Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is ddrescue this slow?
Would love to comment on this. Is it possible you could resend this post in plain text format? Stroller. On 10 Jan 2010, at 02:08, Valmor de Almeida wrote: On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 9 Jan 2010, at 09:23, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:20:18 +, Valmor de Almeida wrote: Sometimes the current rate reads 0 B/s for a long time... and time from last successful read can be 8m. Would any one know whether this is normal? Doesn't ddrescue retry on blocks it cannot read? That would explain the variable read rate, even the period of zero activity. If your drive is that badly damaged, dd would have been no use anyway. I think Valmor is using GNU ddrescue, with which one makes the multiple passes manually. The -n flag on the command line that Valmor posted (`ddrescue -n /dev/sda /dev/sdc rescued.log`) relates to the examples given in the GNU manual page [1]. I believe that GNU ddrescue is the better version - it was inspired by garloff's original work, and makes improvements, but it operates differently. Indeed I am using GNU ddrescue and the -n flag is supposed to expedite the recovery of data as posted in http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Damaged_Hard_Disk The best solution - both faster and more efficient - seems to be Antonio Diaz's 'ddrescue' (ddrescue) # first, grab most of the error-free areas in a hurry: ./ddrescue -n /dev/old_disk /dev/new_disk rescued.log # then try to recover as much of the dicy areas as possible: ./ddrescue -r 1 /dev/old_disk /dev/new_disk rescued.log expectation, not a reasoned one. I think the best thing he can do is hold his breath, wait until its finished and see how if the results are readable, after running `fsck` on the mounted filesystem. The first step above finished; don't know how long it took but it was a long time (maybe 20 hours or more?) and the screen output was Press Ctrl-C to interrupt Initial status (read from logfile) rescued: 0 B, errsize: 0 B, errors: 0 Current status rescued:58811 MB, errsize: 48909 kB, current rate: 83 B/s ipos:58860 MB, errors: 95,average rate:1365 kB/s opos:58860 MB, time from last successful read: 0 s Copying non-tried blocks... ddrescue: write error: Input/output error
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is ddrescue this slow?
This help? Should be plain text. Dale :-) :-) Stroller wrote: Would love to comment on this. Is it possible you could resend this post in plain text format? Stroller. On 10 Jan 2010, at 02:08, Valmor de Almeida wrote: Indeed I am using GNU ddrescue and the -n flag is supposed to expedite the recovery of data as posted in http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Damaged_Hard_Disk The best solution - both faster and more efficient - seems to be Antonio Diaz's 'ddrescue' (ddrescue http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/ddrescue/) # first, grab most of the error-free areas in a hurry: ./ddrescue -n /dev/old_disk /dev/new_disk rescued.log # then try to recover as much of the dicy areas as possible: ./ddrescue -r 1 /dev/old_disk /dev/new_disk rescued.log expectation, not a reasoned one. I think the best thing he can do is hold his breath, wait until its finished and see how if the results are readable, after running `fsck` on the mounted filesystem. The first step above finished; don't know how long it took but it was a long time (maybe 20 hours or more?) and the screen output was Press Ctrl-C to interrupt Initial status (read from logfile) rescued: 0 B, errsize: 0 B, errors: 0 Current status rescued:58811 MB, errsize: 48909 kB, current rate: 83 B/s ipos:58860 MB, errors: 95,average rate:1365 kB/s opos:58860 MB, time from last successful read: 0 s Copying non-tried blocks... ddrescue: write error: Input/output error
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:58:31 -0600, Dale wrote: Can you accept the fact that KDE dropped support for KDE 3? Of course, they have stated so themselves. KDE dropped the ball. This is the statement I disagreed with. Dropping support is a fact, based on a sound decision. This statement is you saying they were wrong, purely because their decision does not suit you. KDE 4 is workable, it's not as mature as 3.5 and I only switched a few months ago, but it is getting there and better in many respects. Diverting resources to work on an obsolete product would only slow the development of KDE 4. KDE 3 still works so what's the problem? It's not like they switched off KDE 3, they just stopped adding new features, which makes perfect sense to me. There are people in a position to fix and security issues that may arise, but that doesn't have to be KDE themselves, and wasn't always them in a past. -- Neil Bothwick Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: firefox 3.5.6 doesn't see my CUPS printers
On 9 Jan, walt wrote: On 01/09/2010 07:42 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 8 Jan, walt wrote: On 01/08/2010 04:18 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, Firefox (www-client/firefox-bin-3.5.6) doesn't see my CUPS printers anymore. It just shows Any Printer and lateron Print to LPR My cups printers are specified in /etc/cups/printers.conf. Does that file have appropriate printer info in it? Yes, it contains several printers. And these can be used by other software without problems. Ah, that's an important piece of information you left out before. Firefox is looking at localhost:631 I assume? What happens if you use different browser, like epiphany, or konqeror, or even lynx? epiphany and konqeror both see all printers like previous versions of Firefox. Helmut.
[gentoo-user] coreutils compilation fail.
Hi all:
I am trying emerge -e world, when the portage emerge coreutils, I got this
massage:
Failed to emerge sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1, Log file:
'/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/temp/build.log'
* Messages for package sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1:
* Failed Patch: 001_all_coreutils-gen-progress-bar.patch !
* (
*
/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/work/patch/001_all_coreutils-gen-progress-bar.patch
* )
*
* Include in your bugreport the contents of:
*
*
/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/temp/001_all_coreutils-gen-progress-bar.patch.out
*
* ERROR: sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1 failed.
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_unpack
* environment, line 2657: Called epatch
* environment, line 1248: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* die Failed Patch: ${patchname}!;
* The die message:
* Failed Patch:
* 001_all_coreutils-gen-progress-bar.patch!
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error,
* and the call stack if relevant.
* A complete build log is located at
* '/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located at
* '/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/temp/environment'.
system information:
uname -a
Linux PC-686 2.6.31-gentoo-r6 #16 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 6 23:55:37 CST
2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ AuthenticAMD
GNU/Linux
fender01074701
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Rebuilding an NTFS directory structure
The MP3 files probably have ID3 tags containing artist, album and title information, so it should be possible to use a script to rename them (Goggle will most likely turn up a few options). Looks like audiotag can do that, here's a snip of the help; --rename-filesrename files based on meta-data --rename-pattern pattern to use when renaming files. when no rename pattern is specified, the rename pattern defaults to: %T. %a - %t string replacement directives: %T: track number %a: artist name %t: song title %A: album name You can specify subdirectories in the rename pattern. %a - %A/%T. %t will rename and move the files. %a -%A/ moves the files to new subdirectories without renaming.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:58:31 -0600, Dale wrote: Can you accept the fact that KDE dropped support for KDE 3? Of course, they have stated so themselves. KDE dropped the ball. This is the statement I disagreed with. Dropping support is a fact, based on a sound decision. This statement is you saying they were wrong, purely because their decision does not suit you. KDE 4 is workable, it's not as mature as 3.5 and I only switched a few months ago, but it is getting there and better in many respects. Diverting resources to work on an obsolete product would only slow the development of KDE 4. KDE 3 still works so what's the problem? It's not like they switched off KDE 3, they just stopped adding new features, which makes perfect sense to me. There are people in a position to fix and security issues that may arise, but that doesn't have to be KDE themselves, and wasn't always them in a past. You say they dropped support. I call it dropping the ball. Same thing. As bad as I hate M$, one thing I can say, they have never to my knowledge dropped support for a OS unless and until the replacement is fully functional and stable, as finctional and stable as windoze can get anyway. At least they don't leave people with a unsupported OS while they spend a year or two getting the new one ironed out. I don't think KDE will take that long but winders does. Most reasonable people agree that KDE should have supported KDE 3 for at least a few more months. You say KDE 4 is workable. For me, it isn't. If I log into KDE 4, I have to switch back to KDE 3 to do some of my normal day to day things. Some of the things I do can't be done in KDE 4 yet. They will be when they get the time to fix it but right now it doesn't work, for me or others on the KDE mailing list. The problems I ran into have already been discussed on the KDE mailing list and they say I just have to wait until it gets fixed, updated or just plain coded in. So, KDE 3 is still not being supported even after all this. Nothing has changed. Who would have thunk it? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] coreutils compilation fail.
On 1/10/10, Li fender0107...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all:
I am trying emerge -e world, when the portage emerge coreutils, I got this
massage:
Failed to emerge sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1, Log file:
'/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/temp/build.log'
* Messages for package sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1:
* Failed Patch: 001_all_coreutils-gen-progress-bar.patch !
* (
*
/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/work/patch/001_all_coreutils-gen-progress-bar.patch
* )
*
* Include in your bugreport the contents of:
*
*
/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/temp/001_all_coreutils-gen-progress-bar.patch.out
*
* ERROR: sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1 failed.
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_unpack
* environment, line 2657: Called epatch
* environment, line 1248: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* die Failed Patch: ${patchname}!;
* The die message:
* Failed Patch:
* 001_all_coreutils-gen-progress-bar.patch!
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error,
* and the call stack if relevant.
* A complete build log is located at
* '/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located at
* '/var/tmp/portage/sys-apps/coreutils-7.5-r1/temp/environment'.
system information:
uname -a
Linux PC-686 2.6.31-gentoo-r6 #16 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 6 23:55:37 CST
2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ AuthenticAMD
GNU/Linux
Re-sync portage tree and try again.
eutils.eclass (where epatch is defined) has been changed several times
in the last 24 hours. The last change seems to fix something which
might be the direct cause of your problem (an EPATCH_EXCLUDES handling
bugfix, as according to the ebuild that 001_all_* patch is supposed to
be excluded?).
--
Arttu V.
Re: [gentoo-user] New application: app-portage/kportagetray
I think I discovered the problem: the system tray protocol changes a lot with KDE 4.4 and I couldn't find any documentation about it yet. So, after the release of docs, I'll modify my code to be compatible. Regards, -- Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas Control and Automation Engineer Gentoo Foundation Member Em Sábado 09 Janeiro 2010, às 17:39:18, Neil Bothwick escreveu: On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:13:06 -0200, Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas wrote: But, I'm thinking that the problem is with KNotify, because I use org.kde.VisualNotifications DBUS service to display notifications at KDE system tray. This service wasn't found on your system. I'm not sure, but I think that kde-base/knotify is the package that provides it (or maybe dev-python/notify- python). Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I have all those % eix -Ic notify [I] dev-python/notify-python (0.1.1...@04/12/09) [U] kde-base/knotify (4.3.85(4.4) [I] x11-libs/libnotify (0@04/12/09) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
Dale wrote: You say they dropped support. I call it dropping the ball. Same thing. Sorry for butting in... As I understand it, KDE development is mostly driven by volunteers (like most OSS projects). Yes, some are probably paid/employed by interested parties but this doesn't really change the fact that there are limited resources that might be better to concentrate on the latest (and greatest). Not trying to be flame-baiting but, as with all OSS projects, if you don't like something, you can sharpen your hacking skills and contribute/fork/whatever to get what you want. Besides, comparing KDE with Microsoft is a bit unfair, don't you think? MS products is payed and supported through the sale of their software. KDE is free, unless you pay for support... Perhaps it's time to look around for something that suits you better? For me I like simplicity/minimalism and I've settled for xfce4. For the record I used to run K3b with a minimal kde-support environment (kdelibs, qt etc.), still under xfce4 of course, but I stopped using/removed it when KDE4 was enforced. Not that I have anything against qt4/KDE4 but it mandated installation of accessibility libs/utilities + the kitchen sink (why that would be required is beyond me; I thought accessibility was the exception and not the norm)... Again, just my opinion, not meaning to upset you, Dale, or anyone else... Best regards Peter K
[gentoo-user] Re: firefox 3.5.6 doesn't see my CUPS printers
On 01/10/2010 03:35 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 9 Jan, walt wrote: On 01/09/2010 07:42 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 8 Jan, walt wrote: On 01/08/2010 04:18 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, Firefox (www-client/firefox-bin-3.5.6) doesn't see my CUPS printers anymore. It just shows Any Printer and lateron Print to LPR My cups printers are specified in /etc/cups/printers.conf. Does that file have appropriate printer info in it? Yes, it contains several printers. And these can be used by other software without problems. Ah, that's an important piece of information you left out before. Firefox is looking at localhost:631 I assume? What happens if you use different browser, like epiphany, or konqeror, or even lynx? epiphany and konqeror both see all printers like previous versions of Firefox. Certainly sounds like there is something broken in firefox. BTW, 3.5.6 is already obsolete, 3.5.7 was just released. Maybe an update would fix the problem. If using the 'bin' version of 3.5.7 still doesn't work, I would suggest using the non-bin version instead.
[gentoo-user] Scheduled wakeup from suspend to ram
Hi Group one of the very last things I still need Win***s for is to wake me up in the morning: I set up a task schedule to launch a playlist with Winamp. Do you know of any way to let my laptop go on again automatically after I put it to sleep in its RAM? In case it helps: I'm running 32 bit i686, version 2.6.30. TIA -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is ddrescue this slow?
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.ukwrote: Would love to comment on this. Is it possible you could resend this post in plain text format? Stroller. Below is my last post copied and pasted into gmail without the html hot links. I am doing this from within systemrescuecd using firefox and gmail. Don't know how to make it plain ascii otherwise. Hopefully just eliminating the html links will work. Stroller, is this what you are referring to? Thanks, -- Valmor On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Stroller wrote: [snip] in the GNU manual page [1]. I believe that GNU ddrescue is the better version - it was inspired by garloff's original work, and makes improvements, but it operates differently. Comment. Another reason I moved away from dd (apart from the slow running time) to ddrescue was because of this note related to LVM. hhttp://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/saw27/notes/backup-hard-disk-partitions.html http://www.interference.phy.cam.ac.uk/saw27/notes/backup-hard-disk-partitions.html Steve Holmes reports that dd with conv=sync,noerror doesn't correctly image disks with LVM2 Logical Volumes. I haven't investigated this. He also points out GNU ddrescue ( not the same as dd_rescue mentioned above) which looks useful. According to Steve, ddrescue works finewith LVM2, and some people seem to suggest it's generally superior to dd_rescue. The partition I would like to get data from is under LVM (previous post). Thanks, -- Valmor
Re: [gentoo-user] Scheduled wakeup from suspend to ram
On Sunday 10 January 2010 19:11:52 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Hi Group one of the very last things I still need Win***s for is to wake me up in the morning: I set up a task schedule to launch a playlist with Winamp. Do you know of any way to let my laptop go on again automatically after I put it to sleep in its RAM? In case it helps: I'm running 32 bit i686, version 2.6.30. TIA Sounds like a classic case of being WAAAY too complicated. Have you considered buying a cheap alarm clock? Or setting your phone to play a tune for an alarm? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:20:34 -0600, Dale wrote: You say they dropped support. I call it dropping the ball. Same thing. No it's not. One is a bald statement of fact, the other contains a judgement by using negative terminology. As bad as I hate M$, one thing I can say, they have never to my knowledge dropped support for a OS unless and until the replacement is fully functional and stable, as finctional and stable as windoze can get anyway. At least they don't leave people with a unsupported OS while they spend a year or two getting the new one ironed out. I don't think KDE will take that long but winders does. You're comparing apples and oranges. With a paid OS, you are mainly paying for support and security updates, which you still get with a paid Linux distro. Most reasonable people agree that KDE should have supported KDE 3 for at least a few more months. Do you have a citation for that? Preferably one that doesn't define reasonable people as those that think KDE 3.5 should still be developed :) So, KDE 3 is still not being supported even after all this. Nothing has changed. Who would have thunk it? Well, very little has changed. Most importantly, KDE 3.5 still works as well as it ever did. It was never gong to be developed any more anyway. As far as Gentoo dropping it from portage is concerned, the fix for that is editing one line of make.conf, which is hardly an onerous task. The KDE 3.5 ebuilds are still maintained, they've just moved to a different repository. This really is a non-issue. -- Neil Bothwick A great many people mistake opinions for thoughts. -- Herbert V. Prochnow signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New application: app-portage/kportagetray
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:54:57 -0200, Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas wrote: I think I discovered the problem: the system tray protocol changes a lot with KDE 4.4 and I couldn't find any documentation about it yet. So, after the release of docs, I'll modify my code to be compatible. And Sod's Law says I try kportagetray just after switching to 4.4 :( -- Neil Bothwick ISDN: It Still Does Nothing signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] MagicJack on Gentoo? (preferably PPC)
Does anyone have any direct experience running MagicJack (or another similar product that's available in the U.S. on a Gentoo machine, preferably a Power PC based machine as that's the only 24/7 machine I have here right now. I didn't find anything about MagicJack in the forums. The MagicJack site says they will add Linux support 1st quarter 2010 but they haven't released anything yet. Is there anything in portage that supports this? I could use windows to register the device and then run it from elsewhere on the network. Looking around on the web it seems most folks have set up VMWare or some other VM as a way to just run Windows. My only 24/7 machine right now is actually PPC-based so that's not going to work for me. Even better might be some sort of Ethernet to USB adapter that would allow me to plug it directly into an unused port on my router and skip all the PCs completely but I talked to MagicJack said the device requires drivers on both Mac and Windows. I haven't studied Skype's offerings yet as I was looking for something turn-key and I'm not sure that's true with them, but I'll go find out. Thanks, Mark
[gentoo-user] Fluxbox not starting after login with SLIM
Hi, I updated my system and beside others, Xorg got updated. Now, when I log in with SLIM, fluxbox does not start anymore. I just get into an ugly x-session. In my ~/.xinitrc I have exec startfluxbox which always got me into fluxbox after log in with SLIM. This is according to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/fluxbox-config.xml Killing X and then startx as user (non-root) I get into fluxbox... Thanks in advance for your tips! -- Regards, Marco
Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox not starting after login with SLIM
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:42:15 +0100, Marco listwo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I updated my system and beside others, Xorg got updated. Now, when I log in with SLIM, fluxbox does not start anymore. I just get into an ugly x-session. In my ~/.xinitrc I have exec startfluxbox which always got me into fluxbox after log in with SLIM. This is according to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/fluxbox-config.xml Killing X and then startx as user (non-root) I get into fluxbox... Thanks in advance for your tips! -- Regards, Marco Hey, Try checking for a .xinitrc (if you're using that) in your user home dir. I had the same issue and i had only corrected the .xinitrc for root :-) -- Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox not starting after login with SLIM
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Marco listwo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I updated my system and beside others, Xorg got updated. Now, when I log in with SLIM, fluxbox does not start anymore. I just get into an ugly x-session. In my ~/.xinitrc I have exec startfluxbox which always got me into fluxbox after log in with SLIM. This is according to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/fluxbox-config.xml Killing X and then startx as user (non-root) I get into fluxbox... Thanks in advance for your tips! -- Regards, Marco Hi, remove the line exec startfluxbox in your .xinitrc and append startfluxbox to sessions in /etc/slim.conf like this: # Available sessions (first one is the default). # The current chosen session name is replaced in the login_cmd # above, so your login command can handle different sessions. # see the xinitrc.sample file shipped with slim sources sessions startfluxbox,compiz-session,startlxde,openbox And try to login again. Maybe it helps. -- Nguyễn Bảo Ngọc http://www.facebook.com/pymaster
Re: [gentoo-user] Scheduled wakeup from suspend to ram
Am Sonntag, 10. Januar 2010 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Sunday 10 January 2010 19:11:52 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Hi Group one of the very last things I still need Win***s for is to wake me up in the morning: I set up a task schedule to launch a playlist with Winamp. Do you know of any way to let my laptop go on again automatically after I put it to sleep in its RAM? In case it helps: I'm running 32 bit i686, version 2.6.30. TIA Sounds like a classic case of being WAAAY too complicated. Have you considered buying a cheap alarm clock? Or setting your phone to play a tune for an alarm? The phone serves as alarm clock by blaring out lout sounds that need to be pressed away. :o) -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Concious smokers drink decaf. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] OT: amavis and DKIM verification
I say OT because it's my understanding of DKIM that lets me down here, not Gentoo. I'm just not sure who to ask or even if it could be something Gentoo related. I've recently updated my postfix home mail server to use amavis-new for virus and spam filtering rather than procmail/spamassassin. It seems to be working well and I've also enabled some other goodies like DKIM signing and verification. I haven't confirmed signing is working yet, so maybe a side effect of this email is that someone can confirm this for me ;) The main query I have is that a lot of the mail I get, in this case from various mailing lists, appears to failed DKIM verification. For example, several of the posters on this list are DKIM signing their mail either as part of gmail policy (or another big provider) or personal intent. Something in the region of 50% of signed mail on this list contains headers such as: Authentication-Results: genesis.genestate.com (amavisd-new); dkim=softfail (fail, message has been altered) header...@gmail.com Authentication-Results: genesis.genestate.com (amavisd-new); domainkeys=softfail (fail, message has been altered) header.from=xxx...@gmail.com Whereas the rest looks like this: Authentication-Results: genesis.genestate.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass header...@gmail.com Authentication-Results: genesis.genestate.com (amavisd-new); domainkeys=pass header.from=xxx...@gmail.com Now I find it unreasonable to assume that 50% of the mail I receive is being actively tampered with, so it must be something getting twisted out of shape. All I'm trying to discover is whether it's something at my end that I need to fiddle with. I followed a few different guides to piece my setup together so it's quite possible I've overlooked or misconfigured something. If anyone knows about DKIM and might be able to shed a light on this, I'd love to hear. It's not a big problem, just a puzzle I'm interested in. Thanks Matt Harrison pgp46Pqij6XrY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is ddrescue this slow?
On 10 Jan 2010, at 18:09, Valmor de Almeida wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: Would love to comment on this. Is it possible you could resend this post in plain text format? Stroller. Below is my last post copied and pasted into gmail without the html hot links. I am doing this from within systemrescuecd using firefox and gmail. Don't know how to make it plain ascii otherwise. Hopefully just eliminating the html links will work. Stroller, is this what you are referring to? Both messages contain html text formatting. If you look at your last message (the one to which I'm replying now, Message-ID: 128ccc221001101009v75f23dcey7d52967b16f7d...@mail.gmail.com ) in a text editor, for instance: divdiv/div div class=3Dh5divbr/div/div/div/div/ blockquotedivbrBe= low is my last post copied and pasted into gmail without the html hot links= . I am doing this from within systemrescuecd using firefox and gmail. Don#= 39;t know how to make it plain ascii otherwise. Hopefully just eliminating = the html links will work. Stroller, is this what you are referring to? br brThanks,brbr--brValmorbr=A0br/divblockquote class=3Dgmail_= quote style=3Dborder-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt = 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;div style=3Dword-wrap: break- word;div= div class=3Dh5 div/divbrdiv class=3DimOn Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Stroller= =A0span dir=3Dltr/span wrote:br/divdiv class=3Dgmail_quotedi= vbr[snip]br=A0br/divdiv class=3Dimblockquote class=3Dgmail_q= uote style=3Dborder-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0= pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; The problem I have with this is that it seems difficult in my mail client to snip excessive quoting when I reply. If I switch to plain text, all the quoting marks / indenting disappears because (as per the snippet above) it's using an arbitrary html construction (border- left: 1px solid; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; to represent that. Just use plain text. It's the convention. It's simple, it works. If Gmail imposes this html upon you then I suggest you use IMAP to access your gmail account. You're using Gentoo, so there are plenty of clients which enable you to do this: mutt, pine, Thunderbird, Kmail, ... any of them can post in plain text. I'm sorry to sound like a knob - I do admit to having a bee in my bonnet about this at the moment. I have a client who sends me 100kb emails with tiny unreadable text, a yellow background and multiple images (at least 7), just to convey a sentence or two of actual content. They pad maybe 150 bytes of text with 100,000 bytes of crap (the entire text of Pride Prejudice is 700kb), and its effect is to make the content less readable; I can't bitch to them about their idiocy, because they pay me thousands a year. I know this isn't your fault, but I had been quite busy for some hours and was perhaps tired when I clicked reply to your message last night. I clicked on the text so as to quote inline and a whole paragraph lit up as my mailer tried to deal with it; so I clicked on y mailer's plain text button and all the quote marks disappeared and I couldn't see who had said what. I just couldn't be arsed to deal with it. Just use plain text. It's the convention. It's simple, it works. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is ddrescue this slow?
On 10 Jan 2010, at 21:28, Stroller wrote: On 10 Jan 2010, at 18:09, Valmor de Almeida wrote: ... I am doing this from within systemrescuecd using firefox and gmail. Don't know how to make it plain ascii otherwise. Hopefully just eliminating the html links will work. Stroller, is this what you are referring to? ... If Gmail imposes this html upon you then I suggest you use IMAP to access your gmail account. You're using Gentoo, so there are plenty of clients which enable you to do this: mutt, pine, Thunderbird, Kmail, ... any of them can post in plain text. I just reread the above (from within systemrescuecd), which implies you may be stuck without another working system. Google says If you decide you'd like to write a message in plain text format, just click Plain text along the top of the compose window. http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=8260 If you're stuck without another working system and this doesn't work then let me know I'll make the extra effort, with apologies (and with sympathies for your difficult working conditions - I am sorry if I have exacerbated them). Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Scheduled wakeup from suspend to ram
On 10 Jan 2010, at 18:45, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 10 January 2010 19:11:52 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: one of the very last things I still need Win***s for is to wake me up in the morning: I set up a task schedule to launch a playlist with Winamp. Do you know of any way to let my laptop go on again automatically after I put it to sleep in its RAM? In case it helps: I'm running 32 bit i686, version 2.6.30. Sounds like a classic case of being WAAAY too complicated. Have you considered buying a cheap alarm clock? Or setting your phone to play a tune for an alarm? This was my reaction, too, but c'mon, Linux's sleep functionality must have a rewake feature, mustn't it? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
On 10 Jan 2010, at 19:05, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... Most reasonable people agree that KDE should have supported KDE 3 for at least a few more months. Do you have a citation for that? Preferably one that doesn't define reasonable people as those that think KDE 3.5 should still be developed :) reasonable people = those who agree with me.
Re: [gentoo-user] MagicJack on Gentoo? (preferably PPC)
On 10 Jan 2010, at 19:54, Mark Knecht wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience running MagicJack (or another similar product that's available in the U.S. on a Gentoo machine, preferably a Power PC based machine as that's the only 24/7 machine I have here right now. I didn't find anything about MagicJack in the forums. ... Is this the new cell-phone version you're interested in, or for use with a cabled telephone? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Scheduled wakeup from suspend to ram
On Sunday 10 January 2010 23:40:57 Stroller wrote: On 10 Jan 2010, at 18:45, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 10 January 2010 19:11:52 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: one of the very last things I still need Win***s for is to wake me up in the morning: I set up a task schedule to launch a playlist with Winamp. Do you know of any way to let my laptop go on again automatically after I put it to sleep in its RAM? In case it helps: I'm running 32 bit i686, version 2.6.30. Sounds like a classic case of being WAAAY too complicated. Have you considered buying a cheap alarm clock? Or setting your phone to play a tune for an alarm? This was my reaction, too, but c'mon, Linux's sleep functionality must have a rewake feature, mustn't it? I dunno. Think about this - in suspend, nothing is working and no user-code is running. The only power consumed is what is needed to refresh RAM. That must be there otherwise the content goes away if you try and resume. So what part of the machine is powered to be able to wake it up? PCs don't have alarm clocks, the on-board clock can't usually do it, so the only option is for some code to be running, polling the time and cause the system to wake up. Which is exactly what suspend does not do. Wake-on-LAN can do it, but that's not what the OP wants. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] MagicJack on Gentoo? (preferably PPC)
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 10 Jan 2010, at 19:54, Mark Knecht wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience running MagicJack (or another similar product that's available in the U.S. on a Gentoo machine, preferably a Power PC based machine as that's the only 24/7 machine I have here right now. I didn't find anything about MagicJack in the forums. ... Is this the new cell-phone version you're interested in, or for use with a cabled telephone? Stroller. The USB version for regular in-house phones. Thinking about dumping my wired line. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Scheduled wakeup from suspend to ram
Frank Steinmetzger schrieb am 10.01.2010 18:11: Hi Group one of the very last things I still need Win***s for is to wake me up in the morning: I set up a task schedule to launch a playlist with Winamp. Do you know of any way to let my laptop go on again automatically after I put it to sleep in its RAM? In case it helps: I'm running 32 bit i686, version 2.6.30. TIA You can use the real time clock to wake up from suspend to ram. # Set alarm to 0 echo 0 /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm # Set new alarm time date '+%s' -d '+5 minutes' /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm # Suspend to ram echo mem /sys/power/state If you don't have /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm you need to enable rtc support in your kernel. -- Daniel Pielmeier signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Scheduled wakeup from suspend to ram
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:09:48 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 10 January 2010 23:40:57 Stroller wrote: This was my reaction, too, but c'mon, Linux's sleep functionality must have a rewake feature, mustn't it? I dunno. Think about this - in suspend, nothing is working and no user-code is running. The only power consumed is what is needed to refresh RAM. That must be there otherwise the content goes away if you try and resume. So what part of the machine is powered to be able to wake it up? PCs don't have alarm clocks, the on-board clock can't usually do it, so the only option is for some code to be running, polling the time and cause the system to wake up. Which is exactly what suspend does not do. Windows can do that and BIOS has such settings too. Those are power management settings like suspend to RAM after X minutes, hibernate after Y minutes. In order to hibernate it has to wake up first, so there must be some place where a timer is set. And I have seen it done on Linux. I just never tried it myself. Cheers, Renat -- Probleme kann man niemals mit derselben Denkweise loesen, durch die sie entstanden sind. (Einstein) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:41:51 +, Stroller wrote: reasonable people = those who agree with me. Or pay you lots of money, even if they can't write an email to save their life ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Synonym: a word you use when you can't spell the other one. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
pk wrote: Dale wrote: You say they dropped support. I call it dropping the ball. Same thing. Sorry for butting in... As I understand it, KDE development is mostly driven by volunteers (like most OSS projects). Yes, some are probably paid/employed by interested parties but this doesn't really change the fact that there are limited resources that might be better to concentrate on the latest (and greatest). Not trying to be flame-baiting but, as with all OSS projects, if you don't like something, you can sharpen your hacking skills and contribute/fork/whatever to get what you want. Besides, comparing KDE with Microsoft is a bit unfair, don't you think? MS products is payed and supported through the sale of their software. KDE is free, unless you pay for support... Perhaps it's time to look around for something that suits you better? For me I like simplicity/minimalism and I've settled for xfce4. For the record I used to run K3b with a minimal kde-support environment (kdelibs, qt etc.), still under xfce4 of course, but I stopped using/removed it when KDE4 was enforced. Not that I have anything against qt4/KDE4 but it mandated installation of accessibility libs/utilities + the kitchen sink (why that would be required is beyond me; I thought accessibility was the exception and not the norm)... Again, just my opinion, not meaning to upset you, Dale, or anyone else... Best regards Peter K And this is the same thing that has already been said before. Volunteer or paid, they dropped the ball. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:20:34 -0600, Dale wrote: You say they dropped support. I call it dropping the ball. Same thing. No it's not. One is a bald statement of fact, the other contains a judgement by using negative terminology. If they didn't drop the ball, then why is Redhat having to pick up that ball? If KDE hadn't dropped the ball, then Redhat wouldn't have to pick up that same ball. Yes, it is negative. It sure is because it has had a negative effect on others, not just me either. As bad as I hate M$, one thing I can say, they have never to my knowledge dropped support for a OS unless and until the replacement is fully functional and stable, as finctional and stable as windoze can get anyway. At least they don't leave people with a unsupported OS while they spend a year or two getting the new one ironed out. I don't think KDE will take that long but winders does. You're comparing apples and oranges. With a paid OS, you are mainly paying for support and security updates, which you still get with a paid Linux distro. I realize that M$ is a paid OS but doesn't KDE receive contributions for themselves? Gentoo does? People donate to Gentoo. I don't think Gentoo would make a decision like this. Most reasonable people agree that KDE should have supported KDE 3 for at least a few more months. Do you have a citation for that? Preferably one that doesn't define reasonable people as those that think KDE 3.5 should still be developed :) Well, go join the KDE mailing lists. It's been said several times over there. So, KDE 3 is still not being supported even after all this. Nothing has changed. Who would have thunk it? Well, very little has changed. Most importantly, KDE 3.5 still works as well as it ever did. It was never gong to be developed any more anyway. As far as Gentoo dropping it from portage is concerned, the fix for that is editing one line of make.conf, which is hardly an onerous task. The KDE 3.5 ebuilds are still maintained, they've just moved to a different repository. This really is a non-issue. And some of the KDE 3 stuff is having to be removed either for security problems or they don't compile. I subscribe to -dev too. I see the last rites for them. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
Stroller wrote: On 10 Jan 2010, at 19:05, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... Most reasonable people agree that KDE should have supported KDE 3 for at least a few more months. Do you have a citation for that? Preferably one that doesn't define reasonable people as those that think KDE 3.5 should still be developed :) reasonable people = those who agree with me. Not really, those who said that BEFORE I started having problems at all. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is ddrescue this slow?
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 10 Jan 2010, at 18:09, Valmor de Almeida wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: Would love to comment on this. Is it possible you could resend this post in plain text format? Stroller. Below is my last post copied and pasted into gmail without the html hot [snip] Both messages contain html text formatting. If you look at your last message (the one to which I'm replying now, Message-ID: 128ccc221001101009v75f23dcey7d52967b16f7d...@mail.gmail.com) in a text editor, for instance: I share all of your comments. Yes I was/am stuck inside systemrescuecd. I typically use thunderbird to get my mail from the gmail server as imap and always use plain text (to send and receive). Therefore I am not knowledgeable of the web gmail application; I seldom log into my gmail account with a web browser. Your next e-mail pointed me to the plain option; thanks! Don't know how I could have missed it. Originally I had looked at the settings of my gmail account but it did not help. On my next e-mail I will send a clean plain text resend. Thanks, -- Valmor
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is ddrescue this slow?
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: Would love to comment on this. Is it possible you could resend this post in plain text format? Stroller. Here it goes. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: [snip] in the GNU manual page [1]. I believe that GNU ddrescue is the better version - it was inspired by garloff's original work, and makes improvements, but it operates differently. Comment. Another reason I moved away from dd (apart from the slow running time) to ddrescue was because of this note related to LVM. http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/saw27/notes/backup-hard-disk-partitions.html Steve Holmes reports that dd with conv=sync,noerror doesn't correctly image disks with LVM2 Logical Volumes. I haven't investigated this. He also points out GNU ddrescue ( not the same as dd_rescue mentioned above) which looks useful. According to Steve, ddrescue works finewith LVM2, and some people seem to suggest it's generally superior to dd_rescue. The partition I would like to get data from is under LVM (previous post). Thanks, -- Valmor
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is ddrescue this slow?
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: [snip] I just reread the above (from within systemrescuecd), which implies you may be stuck without another working system. Yes. I am afraid the text below will be confusing but will send anyway. Will be happy to send clarifications if needed. This is a resend (in plain text) of another e-mail I sent with information on the LVM partition on the broken drive. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: [snip] I think Valmor is using GNU ddrescue, with which one makes the multiple passes manually. The -n flag on the command line that Valmor posted (`ddrescue -n /dev/sda /dev/sdc rescued.log`) relates to the examples given in the GNU manual page [1]. I believe that GNU ddrescue is the better version - it was inspired by garloff's original work, and makes improvements, but it operates differently. Indeed I am using GNU ddrescue and the -n flag is supposed to expedite the recovery of data as posted in http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Damaged_Hard_Disk The best solution - both faster and more efficient - seems to be Antonio Diaz's 'ddrescue' (ddrescue) # first, grab most of the error-free areas in a hurry: ./ddrescue -n /dev/old_disk /dev/new_disk rescued.log # then try to recover as much of the dicy areas as possible: ./ddrescue -r 1 /dev/old_disk /dev/new_disk rescued.log expectation, not a reasoned one. I think the best thing he can do is hold his breath, wait until its finished and see how if the results are readable, after running `fsck` on the mounted filesystem. The first step above finished; don't know how long it took but it was a long time (maybe 20 hours or more?) and the screen output was Press Ctrl-C to interrupt Initial status (read from logfile) rescued: 0 B, errsize: 0 B, errors: 0 Current status rescued:58811 MB, errsize: 48909 kB, current rate: 83 B/s ipos:58860 MB, errors: 95,average rate:1365 kB/s opos:58860 MB, time from last successful read: 0 s Copying non-tried blocks... ddrescue: write error: Input/output error Comparing with the screen output at the time of my first post, Current status rescued went from 58656 MB to 58811 MB, errsize went from 4408 kB to 48909 kB. Don't know how the write error: Input/output error message affect the data in the new drive copied to. Not sure whether I should do the next step with option -r 1. This failed drive is still bootable and the corruption is in the partitions /var (which I do not care) and /home; these cannot be mounted. I would like to attempt to get a couple of files from /home that were not in the most recent backup. Maybe I should try to rescue only the partition /home. However this partition is under LVM. Specifically, /dev/sda4 is a linux LVM partition. The volume group is vfda and the logical volume of interest is /dev/vfda/home which has reiserfs file system. Is it possible to rescue data only from this partition when under LVM? Valmor: when I ran the `ddrescue -dr3` stage I had no success at all, however the system was fine after a reboot a `chkdsk`. Better than it had been, in fact, on the old hard-drive. You might have more luck getting *some* of the blocks showing as failed when you run it on your drive, but don't be too disheartened if you don't. Stroller. Stroller, you mean your rescue.log showed no problematic entries? I got over 400 lines in my rescue.log file. r...@sysresccd /root % head rescued.log # Rescue Logfile. Created by GNU ddrescue version 1.11 # current_pos current_status 0xDB45D9000 ? # possize status 0x 0x9CE341000 + 0x9CE341000 0x0200 - 0x9CE341200 0x0001F000 * 0x9CE360200 0x0200 - 0x9CE360400 0x0002 * 0x9CE380400 0x3BD63AC00 + Thanks for inputs. -- Valmor
Re: [gentoo-user] MagicJack on Gentoo? (preferably PPC)
http://www.magicjacksupport.com/using-magicjack-on-linux-f15.html I see a lot of threads for VM solutions but since you're using PPC maybe you can try the SIP/asterisk route. I never got it to work with my trixbox VM, but if you get it working let me/list know lol. -Tence On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 10 Jan 2010, at 19:54, Mark Knecht wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience running MagicJack (or another similar product that's available in the U.S. on a Gentoo machine, preferably a Power PC based machine as that's the only 24/7 machine I have here right now. I didn't find anything about MagicJack in the forums. ... Is this the new cell-phone version you're interested in, or for use with a cabled telephone? Stroller. The USB version for regular in-house phones. Thinking about dumping my wired line. Thanks, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
Peter Ruskin wrote: On Sunday 10 January 2010 23:45:13 Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: On 10 Jan 2010, at 19:05, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... Most reasonable people agree that KDE should have supported KDE 3 for at least a few more months. Do you have a citation for that? Preferably one that doesn't define reasonable people as those that think KDE 3.5 should still be developed :) reasonable people = those who agree with me. Not really, those who said that BEFORE I started having problems at all. Dale Dale, I felt the same as you when they dropped KDE1 for 2, then again when they dropped KDE2 for 3 and now that they've dropped KDE3. We get used to a way of working and don't like the change. Having loved KDE1 I've got used to KDE3, even though some things don't work as well as in KDE1 - a lot of things have been included that weren't there before (K3B for instance). I've learnt to be irritated by this but accept it as inevitable. Again, I am being misunderstood. This is not because I don't like KDE 4. Even when it first came out and was buggy as heck, I thought it was cool. Heck, I'm looking forward to using KDE 4, whenever it works and does what I need a GUI to do. It's not change that bugs me at all. Just to clarify here, I'm not against KDE 4 at all. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:44:21 -0600, Dale wrote: No it's not. One is a bald statement of fact, the other contains a judgement by using negative terminology. If they didn't drop the ball, They didn't, they made a decision. You may not like that decision, but that does not make it a mistake (dropped the ball has a clear implication of a serious mistake). Look at how many people have jumped to side with you in this complaint then why is Redhat having to pick up that ball? If KDE hadn't dropped the ball, then Redhat wouldn't have to pick up that same ball. Red Hat are simply doing what they have already been paid to do. Do you really think they have a serious problem with this? Of course not, otherwise they would have made sure 3.5 development continued, they have the clout. I realize that M$ is a paid OS but doesn't KDE receive contributions for themselves? Gentoo does? People donate to Gentoo. I don't think Gentoo would make a decision like this. The key word there is donate. They are not entering into a contract to supply a specific level of service, they are usually donating for what they have already received. I know I didn't start donating to Gentoo until I had been using it a while. Well, very little has changed. Most importantly, KDE 3.5 still works as well as it ever did. It was never gong to be developed any more anyway. As far as Gentoo dropping it from portage is concerned, the fix for that is editing one line of make.conf, which is hardly an onerous task. The KDE 3.5 ebuilds are still maintained, they've just moved to a different repository. This really is a non-issue. And some of the KDE 3 stuff is having to be removed either for security problems or they don't compile. I subscribe to -dev too. I see the last rites for them. Removed from where? From the portage tree maybe, but they have been moved to an overlay so they are still available to Gentoo users. -- Neil Bothwick If it doesn't fit, you're not using a big enough hammer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @preserved-rebuild EVEN IF some needed package is masked
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:44:21 -0600, Dale wrote: No it's not. One is a bald statement of fact, the other contains a judgement by using negative terminology. If they didn't drop the ball, They didn't, they made a decision. You may not like that decision, but that does not make it a mistake (dropped the ball has a clear implication of a serious mistake). Look at how many people have jumped to side with you in this complaint Yea, they decided to drop the ball. WOW !! I don't NEED anyone on my side to state that point. They did what they did and you can call it anything you want. I call it dropping the ball and it is not going to change. Can you tell that yet? then why is Redhat having to pick up that ball? If KDE hadn't dropped the ball, then Redhat wouldn't have to pick up that same ball. Red Hat are simply doing what they have already been paid to do. Do you really think they have a serious problem with this? Of course not, otherwise they would have made sure 3.5 development continued, they have the clout. I realize that M$ is a paid OS but doesn't KDE receive contributions for themselves? Gentoo does? People donate to Gentoo. I don't think Gentoo would make a decision like this. The key word there is donate. They are not entering into a contract to supply a specific level of service, they are usually donating for what they have already received. I know I didn't start donating to Gentoo until I had been using it a while. Well, very little has changed. Most importantly, KDE 3.5 still works as well as it ever did. It was never gong to be developed any more anyway. As far as Gentoo dropping it from portage is concerned, the fix for that is editing one line of make.conf, which is hardly an onerous task. The KDE 3.5 ebuilds are still maintained, they've just moved to a different repository. This really is a non-issue. And some of the KDE 3 stuff is having to be removed either for security problems or they don't compile. I subscribe to -dev too. I see the last rites for them. Removed from where? From the portage tree maybe, but they have been moved to an overlay so they are still available to Gentoo users. But the packages in the overlay are not supported by KDE either. Again, same thing. Nothing has changed ! Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Scheduled wakeup from suspend to ram
On Monday 11 January 2010 00:36:57 Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:09:48 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 10 January 2010 23:40:57 Stroller wrote: This was my reaction, too, but c'mon, Linux's sleep functionality must have a rewake feature, mustn't it? I dunno. Think about this - in suspend, nothing is working and no user-code is running. The only power consumed is what is needed to refresh RAM. That must be there otherwise the content goes away if you try and resume. So what part of the machine is powered to be able to wake it up? PCs don't have alarm clocks, the on-board clock can't usually do it, so the only option is for some code to be running, polling the time and cause the system to wake up. Which is exactly what suspend does not do. Windows can do that and BIOS has such settings too. Those are power management settings like suspend to RAM after X minutes, hibernate after Y minutes. In order to hibernate it has to wake up first, so there must be some place where a timer is set. And I have seen it done on Linux. I just never tried it myself. Interesting. I haven't looked into that stuff in years, I must be way behind the times then :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
