Am 2007-04-29 18:37:40, schrieb Oliver Bandel:
You are working on the fvwm-manpage?
Not realy on the manpages. I take the Manpages and try to get good
examples into to crate my own Documentation
If so, then it's clear that you read it already, and understand anything ;-)
No, I do not know
Am 2007-04-26 13:31:52, schrieb Oliver Bandel:
A book would be only the fvwm2 manpage but printed with
some additional examples.
Do you really think so?
Currently I am looking for some better examples to the manpages
an sections since I have found some nice configs from others...
(better
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 06:11:53PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2007-04-26 13:31:52, schrieb Oliver Bandel:
A book would be only the fvwm2 manpage but printed with
some additional examples.
Do you really think so?
Currently I am looking for some better examples to the manpages
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 04:29:35PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2007-04-19 21:46:40, schrieb Oliver Bandel:
You also readand re-readthe manpages? ;-)
Yes, since I have reformated and printed out the whole fvwm manpages...
=8O
Can you provide them for other people,
so that they
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 04:40:38PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Hallo Berliner... :-)
Hallo Strasbourgerin ;-)
Am 2007-04-19 21:50:45, schrieb Oliver Bandel:
Hello, Mr. Hardcore ;)
Misses Hardcore bitte...
Tshuldigung!
Michelle ist ein weiblicher Vorname.
Ok, j.
On Thu,
Am 2007-04-19 21:46:40, schrieb Oliver Bandel:
You also readand re-readthe manpages? ;-)
Yes, since I have reformated and printed out the whole fvwm manpages...
=8O
A good bookwill be read once, and people got it.
Manpages too...
A manpage is a different thing, and all too often
Must be
Hallo Berliner... :-)
Am 2007-04-19 21:50:45, schrieb Oliver Bandel:
Hello, Mr. Hardcore ;)
Misses Hardcore bitte...
Michelle ist ein weiblicher Vorname.
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:42:48PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Manpages are for DETAIL.
Learning a new thing requires OVERVIEW!!!
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:29:35 +0200
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read menus/SSH.items
Read menus/SSH.styles
Qualifying that as:
$./menus/SSH.items
certainly wouldn't be a bad thing.
I tell you, that you will run in over 70% of all fvwm (re)starts into
troubles... Why?
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:40:38 +0200
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A book would be only the fvwm2 manpage but printed with
some additional examples.
On the contrary, this is not the case at all. There's so many facets of
FVWM that can be explained in a lot of detail that just
Hello,
Though I am not willing to take part into this both because people
have already discussed it many times (Fernando was right ;-) ), I
would like to react to the following.
04/24/07, Michelle Konzack :
A good bookwill be read once, and people got it.
Manpages too...
A manpage is a
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Julien Guertault wrote:
Why would not a book presenting a few of the main features of fvwm be
worth it?
It depends what you mean by book. If you mean a printed thing which has
to be bought in a bookshop paying money, I doubt me (or my organization)
will ever consider it
On 4/19/07, Thomas Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tend to get very bored of writing and explaining things to do with
FVWM since it falls on deaf ears -- people just don't seem to want to
read at all.
Yeah, and then there us old farts that started out with twm and tvwm (oh joy)
The manual page
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Oliver Bandel wrote:
BTW: In the xconfig-file there first is started
fvwm, then xclock, two xterms, xeyes,
and finally (without ) a xterm,
with title login.
When I finish the login-xterm, X will shutdown.
I do not know what xconfig-file is. Anyhow a
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:31:02 +0200 (CEST)
Lucio Chiappetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do not know about fvwm-config, I use .fvwm2rc
fvwm-config is an easily overlooked tool which details specific
components of your FVWM installation.
In my InitFunction I have all what I need permanently
You
Hi Lucio,
Am 2007-04-17 17:32:09, schrieb Lucio Chiappetti:
I do not fully agree. Could we say, if they don't return they do not
deserve fvwm ? I was once a beginner, and probably still use less than 30%
of fvwm feature, however I was quite determined in what I was wanting (not
KDE,
Hello *,
Am 2007-04-17 11:23:29, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
From my experience with users new to FVWM, there's no easy way for them
to create a config that is usable and looks good. They don't spend the
time needed and therefore get a bad taste in their mouth and don't
return.
I was
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 12:44:22PM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
[...]
OK, I really found such a renaming-stuff
in my .bashrc.
I commented it out and now the windows have
different names.
But not one is there that is titled foo1.
I had a typo in my fvwm-config and had written
exex
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:31:02PM +0200, Lucio Chiappetti wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Oliver Bandel wrote:
BTW: In the xconfig-file there first is started
fvwm, then xclock, two xterms, xeyes,
and finally (without ) a xterm,
with title login.
When I finish the
Is there no book on fvwm?
There is, but it is formatted as a manpage :)
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:47:56PM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Is there no book on fvwm?
(One, which covers the today versions of fvwm...)
No, but I have been wanting to write one for a few years now.
Maybe reading the sourceode is necessary?!
No.
What I'm missing in the introductional
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:42:53PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Hi Lucio,
Am 2007-04-17 17:32:09, schrieb Lucio Chiappetti:
I do not fully agree. Could we say, if they don't return they do not
deserve fvwm ? I was once a beginner, and probably still use less than 30%
of fvwm feature,
Hello, Mr. Hardcore ;)
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:42:48PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Hello *,
Am 2007-04-17 11:23:29, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
From my experience with users new to FVWM, there's no easy way for them
to create a config that is usable and looks good. They don't spend
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
Elliot Sowadsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
Perhaps the default config should have everything rather than nothing.
It's easier to remove features you dont like than to add what you
dont know how.
What does everything means? Everything for you?
--- Jesús Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Well, it depends what do you have in mind... Are you talking about some
demo videos or something like that? Or some 5-in-1 kind-of config? The
former is partially achieved at:
...
I wasn't thinking about videos - although that's an
On 09:51 Wed 18 Apr , Richard Humphreys wrote:
I'm talking about simpler things. Instead of supplying one
config, supply a dozen or so - simply demonstrating the the modules that come
with fvwm and showing what they can do.
I have a setup for this on my old laptop. It maps a key chord to a
On 4/17/07, Oliver Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:22:12PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:02AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Hello,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
http://www.zensites.net/fvwm/guide/
What I
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:51:17AM +0100, Richard Humphreys wrote:
-they doesn't work ok with all resolutions
-they assume you HAVE certain tools installed
-so, most of the menus are just useless for anyone who's not the
original author
-you don't see icons or backgrounds, since they are
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:47:07 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you're the only person contributing, does this mean that FVWM is
slowly dying?
I'm not the only person contributing though -- I don't contriute hardly
anything -- it's just that for things like documentation, people will
Is there anything that can help them? Are there plans to create some
tools to assist users in setting up a desktop how they want without
them getting into the weeds?
Oh man! be prepared. You just opened Pandora's box...
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From my experience with users new to FVWM, there's no easy way for them
to create a config that is usable and looks good. They don't spend the
time needed and therefore get a bad taste in their mouth and don't
return.
I do not fully agree. Could
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:02AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Hello,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
From my experience with users new to FVWM, there's no easy way for them
to create a config that is usable and looks good. They don't spend the
time needed and
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:02AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Hello,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
From my experience with users new to FVWM, there's no easy way for them
to create a config that is usable
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:23:29 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:02AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Hello,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
From my experience with users new to FVWM, there's no easy way for
them to create a
Yes, I have undertaken several attempts to do this, received some
sporadic help from people, and then they dropped off the planet. Which
is fine...
I also still seem to be, despite some enthusiasm from other people, the
only person still actively contributing information to the FVWM Wiki,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, I have undertaken several attempts to do this, received some
sporadic help from people, and then they dropped off the planet. Which
is fine...
I also still seem to be, despite some enthusiasm from other people, the
only person still actively
Where is the wiki? The only thing I can find mention of is
http://www.fvwmwiki.org/ and it does not respond.
Emilie
El Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:45:10 +0100
Thomas Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 07:37:33PM +0200, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
Well, as I see it, FVWM is about all being configurable, If you put
a default configuration, it is unavoidable that people that do not
know about FVWM
From my experience with users new to FVWM, there's no easy way for them
to create a config that is usable and looks good. They don't spend the
time needed and therefore get a bad taste in their mouth and don't
return.
Is there anything that can help them? Are there plans to create some
El Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:32:10 -0700 (PDT)
Elliot Sowadsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
Perhaps the default config should have everything rather than nothing.
It's easier to remove features you dont like than to add what you
dont know how.
That statement is a paradox.
What does everything
Perhaps the default config should have everything rather than nothing.
It's easier to remove features you dont like than to add what you
dont know how.
JG That statement is a paradox.
JG What does everything means? Everything for you? Everything for me?
JG Everything for Thomas? mmm, nah,
El Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:20:35 -0700 (PDT)
Elliot Sowadsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
Load it up w/ all the modules and commandsand a startup message
mentioning where the config file is to strip stuff out and where
to find the doc. Once they start stripping stuff out, theyll catch on.
You
Elliot Sowadsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps the default config should have everything rather than nothing.
It's easier to remove features you dont like than to add what you
dont know how.
JG That statement is a paradox.
JG What does everything means? Everything for you?
Forgive me if this has already been suggested. Perhaps instead of trying to get
everything in one config - instead supply a sample of different configs
demonstrating the various features. The most popular (or most admired) configs
from the forum would probably showcase the WM pretty well for new
El Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:13:02 +0100 (BST)
Richard Humphreys [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
Forgive me if this has already been suggested. Perhaps instead of
trying to get everything in one config - instead supply a sample of
different configs demonstrating the various features. The most
popular
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 12:25:09AM +0200, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
a. it relies on features that are only in cvs, mainly svg support
So much for portability.
It really is not that easy to write a default config that doesn't get
in the middle and that pleases everyone. Since everyone seems to
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 23:48 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
You're defining portability in terms of assumed locale, aesthetics and
other things: fine. However, one of the glaring holes people _always_
overlook is that the so-called default config has to also be able to
run on different hardwares,
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 07:27:38PM -0400, Ryan Daly wrote:
Maybe something as simple as a menu that provides modules that allows
for further configuration. Much like the FvwmForm setup form that Dan
mentioned in an earlier post.
So that'd be:
FvwmIdent
FvwmBanner
Not very useful.
If
El Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:48:18 +0100
Thomas Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
You're defining portability in terms of assumed locale, aesthetics and
other things: fine. However, one of the glaring holes people
_always_ overlook is that the so-called default config has to also
be able to run on
Hi all,
It really is not that easy to write a default config that doesn't get
in the middle and that pleases everyone. Since everyone seems to have
his/her own opinion on what's nice, useful and what's politically
correct.
Ok, I'll jump in too.
I agree that there will never be consensus
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:22:12PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:02AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Hello,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
http://www.zensites.net/fvwm/guide/
What I want to achieve at first, is:
- xeyes, xclock and
On 20:07 Tue 17 Apr , Jesús Guerrero wrote:
Yes hehe, I remember that thread, I was moreless a newcomer to those
forums when it started, and I was following the thread. After it
silently died for no apparent reason
Well, we seemed to hit a bit of an impasse as to how to proceed.
Jonathan
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:02AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Hello,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
http://www.zensites.net/fvwm/guide/
What I want to achieve at first, is:
- xeyes, xclock and Pager on all desktops
Then the possibility of two separated
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:22:12PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:02AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Hello,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
http://www.zensites.net/fvwm/guide/
What I want to achieve at first, is:
- xeyes, xclock and
On 4/16/07, Oliver Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:22:12PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:02AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
Hello,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
http://www.zensites.net/fvwm/guide/
What I
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:14:02 +0200
Oliver Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
I have my fvwm running with only the built-in functionality.
It's possible toworkwith it, but I'm now looking for an introdurcional
text, a beginners-guide or
Hi,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
I have my fvwm running with only the built-in functionality.
It's possible toworkwith it, but I'm now looking for an introdurcional
text, a beginners-guide or HOWTO for fvwm.
I didn't found such a thing. There is a FAQ, but
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:58:43 +1000
Scott Smedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
are there simple Beginners-Infos zu start with fvwm(2)?
I have my fvwm running with only the built-in functionality.
It's possible toworkwith it, but I'm now looking for an
introdurcional text, a
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 12:14:02AM +0200, Oliver Bandel wrote:
[...]
What's about starting xterms?
In my Xorg-config I have entries to start some
windows; is it better todo this in the fvwm-config?
It seems tome that it makes more sense.
[...]
Oh no, it's not the Xorg-config... it's in the
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