On Tuesday 06 September 2011 23:53:16 Neil Bothwick wrote:
Ninety-Ninety Rule Of Project Schedules - The first ninety percent of
the task takes ninety percent of the time, and the last ten percent
takes the other ninety percent of the time.
Where I worked we used to say the first 50% of the
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:55:08 +0100
Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote:
On Tuesday 06 September 2011 23:53:16 Neil Bothwick wrote:
Ninety-Ninety Rule Of Project Schedules - The first ninety percent
of the task takes ninety percent of the time, and the last ten
percent takes the
On Sunday 11 September 2011 14:06:58 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Our rule of thumb for estimated schedules is to get the worst possible
estimate for how long it will take.
Then multiply by pi
On one large project (200 man-years) we found the factor was 2.3. But by the
time we had enough data to
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:06:58 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Our rule of thumb for estimated schedules is to get the worst possible
estimate for how long it will take.
Then multiply by pi
To how many places?
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:17:20 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:06:58 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Our rule of thumb for estimated schedules is to get the worst
possible estimate for how long it will take.
Then multiply by pi
To how many places?
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-09-05, Alex Schusterwo...@wonkology.org wrote:
Graham Murray wonders:
Has the libreoffice ebuild suddenly developed stability problems? Today
is the 4th time in five days that my daily ~x86 emerge uD world has
rebuilt libreoffice. On 1st Sept it was because of a
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-09-05, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:
Graham Murray wonders:
Has the libreoffice ebuild suddenly developed stability problems? Today
is the 4th time in five days that my daily ~x86 emerge uD
On 2011-09-06, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:25:22 +0100, Stroller wrote:
Isn't CUPS really bug and bloaty and horrible?
It's definitely huge. It does however seem to work pretty well.
It has it's own web-interface, which one doesn't seem able to disable
-
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-09-05, Alex Schusterwo...@wonkology.org wrote:
Graham Murray wonders:
Has the libreoffice ebuild suddenly developed stability problems? Today
is the 4th time in five days that
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-09-06, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:25:22 +0100, Stroller wrote:
Isn't CUPS really bug and bloaty and horrible?
It's definitely huge. It does however seem to work pretty
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-09-06, Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:25:22 +0100, Stroller wrote:
Isn't CUPS really bug and bloaty and horrible?
It's definitely huge. It does however seem to work pretty well.
Huge?
root@fireball / # equery s cups
*
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-09-05, Alex Schusterwo...@wonkology.org wrote:
Graham Murray wonders:
Has the libreoffice ebuild suddenly
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
This is rather odd. For the longest, every time I had a cups update, I had
to delete my printers then add them back again. It would not print until I
did so.
I have to do that every time I plug my printer in...
I print so
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
This is rather odd. For the longest, every time I had a cups update, I had
to delete my printers then add them back again. It would not print
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:57:06AM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
In my puny laptop, CUPS takes 1 min to compile, the source code is 4.4
Mb and the installed binaries are 9.3 Mb. It seems to be updated at
the rate of once a month, roughly.
I have never configured CUPS, *ever*, and it
Hi, Paul.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:28:16AM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
This is rather odd. For the longest, every time I had a cups update, I had
to delete my printers then add them back again. It would not print until I
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 11:28:16 schrieb Paul Hartman:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
This is rather odd. For the longest, every time I had a cups update, I
had to delete my printers then add them back again. It would not print
until I did so.
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:01:10 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote about
[gentoo-user] Re: What is up with the libreoffice ebuild?:
On 2011-09-06, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:25:22 +0100, Stroller wrote:
Isn't CUPS really bug and bloaty and horrible?
It's
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Paul.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:28:16AM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
This is rather odd. For the longest, every time I had a cups update, I had
to delete
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 16:43:39 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
Is that right? How about it being saner to conform to standardised
interfaces, protocols and formats?
How about IPP?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Printing_Protocol
Oh wait... that's what cups is using.
No, the sane
Hi, Michael.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 07:03:19PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 16:43:39 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
Is that right? How about it being saner to conform to standardised
interfaces, protocols and formats?
How about IPP?
Hi, Michael.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 01:02:59PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Paul.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:28:16AM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
This is
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Michael.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 07:03:19PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 16:43:39 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
Is that right? How about it being saner to conform to standardised
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Michael.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 01:02:59PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Paul.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:28:16AM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
On Tue,
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Michael.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 01:02:59PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
It could be that IPP is just becoming the preferred protocol, and other
print queue
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 17:48:49 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
Hi, Michael.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 07:03:19PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 16:43:39 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
Is that right? How about it being saner to conform to standardised
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 17:55:54 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
Hi, Michael.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 01:02:59PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Paul.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:28:16AM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
Hi, Canek.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 02:22:44PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
However, I use lprng, not cups. It's good that we have a choice over
what software we use, isn't it? ;-(
It could be that IPP is just
Am 06.09.2011 20:57, schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
Again the code already exists, it's merely a matter of not destroying it.
I became a user based on it supporting a standard printing system, and
it's perfectly reasonable for me to expect that support to continue.
Is this list really the right
On 2011-09-06 19:48, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I believe it did work for me for the short time I had cups installed.
More pertinent is, why won't the lpr command work for LibreOffice?
Hm... Can you not try to print to file (postscript, pdf) and then use
lpr (which will filter it through
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 18:57:25 schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
Hi, Canek.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 02:22:44PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
However, I use lprng, not cups. It's good that we have a
choice over
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Canek.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 02:22:44PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The support for lpr exists. It's being removed, for some reason. Given
that printing works by constructing a postscript equivalent of the thing
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
This is rather odd. For the longest, every time I had a cups update, I had
On 6 September 2011 19:57, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
The support for lpr exists. It's being removed, for some reason. Given
that printing works by constructing a postscript equivalent of the thing
being printed, just how difficult can it be to squirt this postscript
down lpr rather
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Canek.
Hi Alan.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 02:22:44PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
However, I use lprng, not cups. It's good that we have a choice
Hi, C.
Last mail before I take Sebastian's advice. ;-)
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 03:20:59PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi Alan.
Point a, you are oversimplifying.
Indeed. :-)
THAT is insane.
I think I am, too.
On Tuesday, September 6 at 18:57 (+), Alan Mackenzie said:
The support for lpr exists. It's being removed, for some reason.
Given
that printing works by constructing a postscript equivalent of the
thing
being printed, just how difficult can it be to squirt this postscript
down lpr
On 2011-09-06, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-09-06, Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:25:22 +0100, Stroller wrote:
Isn't CUPS really bug and bloaty and horrible?
It's definitely huge. It does however seem to work pretty well.
On 2011-09-06, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
Nobody is forcing you to anything: but upstream projects (like
LibreOffice) need to fulfill the needs of all their users... not only
you. Don't force *them* to support every single printing system in the
planet earth;
I wasn't
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-09-06, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
As for cups being huge, the standard install comprises over 500
files. That's still huge in my book.
Most of those are going to be ppd files, right? File
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-09-06, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
Nobody is forcing you to anything: but upstream projects (like
LibreOffice) need to fulfill the needs of all their users... not only
you. Don't force
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-09-06, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
As for cups being huge, the standard install comprises over 500
files. That's still
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 21:12:32 schrieb Grant Edwards:
On 2011-09-06, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
Nobody is forcing you to anything: but upstream projects (like
LibreOffice) need to fulfill the needs of all their users... not only
you. Don't force *them* to
Am 06.09.2011 23:35, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer:
See firefox for example:
~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Total files : 3801
Total size : 722.95 MiB
Why is your firefox so big?
metatron@Shao ~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-09-06, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-09-06, Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:25:22 +0100, Stroller wrote:
Isn't CUPS really bug and bloaty and horrible?
It's definitely huge. It does however seem to
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Sebastian Beßler
sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote:
Am 06.09.2011 23:35, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer:
See firefox for example:
~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Total files : 3801
Total size : 722.95 MiB
Why is your
Dale:
If it was huge, I was hoping you would post yours. Maybe you have
more stuff turned on that I do or something.
hafi@i5 ~ $ equery s cups
* net-print/cups-1.4.8-r1
Total files : 578
Total size : 9 MiB
hafi@i5 ~ $
Hartmut
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On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Sebastian Beßler
sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote:
Am 06.09.2011 23:35, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer:
See firefox for example:
~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 23:52:34 schrieb Sebastian Beßler:
Am 06.09.2011 23:35, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer:
See firefox for example:
~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Total files : 3801
Total size : 722.95 MiB
Why is your firefox
Sebastian Beßler:
metatron@Shao ~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Total files : 3779
Total size : 89.42 MiB
hafi@i5 ~ $ equery s seamonkey
* www-client/seamonkey-2.0.14-r1
Total files : 412
Total size : 44.03 MiB
;)
Hartmut
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Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 17:30:54 schrieb Paul Hartman:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Sebastian Beßler
sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote:
Am 06.09.2011 23:35, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer:
See firefox for example:
~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:12:32 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
What about the lack of a CUPS install would make LibreOffice fail?
Does LibreOffice depend on libraries provided by CUPS even if you
don't want to print?
Why don't you try it? Unmerge cups and see if LO still works for you. If
it
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.dewrote:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 23:52:34 schrieb Sebastian Beßler:
Am 06.09.2011 23:35, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer:
See firefox for example:
~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Am Mittwoch, 7. September 2011, 00:43:29 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer:
Am Dienstag, 6. September 2011, 23:52:34 schrieb Sebastian Beßler:
Am 06.09.2011 23:35, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer:
See firefox for example:
~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Am 07.09.2011 00:39, schrieb Hartmut Figge:
Sebastian Beßler:
metatron@Shao ~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Total files : 3779
Total size : 89.42 MiB
hafi@i5 ~ $ equery s seamonkey
* www-client/seamonkey-2.0.14-r1
Total files : 412
Hartmut Figge wrote:
Dale:
If it was huge, I was hoping you would post yours. Maybe you have
more stuff turned on that I do or something.
hafi@i5 ~ $ equery s cups
* net-print/cups-1.4.8-r1
Total files : 578
Total size : 9 MiB
hafi@i5 ~ $
Hartmut
I'm running 1.5. At
Sebastian Beßler wrote:
Am 07.09.2011 00:39, schrieb Hartmut Figge:
Sebastian Beßler:
metatron@Shao ~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Total files : 3779
Total size : 89.42 MiB
hafi@i5 ~ $ equery s seamonkey
* www-client/seamonkey-2.0.14-r1
Dale writes:
Sebastian Beßler wrote:
Am 07.09.2011 00:39, schrieb Hartmut Figge:
Sebastian Beßler:
metatron@Shao ~ $ equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-6.0
Total files : 3779
Total size : 89.42 MiB
hafi@i5 ~ $ equery s seamonkey
*
Dale:
root@fireball / # equery s firefox
* www-client/firefox-3.6.20
Total files : 89
Total size : 3.51 MiB
root@fireball / # equery s seamonkey
That one is an old FF, 4.0b3pre, extracted from a .tar,bz2:
hafi@i5 ~/ff/firefox $ du -hs .
32M
Hm.
*
On 2011-09-05, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:
Graham Murray wonders:
Has the libreoffice ebuild suddenly developed stability problems? Today
is the 4th time in five days that my daily ~x86 emerge uD world has
rebuilt libreoffice. On 1st Sept it was because of a use flag change,
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