it in
this way. It makes sense the other way round: the stronger the
emergence, the weaker the causal dependence.
Yet although we agree there is no mysterious downward causation,
we can without doubt consciously influence the
The question was why do many of us have the
belief that they can move their body in a certain
direction if they want to do it voluntarily or
consciously? The belief must be based on a perception
of a process or interaction. If downward causation
is like self-consciousness an illusion, then what
Your paper Intentionality is the Mark of the Vital
seems to fit better. It argues that it is unnecessary to
reconcile the mental with the material if we consider the
mental as intentional, and gives the example
A did D because A desired (wanted, believed..) [x]
For example I can move my arm
That's true, but another fundamental feature of metaphors
is the insight they provide by understanding one thing
in terms of another.
I think it is this double aspect of metaphors which is
partly responsible for the puzzling feeling caused by
self-consciousness.
-J.
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You are talking about the list as if it is a single
entity (let us see how 'the list' responds), although
it is composed of several independent individuals:
Russ, Stephen, Glen, Douglas, to name a few.
Can we think of the mind as a similar kind of
list or group, which is composed of several
In this post, Eliezer Yudkowsky argues that it is
futile to use the word emergence. Do you agree?
http://lesswrong.com/lw/iv/the_futility_of_emergence/
-J.
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Already Aristotle knew emergence:
he said the whole is sometimes more
than the sum of its parts (*). Do we
get the essence of emergence if we
take the whole minus the parts?
(*) He considered the question of unity
for aggregated things which have
several parts and in which the
totality is
I guess this is not what Shakespeare had in mind, but in complexity theory,
the whole is typically more than the parts. For example if we take a team or
group, and remove all the members, we are left with the common intentions
and beliefs (for example the common vision or the shared goal),
Today I stumbled upon this link from John Resig,
the creator and lead developer of jQuery:
http://ejohn.org/blog/web-workers/
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Too many branches are confusing in both version controls,
in SVN and Git alike. Both are doing basically the same thing
(like Test::Unit and RSpec). It is easy to make a new branch
in SVN, too, but the problems arise if you make different
changes in different branches. It is confusing to have
This is an interesting use of manifold.
In mathematics, a manifold has a well-defined
meaning. The structure of a manifold
is encoded by a collection of charts that form
an atlas. A chart is a mapping between the
manifold and a simple (euclidean) space, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold
A manifold can be described as a
complex patchwork made of many patches.
If we try to describe self-consciousness
as a manifold then we get
- the patch of a strange loop
associated with insight in confusion
(according to Douglas Hofstadter)
- the patch of an imaginary
center of narrative
I am currently reading the Shakespeare
biography from Peter Ackroyd. While reading this
interesting work, I wondered if agent based models
and plays can be considered as two extremes on
one scale. In both we witness the outcome of a
small number of agents or actors interacting
with each other
Yes, every performance of a play is in fact a
bit different, but the outcome is always the same.
I was more interested in the question if plays
can be considered as a kind of model for systems
with complex BDI agents and abstract rules.
If a developer programs an object-oriented system,
he
Russ, what's the matter with you? Why being so rude and evil?
I personally don't like arrogant people, even worse are arrogant
and ignorant people. The response from Eric was neither, he
was polite and tried to be helpful. I can see nothing wrong
with that. How can we know what you want to do if
Here is a list of 40 good Psychology blogs,
which Psychology blogs do you read regularly?
http://www.spring.org.uk/2009/07/40-superb-psychology-blogs.php
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I guess he means the Italian author Umberto Eco.
In a 1995 essay Eternal Fascism, Eco attempts to
list general properties of fascist ideology. I would add
lack of differentiation, uncontrolled growth beyond
the normal limits, invasion of adjacent systems, and
generally malignant, agressive
Even if you have solved the problem of emergence
(was there any?) and all problems related to it,
are you sure that people want it to be solved?
90% of papers on complexity and social simulation
explicitly refer to emergence, i.e. emergent
processes, properties, dynamics, and patterns.
If you
So the insight you have brought to the world is
that the best way to understand emergence is through
the lens of implementation - emergent properties can
be described as a high level abstraction which is
implemented by low level elements. Right?
It seems to me that you have just invented a new
What about Transmogrifier? I guess this is not word you
have been looking for, but did you that a Transmogrifier is
indeed a small “wrapper” method used to propagate a
method/property implemented in another subsidiary object?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmogrifier_(computer_science)
-J.
It is true, many terms in Psychology and Sociology
are abstract and unreal. You mentioned personality,
extroversion, emotional intelligence, in-group preference,..
For social systems, many abstract concepts like
power and freedom become concrete, observable and
measurable phenomena if we consider
In Physics, energy, mass, force and momentum are abstract
terms, too, but they have a concrete mathematical meaning.
We model physical processes as interactions among
variables. Unless we don't use mathematical equations
like F=ma, the terms remain unreal, abstract and vague.
In Sociology and
Fact is: there was a strong hype around H1N1,
although H1N1 itself is known since 1976.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza#1976_U.S._outbreak
And there are large pharmaceutical companies
who are very interested in informing the public
how dangerous H1N1 is. Hoffmann-La Roche produces
The Economist has interesting articles
about cloud computing and the end of an era
in computing (by the way the Eucalyptus cloud
seems to offer the same API as Amazon EC2).
Clash of the clouds
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14637206
Battle of the clouds
Nick, what do you think as a Psychologist
of Baars's Global Workspace Theory where
he explores the consciousness is a theater
metaphor? Is this a modern perspective
suitable for a computational model to bridge
the gap betwen Psychology and Neuroscience?
Do you think there is a layer or mesh
There is a difference between Dennett and Baars,
Dennett says the theater metaphor is not useful
to understand consciousness. He argues in
consciousness explained what consciousness
is not: it is not happening in a Catesian theater
where a single person, the self, sits before a
large stage or
Yes. You can find the text of his 1988 book
A cognitive theory of consciousness there.
I borrowed it this week from the university
library (we have got a new one here in Berlin,
see here http://bit.ly/2ELIaK ).
The theory seems to be rather weak,
I think the best thing in his theory is the
, in both of them there are
always a lot of people watching (the
unconscious elements), and only a
few are moving around in the spotlight
(the conscious ones).
-J.
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Cc: The Friday Morning Applied
Cool, do you remember the time with Andy
Hertzfeld, Bill Atkinson and Steve Jobs? Recently
I read one of the biographies about Steve Jobs
(Icon from Jeffrey Young and William L. Simon).
Both Hertzfeld and Atkinson are mentioned in the book,
but no word of Owen Densmore. They must have missed
Here is another picture
http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?project=Macintoshgallery=1
Somehow Steve Jobs got all the money,
Andy Hertzfeld and Bill Atkinson
got all the glory, and you got all
the hard work? What a distribution.
My first task in my first job after
university was working
Nice video. How small our pale blue dot is..
The number of spiral arms in the Milky Way seems
to be too small, and it is missing the central bar.
The real Milky Way looks more like this
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050825.html
-J.
Merlin Donald makes in his book
A mind so rare (p.100) an interesting
comparison of astronomy with neuroanatomy:
The brain's three-dimensional complexity
makes its examination and its visualization
very difficult. In comparison, the ancient
astronomers had it easy. They recorded and
rerecorded
A new MAS book from Yoav Shoham
and Kevin Leyton-Brown, published by
Cambridge University Press in 2009:
http://www.masfoundations.org/download.html
Jose M. Vidal has also written a similar
book about the Fundamentals of MAS here
(with NetLogo examples)
Maybe this link is useful? Computing in the Cloud for Cancer
http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2010/01/cloudcancer.php
-J.
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There is an interesting new book from Steven Strogatz
named The Calculus of Friendship
(Princeton University Press, 2009)
http://bit.ly/3r2Ifz
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Have you heard of this? A bored bank
employee is looking at nude photos
of Miranda Kerr live on TV..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfX0yHTztNg
..maybe time to get a laptop?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYjL5SiFSsA
-J.
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This illustration of Manhattan's population
reminds me of an MRI scan. What do you think,
can we draw any connection between cities and
complex adaptive systems in general? They
consume resources and produce waste, grow
and pulsate rhythmically, just like a living organism..
In a recent washingtonpost.com article named
Erasing our innovation deficit ( http://bit.ly/cG6vGW )
Eric Schmidt said
We have been world leaders in [technological]
innovation for generations. It has driven our
economy, employment growth and our rising prosperity.
[..] We can no longer rely on
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