My niece, a wonderful single mother, supporting her child by
running a day-care program that works with other working
mother's children, sent me this little story. Her parents work
two jobs as teachers and work in the civil service while they
have put their four children through school and two
I wonder if it doesn't start in our families. I have a lot of successful
relatives who have made it through hard work and connections with
the fundamentalist Christian groups. They are convinced that
large
sectors of the world are evil and find no problem with doing evil to
them.
On the other
Since I already answered your current post in one you supposedly
commented on (see below) I won't say more about that.
However,
I would suggest that those in love with the private school system
go teach in it for awhile. I have, as has my sister. She
finally joined
the hierarchical Catholic
ust like
it
does ill-prepared R R "artists".
You know Harry, I was always taught to be non confrontational, but
it really is fun over here on the dark side. You just have to
make sure
that your off-spring are as plenteous as the leaves on the trees.
REH
Harry Pollard wrote:
Ray E.
Good to see you back.
Ray
Steve Kurtz wrote:
I couldn't quickly determine which date this appeared, but it seems
recent.
Steve
CPI REPORT DID NOT
INCLUDE ENERGY COSTS
By JOHN CRUDELE
NY POST
Did Washington eliminate the rising price of oil from
the last Consumer Price Index?
If
Well, it had to come to this when the road was taken by the West that
relations with an object as a physical extension of the slave was the
meaning of life rather than the growth of consciousness. Poor Maslow
got the credit due to the fact that his Western readers saw his diagram
as steps rather
e. I would recommend them all as an antidote
to
the controlled press.
All and many others are available from Amazon.com
Regards,
REH
"Brad McCormick, Ed.D." wrote:
"Ray E. Harrell" wrote:
>
> It is because I admire Brad that I continue this and he
> may answer what
It is because I admire Brad that I continue this and he
may answer what I say but I can speak only from my own
perceptions in my work and life and the experience of
those perceptions. So here goes but I cannot continue
the discussion beyond this post.
Ray
"Brad McCormick, Ed.D." wrote:
(snip) If
"Brad McCormick, Ed.D." wrote:
(snip)
.) Robert Musil's vision of a world in which "mystical experience"
would be rescued from the muddled hocus-pocus of fuzzy feelings
and [what *would* Musil have thought of these folks?!]
new-Age-ers, et al., etc. -- and "the mystical"
realized by each of us
Ramble or Bramble?
"If it works it must all fit together." Globalization
from the top down is
like politics and religion from the top down, the brutality is often
the only thing that makes it work. Sort of like the gravediggers
who smash coffins to make them fit in concrete crypts to "protect"
I think this goes a little deeper. Medicine like charity, theoretical
art,
scientific research and space exploration have a problem with profit.
The physical "worth" of the marketplace rarely accrues to the creator,
discoverer or practitioner of the profession. An exception
being
surgeons in the
Good point. I believe that Mike Hollinshead was the first to point
this out to me. I think that it will take a correlation of all of the
external factors with requisite comparisons before serious conclusions
can be drawn. Of course if you define the parameters you can
prove almost anything by
I know this is yours Victor but: Also Sally where is my post where
I
answered point counterpoint Harry's questions? Meanwhile---
Harry Pollard wrote:
Victor wrote:
>I am by no means a communist or socialist, but this looks like
>propaganda-sriven tunnel vision to me. Comments follow.
I
My apologies to the list for not being able to punch the
spellcheck button on the last two posts. It's the Neurontin.
Makes me woozy but fun.
Ray
Harry Pollard wrote:
One major warning! Socialism and Communism and their
spin-offs have proven
themselves to be hopeless at increasing production. The international
conferences to "solve the problems" are loaded who want to "provide
proper
services".
Hello Harry,
Long time no read but you are
Keith Hudson wrote:
I disagree here. If you were selecting for resourcefulness
alone, yes. But
the basic elements of a techno-culture, like all culture, is laid down
so
early in a child's life, that street kids wouldn't have a chance of
establishing a toehold in a high-tech society. However, if
You're welcome Ed. Just a few further thoughts.
Ray
Ed Goertzen wrote:
==Ed G said:
Many thanks to Ray for his detailed answer.
(snip)
Ed said; I have to agree with Kazantzakis. In an excellent book by David
Astle "Babalonian Woe" (Copyright 1975) he traces
the causes of conflicts
It ain't necessarily so!
REH
Keith Hudson wrote:
Happy New Year to all FWers. (I'm assuming that Futurework is operational
now!) Here's something I wrote over the break and which will appear in a
new type of Internet encyclopedia starting in about a month
(www.calus.org)
Chris,
Are you serious about this?There are a lot of Scientologists in
the arts and I don't find them anymore of a problem than the regular
church groups with calls for public support in sending the poor to
parochial schools.Can Scientology be any worse than church abused
orphans of a
Been away at my Mother's funeral and had the opportunity to sit down and
read this conversation almost from beginning to end.
Yes Tim there is an excellent archive very easily accessed.
I followed each post with a kind of admiration for the various positions
but basically it seems in my
This has been a wonderful conversation. I would like to add my two
cents which is not much different but is some. Esther Dyson on that
URL that I posted earlier, makes a point about value that is very much
in keeping with the mentality of TV and the defense industries. Because
we cannot truly
http://www.eff.org/pub/Publications/Esther_Dyson/ip_on_the_net.article
Mark R Measday wrote:
(from the futurework list)
Mr Harrell,
Do you have the relevant URL?
"Ray E. Harrell" wrote:on that
URL that I posted earlier, makes a point about value that is very much
http://www.selectsmart.com/
Here is a little site that tests your views on political issues.
Check it out.
REH
Tom,
Thanks for your compliments. I would like to point out a
couple of things from my own discipline. There is such a thing
as stylistic convention. French Style is a coherency that is
different from German or Italian. Before the abuse of "convention"
and its subversion into a primitive
John,
You make a very good case for not paying composers, painters,
movie directors and other artists.Which is what has happened in the
U.S William Baumol has a paper on the NYU Economics site about
the problem of "spillovers" which means that the person who comes up
with an idea
"Ray E. Harrell" wrote:
Correction paragraph five should read:
They were tired of governmental and societal activities that imposed
uncompensated costs upon themselves even though their work was
being used and forced them to make a living in other than their
expertise.
(negative ext
Why?
You seem to have a lot to say. In fact reading more
in the form of some extended writing or a graphic or
two seems reasonable. Junk mail should be junked
and I do. I never open an attachment from someone
that I do not know. I don't like bugs. But the limitations of
my lists often
I believe this list has ban on attachments.
As for web sites, I rarely look since I find the
content is often more out of context than a dialogue on
list. An attachment is to me, a footnote which may or
may not be opened.I often do not open it if the
person has convinced me that they are
Hi Mike,
Are the Germans still buying up Nova Scotia?
REH
Michael Spencer wrote:
"john courtneidge" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One ?significant? comparison between the US and Canada lies inthe
Constitutions:
* The US focus on "Life, liberty and the pusuit of happiness."
As
Well Jolly Roger. I love New York and enjoyed Canada.
The point should be made that Germaine Greer lives and
has worked in Tulsa for years. I kiss the ground every time
I get off the plane from the narrow focused fundamentalism
of my home state and I graduated from the school where
Greer now
It all sounds to me like a bunch of Easter Islanders arguing over the
value of a statue while the wood diminishes.
REH
Christoph Reuss wrote:
Franklin Wayne Poley asked:
Two questions: (1) In Switzerland do workfare recipients have as much
choice in their workfare situations as other
As far as I'm concerned Cook got what he deserved.
So why not learn how to balance books instead of destroy
in order to consume?
Learn the meaning of the wheel of balance instead of
nailing yourself to it.
REH
Christoph Reuss wrote:
It all sounds to me like a bunch of Easter Islanders
I just watched a racist piece this morning at the
American Theater Alliance about Indian killers of
"White Children."The crowd wept as the
pregnant Mother escaped the savages and swam
the raging torrent to find her husband.
But then there is this post which seems to say
that the benevolent
Anne,
These communities, like my home community, were not
originally single industry communities but were made so
by the loss of the children to the cities and the tendency
for companies like Phillips Petroleum (in my case) to
eliminate the competition to reduce costs.
I would suggest your
For those who find themselves opposed to Indian Gaming
but support the idea of the Stock Market I would suggest a
read at the following site.
http://www.health-and-freedom.com/sg/
REH
To the list:
Here is an article that confirms what I have been saying
on the list about the impracticality of modern economic
theory and the cultural chaos that surrounds it. But
first as a prologue.
In his discussion of evolution Dr. Leonard Schlain
points out the reason for the primacy of
S. Lerner wrote:
Searchable archives for the Futurework list are available at
http://www.mail-archive.com/futurework%40dijkstra.uwaterloo.ca/
Wow! did I have a good time. These are great.
I followed a thread that had answers that I had never
read because.. This is really wonderful
To the list,
I agree about making the archives more usable. I have
found the hyper-mail functions of the Learning Org. list
to be very handy when researching or keeping a
thought going. It also saves me space on my hard drive.
However there is one drawback. Britton's comments
about
bad.
2. The people at IBM years ago referred to thier system
as corporate socialism. I suspect that is what this
current system is since someone IS paying the bill
somewhere.
REH
Brad McCormick, Ed.D. wrote:
Ray E. Harrell wrote:
Just a question. Who pays the salaries for all
Just a question. Who pays the salaries for all of these
folks doing free things and giving up their ideas for nothing?
We give $123,000 in scholarship awards to worthy
students and art projects but someone always pays
the bill. People do have to eat.
Also the first post that ascribed this to
An interesting post Chris,
I feel like the average driver who wants his "dictulena" car
to get him to and from work while talking to a race car
mechanic about his problems with General Motors.
I believe it is General Motor's purpose to build a universe
where their products are the simplest and
Christoph Reuss wrote:
(snip)
Then again, the basic idea of the Internet was to enable *all* computers
and OS's (from different manufacturers) to work together -- if they *adopt*
the common standards, instead of "embraceextend"ing them in order to
*hijack* (aka proprietarize) these
Barry Brooks wrote:
(SNIP)
Speculators, bandits, and other short-term thinkers and hyper-active
bean-counters should not be allowed to run the country.
Fortunately or unfortunately in the Western world sincethe Spanish kicked out
the Moors and absorbed Al Jabar,
only that which could be
Douglas P. Wilson wrote:
(snip)
It might help if I use (and abuse) a metaphor from the days of logical
positivism. Let us imagine our society (and system) as a boat
floating in the middle of the ocean.
I would prefer thinking of it as a body that contains all of thepersonalities that
Christoph Reuss wrote:
REH wrote:
We all notice the immense contradiction between
people greedily taking everything they can, declaring
that everyone is only responsible to themselves while
building an internet of sites where the "butterfly effect"
is more the rule than their hyper
Robert,
I'm sure there are many people testing their
machines. What I am doing now is to be sure
that my clock registers the correct time and date,
no matter what, if I am sending an e-mail.
Like any disease, finding the beginning of it is
interesting but not much practical use other than
as
According to the Danish therapists that I once shared a
therapy supervision group with, "Bullshit" means something
different to Danes than to Americans. Their quality of
swearing was more calm, usual and commonplace than
the American therapists in the group, myself included.
I noted the
I've been listening to the government on Y2K committee.
Maybe Nostra what's his name had something.
The don't have any idea and they are doing nothing.
REH
I said:
First, it is NOT the issue you are describing. It is the abrogation of
legal contracts that were ignored by
looters and brigands who found their way into the
government. Many of those people's children today
are living off of the fruits of that theft.
Brad replied:
Victor, I think I answered all of this in my post to Brad.
I think that it is strange for economists to mix responsibility
for felonies up with financial responsibility for illegality in
the observance of valid contracts between large political
and corporate entitites. Even an artist such as
Brad McCormick, Ed.D. wrote:
Permit me to insert, in medias res, a concern I have:
Ed Weick wrote:
REH not Ed wrote this
Too bad they can't assess liability for lost families,
intellectual capital, land use ideas etc. It seems to
me that you are using the rules of a divorce
Hi Brad,
Thanks for your post. I'm working on my return but it
will be a little while. As for monoculture I would say that
it is not so much that they had corn soup but that the
culture of McDonald's may or may not be close to the
Japanese and the issue is whether the Japanese can
absorb
Too bad they can't assess liability for lost families,
intellectual capital, land use ideas etc. It seems to
me that you are using the rules of a divorce without
separating.
Better you start with the ideas of justice
and the rule of law as defined by both groups. The
truth is that one group
This is a long document. If you are not up for it,
then accept my apologies and skip it. REH
Well Ed and Keith, if I don't answer these things then
people believe they are true. And there is a lot of
just plain old economic paternalism in your post.
Consider how there is very little
First:
Ed Weick wrote:
Ray,
I do accept your point, but I was not concerned with the arts when I used
the term 'romanticize'. I simply meant that one must avoid portraying
aboriginal Americans, or any people, as having a special wisdom or
nobility -- as being "the noble savage".
The
Ed,
Your comments about romantic are confusing
to me as an artist. Romanticism has a highly specific
meaning to me. Emerson for example was a romantic,
does that mean that his observations are untrue or
untrustworthy? The root of the word in Art goes back
to the Greek duality of Dionysus
Most interesting. Sounds like an old artist's maxim,
"you either can do it or you can't."
Now how do you learn to do it?
Is it the small bits of information like numbers,
writing or other academic standards arrived at
through the necessity to teach mass education to
massive groups of people?
Hey guys,
You did get the context of Ed's statement right?
I've been giving Ed a lot of guff about his economic
theories effecting how he reads history apart from the
facts but I would never see him as an arch-conservative
neo-fascist. Or a Clintonian political thermometer.
Ed, you were not
How's your library Keith?
The issue with all of this is that it is inaccurate. I grew up
in an indigenous community. My sister is Aleut and an
actress with the likes of Peter Brook, Andre Serban etc.
has played Clytemnestra with them, helped bring a Aleut
Antigone from Upik to New York City
Ed,
I am a private entrepreneur who must examine
everything in order to survive, however you could
help on this if when you say:
Hi Ray,
I won't comment on Marx or Keynes except to say that your library book has
wronged them both.
1. you explained what you meant about the
Robert,
My library book on Keynsian economics says basically
the same thing. If your economy is in trouble start a war.
(I can hear the apologist's keyboards rattle, "Marx
wasn't an economist and Keynes didn't mean it.")
One of the things that no one would consider (because
it doesn't fit,
Chris, that's not cynicism, that's business. One of the
reasons they can downsize so easily is because of the
excess they hire. All of these exercises with numbers,
hours, and work weeks are just more of the same. The
size of the company separates you so much from those
who truly control the
Brad McCormick, Ed.D. wrote:
Ray E. Harrell wrote:
Brad McCormick, Ed.D. wrote:
Ray E. Harrell wrote:
[snip]
I'm reminded of a friend doing research on fish behaviorat the New York
Museum of Natural History. He is a
psychologist and quit the team because he said that he
LEADERSHIP AND COMPETENCY
I have typed in portions of an article by the complexity scholar
John Warfield with his permission to share. I think it bears
on the pedagogy of the first part of leadership, the ability to
see the levels of complication connected to the team's
incompetencies
Brad McCormick, Ed.D. wrote:
Ray E. Harrell wrote:
[snip]
Rowe's comments about the ivory tower of economics
resonated well with me because I belong to an "illegitimate"
profession
[snip]
I think Foucault pretty well exposed the nature of professional
"legitimacy
Having grown up on the reservation which was the number one
toxic waste dump in America (Super-fund), where the houses
just dropped into cave-ins with people in them and where
the largest Indian nation West of the Mississippi River
and who had owned the state of Arkansas (correct pronunciation
Report from the NYTimes 7/14/99
Report Says Profit-Making Health Plans Damage Care
July 14, 1999
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Issue in Depth: Health Care
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Join a Discussion on Health Care Reform
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
Objective history, that grand imagined jewel of the Western
literary world was given a lesson in Oklahoma last month
when the Thunderbeings sent 78 tornados to remind we
informationed folks that new is "great." That only the
mountains last forever and that the development of individual
and
are
impractical. Instead I feel it to be a point of emphasis..
Consider,
Ray E. Harrell wrote:
I've been away so I'm not sure whether this is old turf or not
on this issue.
(Ditto)
1. As a performing artist who deals with the meaning of words
on the stage I find literacy useful in three
Hi Tom,
Sitting here with a computer that more resembles a "Hot
Rod" and that makes me very sorry not to have taken the
auto mechanics course that my mother insisted upon and
I resisted. Sitting here with a machine that is not made
by a big monopoly or with a decent warrenty. A machine
that
I've been away so I'm not sure whether this is old turf or not
on this issue.
1. As a performing artist who deals with the meaning of words
on the stage I find literacy useful in three ways.
a. as a substitute for a poor memory
b. as a way of transmitting rudimentary information
over
When the regular business organizations and wall street
became involved in Not-for-profit companies, in this
case recording projects a few years back, for the purpose
of having a business write-off as well as hiding funds, the
Congress passed a law which made such practices illegal.
It hurt all
S. Lerner wrote:
From: "vivian Hutchinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(snip)
FROM JOB TO PROFESSION
by Andrew Kimbrell
*The word job in English originally meant a criminal or
demeaning action. (We retain this meaning when we call a bank
robbery a "bank job.") After the industrial
Christoph Reuss wrote:
Ed Weick replied:
How beautifully smug! I understand that your bankers made quite a lot of
money from the gold and jewelry that the Nazis took from death-camp victims.
Europe, if you read its history, was a cesspool of wars, repressions and
mass
To Futurework, Sally, Arthur, you can cut this if you wish but
I have decided that a serious talk from the heart and from our
lives about the future life and death issues that face us, all provide
an opportunity that should not be missed. Michel's posts to me
have convinced me that, for me, it
I intended to post the article about the movies running to Canada
but Arthur beat me to the punch, so how about this article about
how logical and scientific we are and how up to date out
blessed institutions happen to be. Several years ago it was
noted in the NYTimes that the head of major
Chris you said:
Greetings from a multi-cultural European country
that had _2_ short (defense) wars in the last 500 years
(but I guess this can't be read in your informative NYT),
What country is that? Where does it get it's wealth? Do
they immigrate people to America? If so, why?
So I bought a computer through a local business, (across the street).
Paid much more, expecting good service but his service turned out
to be more expensive than Gateway or Dell and the computer has
defective parts. I leased it (bought it on time) and in four years will
have paid more than I
Michel,
I have written you in the past about my admiration for your IMF
analysis of the Yugoslav breakup but since that time have spoken
with my Slovenian relatives. They are not upset. They are quite
happy to be separate from it all. They also seem happy to give
up their universal health
Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
Good questions and the ones parliamentarians are paid to talk about. I'm
not sure if I agree with the use of Canadian Forces or not in Yugoslavia.
How could I decide except on some very basic emotional level unless we are
told by Parliament what the PRINCIPLES
I just talked to my Congressman's office and they said that it wasn't true,
that there was no bill or plans for one to do such. Where did this come
from?Who is this webmaster?Are we encountering another piece of
libertarian nonsense meant to disrupt the flow of information in
A little fun from one of my favorite writers on science, life and attitudes.
REH
Questioning the calendar
A skeptic confronts the millennium
By Stephen Jay Gould
Feb. 26 We have a false impression, buttressed by some
famously exaggerated testimony, that the universe runs with
the
Hi Mike,
This is a very interesting post. I find it the most interesting in how
you are traversing the path of traditional Native American Plain's Myth in
your forms. The net for example is the traditional form of Spider Woman
and is considered essentially feminine in nature.
Amongst the
Me too. I used to breed dogs. I had Collies first then Shelties, Miniature
Schnauzers and Bichon Frises. Many times the behavior of an animal can be
traced to an owner and the environment he created but this is not always the
case. Especially with the smaller inbred species there have
To the list:
I tried sending a picture but obviously that doesn't work. I guess it's just
"too big", I mean too much memory for the list or servers.Anyone who wants
one just ask and I will try sending it to you. Eva, did you get the picture?
Now as for Eva, Ed, Jay, Arthur, Sally, Mike
I wrote to my friend John:
The problem of health, commodities, the left vs.
the right, or the mental models that we bring to
these discussions seems to be making people angry
everywhere .The future of work is an
interesting thought except everyone only seems to
want to discuss
Durant wrote:
I asked for a contribution in the above themes from a friend of
mine who happens to be hungarian, married to an
English chap and a socialist, quite like me...
Be sure - there are more useful work-related information
here that in a lot of other posts!
For some reason she
The problem of health, commodities, the left vs.
the right, or the mental models that we bring to
these discussions seems to be making people angry
everywhere .The future of work is an
interesting thought except everyone only seems to
want to discuss the future of their work or their
Just be sure you don't heat it.As I found out heat or micro-waves
kill enzymes.
REH
pete wrote:
Michael Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Um, this is straying kinda far off topic, but when Pete Vincent wrote:
As to "cellulosic biomass", that is protein,...
I hope you were making
Lazy Fare is not always going to be free but today
they can't
give it away.They've been putting the Rupert
Murdoch NYPost sleaze
rag on my doorstep for over a month now and I have
told them that it
embarrasses me in front of the neighbors but they
just won't stop.
Now they're putting the same
Thanks for the reply
Eva Durant wrote:
Religious people believe in a god, whether
it is a literal one with beard or an abstract
one that supposed to be symbolising some
sort of human feeling/thinking/valuing.
There is nothing abstract about Ultimate Concern withthat which is Ultimate in
Durant wrote:
REH
Never having lived in Marxist Communism I am sure that is true however:
Here we go again... Ray, nobody yet lived in Marxist Communism,
what's more, not one of the pseudo-socialist countries/ex-leaders claimed
that their countries were Marxist Communist. Not even
Victor Milne wrote:
I heard one programmer discussing it on radio several
months ago, and he said that often when they find a date field, it's
difficult to understand how the routine containing it interacts with other
parts of the program. The work has been automated to some extent by
Christoph Reuss wrote:
Yeah, we creative types really dream of the end of 'wage slavery' !
I could spend years and years only with creative hobbies, NGO volunteering
and the Net, but alas, the 'job' work gets in the way most of the time.
However, in a part of the NGO work I got to know a
Thomas Lunde wrote:
(snip)
As I look at the ads of training schools, I do not see
an offers for training to become a Y2K correction specialist and most
courses in their outlines do not even mention the need to become expert in
Y2K problems. Second question - what is going on in the
Christoph Reuss wrote:
Let's analyze this (it does fit together): Conventional ovens heat the
food from outside to inside, so the pathogens INside ground meat survive
if you don't cook it long enough. Microwave ovens heat the food from
inside to outside, so the pathogens on the _surface_
Brian McAndrews wrote:
(snip) I remember reading an article where a leading
researcher in chemotherapy developed cancer and chose not to go through the
standard chemo process. He said he knew too much.
Education's a B__! as they say here on the streets of NYCity.Thanks for the
Sorry folks, I reread this post and had to correct the multiple errors.
This is the corrected version.
REH
Brian McAndrews wrote:
Hi Ray, I learned a very important lesson from 4 Mohawk women who I was
privileged to teach a few years ago. They told me that in their culture,
when a person
Eva Durant wrote:
reality is a word symbol for what we believe is out there.
no, it was/is/will be there whether we believe it or not.
By reality I mean the physical world and all it's past
present and future variable permutations.
We have different perceptions and beliefs, but
as
Well, I usually find myself agreeing with Arthur but coming from that group
that you all are lionizing, I would have to respectfully disagree. The issue
for me is life experience, education and professionalism.The issue with
U.S. politicians is one of time. American Politicians are elected
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