Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] install gentoo in mac powerpc 7300/200

2006-05-27 Thread Javier

Buenas,
intenta ejecutar un mac-fdisk -l para ver que discos tienes.
Seguramente no sea /dev/sda (eso es para scsi). Prueba con /dev/hda.

Saludos

On 27/05/06, Dpto. Sistemas - Fyg Publicitarios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello pls any talk spanish?

Buenas tardes , tengo una mac powerpc 7300/200 estoy tratando de instalar
gentoo con el cd universal 2006, bootee con el Xboot pues he configurado mi
red todo ok hasta ahi, despues de eso deseo crear mis particiones con
mac-fdisk pero tengo un error a la hora de crear , aca les muestro:

livecd root# mac-fdisk
command (? for help):c
No partition map exists

alguien me puede ayudar a crear mi mapa de particiones? tengo un disco duro
de 3 gb libres scsi

cuando digito
 mac-fdisk /dev/sda
sale el siguiente error :

mac-fdisk can't open file´/dev/sda´ (no such file or directory)
livecd root#


Muchas gracias por su ayuda


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Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] install gentoo in mac powerpc 7300/200

2006-05-27 Thread Javier

Ais, siento el error, si que tienes disco scsi, prueba a hacer el
listado con mac-fdisk -l  aver si reconoces tú disco.

Saludos

On 27/05/06, Javier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Buenas,
intenta ejecutar un mac-fdisk -l para ver que discos tienes.
Seguramente no sea /dev/sda (eso es para scsi). Prueba con /dev/hda.

Saludos

On 27/05/06, Dpto. Sistemas - Fyg Publicitarios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello pls any talk spanish?

 Buenas tardes , tengo una mac powerpc 7300/200 estoy tratando de instalar
 gentoo con el cd universal 2006, bootee con el Xboot pues he configurado mi
 red todo ok hasta ahi, despues de eso deseo crear mis particiones con
 mac-fdisk pero tengo un error a la hora de crear , aca les muestro:

 livecd root# mac-fdisk
 command (? for help):c
 No partition map exists

 alguien me puede ayudar a crear mi mapa de particiones? tengo un disco duro
 de 3 gb libres scsi

 cuando digito
  mac-fdisk /dev/sda
 sale el siguiente error :

 mac-fdisk can't open file´/dev/sda´ (no such file or directory)
 livecd root#


 Muchas gracias por su ayuda


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Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] install gentoo in mac powerpc 7300/200

2006-05-27 Thread Dpto. Sistemas - Fyg Publicitarios
Gracias por responder , al hacer mac-fdisk -l no me sale nada solo me vuelve al promtlivecd root #pero creo que cuando hago dev/sda esto lo que hace es buscar pero dentro del livecd no?pero lo que deberia de tratar es ubicar esa ubicacion dentro de mi disco duro.
Alguna otra sugerencia por favorGracias2006/5/27, Javier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ais, siento el error, si que tienes disco scsi, prueba a hacer ellistado con mac-fdisk -laver si reconoces tú disco.SaludosOn 27/05/06, Javier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: Buenas, intenta ejecutar un mac-fdisk -l para ver que discos tienes. Seguramente no sea /dev/sda (eso es para scsi). Prueba con /dev/hda. Saludos On 27/05/06, Dpto. Sistemas - Fyg Publicitarios 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hello pls any talk spanish?   Buenas tardes , tengo una mac powerpc 7300/200 estoy tratando de instalar  gentoo con el cd universal 2006, bootee con el Xboot pues he configurado mi
  red todo ok hasta ahi, despues de eso deseo crear mis particiones con  mac-fdisk pero tengo un error a la hora de crear , aca les muestro:   livecd root# mac-fdisk  command (? for help):c
  No partition map exists   alguien me puede ayudar a crear mi mapa de particiones? tengo un disco duro  de 3 gb libres scsi   cuando digito mac-fdisk /dev/sda
  sale el siguiente error :   mac-fdisk can't open file´/dev/sda´ (no such file or directory)  livecd root#Muchas gracias por su ayuda
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[gentoo-ppc-user] pbbuttonsd question

2006-05-27 Thread Eric Robertson
I am running gentoo on a 15 aluminum powerbook.  I am using the 
2.6.16.r5 kernel and pbbuttonsd 0.7.4.  I have been going over the man 
pages  online documentation but cannot figure out how to get the 
illuminated keyboard working.  pbbuttonsd does not error during load.  
The pbbuttonsd.conf file has not been modified from the default at the 
moment.  i2c-dev is compiled into the kernel, not as a module.  The LCD 
brightness buttons work but the keyboard light buttons dont.  The 
ambient light sensor appears to working because the lcd automatically 
adjusts brightness when I turn out the lights.  There are 8 i2c devices 
in /dev. 


What dependencies does i2c have?  what dependencies does pbbuttonsd have?

Thanks for your input...

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Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] pbbuttonsd question

2006-05-27 Thread Michael Hanselmann
Hello

On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 11:24:05AM -0400, Eric Robertson wrote:
 I am running gentoo on a 15 aluminum powerbook.

Which exact model? grep machine /proc/cpuinfo

Depending on that, you've the LMU behind the PMU or on I²C.

Thanks,
Michael

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

JimD wrote:

Ptitjack wrote:


Hi,

404 Error  Not found !

- Ptitjack -


Your not in the USA.  It is blocked by Google for non-US people right
now.


Wrong. How do you get this idea?


 However you can work around that by using NYU proxy:


Or by going directly to http://picasa.google.com/linux/, instead
of some strange proxy.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Fri, 26 May 2006 22:31:18 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:


 No, see this weeks Gentoo Weekly Newsletter.
 
 To upgrade to the new version (assuming you are using gcc-3.4), all
 that is required is to upgrade GCC and then select the new profile
 using gcc-config.

Wrong. An emerge -e world is required, if certain packages (like
qt) get compiled after having switched to gcc 4.1.1. See
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134447


I needed to run fix_libtool


fix_libtool wasn't enough to get KDE stuff working again. I needed
to recompile.


to get the new kdelibs update to compile. But
I re-emerged qt, so I could try kdehiddenvisibility


That's what I did and then KDE broke. As flameeyes wrote in the cited bug:

| We can't really do much, when you rebuilt qt3 and qt4 you made a two-versions
| linkage of libstdc++. Re-emerge of world is suggested.


and KDE continued to
work.


Not here.


Maybe i've not run one of the affected programs.


 Re-emerging

*everything* to fix a KDE problem seems like knee-jerk overkill.


Well, but that's what's suggested.

Anyway, it's plain wrong that NOTHING has to be done after upgrading
to gcc 4.1.1. Maybe an emerge -e world is required. And an emerge
-e world is *very* *much* from doing nothing...

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2006-05-27 Thread Anthony E. Caudel

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

On Saturday 27 May 2006 06:04, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:


I see that KDE 3.5 finally made it out of testing.  I plan to upgrade to
it but since it is slotted, I'll have to unmerge 3.4 first.  No problem,
but I think I will then have to recompile all non-kde but related apps,
such a k3b, that were compiled against the old libraries.  Right?



em, why do you think you'll have to unmerge 3.4?
They can coexist very nicely.


True.  But why keep 3.4?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/26/06, Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I see that KDE 3.5 finally made it out of testing.  I plan to upgrade to
it but since it is slotted, I'll have to unmerge 3.4 first.


You don't need to unmerge 3.4 _first_.  You can do it after you have
merged 3.5, although even then it is optional.


Does the fact that it does not use the kde
flag guarantee that it does not need the kde libraries?


No, like all USE flags, the kde flag is only for *optional* kde
support.  There are some applications that will not work at all
without KDE, even though they are not part of KDE.  Those applications
will not have a kde use flag, but will bring in whatever parts of kde
they depend on.  Examples are koffice, kdevelop, kmplayer, kaffeine,
...

equery depends kdelibs | grep -v kde-base/


Course, I guess I could blithely go along and as apps crash, I'll find
the others.


revdep-rebuild

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

On Friday 26 May 2006 21:28, Alexander Skwar wrote:

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 On Friday 26 May 2006 18:13, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
 Friday 26 May 2006 17:51 skrev Hemmann, Volker Armin:
  ok, but still less to type ;)

 But esearch is more than twice as long as eix... ;)

 I am using search less, than syncing, so still a win, and it is only
 eseatab ;)

Which is still 5 characters compared to 3 characters for eix :)


but eix-sync is still longer than esync (8 to 5) ;)


Nah, it's 5 to 5, so eix-sync is NOT longer than esync...

eix-tab

So, at best, eix is as bad as esearch, but normally eix is
faster to use - in every aspect.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2006-05-27 Thread Anthony E. Caudel

Richard Fish wrote:

On 5/26/06, Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I see that KDE 3.5 finally made it out of testing.  I plan to upgrade to
it but since it is slotted, I'll have to unmerge 3.4 first.



You don't need to unmerge 3.4 _first_.  You can do it after you have
merged 3.5, although even then it is optional.


Does the fact that it does not use the kde
flag guarantee that it does not need the kde libraries?



No, like all USE flags, the kde flag is only for *optional* kde
support.  There are some applications that will not work at all
without KDE, even though they are not part of KDE.  Those applications
will not have a kde use flag, but will bring in whatever parts of kde
they depend on.  Examples are koffice, kdevelop, kmplayer, kaffeine,
...

equery depends kdelibs | grep -v kde-base/


Course, I guess I could blithely go along and as apps crash, I'll find
the others.



revdep-rebuild

-Richard


Ah, thanks.  revdep-rebuild it is.

Tony

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread Kristian Poul Herkild
Alexander Skwar wrote:
 JimD wrote:
 Ptitjack wrote:

 Hi,

 404 Error  Not found !

 - Ptitjack -

 Your not in the USA.  It is blocked by Google for non-US people right
 now.
 
 Wrong. How do you get this idea?
 
  However you can work around that by using NYU proxy:
 
 Or by going directly to http://picasa.google.com/linux/, instead
 of some strange proxy.
 
 Alexander Skwar

It works now, but not in the beginning.

When the first news arrived, I couldn't get access to it unless through
a translated page. You can see the same problems being discussed at OSN.
The reason can be anything, but fact is, we couldn't get access in the
beginning.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

Kristian Poul Herkild wrote:



It works now, but not in the beginning.


Okay.


When the first news arrived, I couldn't get access to it unless through
a translated page. You can see the same problems being discussed at OSN.
The reason can be anything, but fact is, we couldn't get access in the
beginning.


Well, fact is, that we can now get access to the page. And
I wonder, why JimD posted, after it's been discovered that
this fact is outdated (the post from Raymond Lewis and
the replies have been sent before JimD sent his reply).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 27 May 2006 07:54:44 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

  and KDE continued to
  work.
 
 Not here.

I've had a few strange errors since posting that. Like one from Konqueror
when trying to load a page, which then loaded perfectly on the next try.

  Maybe i've not run one of the affected programs.
 
   Re-emerging
  *everything* to fix a KDE problem seems like knee-jerk overkill.
 
 Well, but that's what's suggested.

I think I'll pass on that one. Rebuilding all of KDE will take long
enough, but it seems prudent, I'm certainly not going to spend 16+ hours
rebuilding OOo if I don't need to.

 Anyway, it's plain wrong that NOTHING has to be done after upgrading
 to gcc 4.1.1. Maybe an emerge -e world is required. And an emerge
 -e world is *very* *much* from doing nothing...

Absolutely. The GWN posting was clearly optimistic :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2006-05-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 26 May 2006 23:04:12 -0500, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:

 I see that KDE 3.5 finally made it out of testing.  I plan to upgrade
 to it but since it is slotted, I'll have to unmerge 3.4 first.

The whole point of slotting is that you *don't* have to unmerge 3.4
first. You can continue to use 3.4 while merging 3.5, then you'll be
given the choice of 3.4 or 3.5 in KDm's menu. Only unmerge 3.4 when
you're sure everything is OK with 3.5 and you no longer need it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 27 May 2006 08:16:02 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

  but eix-sync is still longer than esync (8 to 5) ;)
 
 Nah, it's 5 to 5, so eix-sync is NOT longer than esync...

I really think you guys should read this page :)

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cron-guide.xml


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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread Steven Susbauer


On Sat, 27 May 2006, Alexander Skwar wrote:

 Kristian Poul Herkild wrote:

 
  It works now, but not in the beginning.

 Okay.

  When the first news arrived, I couldn't get access to it unless through
  a translated page. You can see the same problems being discussed at OSN.
  The reason can be anything, but fact is, we couldn't get access in the
  beginning.

 Well, fact is, that we can now get access to the page. And
 I wonder, why JimD posted, after it's been discovered that
 this fact is outdated (the post from Raymond Lewis and
 the replies have been sent before JimD sent his reply).

 Alexander Skwar


Probably something with DNS...
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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Steven Susbauer


On Sat, 27 May 2006, Neil Bothwick wrote:

 On Sat, 27 May 2006 07:54:44 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

   and KDE continued to
   work.
 
  Not here.

 I've had a few strange errors since posting that. Like one from Konqueror
 when trying to load a page, which then loaded perfectly on the next try.

   Maybe i've not run one of the affected programs.
 
Re-emerging
   *everything* to fix a KDE problem seems like knee-jerk overkill.
 
  Well, but that's what's suggested.

 I think I'll pass on that one. Rebuilding all of KDE will take long
 enough, but it seems prudent, I'm certainly not going to spend 16+ hours
 rebuilding OOo if I don't need to.

  Anyway, it's plain wrong that NOTHING has to be done after upgrading
  to gcc 4.1.1. Maybe an emerge -e world is required. And an emerge
  -e world is *very* *much* from doing nothing...

 Absolutely. The GWN posting was clearly optimistic :(



Why would an emerge -e world be required? It is not required to rebuild
every package using the new gcc. They will slowly be rebuilt when they are
upgraded. I have done nothing since upgrading and had not one issue. Why
would I, it doesn't even make sense? They are binaries, after all.
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

2006-05-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 26 May 2006 20:05:34 -0700 (PDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 $ grep USE  /etc/make.conf | grep -v ^#
 USE=berkdb innodb
 
 I have no /usr/portage/package.use
 
 $ grep USE  /etc/make.profile/make.defaults
 USE=alsa apm arts avi bitmap-fonts cups eds emboss encode fortran
 foomaticdb gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++
 libwww mad mikmod motif mp3 mpeg ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pdflib png qt
 quicktime sdl spell truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis X xml2
 xmms xv

The correct way to see which USE flags are in operation is

emerge --info | grep USE

This shows the combined effect of your profile and make.conf (but not
per-package settings from /etc/portage).


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-27 Thread Steven Susbauer


On Sat, 27 May 2006, Neil Bothwick wrote:

 On Sat, 27 May 2006 08:16:02 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

   but eix-sync is still longer than esync (8 to 5) ;)
 
  Nah, it's 5 to 5, so eix-sync is NOT longer than esync...

 I really think you guys should read this page :)

 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cron-guide.xml




Long story short, sudo echo emerge --sync 1/dev/null 21 
/etc/cron.daily/portsync, sudo chmod 755 /etc/cron.daily/portsync

Assuming you're on vixie-cron at least.
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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/tmp, no longer symlink to /tmp?

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

Steven Susbauer wrote:

Did I at some point screw up my system, or is /var/tmp no longer a link to
/tmp by default anymore?


On my systems, /var/tmp has never been a link to /tmp.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

Steven Susbauer wrote:


Long story short, sudo echo emerge --sync 1/dev/null 21 
/etc/cron.daily/portsync, sudo chmod 755 /etc/cron.daily/portsync


How will this update either the eix or the esearch databases?

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[gentoo-user] OT 0.0.0.0 security query

2006-05-27 Thread Dave S
Hi all,

This is a bit OT but I have a netgear router DG834 ADSL firewall router. I 
have restricted my incoming services with ...

Enable  Service Name  Action  LAN Server IP address  WAN Users  Log
on bit torrent  ALLOW always  192.168.0.5  Any  Always
 Default  Yes  Any  BLOCK always  Any  Any  Never

And tightened my outgoing services with ...

Enable  Service Name  Action  LAN Users  WAN Servers  Log
on  HTTP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
on  HTTPS  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
on  POP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
on  SMTP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
on  NTP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
on  FTP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
on  rsync  ALLOW always  Any  0.0.0.0  Never
on  GM Port 389   ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
on  GM Port 1503  ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
on  GM Port 1731  ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
on  GM 1024-65K  ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
on  H.323  ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
on  Port 1023  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
on  Samba  ALLOW always  Any  0.0.0.0  Always
on  samba2  ALLOW always  Any  0.0.0.0  Always
on  samba3  ALLOW always  Any  0.0.0.0  Always
on  Any(ALL)  BLOCK always  Any  Any  Always
 Default  Yes  Any  ALLOW always  Any  Any

Some services like rsync and samba I want to keep within my LAN but my DG834 
insists I give it a least one IP address on the WAN that my service can be 
broadcast to. I selected 0.0.0.0

Can anyone advise, am I going about this the right way, any comment greatly 
appreciated :)

Cheers

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[gentoo-user] QT slotting and non-portage apps

2006-05-27 Thread Andrew Gaydenko
Hi!

It isn't a secret, some apps don't take place inside the protage :-)
And some of them use QT3 with 'configure  make  make install' way.
Now I have (at ~x86) slotted QT installd - both 3 and 4 versions,
and autotools-building has these ot those errors.

Is there legal/Gentoo way to make these apps happy?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Problems configuring VMWare

2006-05-27 Thread Martin Larsson

On 5/24/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Well yes, he needs a -rsomething,


I've installed vmware-workstation-5.5.1.19175-r3.
But it seemed I had some old versions of vmware-files
in various locations. So I cleaned that up, and now I
can configure.

But when I attempt to actually *run* it, I get:

   vmware is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured
   for this system. To (re-)configure it, invoke the following command:
   /opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware-config.pl.

Running vmware-config.pl again just brings me back
to that same error.

M.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-27 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 20:23 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 26 May 2006 10:02:25 -0700, Lord Sauron wrote:
 
   you should try the ~x86 version of portage which has many
   improvements: $ echo sys-apps/portage ~x86
/etc/portage/package.use $ emerge portage
  
  Just a question, but there's got to be a reason why it's still in ~x86.
 
 Yes, it's less than 30 days old. ~arch does not mean unstable, it means
 still-in-testing.

In fact, since portage is on a continuous update-and-improvement move,
it will _always_ have a version in ~x86.  I run completely ~x86, and
even unmask some hard-masked packages (like gnome-2.14 used to be)
manually, and I haven't had any major issues.  The secret is to update
regularly.  If you run ~x86 and update monthly or less frequently, you
run the risk of multiple problems snowballing on you.

Nevertheless, if you have any reason to keep your system stable,
standard disclaimer applies: stay away from ~x86.  Just cause it works
for me, doesn't mean it always will.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-27 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 08:25 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:

 Also, unless this have changed dramatically, eix's database update is
 *much* faster than that of esearch - seconds vs. minutes.

I've heard that argument before, and I don't know why some people see
that behaviour - esearch only takes seconds for me...
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Re: [gentoo-user] VOIP solution for dump terminals?

2006-05-27 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 17:11 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
 Hello. In an office we helped set up, there are a lot of X terminals for the
 clerks. (These X terminals are the old computers from school's lab,
 installed simple Gentoo Linux only to start X). Now they need VIOP, is it
 possible?  I mean, is it possible the clerks use VOIP on X terminals, when
 the terminal equiped sound card, microphone but what they see on the screen
 is actually produced by the powerful server (which has only one sound card)?

It seems a weird way of doing it, but you could `ssh -Y` back to the
terminal PC and run skype (or whatever) from inside the ssh session...

maybe there is a better way though.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Sat, 2006-05-27 at 08:56 +0200, Kristian Poul Herkild wrote:
 Alexander Skwar wrote:
  JimD wrote:
  Ptitjack wrote:
 
  404 Error  Not found !
 
 It works now, but not in the beginning.

haha.  maybe it was gentoo-user-ed (although I doubt there are enough
readers here to flood google :)

anyway, does it upload anything to google?  I don't like the thought of
a gmail-for-pictures sort of app on my PC.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xdm is 'stopping'

2006-05-27 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 20:14 -0500, Peter Kelly wrote:
 Holas,
 
 Two days ago I updated the nvidia drivers, so I killed gdm and restarted xdm 
 to reload the newer modules.
 
 Problem is, it looks like xdm never restarted.
 
 root ~ $ /etc/init.d/xdm status
  * status:  stopping
 
 root ~ $ /etc/init.d/xdm stop
  * ERROR:  xdm is already stopping.
 
 rc-status gives
 xdm[ stopping ]
 
 Everything *seems* to work fine, but then there's that silly 'stopping' 
 comment that doesn't google very well.  Anyone seen this, or have an idea?

dunno, maybe the init script got confused.  Maybe a module couldn't get
unloaded and there's a please reboot kernel message sitting somewhere
on one of your terminals (it happens :)

If init.d/xdm got confused, just `ps aux | grep gdm` to make sure it's
not there, `killall Xorg` if you like, and then: `/etc/init.d/xdm zap`
to bring it back in line.  Then try starting it again.

HTH,
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[gentoo-user] libexpat / qt / kde

2006-05-27 Thread Uwe Thiem
Hi folks,

after an emerge ---sync and during an emerge --update world, qt-3.3.6 
doesn't compile anymore because it can't find libexpat.so.0. So I did 
an emerge --oneshot expat which tells me at the end that I should do 
a revdep-rebuild --library libexpat.so.0.

That gives me a *huge* list of packages which would be rebuilt. Most of them 
are kde-3.5 stuff. Since I am upgrading from kde-3.5.1 to kde-3.5.2 in the 
same process, I am not interested in rebuilding the old kde-3.5.1 stuff 
because it will be overwritten by kde-3.5.2 anyway.

How can I revdep-rebuild libexpat *without* all that obsolete kde stuff? It 
would save me a *lot* of time.

Uwe

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[gentoo-user] Re: libexpat / qt / kde

2006-05-27 Thread Francesco Talamona
On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:47, Uwe Thiem wrote:
 That gives me a *huge* list of packages which would be rebuilt. Most
 of them are kde-3.5 stuff. Since I am upgrading from kde-3.5.1 to
 kde-3.5.2 in the same process, I am not interested in rebuilding the
 old kde-3.5.1 stuff because it will be overwritten by kde-3.5.2
 anyway.

 How can I revdep-rebuild libexpat *without* all that obsolete kde
 stuff? It would save me a *lot* of time.

Run revdep-rebuild after the upgrade :-)

Or launch revdep-rebuild -a, it'll complain about the impossibility of 
interaction (implied by -a) and the execution within a script, so it 
will exit just after having generated a complete list of packages 
candidates to reemerge and before the emerge itself. The list name is 
something like /root/.revdep-rebuild_5.order

Ciao
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[gentoo-user] 3 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Paul Stear
Hi all,
For some time now I have been getting errors on boot.
1.  This happens a number of times:-
udev-event [1777]:find_free_number: %e is deprecated, will be removed and is 
unlikely to work correctly. Don't use it
What does this mean and how do I fix it?
1.  etc/modules.devfs not automatically copied modules update forced
again what does this mean and hoe do I fix it?
3.  2 days ago, after and emerge update of a load of programs, my usb 
printer 
does not work, it seems that the usb device is not as shown on the cups 
setup.  So I have been into the kde print manager and selected usb #1 as the 
printer port but when I try to select the correct printer I get an error:-
Unable to start the creation of the driver database. The execution of 
make_driver_db_cups failed.
Any thoughts as to how to resolve this?

emerge --info
Portage 2.1_rc2-r3 (default-linux/x86/2006.0, gcc-4.1.1, glibc-2.4-r3, 
2.6.16-gentoo-r7 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Gentoo Base System version 1.12.0
dev-lang/python: 2.4.3-r1
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5
dev-util/ccache: [Not Present]
dev-util/confcache:  [Not Present]
sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.18.1
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.59-r7
sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1-r2
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.22
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.11-r5
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 ~x86
AUTOCLEAN=yes
CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe

cups version = 1.1.23-r7
kde version 3.5.2
udev version 090

Any help will be much appreciated

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

Iain Buchanan wrote:

On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 08:25 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:


Also, unless this have changed dramatically, eix's database update is
*much* faster than that of esearch - seconds vs. minutes.


I've heard that argument before, and I don't know why some people see
that behaviour - esearch only takes seconds for me...


Are you really talking about *esearch* or about eupdate (or
what's it called)?

*esearch* is fast for me as well - but the update was so slow,
that I now finally dumped it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla-firefox-1.0.8 \w xorg-x11-6.8.2-r7 problem

2006-05-27 Thread Matthias Langer
On Sat, 2006-05-27 at 03:45 +0200, Matthias Langer wrote:
 On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 17:04 -0700, Steven Susbauer wrote:
  
  On Sat, 27 May 2006, Alexander Kirillov wrote:
  
   recently my sister descovered a strange and serious bug with
   mozilla-firefox-1.0.8 in combination with xorg-x11-6.8.2-r7. 
   After
   visiting
   http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofilefriendid=36939781
   xorg shuts down immediatly direct access to the box via the 
   terminal
   is
   impossible. logging in remotley via ssh still works ...
   
   can anyone with the above combination verify this ?
  
  Yep. Killed my X too. I have these same versions of xorg and 
  firefox.
  Fortunately I got a kdm login prompt again. The only relevant 
  messages
  I could find in the logs:
  
  # cat /var/log/messages
  ...
  May 26 01:10:39 baikal kdm[11220]: X server for display :0 
  terminated
  unexpectedly
  ...
  
  # cat /var/log/kdm.log
  ...
  *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (normal): 
  0x096128c0
  ***
  ...
  
  You probably should file a bug.
  Please post to the list if you have any new info on the subject.
 
 
Alexander, as you are the only one so far that can verify this bug, can
you post about:plugins to
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134373 ?

Thanks,
Matthias

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-27 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
Saturday 27 May 2006 13:42 skrev Iain Buchanan:
 I've heard that argument before, and I don't know why some people see
 that behaviour - esearch only takes seconds for me...

It's not the esearch binary versus the eix binary where there is a big 
difference. It's eupdatedb which takes a very long time compared to 
update-eix.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread Gian Domeni Calgeer
Am Samstag 27 Mai 2006 13.54 schrieb Iain Buchanan:
 On Sat, 2006-05-27 at 08:56 +0200, Kristian Poul Herkild wrote:
  Alexander Skwar wrote:
   JimD wrote:
   Ptitjack wrote:
   404 Error  Not found !
 
  It works now, but not in the beginning.

 haha.  maybe it was gentoo-user-ed (although I doubt there are enough
 readers here to flood google :)

 anyway, does it upload anything to google?  I don't like the thought of
 a gmail-for-pictures sort of app on my PC.

On http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html they write: Picasa won't 
delete your pictures or put them online without your permission. Of course 
this doesn't mean anything, it might upload pictures without putting them 
online, but I don't think so. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] 3 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Matthias Langer
On Sat, 2006-05-27 at 14:00 +0100, Paul Stear wrote:
 Hi all,
 For some time now I have been getting errors on boot.
 1.This happens a number of times:-
 udev-event [1777]:find_free_number: %e is deprecated, will be removed and is 
 unlikely to work correctly. Don't use it
 What does this mean and how do I fix it?

Well, there was a thread about this here some time ago (i get this
message too on all my boxes) ... The conclusion was: don't care about it
(gregkh, one of the autors of udev maintains the udev-ebuilds for gentoo
himself. i guess he knows what he is doing).

 1.etc/modules.devfs not automatically copied modules update forced
 again what does this mean and hoe do I fix it?
 3.2 days ago, after and emerge update of a load of programs, my usb 
 printer 
 does not work, it seems that the usb device is not as shown on the cups 
 setup.  So I have been into the kde print manager and selected usb #1 as the 
 printer port but when I try to select the correct printer I get an error:-
 Unable to start the creation of the driver database. The execution of 
 make_driver_db_cups failed.
 Any thoughts as to how to resolve this?

maybe '# revdep-rebuild' ? just a guess ...

Matthias

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Re: [gentoo-user] xdm is 'stopping' [SOLVED]

2006-05-27 Thread Peter Kelly
On Saturday 27 May 2006 06:56, Iain Buchanan wrote:
 On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 20:14 -0500, Peter Kelly wrote:
  Holas,
 

 
  Everything *seems* to work fine, but then there's that silly 'stopping'
  comment that doesn't google very well.  Anyone seen this, or have an
  idea?

 dunno, maybe the init script got confused.  Maybe a module couldn't get
 unloaded and there's a please reboot kernel message sitting somewhere
 on one of your terminals (it happens :)

 If init.d/xdm got confused, just `ps aux | grep gdm` to make sure it's
 not there, `killall Xorg` if you like, and then: `/etc/init.d/xdm zap`
 to bring it back in line.  Then try starting it again.

That did it.  I never knew about the 'zap' command.
Anyhow, everything is 'started' again.

Thanks.

Peter

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2006-05-27 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Saturday 27 May 2006 08:03, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
  On Saturday 27 May 2006 06:04, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 I see that KDE 3.5 finally made it out of testing.  I plan to upgrade to
 it but since it is slotted, I'll have to unmerge 3.4 first.  No problem,
 but I think I will then have to recompile all non-kde but related apps,
 such a k3b, that were compiled against the old libraries.  Right?
 
  em, why do you think you'll have to unmerge 3.4?
  They can coexist very nicely.

 True.  But why keep 3.4?

because 3.5 has some bugs - and some people have less problems tolerate this 
bugs than others.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2006-05-27 Thread fire-eyes
On Saturday 27 May 2006 10:41, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
  True.  But why keep 3.4?

 because 3.5 has some bugs - and some people have less problems tolerate
 this bugs than others.

I must agree here. I have been using the 3.5 ebuilds since they entered the 
tree many months) on two systems.

I still consider it buggy, and am quite surprised they have gone stable in 
gentoo.

While they are not major issues, they are definately annoyances: One is that 
konqueror has an interestingly difficult time scrolling up and down pages if 
they have text boxes which are populated with text in them.

Another is that kmail crashes. A *LOT*. A minimum of two times a day on me, I 
have seen as high as five.

I do not consider 3.5 stable

It is a wise idea to use the slotting feature, and keep 3.4.

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[gentoo-user] Modules dependencies problem!

2006-05-27 Thread El TuZa

Hi guys, I'm having a problem during initialization. It happens that
50% of the time that I boot my desktop, when Calculating module
dependencies says Failed to load modules dependencies (with the
corresponding red exclamation marks) and when it gets to the loggin
message it never loads kdm, and once I log via console I can't load
kdm either.
That's very annoying because the only way I can find now is to reboot
and see if now it loads modules dependencies (usually the second time
works fine).
Did anybody have that kind of problem? What could I do?
Thanks,
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[gentoo-user] Re: Modules dependencies problem!

2006-05-27 Thread El TuZa

Oh, just in case...I'm running Gentoo 2005.1 for AMD64

On 5/27/06, El TuZa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi guys, I'm having a problem during initialization. It happens that
50% of the time that I boot my desktop, when Calculating module
dependencies says Failed to load modules dependencies (with the
corresponding red exclamation marks) and when it gets to the loggin
message it never loads kdm, and once I log via console I can't load
kdm either.
That's very annoying because the only way I can find now is to reboot
and see if now it loads modules dependencies (usually the second time
works fine).
Did anybody have that kind of problem? What could I do?
Thanks,
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[gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Jason Weisberger

List,

I figure upgrading to GCC 4.1.1 from 3.4.5 wouldn't be such a pain,
right?  WRONG.  So far I've had just about every problem under the
sun, mostly in the form of filesize errors which I wouldn't think
would be related to GCC, but then again:

app-admin/perl-cleaner
x11-proto/xextproto
x11-proto/xcmiscproto-1.1.2

These packages quit on me after telling me that the reported filesize
by the ebuild wasn't equal to the downloaded filesize.  This only
happened with gcc-config 6 (4.1.1).  When I switched back to 3.4.5,
emerge -e world was flawless.  Very odd.

I also had several packages quit on me related to gnome and GTK.
Complaints were usually related to GTK being compiled and installed,
however would not run.

If these are the type of problems we're going to see with 4.1.1, I
would have to vote that it stay masked.  Testing isn't even the word
for this so far.  I had to revert back to my 3.4.5 gcc and re-emerge
system after having too many errors to warrant continuing.

Maybe I'll check back in a while, or if someone has a solution, I'd be
more than willing to listen.


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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

Jason Weisberger wrote:


I figure upgrading to GCC 4.1.1 from 3.4.5 wouldn't be such a pain,
right?  WRONG.


Yes, very much so. See my Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?
thread.


These packages quit on me after telling me that the reported filesize
by the ebuild wasn't equal to the downloaded filesize.


Were the errors correct? I mean, did the filesizes differ?


I also had several packages quit on me


How?


If these are the type of problems we're going to see with 4.1.1, I
would have to vote that it stay masked.


Yep.


 Testing isn't even the word
for this so far.  I had to revert back to my 3.4.5 gcc and re-emerge
system after having too many errors to warrant continuing.


Hm. But there are people, who ran emerge -e world with gcc 4.1.1
and don't have problems. I suppose you'll only have problems, when
you mix 3.x and 4.x.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Mark Loeser
Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 Jason Weisberger wrote:
 
 I figure upgrading to GCC 4.1.1 from 3.4.5 wouldn't be such a pain,
 right?  WRONG.
 
 Yes, very much so. See my Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?
 thread.

Yea, since the soname was the same, I was under the impression that
mixing would be fine, and I never ran into a problem.  Now that I
have unmasked it and more people are testing, I see that people are
actually running into issues.  So, my mistake.  Sorry.  If you are doing
any upgrade of GCC that is something like 3.3-3.4, or 3.4-4.1,
recompiling everything is probably a good first step to ensuring your
system will be sane.  We try to cut down on work that people will have
to do and see if mixed installs will work, but in this case, I was
wrong that you would be able to do that.

 If these are the type of problems we're going to see with 4.1.1, I
 would have to vote that it stay masked.
 
 Yep.

I've yet to see cause for saying this.  Moving to a completely new
version of gcc, as in 3.x - 4.x, is a huge move.  I think the small
amount of problems that we are seeing now is great, and if you are using
~arch, you should expect little bumps in the road.  We can only do so
much testing in p.mask, and all of the people using it there were
telling me that it was working fine for them.

  Testing isn't even the word
 for this so far.  I had to revert back to my 3.4.5 gcc and re-emerge
 system after having too many errors to warrant continuing.
 
 Hm. But there are people, who ran emerge -e world with gcc 4.1.1
 and don't have problems. I suppose you'll only have problems, when
 you mix 3.x and 4.x.

Just following the GCC Upgrading Guide [1], and you should be fine.
There will always be a few people that run into problems, and there
isn't much we can do about that.  If you think you found a real bug,
please report it, or we can't ever fix it.

[1]: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml

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Re: [gentoo-user] SSH hosed, only rubble remains

2006-05-27 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On 5/27/06, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Password: debug1: packet_send2: adding 32 (len 25 padlen 7 extra_pad 64) debug2: input_userauth_info_req debug2: input_userauth_info_req: num_prompts 0 debug1: packet_send2: adding 48 (len 10 padlen 6 extra_pad 64)
 debug1: ssh-userauth2 successful: method keyboard-interactive debug3: clear hostkey 0 debug3: clear hostkey 1 debug3: clear hostkey 2 debug1: fd 4 setting O_NONBLOCK debug1: fd 5 setting O_NONBLOCK
 debug1: channel 0: new [client-session] debug3: ssh_session2_open: channel_new: 0 debug1: send channel open 0 debug1: Entering interactive session. debug2: callback start debug1: ssh_session2_setup: id 0
 debug1: Sending command: scp -v -t . debug1: channel request 0: exec debug2: callback done debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 debug2: channel 0: rcvd adjust 131072
okay, so in this instance, you're trying an scp...what happens whenyou do an ssh?and does anything at all show up in the logs on theserver?In the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file, there can be a LogLevelentry.try DEBUG2 or DEBUG3
--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listOkay, I set LogLevel=DEBUG3 and reloaded sshd, but I got no more
output than usual:
May 27 09:14:55 treat sshd[11739]: Received SIGHUP; restarting.
May 27 09:14:55 treat sshd[2352]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22.
May 27 09:15:31 treat sshd[2356]: Connection from 64.166.164.53 port 32776
May 27 09:15:36 treat sshd[2356]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for kevin from 64.166.164.53 port 32776 ssh2
May 27 09:15:36 treat sshd(pam_unix)[2361]: session opened for user kevin by (uid=0)

And when it's ssh instead of scp, I get:

May 27 09:20:53 treat sshd[2392]: Connection from 64.166.164.53 port 32777
May 27 09:20:57 treat sshd[2392]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for kevin from 64.166.164.53 port 32777 ssh2
May 27 09:20:57 treat sshd(pam_unix)[2402]: session opened for user kevin by (uid=0)
May 27 09:21:01 treat sshd[2402]: Connection closed by 64.166.164.53
May 27 09:21:01 treat sshd(pam_unix)[2402]: session closed for user kevin
May 27 09:21:01 treat sshd[2402]: Closing connection to 64.166.164.53

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Eskej
On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:40:06 +0400, Jason Weisberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



app-admin/perl-cleaner

These packages quit on me after telling me that the reported filesize
by the ebuild wasn't equal to the downloaded filesize.  This only
happened with gcc-config 6 (4.1.1).  When I switched back to 3.4.5,
emerge -e world was flawless.  Very odd.



I have just switched to gcc 4.1.1 and experienced the same. All worked out  
after `emerge --sync'.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

gcc update Nothing needs to be done Sure... How much did the
person who wrote this check? Hello World! worked, and that's it?

Sometimes this complete lack of QA is really pissing me off :(


Stop using ~arch packages, or stop whining.  ~arch works most of the
time, but it is a _testing_ branch.  Do you expect the devs to login
to each and every Gentoo user's system to test a new package and
ensure complete functionality before adding it to ~arch?

I just upgraded to gcc-4.1 and pruned 3.4.6, and KDE, koffice, OOo,
and mozilla all still load and run fine.  Since these are all heavy
C++ users, I am sure that for my (pure ~x86) system, there are no
issues.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Alexander Skwar wrote:

 Well, fact is, that we can now get access to the page. And
 I wonder, why JimD posted, after it's been discovered that
 this fact is outdated (the post from Raymond Lewis and
 the replies have been sent before JimD sent his reply).
 
 Alexander Skwar

Dude, get over it!  Who cares.  I didn't read every post before I posted
a link.  After I posted the link and then I later read that it was
working for non-US people.  I live in the US so I didn't have a problem.
 Just though I would help non-US folks that wanted to try it out.

Stop being so anal about the time frame of when I sent my post.  Jeeez!

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[gentoo-user] kreetingkard ebuild?

2006-05-27 Thread Michael W. Holdeman
I did some googleing, and need a kreetingkard ebuild, anyone know if there are 
any around??

Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2006-05-27 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Saturday 27 May 2006 17:01, fire-eyes wrote:
 On Saturday 27 May 2006 10:41, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
   True.  But why keep 3.4?
 
  because 3.5 has some bugs - and some people have less problems tolerate
  this bugs than others.

 I must agree here. I have been using the 3.5 ebuilds since they entered the
 tree many months) on two systems.

 I still consider it buggy, and am quite surprised they have gone stable
 in gentoo.

 While they are not major issues, they are definately annoyances: One is
 that konqueror has an interestingly difficult time scrolling up and down
 pages if they have text boxes which are populated with text in them.

 Another is that kmail crashes. A *LOT*. A minimum of two times a day on me,
 I have seen as high as five.

kmail crashes me a lot because of this:
it tries to fetch mails from a defunc server (it is still in the prefs, 
because it will be back in some weeks - and I don't know the pw anymore). 
When I close kmail, while it waits for the timeouts: crash
Or it won't really stop (kmail and kio_pop3 still visible in ps aux), 
advantage, when I start kmail again, I don't have to type in the 
kwallet-pw ... 

Oh, and logout most of the times only works on the second try ...

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Re: [gentoo-user] SSH hosed, only rubble remains

2006-05-27 Thread John Jolet

Okay, I set LogLevel=DEBUG3 and reloaded sshd, but I got no more
output than usual:
May 27 09:14:55 treat sshd[11739]: Received SIGHUP; restarting.
May 27 09:14:55 treat sshd[2352]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22.
May 27 09:15:31 treat sshd[2356]: Connection from 64.166.164.53  
port 32776
May 27 09:15:36 treat sshd[2356]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam  
for kevin from 64.166.164.53 port 32776 ssh2
May 27 09:15:36 treat sshd(pam_unix)[2361]: session opened for user  
kevin by (uid=0)


And when it's ssh instead of scp, I get:

May 27 09:20:53 treat sshd[2392]: Connection from 64.166.164.53  
port 32777
May 27 09:20:57 treat sshd[2392]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam  
for kevin from 64.166.164.53 port 32777 ssh2
May 27 09:20:57 treat sshd(pam_unix)[2402]: session opened for user  
kevin by (uid=0)

May 27 09:21:01 treat sshd[2402]: Connection closed by 64.166.164.53
May 27 09:21:01 treat sshd(pam_unix)[2402]: session closed for user  
kevin

May 27 09:21:01 treat sshd[2402]: Closing connection to 64.166.164.53

Which covers a simple login-logout sequence.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libexpat / qt / kde

2006-05-27 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 27 May 2006 14:00, Francesco Talamona wrote:
 On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:47, Uwe Thiem wrote:
  That gives me a *huge* list of packages which would be rebuilt. Most
  of them are kde-3.5 stuff. Since I am upgrading from kde-3.5.1 to
  kde-3.5.2 in the same process, I am not interested in rebuilding the
  old kde-3.5.1 stuff because it will be overwritten by kde-3.5.2
  anyway.
 
  How can I revdep-rebuild libexpat *without* all that obsolete kde
  stuff? It would save me a *lot* of time.

 Run revdep-rebuild after the upgrade :-)

Since qt doesn't compile - or rather doesn't link as stated in my original 
mail - that isn't an option. Anyway, I found the offending libraries by now, 
re-emerged them, and my world update is under way.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Saturday 27 May 2006 17:40, Jason Weisberger wrote:
 List,

 I figure upgrading to GCC 4.1.1 from 3.4.5 wouldn't be such a pain,
 right?  WRONG.  So far I've had just about every problem under the
 sun, mostly in the form of filesize errors which I wouldn't think
 would be related to GCC, but then again:

 app-admin/perl-cleaner
 x11-proto/xextproto
 x11-proto/xcmiscproto-1.1.2

 These packages quit on me after telling me that the reported filesize
 by the ebuild wasn't equal to the downloaded filesize.  This only
 happened with gcc-config 6 (4.1.1).  When I switched back to 3.4.5,
 emerge -e world was flawless.  Very odd.

so run ebuild blabla.ebuild digest

wow, that is hard...

if you are trying software from the ~ tree, you are expected to deal with some 
hiccups.

btw, I did the gcc 3.4.x--4.1 step some weeks ago.

And just to be safe, I did an -e system followed by an -e world.

Was a good decision - I did not run in any major problems.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

Richard Fish wrote:

On 5/27/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

gcc update Nothing needs to be done Sure... How much did the
person who wrote this check? Hello World! worked, and that's it?

Sometimes this complete lack of QA is really pissing me off :(


Stop using ~arch packages, or stop whining.


No, I won't do neither. The GWN and the upgrade doc used to say,
that an upgrade is (basically) riskless.

That's wrong - as it has been confirmed and corrected now. If that
warning would have been there in the gcc-upgrade doc, everything
would have been fine.


 ~arch works most of the
time, but it is a _testing_ branch.  Do you expect the devs to login
to each and every Gentoo user's system to test a new package and
ensure complete functionality before adding it to ~arch?


Bullshit.

I'd expect them to do testing and not give so bold statements
as The upgrade should be incredibly easy and require no additional
work to install and use.  without making VERY sure, that this
is actually true.

Granted - there's only so much that can be done. And also
granted, that's ~arch. But that statement is just so irritating.

And what's also irritating are so many small errors, like files
with non-matching filesizes/checksums in the digests.


I just upgraded to gcc-4.1 and pruned 3.4.6, and KDE, koffice, OOo,
and mozilla all still load and run fine.


Did you yet re-compile Qt 3 and Qt 4? No?

Then you're experiences just don't count. KDE broke on my
system, when I recompiled Qt. Before the recompile, KDE was fine.
As I've wrote in lengths on the bug report. Seems you've not read
it - why not? Why am I writing reports and *also* post links
here?

Did you try to compile glib? No? Then I guess you've done no testing.

Or what kind of testing have you done?


 Since these are all heavy
C++ users, I am sure that for my (pure ~x86) system, there are no
issues.


Congrats. It's not only me who's having problems.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread Lord Sauron

To clear this up, I will send the .tar.gz file to anyone who asks for
it.  Just beware: it's over 20 megs, so I'm going to have to slice it
into many files so that you can re-assemble it.  My email won't send
over ten megs.  But if you're having trouble, I'll send it.  Just
contact me (preferably off-list - we don't need to clog up everyone's
inbox all at the same time, I don't think).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-27 Thread Lord Sauron

On 5/27/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Saturday 27 May 2006 13:42 skrev Iain Buchanan:
 I've heard that argument before, and I don't know why some people see
 that behaviour - esearch only takes seconds for me...

It's not the esearch binary versus the eix binary where there is a big
difference. It's eupdatedb which takes a very long time compared to
update-eix.


Is this getting to the point of ferocity of the legendary emacs vs. vi
wars I've heard so much about?

At this rate, I'm inclined to recommend Kuroo to all of you.  I've
been kicking the tires in on it, and it's really quite good.

http://kuroo.org/

app-portage/kuroo

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Re: [gentoo-user] xdm is 'stopping' [SOLVED]

2006-05-27 Thread Teresa and Dale
Peter Kelly wrote:

On Saturday 27 May 2006 06:56, Iain Buchanan wrote:
  

On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 20:14 -0500, Peter Kelly wrote:


Holas,

  


  

Everything *seems* to work fine, but then there's that silly 'stopping'
comment that doesn't google very well.  Anyone seen this, or have an
idea?
  

dunno, maybe the init script got confused.  Maybe a module couldn't get
unloaded and there's a please reboot kernel message sitting somewhere
on one of your terminals (it happens :)

If init.d/xdm got confused, just `ps aux | grep gdm` to make sure it's
not there, `killall Xorg` if you like, and then: `/etc/init.d/xdm zap`
to bring it back in line.  Then try starting it again.



That did it.  I never knew about the 'zap' command.
Anyhow, everything is 'started' again.

Thanks.

Peter

  


I didn't know about it until a little while back.  That thing comes in
handy.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Saturday 27 May 2006 19:58, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Richard Fish wrote:
  On 5/27/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  gcc update Nothing needs to be done Sure... How much did the
  person who wrote this check? Hello World! worked, and that's it?
 
  Sometimes this complete lack of QA is really pissing me off :(
 
  Stop using ~arch packages, or stop whining.

 No, I won't do neither. The GWN and the upgrade doc used to say,
 that an upgrade is (basically) riskless.



no it does not.
You are talking bullshit. 

GWN:

The number of applications that do not compile with gcc-4.1 is extremely small 
now, and most users should not experience any problems with ~arch packages 
not compiling.

Read it, understand it. It is hard, I know. But it does not say 'riskless'. 
Not even 'basically riskless'. Read again.

And the uzpgrade guide says:
Generally speaking, upgrades to bug fix releases, like from 3.3.5 to 3.3.6, 
should be quite safe -- just emerge new version, switch your system to use it 
and rebuild the only affected package, libtool. However, some GCC upgrades 
break binary compatibility; in such cases a rebuild of the affected packages 
(or even whole toolchain and system) might be required.



   ~arch works most of the
  time, but it is a _testing_ branch.  Do you expect the devs to login
  to each and every Gentoo user's system to test a new package and
  ensure complete functionality before adding it to ~arch?

 Bullshit.

 I'd expect them to do testing and not give so bold statements
 as The upgrade should be incredibly easy and require no additional
 work to install and use.  without making VERY sure, that this
 is actually true.


and ~arch is the testing ground. Basic testing 'it works or it works not' are 
the hard-masked packages.
Maybe you should calm down?
Or do you want to stay in your sulk-mode and act like a prima donna?


 And what's also irritating are so many small errors, like files
 with non-matching filesizes/checksums in the digests.

  I just upgraded to gcc-4.1 and pruned 3.4.6, and KDE, koffice, OOo,
  and mozilla all still load and run fine.

 Did you yet re-compile Qt 3 and Qt 4? No?

 Then you're experiences just don't count. KDE broke on my
 system, when I recompiled Qt. Before the recompile, KDE was fine.
 As I've wrote in lengths on the bug report. Seems you've not read
 it - why not? Why am I writing reports and *also* post links
 here?


oh, that is sooo surprising. Most of the times, a qt-update requires 
recompiling kdelibs, base and network (and kdepim). Something that happens 
even without gcc-updates.

 Did you try to compile glib? No? Then I guess you've done no testing.

if he does not have glib?

 Or what kind of testing have you done?

enough for his system?


   Since these are all heavy
  C++ users, I am sure that for my (pure ~x86) system, there are no
  issues.

 Congrats. It's not only me who's having problems.


no, you are not the only one, but you are one who makes a lot of fuss about 
problems, that are easy to solve and even happen without any gcc updates  - 
and you should have learnt to deal with a long time ago.
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Re: [gentoo-user] xdm is 'stopping' [SOLVED]

2006-05-27 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
Saturday 27 May 2006 16:16 skrev Peter Kelly:
 That did it.  I never knew about the 'zap' command.
 Anyhow, everything is 'started' again.

You people really should read the Gentoo handbook. Not just the installation 
related part but also part 2-4. It's really good. E.g. the 'zap' command is 
documented in part 2, chapter 4 [1].

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2chap=4

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, Jason Weisberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

List,

I figure upgrading to GCC 4.1.1 from 3.4.5 wouldn't be such a pain,
right?  WRONG.  So far I've had just about every problem under the
sun, mostly in the form of filesize errors which I wouldn't think
would be related to GCC, but then again:

app-admin/perl-cleaner


I think this has nothing to do with the gcc upgrade.  More likely it
is simply because you were doing an emerge -e world.  I see the same
thing on my system:


checking perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz

!!! Digest verification failed:
!!! /usr/portage/packages/sources/perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz
!!! Reason: Filesize does not match recorded size
!!! Got: 4954
!!! Expected: 4611

~  grep perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz /usr/portage/app-admin/perl-cleaner/Manifest
DIST perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz 4611 RMD160
2008ea90c056c4db5f1e897dcf9b4fc56c4bc2ea SHA1
22b83c8266518ee0e42a5648ac3715bdfb7f8a68 SHA256
fe41245499829c473dc27afe76c328341ffa04933873a905d29b5d48e56218b3

~  ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root portage 4954 Feb 20 07:02
/usr/portage/distfiles/perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz

So the Manifest really does list 4611 bytes as the expected size, but
my distfile is 4954 bytes.  Most likely the Manifest was updated (via
an emerge --sync) after I merged 1.03.  But there was no bump in the
ebuild version, so I never saw this on any of my normal upgrades...not
until I tried to merge it again.


These packages quit on me after telling me that the reported filesize
by the ebuild wasn't equal to the downloaded filesize.  This only
happened with gcc-config 6 (4.1.1).  When I switched back to 3.4.5,
emerge -e world was flawless.  Very odd.


Can you elaborate on this?  I cannot duplicate it:

carcharias ~ # gcc-config 1
* Switching native-compiler to i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6 ...

Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache...


[ ok ]

* If you intend to use the gcc from the new profile in an already
* running shell, please remember to do:

*   # source /etc/profile

carcharias ~ # source /etc/profile
carcharias ~ # emerge --oneshot perl-cleaner
Calculating dependencies... done!

Emerging (1 of 1) app-admin/perl-cleaner-1.03 to /
checking ebuild checksums ;-)
checking auxfile checksums ;-)
checking miscfile checksums ;-)
checking perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz

!!! Digest verification failed:
!!! /usr/portage/packages/sources/perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz
!!! Reason: Filesize does not match recorded size
!!! Got: 4954
!!! Expected: 4611

In any case this should be solved by deleting the offending distfiles
and letting them be downloaded again.


I also had several packages quit on me related to gnome and GTK.
Complaints were usually related to GTK being compiled and installed,
however would not run.


Without more data (the specific error messages), it is hard to say
whether this is related to the 4.1.1 upgrade or not.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] xdm is 'stopping' [SOLVED]

2006-05-27 Thread Teresa and Dale
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:

Saturday 27 May 2006 16:16 skrev Peter Kelly:
  

That did it.  I never knew about the 'zap' command.
Anyhow, everything is 'started' again.



You people really should read the Gentoo handbook. Not just the installation 
related part but also part 2-4. It's really good. E.g. the 'zap' command is 
documented in part 2, chapter 4 [1].

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2chap=4

BTW common netiquette says a signature should be no more than 4 lines.

  


May be.  I installed Gentoo a couple years ago.  I sort of learn as I
go.  If I read that thing it would likely confuse me.  I'm in the same
boat with Samba right now.  The docs and howto's just confuse the
stuffin out of me.  I'm having trouble on the windoze end though, I
think.  I'll blame windoze anyway.  LOL

Now to go confuse myself.  O_O

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

so run ebuild blabla.ebuild digest

wow, that is hard...


Probably better to just delete the distfiles and let them be
downloaded again though...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Alexander Skwar

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

On Saturday 27 May 2006 19:58, Alexander Skwar wrote:

Richard Fish wrote:
 On 5/27/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 gcc update Nothing needs to be done Sure... How much did the
 person who wrote this check? Hello World! worked, and that's it?

 Sometimes this complete lack of QA is really pissing me off :(

 Stop using ~arch packages, or stop whining.

No, I won't do neither. The GWN and the upgrade doc used to say,
that an upgrade is (basically) riskless.


no it does not.


Yes, it does.

You are talking bullshit. 


Am I?


GWN:

The number of applications that do not compile with gcc-4.1 is extremely small 
now, and most users should not experience any problems with ~arch packages 
not compiling.


Yes, read it. I'm not complaining about packages which do not compile because
of gcc 4.1.1. I complained because KDE stopped working. I complained, because
I had to re-compile glibc, so that I could compile glib.

So, please YOU read again.

Read it, understand it. It is hard, I know. But it does not say 'riskless'. 
Not even 'basically riskless'. Read again.


Yes, please do so - please read again. Make note of the sentence right
before the sentence, which you've quoted:

| The upgrade should be incredibly easy and require no additional work to
| install and use.

If that's not basically riskless, then I don't know what basically riskless 
is.


And the uzpgrade guide says:


The upgrade doc used to say, that upgrading from 3.4.x to 4.1.1 will be
painless (I don't know the exact words anymore, as the box has been
thankfully removed, which is VERY good).

Generally speaking, upgrades to bug fix releases, like from 3.3.5 to 3.3.6, 
should be quite safe -- just emerge new version, switch your system to use it 
and rebuild the only affected package, libtool. However, some GCC upgrades 
break binary compatibility;


And it said, that 4.1.1 was supposed to be binary compatible to 3.4.6.

in such cases a rebuild of the affected packages 
(or even whole toolchain and system) might be required.


And thus, a rebuild of world/tc/system wouldn't be required.


  ~arch works most of the
 time, but it is a _testing_ branch.  Do you expect the devs to login
 to each and every Gentoo user's system to test a new package and
 ensure complete functionality before adding it to ~arch?

Bullshit.

I'd expect them to do testing and not give so bold statements
as The upgrade should be incredibly easy and require no additional
work to install and use.  without making VERY sure, that this
is actually true.



and ~arch is the testing ground. Basic testing 'it works or it works not' are 
the hard-masked packages.


I guess we'll disagree about the level of basic testing. IMO there should
be different levels for ordinary packages (say net-mail/safecat) and rather
low level system packages like gcc, glibc - and maybe everything in the sys-*
categories.


Maybe you should calm down?


I am calm. Just don't tell me, that everything's fine, when it actually
isn't.


Did you yet re-compile Qt 3 and Qt 4? No?

Then you're experiences just don't count. KDE broke on my
system, when I recompiled Qt. Before the recompile, KDE was fine.
As I've wrote in lengths on the bug report. Seems you've not read
it - why not? Why am I writing reports and *also* post links
here?


oh, that is sooo surprising.


Yes, it is, isn't it?

Most of the times, a qt-update requires 
recompiling kdelibs, base and network (and kdepim).


Where was there a Qt update?

So, thanks for agreeing with me

Something that happens 
even without gcc-updates.


No, it doesn't.


Did you try to compile glib? No? Then I guess you've done no testing.


if he does not have glib?


Then he installs it.


Or what kind of testing have you done?


enough for his system?


Not enough to experience the errors which have been reported here.


  Since these are all heavy
 C++ users, I am sure that for my (pure ~x86) system, there are no
 issues.

Congrats. It's not only me who's having problems.



no, you are not the only one, but you are one who makes a lot of fuss about 
problems, that are easy to solve


Pardon, but an emerge -e world is not easy to solve. Sure, it's not
that hard, but it takes so very long and because of that, it's to be
avoided like the plague.

And also pardon me, when I'm annoyed because of too bold statements
which turn out to be wrong. If it says no problems expected, then
that's what I expect. I don't expect to run into deep problems. And
the GWN and upgrade doc clearly stated, that there were no problems
to be expected.

Heck - the GWN still says so. You should just read it yourself. Or
let me read it to you:

| The upgrade should be incredibly easy and require no additional
| work to install and use. The number of applications that do not
| compile with gcc-4.1 is extremely small now, and most users should
| not experience any problems with ~arch packages not compiling.

So, emerge -e world is no additional 

Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Stop using ~arch packages, or stop whining.

No, I won't do neither. The GWN and the upgrade doc used to say,
that an upgrade is (basically) riskless.


Well I can't force you to do anything.  You found a problem, reported
a bug, and got the documentation fixed.  Great, all useful
contributions to a community supported distribution.

However you have also attacked the Gentoo devs.  You have insinuated
that they are lazy and/or careless.  You do remember that Gentoo devs
are unpaid volunteers doing this in their spare time, right?  And this
is how you choose to thank them for that gift?


That's wrong - as it has been confirmed and corrected now. If that
warning would have been there in the gcc-upgrade doc, everything
would have been fine.


And it will be when gcc 4.1.1 goes out of ~arch, so the stable users
will know they need to do an emerge -e world.  Yeah for them!


Bullshit.


My thoughts exactly...


I'd expect them to do testing and not give so bold statements
as The upgrade should be incredibly easy and require no additional
work to install and use.  without making VERY sure, that this
is actually true.


They added it to ~arch to make VERY sure that this was true, and it wasn't.


And what's also irritating are so many small errors, like files
with non-matching filesizes/checksums in the digests.


The filesize issue is probably because the distfile changed without an
change in the ebuild version.  So you can get a new Manifest (from
emerge --sync) that doesn't match the actual distfile you have, and
get a filesize mismatch the next time you try to merge that same
version, e.g. when doing an emerge -e world.  This is rare, but it
does happen.

The evidence that this is in any way related to the gcc upgrade is
pretty thin...


 I just upgraded to gcc-4.1 and pruned 3.4.6, and KDE, koffice, OOo,
 and mozilla all still load and run fine.

Did you yet re-compile Qt 3 and Qt 4? No?


For the sake of argument, I just did.  Guess what?  The only bad
thing that happened is my KDE theme went away.  No big deal, I've seen
it before when upgrading qt, and although I'm not sure what causes it,
I know that remerging kdelibs fixes it.

But of course this is meaningless...the fact that some people have no
problems doesn't change the fact that some do.


Then you're experiences just don't count. KDE broke on my
system, when I recompiled Qt. Before the recompile, KDE was fine.
As I've wrote in lengths on the bug report. Seems you've not read
it - why not? Why am I writing reports and *also* post links
here?


I *did*.  And it was very good and useful report, even though it was a
duplicate of another report.

Look, I am not claiming there the gcc upgrade is seamless and easy.  I
am also *not* suggesting that the fact that it works on my system is
proof that there are no problems.  But it does mean that the upgrade
can *appear* to be seamless and easy, and only fail in specific cases
on specific systems.


Did you try to compile glib? No? Then I guess you've done no testing.


Um, I'm a ~arch user, so I am *always* testing.  But no, I didn't
recompile just glib to see if it would work in a mixed environment.
Nor did I re-compile each of the other 835 packages installed on my
system in turn with 4.1.1 to see if they would work in a mixed
environment.

But, did you happen to notice that the original poster of that glib
bug wasn't even using gcc 4.1?  How did you decide that it was a gcc
upgrade problem?  Indeed it looks more like a libtool issue to me...

Do you have some plan for testing new gcc releases in a mixed
compilation environment that will guarantee no compatibility problems?
Something that won't take a year to complete so that new gcc versions
can move out of p.mask?

IMO, it would be much simpler and better to tell people to always do
an emerge -e world when upgrading gcc...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
I don't know what 'upgrade guide' you have read, but:

   Now let's rebuild toolchain and then world so we will make use of the new 
compiler. 
Code Listing 2.2: Rebuilding system
  # emerge -eav system
# emerge -eav world


and glibc is part of the system.

Which part of the upgrade guide did you not follw?

And it said, that 4.1.1 was supposed to be binary compatible to 3.4.6.

it did not say so some weeks ago, and it does not say so today. Or whenever 
else I looked at that document.

 in such cases a rebuild of the affected packages 
(or even whole toolchain and system) might be required.

And thus, a rebuild of world/tc/system wouldn't be required.

wrong., read again. It says 'that a rebuild of system (which is a rebuild of 
the toolchain), might be required. And experience tells, that it IS required.

You behave like someone who never experienced a gcc-update. How long are you 
using gentoo? 4 weeks? 6 month?

Where was there a Qt update?

like the qt3.3.0 to 3.3.2 or 3.3.3 or 3.3.4 updates? or 3.2 to 3.3?

No, it doesn't.

yes it does. A lot of times. Sometimes even a qt -rX update forces a kdelibs 
recompile.


 Did you try to compile glib? No? Then I guess you've done no testing. 
 
if he does not have glib?

Then he installs it.

so, he should install something he does not need and 'test' it, to satisfy 
your needs? Why should he? If you want glib tested, do it yourself. Or are 
you too grand and important? Why should anybody test something FOR YOU?
Or are you complaining, that his tests does not cover YOUR needs?

NEWSFLASH: this is gentoo, everybody has a slightly different system.


And also pardon me, when I'm annoyed because of too bold statements
which turn out to be wrong. If it says no problems expected, then
tat's what I expect. I don't expect to run into deep problems. And
the GWN and upgrade doc clearly stated, that there were no problems
to be expected.


No, it did not.

It said:
 The number of applications that do not compile with gcc-4.1 is extremely 
small now, and most users should not experience any problems with ~arch 
packages not compiling. 

see? 'most users' and '~arch packages'

And not 'everything that Alexander Skwar, the superduper user everybody loves, 
and whose system is THE pinnacle of how a gentoo system should look like, has 
installed, will work flawlessly.'


You are just sulking around, and it  becomes less and less funny.

I deal with them just fine.

so why are you doing this 'Zwergenaufstand'?
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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Jason Weisberger

List,

I suppose that I just found it odd that it popped up after I switched
to GCC 4.1.1.  Maybe coincidence.  I'll delete all my digest files and
let them download again, because this is popping up on quite a few
packages.  Maybe a bad mirror.

I will be going on vacation for about a week, and when I get back I'll
try to do all this again, hell, maybe even from a fresh install.  I
hear the benefits are worth it.

I've read a few things about 4.1.1 not playing well with GTK packages
on the forums, however, and that still appears to be the case.  I'll
get exact error messages when I return and bring this thread up again.

Thanks to everyone who responded!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Saturday 27 May 2006 19:58, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Did you try to compile glib? No? Then I guess you've done no testing.

if he does not have glib?


To be fair, I did mention mozilla, so it is safe to assume that I have
gtk and glib installed.

BTW, I just remerged glib using gcc 4.1 *without* having to remerge
glibc.  What does this prove...nothing except that these simple
actions on any particular system may not be sufficient to duplicate
the problems that Alexander has seen on his system.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And also pardon me, when I'm annoyed because of too bold statements
which turn out to be wrong. If it says no problems expected, then
that's what I expect. I don't expect to run into deep problems. And
the GWN and upgrade doc clearly stated, that there were no problems
to be expected.


If you want to point out false and misleading statements, here is
something you said earlier in this thread:


Of course. You don't need to have gcc installed to be able to

run a *compiled* program.

This is false.  C++ programs are usually linked against libstdc++ that
is in the gcc directory.  So removing gcc will break these programs.
Go head, try it.  emerge -C gcc, and see how well your system works.
(DANGER: for anybody else reading this, do *NOT* do this.  You will
likely break python, and thus portage, and then you are really
screwed).

Maybe *you* should do a little QA and testing before *you* give
someone information that you believe to be true at the time.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?

2006-05-27 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
Saturday 27 May 2006 19:58 skrev Alexander Skwar:
  gcc update Nothing needs to be done Sure... How much did the
  person who wrote this check? Hello World! worked, and that's it?

What exactly do you intend to achieve by flaming the devs?

  Sometimes this complete lack of QA is really pissing me off :(
 
  Stop using ~arch packages, or stop whining.

 No, I won't do neither. The GWN and the upgrade doc used to say,
 that an upgrade is (basically) riskless.

Well, you chose to be on the cutting edge. You chose to upgrade as soon as it 
was unmasked. If you really think there is a complete lack of QA then why the 
hell didn't you wait a week to see if it was true?

 That's wrong - as it has been confirmed and corrected now. If that
 warning would have been there in the gcc-upgrade doc, everything
 would have been fine.

   ~arch works most of the
  time, but it is a _testing_ branch.  Do you expect the devs to login
  to each and every Gentoo user's system to test a new package and
  ensure complete functionality before adding it to ~arch?

 Bullshit.

That's not bullshit. Occasional breakage is the risk when living on the 
cutting edge. This is the purpose of the testing branch.

 I'd expect them to do testing and not give so bold statements
 as The upgrade should be incredibly easy and require no additional
 work to install and use.  without making VERY sure, that this
 is actually true.

 Granted - there's only so much that can be done. And also
 granted, that's ~arch. But that statement is just so irritating.

Well, the devs are unpaid volunteers and human beings. They do make mistakes 
sometimes but I'm quite convinced that their intensions are good. Get over 
it.

 And what's also irritating are so many small errors, like files
 with non-matching filesizes/checksums in the digests.

This has got nothing to do with the gcc upgrade. It has to do with the fact 
that ebuilds are occasionally updated with no change of revision.

  I just upgraded to gcc-4.1 and pruned 3.4.6, and KDE, koffice, OOo,
  and mozilla all still load and run fine.

 Did you yet re-compile Qt 3 and Qt 4? No?

I just did (only qt 3.3.6-r1 - I don't have qt 4). And guess what. KDE 
(kontact, kmail, knode, akregator, konqueror, ...) still works on my system.

So now I'm recompiling everything that has the kdehiddenvisibility use flag 
with that enabled..

But did you not see the einfo from postinst in qt-3*?

 INFO: postinst
 After a rebuild of Qt, it can happen that Qt plugins (such as Qt/KDE styles, 
 or widgets for the Qt designer) are no longer recognized. If this situation 
 occurs you should recompile the packages providing these plugins, and you
 should also make sure that Qt and its plugins were compiled with the same
 version of gcc.  Packages that may need to be rebuilt are, for instance,
 kde-base/kdelibs, kde-base/kdeartwork and kde-base/kdeartwork-styles.
 See http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/plugins-howto.html for more infos.

Note that it says rebuild and not upgrade.

[SNIP]

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, Jason Weisberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've read a few things about 4.1.1 not playing well with GTK packages
on the forums, however, and that still appears to be the case.  I'll
get exact error messages when I return and bring this thread up again.


Cool.  Hopefully any problems will have ready-made solutions by then.
Have a nice vacation...

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
Saturday 27 May 2006 23:22 skrev Jason Weisberger:
 I will be going on vacation for about a week, and when I get back I'll
 try to do all this again, hell, maybe even from a fresh install.  I
 hear the benefits are worth it.

What benefits?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Modules dependencies problem!

2006-05-27 Thread Jonathan Chocron
Without more info I can't be much help. But here's a pointer, just in case :
The modules init script launches modules-update, which can be launched at the 
command line. The error you have is consistent (and, looking at the code of 
the scrip can only be caused by) modules-update failing.

You should try to launch it yourself at the command-line. You should get some 
output that could be useful.

modules-update has a man page. You should look at that too.

The main cause for this behaviour would be :
- modules-update thinks your modules.conf is not auto generated and refuses to 
overwrite it.
- there is a mistake in one of the files in /etc/modules.d/ . I have seen this 
caused by etc-update, which can sometimes munch files.

Hope this helps,

-- Jonathan

Le Samedi 27 Mai 2006 17:19, El TuZa a écrit :
 Hi guys, I'm having a problem during initialization. It happens that
 50% of the time that I boot my desktop, when Calculating module
 dependencies says Failed to load modules dependencies (with the
 corresponding red exclamation marks) and when it gets to the loggin
 message it never loads kdm, and once I log via console I can't load
 kdm either.
 That's very annoying because the only way I can find now is to reboot
 and see if now it loads modules dependencies (usually the second time
 works fine).
 Did anybody have that kind of problem? What could I do?
 Thanks,
 Tuza


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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Jason Weisberger wrote:
 List,
 
 I figure upgrading to GCC 4.1.1 from 3.4.5 wouldn't be such a pain,
 right?  WRONG.  So far I've had just about every problem under the
 sun, mostly in the form of filesize errors which I wouldn't think
 would be related to GCC, but then again:
 
 app-admin/perl-cleaner
 x11-proto/xextproto
 x11-proto/xcmiscproto-1.1.2

I had this same issue with app-admin/perl-cleaner.  I think there is a
bad tarball on some of the mirrors.  I grabbed this one:

http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo/distfiles/perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz

and saved it to /usr/portage/distfiles and then ran this (one line):

ebuild /usr/portage/app-admin/perl-cleaner/perl-cleaner-1.03.ebuild digest

Now it merged in fine.

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT 0.0.0.0 security query

2006-05-27 Thread Jonathan Chocron
Le Samedi 27 Mai 2006 11:40, Dave S a écrit :
 Hi all,

 This is a bit OT but I have a netgear router DG834 ADSL firewall router. I
 have restricted my incoming services with ...

 Enable  Service Name  Action  LAN Server IP address  WAN Users  Log
 on bit torrent  ALLOW always  192.168.0.5  Any  Always
  Default  Yes  Any  BLOCK always  Any  Any  Never

 And tightened my outgoing services with ...

 Enable  Service Name  Action  LAN Users  WAN Servers  Log
 on  HTTP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
 on  HTTPS  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
 on  POP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
 on  SMTP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
 on  NTP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
 on  FTP  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
 on  rsync  ALLOW always  Any  0.0.0.0  Never
 on  GM Port 389   ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
 on  GM Port 1503  ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
 on  GM Port 1731  ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
 on  GM 1024-65K  ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
 on  H.323  ALLOW always  192.168.0.6  Any  Always
 on  Port 1023  ALLOW always  Any  Any  Always
 on  Samba  ALLOW always  Any  0.0.0.0  Always
 on  samba2  ALLOW always  Any  0.0.0.0  Always
 on  samba3  ALLOW always  Any  0.0.0.0  Always
 on  Any(ALL)  BLOCK always  Any  Any  Always
  Default  Yes  Any  ALLOW always  Any  Any

 Some services like rsync and samba I want to keep within my LAN but my
 DG834 insists I give it a least one IP address on the WAN that my service
 can be broadcast to. I selected 0.0.0.0

 Can anyone advise, am I going about this the right way, any comment greatly
 appreciated :)

 Cheers

 Dave

I am not the best net admin on earth, but it seems to me that 0.0.0.0  is  
definitely not a broadcast address. If you want to keep things in your lan, 
you should have something like 192.168.0.255 instead.

Moreover, I do not quite understand what you are trying to do. I had 
approximately the same router (same brand anyway), and it did not block any 
lan-only services. What you're telling it is, for example, to block 
*outgoing* rsync. This should not in any case be blocking an rsync between 
two machines inside your LAN.

I hope this helps, even if i am not quite sure I understand what you're trying 
to do.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problems configuring VMWare

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Martin Larsson wrote:
 On 5/24/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well yes, he needs a -rsomething,
 
 I've installed vmware-workstation-5.5.1.19175-r3.
 But it seemed I had some old versions of vmware-files
 in various locations. So I cleaned that up, and now I
 can configure.
 
 But when I attempt to actually *run* it, I get:
 
vmware is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured
for this system. To (re-)configure it, invoke the following command:
/opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware-config.pl.
 
 Running vmware-config.pl again just brings me back
 to that same error.
 
 M.

I get this too.  It appears to be a bug in the startup script.  If I run
/etc/init.d/vmware start and everything comes up.  If I run the startup
script again I get a some failed messages because vmware was already
started.

The startup script places an empty file in /etc/vmware named
not_configured if the startup script fails for any reason.  Being
already started doesn't seem like a good reason to me.

Anyway, all I had to do is remove /etc/vmware/not_configured and all is
golden.

Jim
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[gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Has anyone gotten this to compile with gcc 4.x?

I just upgraded to gcc 4.1 and I also just installed kdelibs 3.5 (I am a
gnome guy and want to give kde a look).

The requirement page on the klibido site state gcc 3.x.  Would I be able
to emerge gcc 3.x and compile klibido with that?  I compiled kdelibs 3.5
with gcc 4.1.

Since I have no kde stuff on my system, I thought I would get the latest
and greatest to try out kde.  However, I would hate to spend hours
compiling kde 3.5 with gcc 4.1 to have nothing but a headache.

If the above is not doable, does anyone know of a good binary news
reader for Linux?  I have tried the older, stable version of pan, though
that is dog slow and uses HUGE amounts of memory.  Today pan sucked up
over 800MB of my 2GB and caused Firefox and Thunderbird to terminate (I
was also using VMware at the time with 768MB WinXP guest).  I now just
tried the latest unstable pan with is much faster and uses much less
memory.  However, it is too unstable to be usable for me.

I would love to find a clean binary news reader like GrabIt
(http://www.shemes.com/).  GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now  :-(

Thanks for any help,

p.s. sorry if this post showed up already.  I posted it close to 2 hours
ago and don't see it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] SSH hosed, only rubble remains

2006-05-27 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On 5/27/6, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Okay, I set LogLevel=DEBUG3 and reloaded sshd, but I got no more output than usual: May 27 09:14:55 treat sshd[11739]: Received SIGHUP; restarting. May 27 09:14:55 treat sshd[2352]: Server listening on 
0.0.0.0 port 22. May 27 09:15:31 treat sshd[2356]: Connection from 64.166.164.53 port 32776 May 27 09:15:36 treat sshd[2356]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam
 for kevin from 64.166.164.53 port 32776 ssh2 May 27 09:15:36 treat sshd(pam_unix)[2361]: session opened for user kevin by (uid=0) And when it's ssh instead of scp, I get:
 May 27 09:20:53 treat sshd[2392]: Connection from 64.166.164.53 port 32777 May 27 09:20:57 treat sshd[2392]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for kevin from 
64.166.164.53 port 32777 ssh2 May 27 09:20:57 treat sshd(pam_unix)[2402]: session opened for user kevin by (uid=0) May 27 09:21:01 treat sshd[2402]: Connection closed by 
64.166.164.53 May 27 09:21:01 treat sshd(pam_unix)[2402]: session closed for user kevin May 27 09:21:01 treat sshd[2402]: Closing connection to 
64.166.164.53 Which covers a simple login-logout sequence. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhDwell, it really looks from both ends like it's working.what is theshell for the given user?in /etc/passwd, if you're using local
authentication.
That was the hint I needed. It's /bin/bash, which reminded me I just changed something
in .bashrc which outputs a message and does some other stuff which must be
confusing scp. In fact, I just confirmed that by commenting it out. Now scp works too.
So: PROBLEM SOLVED.

Now I just have to figure out how to tailor it some more so the offending code is skipped
for 'scp'. That I can do.

Thanks for the help.

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Re: [gentoo-user] SSH hosed, only rubble remains

2006-05-27 Thread John Jolet


That was the hint I needed.  It's /bin/bash, which reminded me I  
just changed something
in .bashrc which outputs a message and does some other stuff which  
must be
confusing scp.  In fact, I just confirmed that by commenting it  
out.  Now scp works too.

So: PROBLEM SOLVED.

Now I just have to figure out how to tailor it some more so the  
offending code is skipped

for 'scp'.  That I can do.



bash has a built-in variable that tells you what the command  
wasshould be able to test for scp in your script  i've  
never tried to get that fancy with .bashrc.

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone gotten this to compile with gcc 4.x?


Doesn't look promising.  I just tried it, and I get this bug:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133535


I just upgraded to gcc 4.1 and I also just installed kdelibs 3.5 (I am a
gnome guy and want to give kde a look).


now, release your anger..strike down your old DE and your journey to
the dark side will be complete!


The requirement page on the klibido site state gcc 3.x.  Would I be able
to emerge gcc 3.x and compile klibido with that?  I compiled kdelibs 3.5
with gcc 4.1.


Theoretically...maybe.  There is a bit of an open debate right now on
how binary compatible 3.4.x and 4.x are.

You can certainly merge 3.4.6-r1, and use gcc-config to select that as
your compiler for building klibido.  And I am reasonably sure it will
_compile_.

But it is maybe a bit dangerous, as you have kdelibs built with 4.1,
so linked against that version of libstdc++.so.  When you build
klibido with 3.4.x, it will get linked with that version of
libstdc++.so.  Since the .so version is the same, the system should
load one and only one copy of libstdc++.so (whichever one shows up
first in ldconfig).  And it should work...*in theory*.  However there
have been some issues posted with running such mixed-environment
programs, so it seems not so simple.

I would suggest to either use 3.4.x and rebuild all C++ programs with
that (using revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.6), or wait for the
above bug to get fixed.  Rebuilding all C++ programs could include
openoffice.org, mozilla, and other long-compiling packages...


I would love to find a clean binary news reader like GrabIt
(http://www.shemes.com/).  GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now  :-(


I haven't tried it, but maybe it will work with wine?  If you decide
to try wine, make sure you merge the latest 0.9.x version, not a
-2005 version.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Sat, 2006-05-27 at 15:47 +0200, Gian Domeni Calgeer wrote:
 Am Samstag 27 Mai 2006 13.54 schrieb Iain Buchanan:

  anyway, does it upload anything to google?  I don't like the thought of
  a gmail-for-pictures sort of app on my PC.
 
 On http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html they write: Picasa won't 
 delete your pictures or put them online without your permission. Of course 
 this doesn't mean anything, it might upload pictures without putting them 
 online, but I don't think so. 

or scan the exif info to see what camera you have, and then offer you
low-priced accessories; or find out what dates and times you most often
take photos, and upload that to some google data collection server... 

I'm not saying it _does_ these things, but where does it say it
_doesn't_?
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Re: [gentoo-user] SSH hosed, only rubble remains

2006-05-27 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On 5/27/06, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That was the hint I needed.It's /bin/bash, which reminded me I just changed something in .bashrc which outputs a message and does some other stuff which must be confusing scp.In fact, I just confirmed that by commenting it
 out.Now scp works too. So: PROBLEM SOLVED. Now I just have to figure out how to tailor it some more so the offending code is skipped for 'scp'.That I can do.
bash has a built-in variable that tells you what the commandwasshould be able to test for scp in your scripti'venever tried to get that fancy with .bashrc.--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listThat does not work for ssh/scp sessions. I usually test $PS1 to tell
if it's really a shell -- the variable does not even exist for an scp session,
although .bashrc gets called.

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Richard Fish wrote:

 I would suggest to either use 3.4.x and rebuild all C++ programs with
 that (using revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.6), or wait for the
 above bug to get fixed.  Rebuilding all C++ programs could include
 openoffice.org, mozilla, and other long-compiling packages...

Part of me wanting to try kde again was because of the nice speed
increase with startup times and gcc 4.1.  However, I don't know if this
is try from experience.  Is kde 3.5 noticeably faster when compiled with
gcc 4.1?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Iain Buchanan wrote:

 I'm not saying it _does_ these things, but where does it say it
 _doesn't_?

Hey, Google has a corporate slogan of do no evil.  We can trust big
corps right? :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Richard Fish wrote:

 I would suggest to either use 3.4.x and rebuild all C++ programs with
 that (using revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.6), or wait for the
 above bug to get fixed.  Rebuilding all C++ programs could include
 openoffice.org, mozilla, and other long-compiling packages...

By the way, do you know if Gentoo considers an ebuild with an -rX on the
end to be newer?  For example which would emerge choose:

sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6
or
sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r1

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Re: [gentoo-user] SSH hosed, only rubble remains

2006-05-27 Thread John Jolet

That does not work for ssh/scp sessions.  I usually test $PS1 to tell
if it's really a shell -- the variable does not even exist for an  
scp session,

although .bashrc gets called.

can you give us an example of what your .bashrc looks like?
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[gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Has anyone gotten this to compile with gcc 4.x?

I just upgraded to gcc 4.1 and I also just installed kdelibs 3.5 (I am a
gnome guy and want to give kde a look).

The requirement page on the klibido site state gcc 3.x.  Would I be able
to emerge gcc 3.x and compile klibido with that?  I compiled kdelibs 3.5
with gcc 4.1.

Since I have no kde stuff on my system, I thought I would get the latest
and greatest to try out kde.  However, I would hate to spend hours
compiling kde 3.5 with gcc 4.1 to have nothing but a headache.

If the above is not doable, does anyone know of a good binary news
reader for Linux?  I have tried the older, stable version of pan, though
that is dog slow and uses HUGE amounts of memory.  Today pan sucked up
over 800MB of my 2GB and caused Firefox and Thunderbird to terminate (I
was also using VMware at the time with 768MB WinXP guest).  I now just
tried the latest unstable pan with is much faster and uses much less
memory.  However, it is too unstable to be usable for me.

I would love to find a clean binary news reader like GrabIt
(http://www.shemes.com/).  GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now :-(

Thanks for any help,

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread Ryan Tandy

JimD wrote:

By the way, do you know if Gentoo considers an ebuild with an -rX on the
end to be newer?  For example which would emerge choose:

sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6
or
sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r1


s/Gentoo/portage ;)

Yes, it does.  Revision bumps are generally to correct a bug or typo in 
an ebuild, or apply additional patches, while the upstream version 
remains unchanged.


If you're unmasking (in package.keywords or package.unmask) a specific 
version of a package, such as =sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6 to use your example, 
you could instruct portage to unmask ebuild revisions of that same 
version using the ~ prefix: ~sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6 would match gcc-3.4.6 
and gcc-3.4.6-r*.  Handy for getting ebuild fixes on a package waiting 
to become stable.


Yay, random portage trivia!
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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread Ryan Tandy

JimD wrote:

If the above is not doable, does anyone know of a good binary news
reader for Linux?


What's wrong with Thunderbird?


GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now :-(


Wine ;)
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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Ryan Tandy wrote:
 JimD wrote:
 If the above is not doable, does anyone know of a good binary news
 reader for Linux?
 
 What's wrong with Thunderbird?

For binary news groups?  I could give it a shot.  However, Thunderbird
sucks up tons of memory for text-only news groups with a few hundred
posts.  I hat to see how much memory it uses for a news group with
100,000+ posts!

 GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
 is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now :-(
 
 Wine ;)

It does start up fine in Wine.  I will give it a go and see if it will
download and all that jazz.

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
Ryan Tandy wrote:
 JimD wrote:
 By the way, do you know if Gentoo considers an ebuild with an -rX on the
 end to be newer?  For example which would emerge choose:

 sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6
 or
 sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r1
 
 s/Gentoo/portage ;)

Ahh, yes, I had a brain freeze.

 Yay, random portage trivia!

Mmmm, portage trivia :-)

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2006-05-27 Thread David Relson
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[gentoo-user] Upgrade problem with perl-cleaner

2006-05-27 Thread Colleen Beamer
Hi,

I really have very little problem with my Gentoo system, but today on an
upgrade I received the following message related to perl-cleaner:

!!! Digest verification Failed:
!!! /usr/portage/distfiles/perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz
!!! Readon: Filesize does not match recorded size

I'm sorry to bother you with this.  I tried searching the forums, but
when I entered a search term, I got either no pages or thousands of
pages.  I looked on  the bug list and the closest thing was a message
related to a check-sum.  I tried looking at the documentation, but
didn't find anything that told me what to do to correct this.  I even
did a no-no and resync'd.

Any help here would be appreciated.  I would file a bug, but I'm not
sure exactly if this is a bug or something that is correctable and I
just don't know how to do it.

Regards,

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] subscribe

2006-05-27 Thread JimD
David Relson wrote:
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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade problem with perl-cleaner

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, Colleen Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

!!! Digest verification Failed:
!!! /usr/portage/distfiles/perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz
!!! Readon: Filesize does not match recorded size


You should check the mail-list archives here...it has come up a couple
of times in the last day or so.

First, try to simply remove the offending distfile and allow it to be
downloaded again.  As long as your portage tree is in sync with your
download mirror, you should end up with a file that is 4611 bytes in
size.

In the worst case, you can do:
ebuild /usr/portage/app-admin/perl-cleaner/perl-cleaner-1.03.ebuild digest

The above will work around the problem, but the next time you sync
(and then merge perl-cleaner) it may come up again.

BTW, this happened because the package was updated without a new
version, so the Manifest was also updated.  You got the new manifest
when you synced, but you still had the 'old' distfile.

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Part of me wanting to try kde again was because of the nice speed
increase with startup times and gcc 4.1.  However, I don't know if this
is try from experience.  Is kde 3.5 noticeably faster when compiled with
gcc 4.1?


I'll let you know in a week or so once my emerge -e world finishes... :-)

Actually the last time I did this, it took about 16 hours to rebuild
everythingof course that was with openoffice-bin which I don't use
anymore.  Building OOo from source should add about 7 hours.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade problem with perl-cleaner

2006-05-27 Thread Ryan Tandy

Colleen Beamer wrote:

Hi,

I really have very little problem with my Gentoo system, but today on an
upgrade I received the following message related to perl-cleaner:

!!! Digest verification Failed:
!!! /usr/portage/distfiles/perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz
!!! Readon: Filesize does not match recorded size


This issue popped up in someone's upgrade to GCC 4.1 thread. 
Apparently some of the mirrors have the wrong version of the archive - 
try downloading it directly from upstream, or from a different distfiles 
mirror.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eth0 does not exist

2006-05-27 Thread Richard Fish

On 5/27/06, Kenneth Hopping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The problem appears to be that /sys/class/net/eth0 does not exist.
This is a pseudo-filesystem like proc that I cannot manipulate.

Is there some configuration file that needs initialization or a package
that I need to install?


No, you just need to load the driver for your NIC.

What do lspci and lsmod report?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade problem with perl-cleaner

2006-05-27 Thread Rumen Yotov
Colleen Beamer wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I really have very little problem with my Gentoo system, but today on an
 upgrade I received the following message related to perl-cleaner:
 
 !!! Digest verification Failed:
 !!! /usr/portage/distfiles/perl-cleaner-1.03.tar.gz
 !!! Readon: Filesize does not match recorded size
 
 I'm sorry to bother you with this.  I tried searching the forums, but
 when I entered a search term, I got either no pages or thousands of
 pages.  I looked on  the bug list and the closest thing was a message
 related to a check-sum.  I tried looking at the documentation, but
 didn't find anything that told me what to do to correct this.  I even
 did a no-no and resync'd.
 
 Any help here would be appreciated.  I would file a bug, but I'm not
 sure exactly if this is a bug or something that is correctable and I
 just don't know how to do it.
 
 Regards,
 
 Colleen
 
Hi,
There was such a thread on this ML.
IIRC just remove/erase the source file from distfiles dir and fetch it
again. Then emerge ...
HTH.Rumen


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