On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
On 9/21/2011 10:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
I would like to add this image in addition:
http://code.grobmeier.de/howtobecomeanasfproject.pdf
Because an image does say more than thousand words...
Awesomeness.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
On 9/21/2011 10:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
I would like to add this image in addition:
Board sponsorship equates to mandate: the Incubator PMC has no choice in the
matter.
We used that for getting an Apache-licensed J2EE server (Geronimo), but we
did *not* for OOo. We left that decision to the IPMC. I believe the concept
is obsolete and can be removed from the docs. I do not forsee
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Board sponsorship equates to mandate: the Incubator PMC has no choice in the
matter.
We used that for getting an Apache-licensed J2EE server (Geronimo), but we
did *not* for OOo. We left that decision to the IPMC. I believe
Hello guys,
We used that for getting an Apache-licensed J2EE server (Geronimo), but we
did *not* for OOo. We left that decision to the IPMC. I believe the concept
is obsolete and can be removed from the docs. I do not forsee the Board
taking such an action in the future.
If my memory serves
On 9/21/2011 10:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
I would like to add this image in addition:
http://code.grobmeier.de/howtobecomeanasfproject.pdf
Because an image does say more than thousand words...
Awesomeness. Please check it into the docs. And if we are ever working
in the same place
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote:
Christian Grobmeier wrote:
Surely a podling does not exist until it enters incubation?
Beforehand, it is just a proposal to create a podling.
So whats the name for Podling before it becomes one? Simply project?
On 9/20/2011 8:18 PM, sebb wrote:
On 20 September 2011 18:50, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On
On 22 September 2011 14:03, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
On 9/20/2011 8:18 PM, sebb wrote:
On 20 September 2011 18:50, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:14 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
Do PPMCs have chairs?
If not, then maybe the Champion fulfils that role until eventual
graduation; otherwise they fulfil the role until the PPMC elects a
chair.
I really thought PPMCs have chairs! Otherwise how does the Incubator
there for
other PPMC members to review and amend).
- Dennis
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From: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dasho...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 06:34
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:14
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote:
...it seems useful that one person would step forth and
claim to be the champion of bringing a certain project to the ASF and
[implicitly] agree to pushing down any artificial process hurdles...
I agree with that, and
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote:
...it seems useful that one person would step forth and
claim to be the champion of bringing a certain project to the ASF and
[implicitly]
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
Why must the name be Champion and not just Mentor?
Because Champion is an aptly name for the role.
champion is just another term for the first potential mentor who steps up.
It is the correct name for that role:
champion |ˈCHampēən| noun
1 a person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a competition,
esp. in sports:
2 a person who fights or argues for a cause or on behalf of someone else:
The correct usage is of course definition #2
What is the cause he actually fights/argues for? New folks
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
champion |ˈCHampēən| noun
1 a person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a competition,
esp. in sports:
2 a person who fights or argues for a cause or on behalf of someone else:
The correct usage is of
What is the cause he actually fights/argues for? New folks are
speaking to the general list on their own.
The cause is getting the podling accepted in the incubator, finding
mentors and other interested parties.
The Champion assists the candidate on their initial submission to a Sponsor.
On 21 September 2011 11:57, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the cause he actually fights/argues for? New folks are
speaking to the general list on their own.
The cause is getting the podling accepted in the incubator, finding
mentors and other interested parties.
The
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 September 2011 11:57, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the cause he actually fights/argues for? New folks are
speaking to the general list on their own.
The cause is getting the podling accepted in the
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
...If nobody wants to get rid of this term (except me), we
should do an update of the Champion description.
I would like to add this image in addition:
http://code.grobmeier.de/howtobecomeanasfproject.pdf
I like
I would like to add this image in addition:
http://code.grobmeier.de/howtobecomeanasfproject.pdf
I like it - I'd just say mentors, plural, in the reddish box on the right.
Agreed, I have changed it local and wait if there are more comments
-Bertrand
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to add this image in addition:
http://code.grobmeier.de/howtobecomeanasfproject.pdf
I like it - I'd just say mentors, plural, in the reddish box on the right.
Agreed, I have changed it local and wait
On 21 September 2011 15:12, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 September 2011 11:57, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the cause he actually fights/argues for? New folks are
speaking to the
I would like to add this image in addition:
http://code.grobmeier.de/howtobecomeanasfproject.pdf
Because an image does say more than thousand words...
Surely a podling does not exist until it enters incubation?
Beforehand, it is just a proposal to create a podling.
So whats the name for
Christian Grobmeier wrote:
Surely a podling does not exist until it enters incubation?
Beforehand, it is just a proposal to create a podling.
So whats the name for Podling before it becomes one? Simply project?
As suggested above Proposal. Or this
Hi,
I was looking into that:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Sponsor
And thought, if an upcoming podling is deciding to become a TLD it
should ask the board to sponsor it.
Now I have been told from Andrus that this is not the case and usually
the Incubator
Hi,
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
I was looking into that:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Sponsor
And thought, if an upcoming podling is deciding to become a TLD it
should ask the board to sponsor it.
The default sponsor is the incubator PMC. if you just put that in a
proposal and offer it up, it just happens.
Board sponsorship happens for 'special' circumstances (like OO), and I
don't pretend to understand why it's important.
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
And thought, if an upcoming podling is deciding to become a TLD it
should ask the board to sponsor it.
Now I have been told from Andrus that this is not the case and usually
the Incubator is sponsoring TLD projects.
Yes, as I said on the board list I don't remember the board sponsoring
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
The default sponsor is the incubator PMC. if you just put that in a
proposal and offer it up, it just happens.
Board sponsorship happens for 'special' circumstances (like OO), and I
don't pretend to understand why
IMO the champion helps clarify the incubator process up to acceptance
of the podling into the incubator. For example the champion for Wicket
was not a singular person, but both Alex Karasulu and Upayavira were
both very instrumental in smoothing our transition into the incubator.
general@ can be
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn Dashorst
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
IMO the champion helps clarify the incubator process up to acceptance
of the podling into the incubator. For example the champion for Wicket
was not a singular person, but both Alex Karasulu and Upayavira were
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn Dashorst
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
IMO the champion helps clarify the incubator process up to acceptance
of the podling into the incubator. For example the
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn Dashorst
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
IMO the champion helps clarify the incubator
On 20 September 2011 18:50, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn Dashorst
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
IMO the champion helps clarify the incubator
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