On 2/1/12 1:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Dear Proposed Syncope mentors:
Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior experience
as mentors,
Does mentors have to have any experience ? Is this a new policy for
being a mentor on an incubator project, or something you just are
Hi Benson,
I am an ASF Member since 2011 and, despite the TLPs in which I am
involved, I've been taking part in a good number of incubating
projects at ASF, such as BVal, Amber, Any23 (official Mentor),
DirectMemory and OGNL (graduated in commons).
I feel quiet confident that I can cover the
On 1 February 2012 09:06, Emmanuel Lecharny elecha...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/1/12 1:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Dear Proposed Syncope mentors:
Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior experience
as mentors,
Does mentors have to have any experience ? Is this a new policy
On 2/1/12 10:39 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 1 February 2012 09:06, Emmanuel Lecharnyelecha...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/1/12 1:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Dear Proposed Syncope mentors:
Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior experience
as mentors,
Does mentors have to have
Wrong year:)
--tim
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On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
On 1 February 2012 09:06, Emmanuel Lecharny elecha...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/1/12 1:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Dear Proposed Syncope mentors:
Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior
Hello,
While the last release candidate found a lot of acceptance (3 binding +1 in
the ppmc) it had to be withdrawn because of missing or incorrect NOTICE and
license files. Also the source distribution contained the sources of
modules that are not part of the release profile. The new release
A discussion on the private list (about some individuals, hence
private) has turned to a useful generic topic. It has been suggested
that that part come here, so here it is (with permission from authors,
the only edit is to remove the original subject which had a personal
name in it)
--
I apologize if my choice of words here engendered a belief that I was
trying to hold mentors to a new standard.
The IPMC has been discussing the problem of mentors who don't do their
job. I'm trying to approach this problem from the front end, instead
of waiting for it to be a problem later on.
Here are some of the things that guide me in my decision-
making about governance and Apache communities. Please
feel to add you own thoughts on the subject!
1) Fairness and Equitable Treatment- that it is wrong to apply
different standards to different people based solely on their
(external)
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 08:56:01AM -0500, Benson Margulies wrote:
I'm also trying, more pointedly, to head off the 'AWOL mentor' problem
by asking mentors to think about, and state, the commitment they are
making.
A lot of harsh words have been directed towards AWOL Mentors lately. The
more
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:54:18PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
My point is that when we help guide individuals who demonstrate a
willingness to contribute those individuals often grow in capacity.
There was a memorable post on another ASF list a few months ago which compared
Apache's
Hi,
I would like to point out that a reminder on the day the report is due is NOT
plenty of time.
The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 15 February 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The
report
for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The Incubator
PMC
requires your report to
Not much I can do about this given the way the script works.
I'd like to point out tho that the 2 weeks preceding isn't
currently being rigidly enforced at this point, and certainly
some leeway will be granted given the way the calendar works
out for February.
- Original Message -
+1
From: Marvin Humphrey
Sent: 2/1/2012 8:06 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:54:18PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
My point is that when we help guide individuals who
On 1 February 2012 15:54, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:54:18PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
My point is that when we help guide individuals who demonstrate a
willingness to contribute those individuals often grow in capacity.
There was a memorable
Everybody gets 'one of those' in a new year, amirite? ;)
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote:
Wrong year:)
--tim
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From: sebb seb...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects
On 1 February 2012 15:54, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 01,
Can we avoid this topic forking into another mentor going AWOL thread.
We've done that to death already.
The topic of this thread is different:
I think as Mentors we probably do a so so job of mentoring Podlings
(not bad, but not good as well). But we do a subpar job on mentoring
individuals.
There has been a lot of heated email sent on the incubator lists in
the last few months. It was my mistake not to realize that my email
asking about mentor commitment and experience would be read in the
light of that context.
I don't claim to know why the mentor-less podlings lost their mentors,
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 08:56, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...
I have no problem with someone starting out as a mentor. *I* started
out as a mentor not too long ago. But as an IPMC member, I'd like to
know the experience profiles of mentors.
I think there are better ways to
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:30, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi,
I would like to point out that a reminder on the day the report is due is NOT
plenty of time.
While the *reminder* may not have given you much time, note that
podlings should already know their requirements and due
On 2/1/2012 12:51 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 08:56, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...
I'm also trying, more pointedly, to head off the 'AWOL mentor' problem
by asking mentors to think about, and state, the commitment they are
making.
But your approach is
+1, Marvin, I couldn't agree more.
Cheers,
Chris
On Feb 1, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:54:18PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
My point is that when we help guide individuals who demonstrate a
willingness to contribute those individuals often grow in
On Feb 1, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:30, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi,
I would like to point out that a reminder on the day the report is due is
NOT plenty of time.
While the *reminder* may not have given you much time, note that
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:40, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
...
There is no announcement. The calendar is set well in advance:
repos/committers/board/calendar.txt
OK. With this and the script, I guess you would say that patches are
welcome ;-)
Nah. I hate that phrase. It is
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:32:23AM -0800, Joe Schaefer wrote:
I believe this is what Marvin is alluding to when he points out that
compentent IPMC oversight is little more than an illusive myth on most
of our podlings.
A PPMC member, by virtue of their deep familiarity with the code base and
On Feb 1, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:40, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
...
There is no announcement. The calendar is set well in advance:
repos/committers/board/calendar.txt
OK. With this and the script, I guess you would say that patches
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:40:36PM -0500, Benson Margulies wrote:
Yes, there are good reasons why a person might depart from the role of
mentor. My view is that this is about balance. Mentors, in my opinion,
should be signed up to putting in the necessary effort for a
reasonable period of
The word 'justification' occurred nowhere in my email. Nonetheless, I
already apologized for my poor choice of tone. I could see someone
reading my query as calling for a 'resume', but I prefer to think of
it as an 'introduction.'
I will continue to ask proposed podlings to draw a picture of
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Got a start on a bit of
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Billie Rinaldi commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-3:
TESS basic word
- Original Message -
From: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:32:23AM
Joe, can you please restate (or link to the archives) the intent and
practice of your experiment
Ross
On 1 February 2012 22:02, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
Link: http://s.apache.org/qsY
It's worthwhile to review the entire surrounding thread in August 2010
for IPMC members to avoid rehashing old arguments.
- Original Message -
From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
On 1/31/2012 5:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
On Jan 31, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
Having said that, I should note that the context of Incubator is
significantly different than a normal PMC. If incubator wants to structure
itself more like a board and less like a
At the risk of seeming trite, +1, but ...
This lengthy proposal shifts the supervision responsibility of
podlings from an big IPMC to a set of mentors approved by the board at
the advice of a small iPMC. In other words, a project is born when
three? foundation members, or others deemed
Hi Bill,
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:25 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
[...snip large thought...please check archives here to see it:
http://s.apache.org/S0i
]
Anyways I could type more but I think I've beat this horse to death. I appeal
to you and to the rest of the board members reading this
Hey Benson,
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
At the risk of seeming trite, +1, but ...
This lengthy proposal shifts the supervision responsibility of
podlings from an big IPMC to a set of mentors approved by the board at
the advice of a small iPMC.
Yea Bill's amendments
On 2/1/2012 4:52 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
At the risk of seeming trite, +1, but ...
This lengthy proposal shifts the supervision responsibility of
podlings from an big IPMC to a set of mentors approved by the board at
the advice of a small iPMC.
No. Forget IPMC. The VP, Project
On 1 February 2012 22:13, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Link: http://s.apache.org/qsY
It's worthwhile to review the entire surrounding thread in August 2010
for IPMC members to avoid rehashing old arguments.
Thanks for the reminder Joe. I recall that thread now. I find it
We have already 2 good nominations for the IPMC chair role, Noel and Benson.
I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC
chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and expresses my feelings
in many ways. In addition he is a damn nice guy with many ideas.
Cheers
Christian
On 2/1/2012 5:14 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
It seems to me that this ups the ante quite a bit on the accidental
argument I started about mentor qualifications. The board absolutely
does not want to have to provide direct
On 2/1/2012 5:11 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:25 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
I'd modify your proposal just a smidge. Keep an Incubator VP with a very
small
operational committee just to help move the podling through the entire
process
of wrangling the
Hello all,
the vote passes, we received 7 binding+1 votes.
No other votes we received.
The following people voted:
+1 Benson Margulies
+1 Tommaso Teofili
+1 Chris A. Mattmann
+1 Isabel Drost
+1 Mark Struberg
+1 Christian Grobmeier
+1 Alan D. Cabrera
Thanks to everyone for voting!
Jörn
On
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 12:16:22AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC
chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and expresses my feelings
in many ways. In addition he is a damn nice guy with many ideas.
Mattmann has been a
+1!
From: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re:
NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at
don't we also have jukka?
On Feb 1, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
We have already 2 good nominations for the IPMC chair role, Noel and Benson.
I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC
chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
don't we also have jukka?
Jukka expressed (to be found somewhere in the archives) he does not
need additonal workload at the moment. In addition he is already
JackRabbit Chair, not sure, but I think 2 chair roles are
On 2/1/2012 6:52 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
don't we also have jukka?
Jukka expressed (to be found somewhere in the archives) he does not
need additonal workload at the moment. In addition he is already
Hi Bill,
On Feb 1, 2012, at 3:26 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
On 2/1/2012 5:11 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:25 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
I'd modify your proposal just a smidge. Keep an Incubator VP with a very
small
operational committee just to help
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 21:22, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Hi Bill,
On Feb 1, 2012, at 3:26 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
...
VP Project Incubation
works with those Champions. Much like the foundation-wide security@a.o team
works with all the individual
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 11:15:53PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 1 February 2012 22:13, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Link: http://s.apache.org/qsY
It's worthwhile to review the entire surrounding thread in August 2010
for IPMC members to avoid rehashing old arguments.
Joe Schaefer wrote:
Here are some of the things that guide me in my decision-
making about governance and Apache communities. Please
feel to add you own thoughts on the subject!
1) Fairness and Equitable Treatment- that it is wrong to apply
different standards to different people based
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