Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New computer and Gentoo

2011-07-22 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 22.07.2011 00:35, schrieb walt: On 07/20/2011 10:54 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: So not sure about march=native now as it is only what was built with native thats been problematic. Makes me wonder if gcc and glibc need to be recompiled with arch=native before rebuilding the rest of the

[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 21/07/11, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:14:11 -0500, Dale wrote: It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa And I change nvidia to vesa or do I need to unmerge nvidia first? If you keep xorg.conf, change it to use vesa. Or move it to /root.

[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 21/07/11, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 21/07/11, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. Try VESA. I would

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 21 July 2011 21:44:51 Alan McKinnon wrote: Sounds like a case for a swap partition that can be activated when you need it for big emerges. I hit the same thing with firefox-5 oddly enough. I have one smallish swap partition at PRI=10 and a bigger one at PRI=1. As for OOo, long

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 21.07.2011 20:38, schrieb Mick: Whatever Dale had on his machine must have infected mine! LOL! A 32bit x86 box with KDE4.6, running firefox-3.6.17 and xulrunner-1.9.2.17 after a few hours and loads of tabs (sometimes up to 15 or so) eventually hangs X. I had the same problem with

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:16:41 -0400, Albert Hopkins wrote: Think of it this way: You have a house with an attic. Now the attic is not as efficient as say, the middle of your living room. You have a Christmas tree, but you only use that Christmas tree maybe once a year. Now it's much more

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 22 July 2011 13:54:09 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 21.07.2011 20:38, schrieb Mick: Whatever Dale had on his machine must have infected mine! LOL! A 32bit x86 box with KDE4.6, running firefox-3.6.17 and xulrunner-1.9.2.17 after a few hours and loads of tabs (sometimes up to 15

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Thursday 21 July 2011 19:38:53 Mick wrote: Whatever Dale had on his machine must have infected mine! LOL! A 32bit x86 box with KDE4.6, running firefox-3.6.17 and xulrunner-1.9.2.17 after a few hours and loads of tabs (sometimes up to 15 or so) eventually hangs X. I can switch to a

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 22.07.2011 15:13, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: maybe it is not KDE's fault when firefox is badly coded? Lets think. KDE4+Firefox = X hangs and firefox can't be killed XFCE4+Firefox = no problems Sure, it has to be firefox Oh and a test 20 minutes ago showed KDE4+Chromium = X hangs and

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: Its more how much i/o rather than the size. If you have a bunch of stuff swapped out, but it hardly ever needs to be swapped in, the impact will be low. Keep an eye on the use with vmstat; adam@rix ~ $ vmstat 5 procs

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 22 July 2011 16:39:41 Sebastian Beßler did opine thusly: Am 22.07.2011 15:13, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: maybe it is not KDE's fault when firefox is badly coded? Lets think. KDE4+Firefox = X hangs and firefox can't be killed XFCE4+Firefox = no problems Sure, it has to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 22 July 2011 16:39:41 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 22.07.2011 15:13, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: maybe it is not KDE's fault when firefox is badly coded? Lets think. KDE4+Firefox = X hangs and firefox can't be killed XFCE4+Firefox = no problems Sure, it has to be firefox Oh

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 21 July 2011 17:26:33 kashani did opine thusly: On 7/21/2011 4:53 PM, Grant wrote: So swap isn't treated exactly like RAM. It actually has special handling in Linux which makes it beneficial to have on almost any Linux system? According to Alan, things get very bad when a

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 21 July 2011 21:08:49 Albert Hopkins did opine thusly: When a linux machine hits swap, it does so very aggressively, there is nothing nice about it at all. The entire machine slows to a painstaking crawl for easily a minute at a time while the kernel writes pages out to disk,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 21/07/11, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 21/07/11, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 22.07.2011 17:05, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: and you strace'd firefox, X or chromium to see where this stuff hangs, did you? No I did not, a strace is only as good as the person who can read it, and in my case is that not much, not because I'm too stupid but because I rather let my

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone have any trouble with rc_parallel=YES ?

2011-07-22 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:39:49AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: Spelunking in /etc/rc.conf, I found the rc_parallel setting, accompanied with a quite significant WARNING. Have anyone experienced any trouble setting rc_parallel to YES? I did. I have a net configuration with some VLAN. Each VLAN

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 22.07.2011 16:57, schrieb Alan McKinnon: It may look like KDE is the likely culprit based on just the information you provide, but I would be more inclined to look at browser plugins first, concentrating on those with both Firefox and Chromium versions from the same developer team. I

[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Dale wrote: Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I was browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I thought I would download the thing, untar it and just check out the README file to see what would be involved

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Dale wrote: Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I was browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I thought I would download the thing, untar it and just check out the README file to

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
Assuming you have the concept right, if I have 'MaxClients 50' and 'MaxSpareServers 10', there should never be more than 60 apache2 processes running and I should be able to serve up to 50 simultaneous TCP sessions? I'd guess it wouldnt go past 50. Can anyone explain why I have 20 apache2

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
Then why not have a really big swap file?  If swap is useful as a second layer of caching behind RAM, why doesn't everyone with some extra hard drive space have a 100GB swap file? You've not understood what I said, I think.  Swap is not useful as filesystem cache.  Swap is as efficient

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
... To confuse you even more, there is a swappiness setting as well.  On my old x86 rig, I have 2Gbs of ram.  My hard drive is really slow since it is IDE.  I set swappiness to 20.  That tells the kernel that I have swap space but don't use it unless you must.  For what I use the rig for, 2Gbs

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Mick
On Friday 22 Jul 2011 17:18:40 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 22.07.2011 17:05, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: and you strace'd firefox, X or chromium to see where this stuff hangs, did you? No I did not, a strace is only as good as the person who can read it, and in my case is that not much,

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
... Then why not have a really big swap file?  If swap is useful as a second layer of caching behind RAM, why doesn't everyone with some extra hard drive space have a 100GB swap file? I have 12GB of RAM and 12GB of swap on my main PC. Why? Because... why not? :) After 5 days uptime, it

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Grant
... Then why not have a really big swap file?  If swap is useful as a second layer of caching behind RAM, why doesn't everyone with some extra hard drive space have a 100GB swap file? I have 12GB of RAM and 12GB of swap on my main PC. Why? Because... why not? :) After 5 days uptime, it

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 22 July 2011 19:13:35 Grant wrote: Wouldn't a sufficiently large swap (100GB for example) completely prevent out of memory conditions and the oom-killer? Of course, on any system with more than a few dozen MB of RAM, but I can't imagine any combination of running programs whose size

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Grant wrote: ... To confuse you even more, there is a swappiness setting as well. On my old x86 rig, I have 2Gbs of ram. My hard drive is really slow since it is IDE. I set swappiness to 20. That tells the kernel that I have swap space but don't use it unless you must. For what I use

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 22 July 2011 19:46:25 Grant wrote: That's what I'm curious about. If some swap is good, why isn't more better? Paul has demonstrated that a Linux system will put at least 10GB to use and probably much more given the opportunity. Disk space is so cheap, why isn't everyone running

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Friday, July 22 at 11:46 (-0700), Grant said: That's what I'm curious about. If some swap is good, why isn't more better? Paul has demonstrated that a Linux system will put at least 10GB to use and probably much more given the opportunity. Disk space is so cheap, why isn't everyone

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Friday, July 22 at 19:55 (+0100), Peter Humphrey said: Wouldn't a sufficiently large swap (100GB for example) completely prevent out of memory conditions and the oom-killer? Of course, on any system with more than a few dozen MB of RAM, but I can't imagine any combination of

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!

2011-07-22 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Friday 22 July 2011 18:41:26 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 22.07.2011 16:57, schrieb Alan McKinnon: It may look like KDE is the likely culprit based on just the information you provide, but I would be more inclined to look at browser plugins first, concentrating on those with both Firefox

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 22 July 2011 19:13:35 Grant wrote: Wouldn't a sufficiently large swap (100GB for example) completely prevent out of memory conditions and the oom-killer? Of course, on any system with more than a few dozen MB of RAM, but I can't imagine any

[gentoo-user] OT bind: dynamic-IP to FQDN resolving for windows-clients howto?

2011-07-22 Thread Jarry
Hi, I would like to offer to some friends similar service as i.e. dyndns.org does: FQDN for their dynamic IP. But I have no idea how to set-up my bind for this task. And what is even worse, they are mostly running Windows. IIRC, dyndns.org (and similar services) offer some kind of end-user

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: ... Then why not have a really big swap file?  If swap is useful as a second layer of caching behind RAM, why doesn't everyone with some extra hard drive space have a 100GB swap file? I have 12GB of RAM and 12GB of swap on my

Re: [gentoo-user] OT bind: dynamic-IP to FQDN resolving for windows-clients howto?

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would like to offer to some friends similar service as i.e. dyndns.org does: FQDN for their dynamic IP. But I have no idea how to set-up my bind for this task. And what is even worse, they are mostly running Windows.

Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Friday, July 22 at 11:13 (-0700), Grant said: That all makes perfect sense. So the reason a swap larger than maybe 1GB is not usually implemented is because idle processes don't normally have more than a few hundred MB of pages in memory? That's not entirely true, either. For example,

[gentoo-user] Re: mysqld invoked oom-killer

2011-07-22 Thread walt
On 07/22/2011 11:13 AM, Grant wrote: Wouldn't a sufficiently large swap (100GB for example) completely prevent out of memory conditions and the oom-killer? There's always someone who can pull a corner case out of his hat :) I can't remember the details now, but there was a piece of code in

[gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. I just had a thought, what are the odds the nvidia drivers

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 23.07.2011 00:54, schrieb Dale: Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. I just had a

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
On 22 July 2011 15:54, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed the new kernel in the tree.  Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel?  Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. Despite the

[gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 07/23/2011 01:54 AM, Dale wrote: Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. I just had a thought, what

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 23.07.2011 00:54, schrieb Dale: Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully,

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree.  Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel?  Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 07/23/2011 01:54 AM, Dale wrote: Howdy, I noticed the new kernel in the tree. Anybody know whether make oldconfig will work when coming from a 2.6.39 series kernel? Since I'm having issues right now, I wouldn't mind trying to new and improved, hopefully, version. I

[gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused

2011-07-22 Thread CJoeB
Hi everyone, First, thanks for all the input regarding CFLAGS. Can I be honest here? My technical skills don't seem to be anywhere near on a par with most of the people on this list. I've been using Gentoo since 2004 and the reason I do, is for the control that I have over my system. Because

Re: [gentoo-user] Problems with Nvidia fake raid array

2011-07-22 Thread Jeff Cranmer
Is there anyone who can help me recover my raid array? On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 20:43 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 09:06 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 07/18/2011 11:08 PM, Jeff Cranmer wrote: Pardon my additional questions before taking the plunge here.

[gentoo-user] No keyboard or mouse with X after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread Jeff Cranmer
Hi All, I recently ran an emerge -NDuav on my system and world lists, and now I can't start X and keep the keyboard or mouse operating. Is this a known issue? Any simple fixes? Thanks in advance Jeff

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig

2011-07-22 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Friday, July 22 at 18:42 (-0500), Dale said: I sort of hate to hear there are no major changes. I was hoping for a fix on my kernel panic problem. Oh well. I'll upgrade anyway. Maybe it will help. Fixing a kernel bug is not considered a major change. A major change would be

Re: [gentoo-user] No keyboard or mouse with X after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:00 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: Hi All, I recently ran an emerge -NDuav on my system and world lists, and now I can't start X and keep the keyboard or mouse operating. Is this a known issue? Any simple fixes? Thanks in advance Jeff Did you follow the

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused

2011-07-22 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 21:53 -0400, CJoeB wrote: Hi everyone, First, thanks for all the input regarding CFLAGS. Can I be honest here? My technical skills don't seem to be anywhere near on a par with most of the people on this list. I've been using Gentoo since 2004 and the reason I do,

Re: [gentoo-user] No keyboard or mouse with X after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 10:18 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:00 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: Hi All, I recently ran an emerge -NDuav on my system and world lists, and now I can't start X and keep the keyboard or mouse operating. Is this a known issue? Any

Re: [gentoo-user] No keyboard or mouse with X after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:39 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 10:18 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:00 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: Hi All, I recently ran an emerge -NDuav on my system and world lists, and now I can't start X and keep the

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:53 PM, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, First, thanks for all the input regarding CFLAGS. Can I be honest here?  My technical skills don't seem to be anywhere near on a par with most of the people on this list.  I've been using Gentoo since 2004

[gentoo-user] Replace root with aufs-united sda squashfs

2011-07-22 Thread Pandu Poluan
As part of Project:Protogenoi [1], I am planning to replace root with a united filesystem using aufs. The layers will be: Top: /dev/xvda3 (Xen/XenServer Virtual Disk device) Bottom: /.root.sqfs The aim would be to generate the smallest .xva (XenServer Virtual Appliance) possible. To achieve