Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
Albert Hopkins wrote: On Friday, July 22 at 18:42 (-0500), Dale said: I sort of hate to hear there are no major changes. I was hoping for a fix on my kernel panic problem. Oh well. I'll upgrade anyway. Maybe it will help. Fixing a kernel bug is not considered a major change. A major change would be something like oh, we rewrote it in C++ or Linux is now a microkernel (ok, maybe not *that* major but you get the idea). I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it was a major change. That was the reason for my question. I didn't know if this was major or a normal update or something else. I was hoping for something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.* but this is not the case. The reason I was hoping for this was because of my kernel panic issue. I'm still hopeful that something may have been updated that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since this is nothing great. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On 7/22/2011 9:53 PM, CJoeB wrote: Because this will be a new computer and I may essentially void the warranty if I alter the pre-configuration, I seriously thought about leaving the status quo and putting up with Windows 7. However, I would lose practically as much as losing my first born! I would have to put up with all the things that bug me about Windows and I wouldn't have all the programs that I love in Linux. If you are truly concerned about the warranty issue then you would, of course, want to have someone read the actual warrant paperwork that you have. However, typically the only way to void a hardware warranty is to tamper with the hardware. If you replace Windows with Linux on a new PC, you will may lose any free technical support (for software, drivers, etc( you may be entitled to as long as you continue to run this unsupported condition. But if you actually have faulty hardware, they aren't going to refuse to replace or repair it just because you installed software. Plus, Dell in particular supports Linux in a marginally useful way on some of their laptops, so they do have self-help information that would be relevant to you on their site. In the worst case, if you needed to ship your machine back to the manufacturer for repairs, you should receive a set of restore media with any new PC that would allow you to put your system back to factory default, and make your manufacturer more than satisfied. What would you recommend that I used for the iso an stage 3? As a reminder my computer is a Dell XPS 8300 with an Intel Core -i7-2600 processor. I'm a little confused between the choices x86 (which seems to only apply to Pentium 4 systems and only utilizes 32-bit processing), amd64 and ia64. x86 is the name for 32-bit PC processor architecture, such as the older Pentium family, that has been around for decades. (They originally had Intel model numbers like 8086, 80386, 80486, etc.) Very few new PCs are x86 natively, but they will run programs that are meant for x86 machines. This one will work on your Core i7 but is probably not the best choice. amd64 is the name for the 64-bit PC processor architecture, like the Intel Core family processor you have. This is what you'll want to get for your machine. (It's called amd64 in Gentoo because it was originally produced by AMD, but Intel and AMD's current 64-bit processors are compatible and run the same software. Other operating systems call this x64, but it's the same exact hardware.) An x64-based CPU will run x86 programs, but for a source-based distribution like Gentoo there isn't really much benefit to doing so. ia64 is an older and mostly-obsolete Intel attempt at 64-bit processing that was completely incompatible with x86, and came and went very quickly. You can ignore it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:10:55 -0500, Dale wrote: I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it was a major change. That was the reason for my question. I didn't know if this was major or a normal update or something else. I was hoping for something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.* but this is not the case. The reason I was hoping for this was because of my kernel panic issue. I'm still hopeful that something may have been updated that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since this is nothing great. While your problem is major to you, the cause and solution are likely quite minor, an out of the way bug in a driver that requires your talents to discover :) -- Neil Bothwick A friend of mine sent me a postcard with a satellite photo of the entire planet on it, and on the back he wrote, Wish you were here. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:10:55 -0500, Dale wrote: I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it was a major change. That was the reason for my question. I didn't know if this was major or a normal update or something else. I was hoping for something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.* but this is not the case. The reason I was hoping for this was because of my kernel panic issue. I'm still hopeful that something may have been updated that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since this is nothing great. While your problem is major to you, the cause and solution are likely quite minor, an out of the way bug in a driver that requires your talents to discover :) I guess I'm not explaining this well enough. I gave the example of the difference between Seamonkey 1 and Seamonkey 2 for a reason. I was *hoping* 3.0 was going to be a whole new thing but it appears that is not. If, big if there, it was a major change, I was hoping for a fix. Since it is not a major change, I'm not so hopeful now. By the way, after the kernel upgrade, my plugins on youtube no longer work. Youtube is in text mode. o_O Hmm. Does that make sense? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
. I was *hoping* 3.0 was going to be a whole new thing but it appears that is not. If, big if there, it was a major change, I was hoping for a fix. Since it is not a major change, I'm not so hopeful now. Bugs are fixed all the time without major changes. If you enlist the google's help, you can find out what they are. IIRC you're already on 2.6.39 so try searching for 2.6.39.1 then 2.6.39.2, 3.0.0 etc to see if there's anything that sounds like it might fix your issue. Or just try them all as they come out. You can see from the ebuild Changelog which kernel patches match with which ebuild.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!
Am 22.07.2011 21:20, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: Maybe because you did not enable compositing in xfce4, but use it with kde4? No, disabling composition is the first thing I do. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!
On Friday 22 Jul 2011 20:20:47 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Friday 22 July 2011 18:41:26 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 22.07.2011 16:57, schrieb Alan McKinnon: It may look like KDE is the likely culprit based on just the information you provide, but I would be more inclined to look at browser plugins first, concentrating on those with both Firefox and Chromium versions from the same developer team. I have zero browser plugins installed. So that is not the culprit. And why should plugins lock up X when used under KDE but not under XFCE? Maybe because you did not enable compositing in xfce4, but use it with kde4? Well, this is partly correct, although I do not use compositing in KDE - because it will crash X. The problem that X freezes with KDE4 is more likely with webbrowsers but happend when using other programms too. But because of the fact that one or more browsers are nearly always running it is hard to find a freeze without a browser running. There could be a cornercase bug in KDE that only shows up on your specific combination, or maybe there is some edge KDE app you use that disagrees with violently with FF. Or maybe it's the video driver that doesn't actually do what it tells KDE it can do (remember the painfully slow nVidia drivers with early KDE4?) I use the opensource drivers for ati-cards. So t is unlikely to be driver related. I also use open source drivers and these troubles started recently. I am running: x11-base/xorg-server-1.10.2 x11-base/xorg-x11-7.4-r1 x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.10 media-libs/mesa-7.10.3 Well, have a look at http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu- b...@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1483058.html for an example how the open source atidrivers can hang X with firefox. Note that compositing was enabled here (compiz). And here's another one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436632 Thanks for these links. This machine has an ATI Radeon X600 (RV380) 3E50 (PCIE). I have noticed that when I hover over the K menu, or when I select Log out/Shut down, I lose the wallpaper and the whole screen is filled with horizontal tearing/artifacts. This is what makes me thing that this is an xorg breakage rather than FF or KDE. KDE is of course heavier than XFCE or Fluxbox in graphic terms and this may be pushing things over the edge. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
Adam Carter wrote: . I was *hoping* 3.0 was going to be a whole new thing but it appears that is not. If, big if there, it was a major change, I was hoping for a fix. Since it is not a major change, I'm not so hopeful now. Bugs are fixed all the time without major changes. If you enlist the google's help, you can find out what they are. IIRC you're already on 2.6.39 so try searching for 2.6.39.1 then 2.6.39.2, 3.0.0 etc to see if there's anything that sounds like it might fix your issue. Or just try them all as they come out. You can see from the ebuild Changelog which kernel patches match with which ebuild. Does anyone remember the Seamonkey or Firefox upgrades or am I the only one that does? I know fixes are done all the time. I was just *hoping* that since this was a huge number change, like Seamonkey going from Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2, that there would be some major changes. That is why I asked if oldconfig would work. I have seen a couple times when oldconfig wouldn't work even in the 2.* series but if this was some new and improved thing that has been worked on for a while, I wasn't sure if starting from scratch was recommended or not. .I know now that is is basically nothing new except 2.6.39 with more of the usual fixes. Here is some funny after thoughts on this tho. I went to some other sites that have videos, other than Youtube. It is working so far. I have downloaded a few videos and not one crash yet. Why am I not using youtube you wonder, it is text only. Everything works on all the other sites except youtube. I cleared all the cookies for youtube stuff but still no worky. I have this snipped list of things installed: root@fireball / # equery list *plugin* seamonkey *flash* * Searching for *plugin* ... [IP-] [ ] kde-base/kurifilter-plugins-4.6.5:4 [IP-] [ ] kde-base/nsplugins-4.6.5:4 Snipped out unrelated stuff [IP-] [ ] www-plugins/nspluginwrapper-1.4.4-r1:0 * Searching for seamonkey ... [IP-] [ ] www-client/seamonkey-2.0.14-r1:0 * Searching for *flash* ... [IP-] [ ] www-plugins/adobe-flash-11.0.1.60_beta201107131-r1:0 root@fireball / # Am I missing something? It works in Konqueror tho. I haven't got up the nerve yet to open Firefox and see if it works or still causes a crash. Weird stuff going on here. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
Dale wrote: Does anyone remember the Seamonkey or Firefox upgrades or am I the only one that does? I know fixes are done all the time. I was just *hoping* that since this was a huge number change, like Seamonkey going from Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2, that there would be some major changes. That is why I asked if oldconfig would work. I have seen a couple times when oldconfig wouldn't work even in the 2.* series but if this was some new and improved thing that has been worked on for a while, I wasn't sure if starting from scratch was recommended or not. .I know now that is is basically nothing new except 2.6.39 with more of the usual fixes. Here is some funny after thoughts on this tho. I went to some other sites that have videos, other than Youtube. It is working so far. I have downloaded a few videos and not one crash yet. Why am I not using youtube you wonder, it is text only. Everything works on all the other sites except youtube. I cleared all the cookies for youtube stuff but still no worky. I have this snipped list of things installed: root@fireball / # equery list *plugin* seamonkey *flash* * Searching for *plugin* ... [IP-] [ ] kde-base/kurifilter-plugins-4.6.5:4 [IP-] [ ] kde-base/nsplugins-4.6.5:4 Snipped out unrelated stuff [IP-] [ ] www-plugins/nspluginwrapper-1.4.4-r1:0 * Searching for seamonkey ... [IP-] [ ] www-client/seamonkey-2.0.14-r1:0 * Searching for *flash* ... [IP-] [ ] www-plugins/adobe-flash-11.0.1.60_beta201107131-r1:0 root@fireball / # Am I missing something? It works in Konqueror tho. I haven't got up the nerve yet to open Firefox and see if it works or still causes a crash. Weird stuff going on here. Dale :-) :-) I got it fixed. It was adblock blocking something new. I guess the filters got updated and youtube needs something it was blocking. Trying to get my nerve up to try Firefox, just out of curiosity mostly. Thanks to all. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
On Saturday, July 23 at 01:10 (-0500), Dale said: I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it was a major change. That was the reason for my question. I didn't know if this was major or a normal update or something else. I was hoping for something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.* but this is not the case. The reason I was hoping for this was because of my kernel panic issue. I'm still hopeful that something may have been updated that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since this is nothing great. Yeah, but a kernel panic is *not* a major issue. They are reported all the time. And it probably doesn't take a *major* change to fix it. To the contrary, *major* changes typically introduce more bugs. So you probably *don't* want a major change. * Major change: re-write or architecture change * Minor change: bug fixes -- you want this
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
Albert Hopkins wrote: On Saturday, July 23 at 01:10 (-0500), Dale said: I was hoping since it was a whole different numbering scheme that it was a major change. That was the reason for my question. I didn't know if this was major or a normal update or something else. I was hoping for something like when Seamonkey went from version 1.* to 2.* but this is not the case. The reason I was hoping for this was because of my kernel panic issue. I'm still hopeful that something may have been updated that will fix my problem but I'm not as hopeful now since this is nothing great. Yeah, but a kernel panic is *not* a major issue. They are reported all the time. And it probably doesn't take a *major* change to fix it. To the contrary, *major* changes typically introduce more bugs. So you probably *don't* want a major change. * Major change: re-write or architecture change * Minor change: bug fixes-- you want this But sometimes major changes can fix things and do things completely different which can lead to other issues being fixed. Seamonkey did the same when they did their major redo. Bad thing is, the kernel panics are at it again. I had a little bit of time to download a video or two but here we go again. Back to the normal reboots I guess. :-( Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:22:32PM -0500, Dale wrote: ... using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel panic. This was in Seamonkey. ... So, when Seamonkey or Firefox try to download something, besides the web pages itself, I get a kernel panic. Is this weird or what? BTW, as any other browser (well, new enough..), firefox starts downloading as soon as you click on a link (ie, it dowloads it while you are choosing where to save it, so that by the time you choose the dir/filename, smaller files are allready downloaded ;). You can easilly see this if you have some kind of network traffic monitoring widget/applet/app... I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most likely in that operation.. yoyo
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
On Saturday, July 23 at 05:33 (-0500), Dale said: But sometimes major changes can fix things and do things completely different which can lead to other issues being fixed. Seamonkey did the same when they did their major redo. Bad thing is, the kernel panics are at it again. I had a little bit of time to download a video or two but here we go again. Back to the normal reboots I guess. :-( Yeah but typically.. or maybe my experience is completely different than most, but typically major releases center on new features and not fixing bugs, and major releases tend to create a whole lot more new bugs than fixes (which is why many people hold out for for major_release.1) :P Anyway, here's something... did you actually report a bug? If a tree falls in the forest...
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On Saturday 23 Jul 2011 07:25:42 Mike Edenfield wrote: On 7/22/2011 9:53 PM, CJoeB wrote: Because this will be a new computer and I may essentially void the warranty if I alter the pre-configuration, I seriously thought about leaving the status quo and putting up with Windows 7. However, I would lose practically as much as losing my first born! I would have to put up with all the things that bug me about Windows and I wouldn't have all the programs that I love in Linux. No you don't *have* to put up with Windows 7 - you can shrink the Windows OS partition and install Gentoo in the recovered disk space. See more on this below. If you are truly concerned about the warranty issue then you would, of course, want to have someone read the actual warrant paperwork that you have. However, typically the only way to void a hardware warranty is to tamper with the hardware. If you replace Windows with Linux on a new PC, you will may lose any free technical support (for software, drivers, etc( you may be entitled to as long as you continue to run this unsupported condition. But if you actually have faulty hardware, they aren't going to refuse to replace or repair it just because you installed software. Plus, Dell in particular supports Linux in a marginally useful way on some of their laptops, so they do have self-help information that would be relevant to you on their site. Strictly speaking this may be true, however, you try and reason over the telephone with some support person in a foreign country, who's reading from a script and keeps asking you to reboot the machine or run the Dell diagnostics aheam! spyware that originally came with it! I seem to recall a case where a user wiped their drive clean and installed Ubuntu or some such. The laptop went faulty and the person asked for it to be repaired/replaced under warranty, only to be told that this could not be honoured without the original OS on the machine! I think it was this one: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/114250 I believe that after the media got involved the OEM backtracked and fixed the laptop, but is this something you would want to have to argue through just so that they fix your *new* machine? Plus, there may be a legal and legitimate case for Dell to refuse to a)diagnose the problem without the OEM software and OS installed; and b)they could potentially argue that your Linux OS and your configuration could have somehow hammered the drive/NIC/Video card etc to the point of causing a hardware failure. I couldn't blame them for not wanting to look into your hdparm settings or what not. ;-) In the worst case, if you needed to ship your machine back to the manufacturer for repairs, you should receive a set of restore media with any new PC that would allow you to put your system back to factory default, and make your manufacturer more than satisfied. These days the restore media are often on a separate partition on the drive. This is what I did with my Dell as soon as I got it: 1. Burned a SystemRescue CD. 2. Booted the laptop with the CD. Note: You should immediately press F2 to get into BIOS to enable booting from DVD drive, before the Dell FreeDOS system boots up and the Dell Windows 7 install script starts running). 3. Used PartImage or dd or similar to create back up images for each Dell partition. (There were 3 partitions in total: Dell recovery OS, a MSWindows boot partition and the main Windows 7 OS partition.) 4. Then you need to decide if you're going with a dual boot system, or Gentoo only. I decided to have a dual boot system, rather than having to restore from scratch if there was a warranty claim. So here is what I did next: 5. Used qparted to shrink Windows 7 to something like 50G - you may need/want more than that. Now boot fully into Windows 7 and let it run chkdsk *without* interrupting it (takes ages). Once you make sure your Windows 7 can boot up and works as promised you can move on with installing Gentoo. 6. Created new partitions (swap, /boot, /, /home, /var, /usr/portage), formatted them and then installed Gentoo as per the guidebook. Except for installing GRUB. 7. I installed GRUB in the /boot partition, *not* in the MBR of /dev/sda - just in case Dell were to decided to decline support because I interfered with the MBR. Instead I used the Windows 7 boot loader to chainload my GRUB boot code. For details on this you can have a look here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/227265 YMMV because Dell and MSWindows may have changed the way the do things at first run. So please don't blame me if the above suggestions don't work out for you! ;-) HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] No keyboard or mouse with X after upgrade
On Saturday 23 Jul 2011 03:53:44 Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:39 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 10:18 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 22:00 -0400, Jeff Cranmer wrote: Hi All, I recently ran an emerge -NDuav on my system and world lists, and now I can't start X and keep the keyboard or mouse operating. Is this a known issue? Any simple fixes? Thanks in advance Jeff Did you follow the rebuild instructions for keyboard/mouse etc in the ebuild messages? - yes its a known problem when you dont do that. BillK Thanks. It looks like I've missed that. Where were the ebuild messages? I don't see anything on xorg-server-1.10.2 Got it - xf86-input-evdev needed to be recompiled to recover keyboard and mouse operation. Thanks Jeff Have a look here: http://gmane.linux.gentoo.user/244589 -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
You've had some very good advice from Mike + Mick, but you can have a bit more re-assurance from me. You shouldn't have a warranty problem if you keep Windows 7 installed. For that, you can easily install Gentoo alongside it. I did that with my Asus netbook, which came with XP : I got XP to tell me how much disk space it was using, then used Systemrescue to shrink the partition to about twice that much -- to be safe allow for some personal files or programs, if I ever used Windows for anything -- , then installed Gentoo on the remainder (most) of the disk. I used Lilo to dual-boot XP still works. There was an extra Windows partition which I wiped out, but that didn't affect the ordinary booting of XP. Linux is far better than Losedows Gentoo the best distro provided you're prepared to put in a bit of time maintaining it. HTH -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On 07/22/11 23:07, Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:53 PM, CJoeB colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Because this will be a new computer and I may essentially void the warranty if I alter the pre-configuration, I seriously thought about leaving the status quo and putting up with Windows 7. What would you recommend that I used for the iso an stage 3? As a reminder my computer is a Dell XPS 8300 with an Intel Core -i7-2600 processor. I'm a little confused between the choices x86 (which seems to only apply to Pentium 4 systems and only utilizes 32-bit processing), amd64 and ia64. Regards, Colleen -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Hi Colleen, I'm not sure I understand the warranty issue so take this with a grain of salt but most of the pre-configured Windows machines I've received in the last couple of years had some disk space left over outside of the Windows C drive. I'm sure you could install Gentoo on one of those and not void anything, assuming you have one. The thing is, I don't want Windows on the computer at all. My laptop is 4 years old and it was booted into Windows once and that was only because I didn't hit the F2 key fast enough to get into the bios to change the boot order. Then, Windows got removed completely. The computer I am getting is a desktop for home use and everything I need is in Linux. I don't want to have to put up with all the pain in the ass stuff Windows puts you through. I have to put up with Windows all day at work and it's like a breath of fresh air when I can come home to my Linux system. William's comment about running Gentoo in a VM is very valid. I've never installed a virtual machine so wouldn't even know how to go about it. There really aren't any specific 64-bit things I'm aware of that you need to choose. It's all pretty generic these days, at least with the Intel processors. I've not used an AMD processor in a while. Boot from pretty much any Linux Live CD and then do the stage 3 install and you should be fine. ia64 isn't TTBOMK knowledge something you need to pay attention to. All my Intel i5 i7 machines are amd64 stable with a few ~amd64 packages. So, if I choose the amd64 iso and Stage 3, it doesn't have to be on an AMD machine? One note about the Sandy Bridge processor is reight now it does require a specific CFLAG setting to get everything to build correctly due to a gcc bug. So how do I know if it's a Sandy Bridge processor? Nothing in the specs that I read says it's anything more than and Intel i-7. As for any other distro, once you use Gentoo you won't be happy elsewhere. ;-) Stick with Gentoo, most especially since you have all the hardware power you need to build code at world class speed. I *have* tried other distros - first Redhat, then Fedora, then Kubuntu and you're right ... I wouldn't be happy with anything but Gentoo! I started my Linux journey in 2000, went to Gentoo in 2004 and have always been happy with it. The question is not really whether I will install Gentoo, but more about choosing the correct iso and Stage 3 because I don't want to get into a pickle that I can't handle. Regards, Colleen -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't find reiser4 patch for kernel-2.6.39
On 21 July 2011, at 00:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... I really do not care about your esteem for me. Or what anybody else on this list think about me. If you don't care that you offend people here on a regular basis, then you have no right to be offended by others. So just shut up. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] New computer and Gentoo
On 22 July 2011, at 07:45, Florian Philipp wrote: Every native setting is just resolved by gcc at compile time to some concrete setting like core2. Perfectly correct. On 21 July 2011, at 15:05, Florian Philipp wrote: ... (unless, of course, if the GCC guys get their switch-case logic wrong). Unfortunately, this has been known to happen. See GCC bug 48743. http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=48743 Admittedly the affected CPU in that case is somewhat older, dated and unfashionable. Hopefully such errors will be less common on newer CPUs, but we shouldn't rule it out. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!
On 21 July 2011, at 19:48, Dale wrote: ... I would try to kill it as root. The -9 option should work. That hasn't failed me yet. I always run kill commands as root and DOUBLE check the PID after typing it in. I believe that `kill -9` is bad practice - doesn't it leave memory allocated to the processes as unrecoverable or something? I believe other signals should be attempted first. See the list in `man kill`. I won't swear to it, but `kill -4` sounds right. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!
* Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk [110723 09:21]: On 21 July 2011, at 19:48, Dale wrote: ... I would try to kill it as root. The -9 option should work. That hasn't failed me yet. I always run kill commands as root and DOUBLE check the PID after typing it in. I believe that `kill -9` is bad practice - doesn't it leave memory allocated to the processes as unrecoverable or something? I believe other signals should be attempted first. See the list in `man kill`. I won't swear to it, but `kill -4` sounds right. Stroller. No, a kill -9 shouldn't leave memory allocated. However, it is best to try other signals first because it gives the app a chance to clean up before closing (if they handle the signals.) But that's also why they don't necessarily work. SIGHUP (kill -1) is the first thing I generally try. Depending on the app I may try SIGQUIT (kill -15) but generally it's straight to kill -9 if the kill -1 doesn't work. Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
Albert Hopkins wrote: On Saturday, July 23 at 05:33 (-0500), Dale said: But sometimes major changes can fix things and do things completely different which can lead to other issues being fixed. Seamonkey did the same when they did their major redo. Bad thing is, the kernel panics are at it again. I had a little bit of time to download a video or two but here we go again. Back to the normal reboots I guess. :-( Yeah but typically.. or maybe my experience is completely different than most, but typically major releases center on new features and not fixing bugs, and major releases tend to create a whole lot more new bugs than fixes (which is why many people hold out for formajor_release.1) :P Anyway, here's something... did you actually report a bug? If a tree falls in the forest... I haven't filed a bug because at the moment we have not been able to figure out exactly what is causing it. I know it is a kernel panic but not what part. Seamonkey and Firefox works until I start to download something then there is a kernel panic. While is causes a panic with Seamonkey or Firrefox, emerge can download for hours with not one problem. Is it a network card driver or something else? We don't know. I just keep trying different things until I can find something that works then hopefully can figure out what changed. I'm thinking about going back to the oldest kernel I can. The oldest I have tried is 2.6.38 but .32 is still in the tree. There is a whole thread, or two, on this tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
YoYo Siska wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:22:32PM -0500, Dale wrote: ... using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel panic. This was in Seamonkey. ... So, when Seamonkey or Firefox try to download something, besides the web pages itself, I get a kernel panic. Is this weird or what? BTW, as any other browser (well, new enough..), firefox starts downloading as soon as you click on a link (ie, it dowloads it while you are choosing where to save it, so that by the time you choose the dir/filename, smaller files are allready downloaded ;). You can easilly see this if you have some kind of network traffic monitoring widget/applet/app... I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most likely in that operation.. yoyo I have noticed that too. You are correct that that is how it is done. I have had some smaller files that by the time I pick where to put it, it is already downloaded. I just find it downright odd that a browser causes a panic because of a download when other programs, like emerge, can download just fine. I just had a thought. I'm going to use Konqueror to download a tarball and see if that fails. If that works, I don't know what to think really but if it fails, maybe something is off on my /tmp directory or something. Does this look normal: root@fireball / # ls -al / total 36 drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 616 Jul 19 11:22 . drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 616 Jul 19 11:22 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 2632 Jul 8 07:12 bin drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Jul 23 01:20 boot drwxr-xr-x 2 root root80 Jul 16 03:02 .config drwxr-xr-x 52 dale users 2752 Jun 23 01:16 data drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4480 Jul 23 05:19 dev drwxr-xr-x 78 root root 4704 Jul 23 05:28 etc drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 home lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jul 13 21:14 lib - lib64 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 3704 Jul 13 21:14 lib32 drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4464 Jul 13 21:14 lib64 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root88 Jul 10 18:17 media drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 192 Jan 5 2011 mnt drwxr-xr-x 80 root root 4688 Jun 17 04:35 old-etc drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 200 Jul 8 21:15 opt dr-xr-xr-x 162 root root 0 Jul 23 05:18 proc drwxr-xr-x 3 root root80 Jun 18 17:23 Resources drwx-- 28 root root 3568 Jul 23 05:34 root drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4880 Jul 13 21:14 sbin drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 0 Jul 23 05:18 sys drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 304 Jul 23 09:35 tmp drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 472 Feb 8 17:25 usr drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Jul 8 03:11 var root@fireball / # How about this for the content of /tmp: root@fireball / # ls -al /tmp/ total 25 drwxrwxrwt 9 root root 424 Jul 23 09:40 . drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 616 Jul 19 11:22 .. drwx-- 2 dale dale2 120 Jul 23 05:28 akonadi-dale.GkYTTP drwxrwxrwt 2 root root72 Jul 23 05:28 .ICE-unix drwx-- 3 dale dale2 320 Jul 23 05:28 kde-dale drwx-- 3 root root 112 Jul 23 09:38 kde-root drwx-- 2 dale dale2 264 Jul 23 09:38 ksocket-dale drwx-- 2 root root 128 Jul 23 09:39 ksocket-root -rw--- 1 dale dale2 5284 Jul 23 09:40 nscopy.tmp -rw--- 1 dale dale2 5022 Jul 23 09:40 nsemail.eml srwxr-xr-x 1 dale dale20 Jul 23 05:29 virt_ -rw--- 1 dale dale2 947 Jul 23 05:28 virtuoso_ZT3609.ini -r--r--r-- 1 root root11 Jul 23 05:19 .X0-lock drwxrwxrwt 2 root root72 Jul 23 05:19 .X11-unix root@fireball / # Shouldn't kde-dale be owned by me but have user(s) as the group? The user dale2 is my clean login that I use to test things with. I'm going to logout and then clean that directory and see what it creates when I log back in again. Thoughts on this? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!
On Saturday 23 Jul 2011 14:31:23 Todd Goodman wrote: * Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk [110723 09:21]: On 21 July 2011, at 19:48, Dale wrote: ... I would try to kill it as root. The -9 option should work. That hasn't failed me yet. I always run kill commands as root and DOUBLE check the PID after typing it in. I believe that `kill -9` is bad practice - doesn't it leave memory allocated to the processes as unrecoverable or something? I believe other signals should be attempted first. See the list in `man kill`. I won't swear to it, but `kill -4` sounds right. Stroller. No, a kill -9 shouldn't leave memory allocated. However, it is best to try other signals first because it gives the app a chance to clean up before closing (if they handle the signals.) But that's also why they don't necessarily work. SIGHUP (kill -1) is the first thing I generally try. Depending on the app I may try SIGQUIT (kill -15) but generally it's straight to kill -9 if the kill -1 doesn't work. Todd Thanks, I tried kill -15 first and then kill -9. I also tried pkill, killall, but I got no response from firefox and run out of ideas. What does kill -4 do? What is ILL? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On 7/23/2011 7:47 AM, Mick wrote: On Saturday 23 Jul 2011 07:25:42 Mike Edenfield wrote: I seem to recall a case where a user wiped their drive clean and installed Ubuntu or some such. The laptop went faulty and the person asked for it to be repaired/replaced under warranty, only to be told that this could not be honoured without the original OS on the machine! I think it was this one: I'm actually speaking from experience here: the first thing I did on my Inspiron was wipe the HD and install Gentoo, only to learn that the wireless card was faulty. And since I could not run the standard Windows diagnostics they couldn't (wouldn't?) help me. So I booted the restore CD, put Windows back, and got a new NIC within about a week. --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!
* Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [110723 10:20]: On Saturday 23 Jul 2011 14:31:23 Todd Goodman wrote: * Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk [110723 09:21]: On 21 July 2011, at 19:48, Dale wrote: ... I would try to kill it as root. The -9 option should work. That hasn't failed me yet. I always run kill commands as root and DOUBLE check the PID after typing it in. I believe that `kill -9` is bad practice - doesn't it leave memory allocated to the processes as unrecoverable or something? I believe other signals should be attempted first. See the list in `man kill`. I won't swear to it, but `kill -4` sounds right. Stroller. No, a kill -9 shouldn't leave memory allocated. However, it is best to try other signals first because it gives the app a chance to clean up before closing (if they handle the signals.) But that's also why they don't necessarily work. SIGHUP (kill -1) is the first thing I generally try. Depending on the app I may try SIGQUIT (kill -15) but generally it's straight to kill -9 if the kill -1 doesn't work. Todd Thanks, I tried kill -15 first and then kill -9. I also tried pkill, killall, but I got no response from firefox and run out of ideas. What does kill -4 do? What is ILL? SIGILL is an illegal instruction. Not one you'd want to use with kill in general. Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On Fri, Jul 22 2011, CJoeB wrote: Because this will be a new computer and I may essentially void the warranty if I alter the pre-configuration, I seriously thought about leaving the status quo and putting up with Windows 7. You have already received much good advice. I would add that dell support is often happier if you are running windows. So I always set up a dual boot configuration with only a small windows partition. I *always* get media from dell to reinstall windows if needed. In the old days the dell media took the entire disk for windows, but this is much better now and partitions (and hence dual booting) are supported. Good luck. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On Saturday 23 Jul 2011 14:28:32 CJoeB wrote: The thing is, I don't want Windows on the computer at all. My laptop is 4 years old and it was booted into Windows once and that was only because I didn't hit the F2 key fast enough to get into the bios to change the boot order. Then, Windows got removed completely. The computer I am getting is a desktop for home use and everything I need is in Linux. I don't want to have to put up with all the pain in the ass stuff Windows puts you through. I have to put up with Windows all day at work and it's like a breath of fresh air when I can come home to my Linux system. In that case you can create a back up of all the OEM partitions as I suggested and then wipe the drive clean and install gentoo. If things break you'll have to replace components yourself - to be honest unless a CPU/MoBo goes bad on you it is relatively cheap to by a drive or PSU these days. In other words, consider yourself self-insured and definitely don't waste any money on extended warranties. William's comment about running Gentoo in a VM is very valid. I've never installed a virtual machine so wouldn't even know how to go about it. There's loads of howtos in Google for this. It is not difficult at all (most of the times) but there is no reason to boot into MSWindows only to run Gentoo! There really aren't any specific 64-bit things I'm aware of that you need to choose. It's all pretty generic these days, at least with the Intel processors. I've not used an AMD processor in a while. Boot from pretty much any Linux Live CD and then do the stage 3 install and you should be fine. ia64 isn't TTBOMK knowledge something you need to pay attention to. All my Intel i5 i7 machines are amd64 stable with a few ~amd64 packages. So, if I choose the amd64 iso and Stage 3, it doesn't have to be on an AMD machine? Correct, you will use this iso (or systemrescueCD or Knoppix) and a Staqe 3 equivalent to build a system on an Intel 64bit CPU. One note about the Sandy Bridge processor is reight now it does require a specific CFLAG setting to get everything to build correctly due to a gcc bug. So how do I know if it's a Sandy Bridge processor? Nothing in the specs that I read says it's anything more than and Intel i-7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Desktop_processors HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/ total 640 drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 .. drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Feb 7 07:14 backup -rw--- 1 dale users 3685 Jul 23 01:59 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users127 Dec 8 2008 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users193 Dec 8 2008 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users551 Dec 8 2008 .bashrc drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users104 Apr 12 10:50 .cache drwxr-xr-x 10 dale users256 Jan 2 2010 .cddb drwx-- 16 dale users480 Jul 5 00:54 .config drwx-- 2 dale users 80 Aug 28 2009 .cups -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users263 Jan 25 2009 dalek1967.revoke -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users279 Oct 8 2006 dalek.revoke drwx-- 3 dale users 80 Dec 11 2008 .dbus -rw-r--r-- 1 dale ssmtp 20337 Mar 12 16:36 dead.letter drwx-- 3 dale users688 Jul 23 05:18 Desktop -rw--- 1 root root 119 Jun 17 03:03 .directory -rw--- 1 dale users 24 Jul 18 00:18 .dmrc -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 40 Feb 10 2009 .dolphinview drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Jan 18 2011 Downloads drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2136 Jul 23 02:26 dwhelper -rw--- 1 dale users 16 Jan 26 2009 .esd_auth -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 7669 Feb 16 2009 .face.icon -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 786 Oct 30 2009 fahback drwxr-xr-x 6 dale dale2440 Jul 17 23:49 .fluxbox drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 4912 Jul 18 00:15 .fontconfig drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users152 Dec 11 2008 .fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users530 Feb 21 2010 .fonts.conf drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Jun 6 23:30 .gconf drwx-- 2 dale users 80 Jun 10 00:51 .gconfd drwx-- 4 dale users 96 Mar 29 2009 .gegl-0.0 drwxr-xr-x 22 dale users984 Jun 28 16:45 .gimp-2.6 drwxrwxr-x 6 dale users456 Jul 15 03:07 .gkrellm2 drwx-- 3 dale users 72 Sep 28 2009 .gnome2 drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Dec 11 2008 .gnome2_private drwx-- 3 dale users592 Jul 23 10:05 .gnupg drwx-- 6 dale users296 Jun 6 15:02 .googleearth drwx-- 2 dale users 72 Dec 25 2008 .gphoto drwxr-xr-x 5 dale users208 Mar 26 2010 .gqview drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users128 Jul 8 15:44 .gstreamer-0.10 -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users254 Jan 20 2011 .gtk-bookmarks -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2429 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 dale dale2 21 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 - /home/dale/.gtkrc-2.0 drwxr- 2 dale users112 Jul 2 19:14 .hplip -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 4364 Jun 17 00:29 .hugin -rw--- 1 dale users 0 Mar 12 2010 .ICEauthority drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Mar 15 10:59 .icedtea drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2136 Jan 24 22:11 .icedteaplugin drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 72 Jul 18 00:15 .icewm drwxr-xr-x 4 dale dale2112 Sep 4 2010 .java drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 568 Jul 8 17:05 .kde4 drwxr-xr-x 6 dale users568 Dec 13 2010 .kde4.old drwxr-xr-x 5 dale dale2120 Jun 26 15:28 kdenlive -rw--- 1 dale users521 Jul 19 21:32 .kderc drwxr--r-- 2 dale dale2 72 Mar 12 16:36 .linuxcounter drwx-- 3 dale users152 May 6 2010 .local drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .macromedia drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 72 May 15 2010 .marble drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users112 Dec 11 2008 .mcop -rw--- 1 dale users 31 Mar 12 2010 .mcoprc drwx-- 5 dale users136 Jul 11 02:06 .mozilla drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 88 Jan 2 2009 .mp3splt-gtk drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 96 Dec 12 2009 .mplayer drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Jan 18 2011 .netx drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users104 Oct 11 2009 .nvclock -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 1204 Jun 6 03:00 .nvidia-settings-rc drwx-- 3 dale dale2 72 Jun 16 04:14 .ooo3 drwx-- 3 dale users 72 Nov 18 2010 .ooo3.old drwx-- 10 dale users992 May 21 2009 .opera drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 80 Jan 9 2009 .porthole -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2172 Feb 12 02:33 .ptbt1 drwx-- 6 dale users304 Oct 10 2010 .purple drwxr-xr-x 7 dale users272 Mar 22 2010 .PySolFC drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users296 Mar 12 2010 .qt -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users280 May 17 2009 rdalek1967.revoke -rw--- 1 dale users 9131 Jun 16 04:14 .recently-used drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users320 Apr 10 16:55 .scribus drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Dec 8 2008 .ssh drwx-- 4 dale dale2 96 Jul 22 01:20 .thumbnails drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 72 Feb 21 2010 .tkdvd -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 1147 Feb 11 2010 .tuxcards -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2127 Jun 17 2010 .Wammu drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 48 Jan 24 2009 .wapi -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2
Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/ total 640 drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 .. drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Feb 7 07:14 backup -rw--- 1 dale users 3685 Jul 23 01:59 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users127 Dec 8 2008 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users193 Dec 8 2008 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users551 Dec 8 2008 .bashrc drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users104 Apr 12 10:50 .cache drwxr-xr-x 10 dale users256 Jan 2 2010 .cddb drwx-- 16 dale users480 Jul 5 00:54 .config drwx-- 2 dale users 80 Aug 28 2009 .cups -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users263 Jan 25 2009 dalek1967.revoke -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users279 Oct 8 2006 dalek.revoke drwx-- 3 dale users 80 Dec 11 2008 .dbus -rw-r--r-- 1 dale ssmtp 20337 Mar 12 16:36 dead.letter drwx-- 3 dale users688 Jul 23 05:18 Desktop -rw--- 1 root root 119 Jun 17 03:03 .directory -rw--- 1 dale users 24 Jul 18 00:18 .dmrc -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 40 Feb 10 2009 .dolphinview drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Jan 18 2011 Downloads drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2136 Jul 23 02:26 dwhelper -rw--- 1 dale users 16 Jan 26 2009 .esd_auth -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 7669 Feb 16 2009 .face.icon -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 786 Oct 30 2009 fahback drwxr-xr-x 6 dale dale2440 Jul 17 23:49 .fluxbox drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 4912 Jul 18 00:15 .fontconfig drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users152 Dec 11 2008 .fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users530 Feb 21 2010 .fonts.conf drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Jun 6 23:30 .gconf drwx-- 2 dale users 80 Jun 10 00:51 .gconfd drwx-- 4 dale users 96 Mar 29 2009 .gegl-0.0 drwxr-xr-x 22 dale users984 Jun 28 16:45 .gimp-2.6 drwxrwxr-x 6 dale users456 Jul 15 03:07 .gkrellm2 drwx-- 3 dale users 72 Sep 28 2009 .gnome2 drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Dec 11 2008 .gnome2_private drwx-- 3 dale users592 Jul 23 10:05 .gnupg drwx-- 6 dale users296 Jun 6 15:02 .googleearth drwx-- 2 dale users 72 Dec 25 2008 .gphoto drwxr-xr-x 5 dale users208 Mar 26 2010 .gqview drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users128 Jul 8 15:44 .gstreamer-0.10 -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users254 Jan 20 2011 .gtk-bookmarks -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2429 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 dale dale2 21 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 - /home/dale/.gtkrc-2.0 drwxr- 2 dale users112 Jul 2 19:14 .hplip -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 4364 Jun 17 00:29 .hugin -rw--- 1 dale users 0 Mar 12 2010 .ICEauthority drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Mar 15 10:59 .icedtea drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2136 Jan 24 22:11 .icedteaplugin drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 72 Jul 18 00:15 .icewm drwxr-xr-x 4 dale dale2112 Sep 4 2010 .java drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 568 Jul 8 17:05 .kde4 drwxr-xr-x 6 dale users568 Dec 13 2010 .kde4.old drwxr-xr-x 5 dale dale2120 Jun 26 15:28 kdenlive -rw--- 1 dale users521 Jul 19 21:32 .kderc drwxr--r-- 2 dale dale2 72 Mar 12 16:36 .linuxcounter drwx-- 3 dale users152 May 6 2010 .local drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .macromedia drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 72 May 15 2010 .marble drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users112 Dec 11 2008 .mcop -rw--- 1 dale users 31 Mar 12 2010 .mcoprc drwx-- 5 dale users136 Jul 11 02:06 .mozilla drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 88 Jan 2 2009 .mp3splt-gtk drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 96 Dec 12 2009 .mplayer drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Jan 18 2011 .netx drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users104 Oct 11 2009 .nvclock -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 1204 Jun 6 03:00 .nvidia-settings-rc drwx-- 3 dale dale2 72 Jun 16 04:14 .ooo3 drwx-- 3 dale users 72 Nov 18 2010 .ooo3.old drwx-- 10 dale users992 May 21 2009 .opera drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 80 Jan 9 2009 .porthole -rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2172 Feb 12 02:33 .ptbt1 drwx-- 6 dale users304 Oct 10 2010 .purple drwxr-xr-x 7 dale users272 Mar 22 2010 .PySolFC drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users296 Mar 12 2010 .qt -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users280 May 17 2009 rdalek1967.revoke -rw--- 1 dale users 9131 Jun 16 04:14 .recently-used drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users320 Apr 10 16:55 .scribus drwx-- 2 dale users 48 Dec 8 2008 .ssh drwx-- 4 dale dale2 96 Jul 22 01:20 .thumbnails drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 72 Feb 21 2010 .tkdvd -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
Dale writes: OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/ total 640 drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 .. drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux [...] By comparison, check this out for my test user: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale2/ total 73 drwx-- 13 dale2 users 544 Jul 11 01:59 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root208 Jun 17 03:01 .. -rw--- 1 dale2 500 5 Jul 11 01:59 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 127 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 193 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 551 Apr 18 14:04 .bashrc drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 128 Jul 5 12:28 .config drwx-- 3 dale2 users80 May 8 11:55 .dbus drwx-- 2 dale2 users 144 May 8 11:55 Desktop -rw--- 1 dale2 users24 Jul 6 22:18 .dmrc drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 112 Jul 5 15:59 .fontconfig drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 50088 Jul 11 01:51 .gstreamer-0.10 drwxr- 2 dale2 users 112 Jul 5 15:59 .hplip drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 200 Jul 5 12:16 .kde4 drwxr-xr-x 3 dale2 users72 May 8 11:55 .local drwx-- 5 dale2 500 136 Jul 11 01:56 .mozilla drwx-- 2 dale2 users48 Apr 18 14:04 .ssh drwx-- 3 dale2 50072 Jul 5 12:21 .thumbnails -rw--- 1 dale2 500 0 Jul 11 01:59 .Xauthority -rw--- 1 dale2 500 50596 Jul 11 01:59 .xsession-errors root@fireball / # Why are some using the group users and others using my test user dale2? And what is group 500? Did you use your $HOME directory from another OS maybe? I don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the cause? You have the group, or else it would not be shown by ls. But you once group, which is only known by its GID 500 now. You can check your IDs with the 'id user' command. What exactly tells Linux to give those permissions? I looked around in /etc for some file that would set this but I can't find anything. Normally, files are created with your primary group. The one that is in the fourth column of your user in /etc/passwd, you set it with usermod -g. Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this? If you never intended to use different groups at all, chgrp -R users $HOME should do the trick. But I doubt it has anything to do with your kernel panics. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/ total 640 drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 .. drwx-- 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl -rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux [...] By comparison, check this out for my test user: root@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale2/ total 73 drwx-- 13 dale2 users 544 Jul 11 01:59 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root208 Jun 17 03:01 .. -rw--- 1 dale2 500 5 Jul 11 01:59 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 127 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 193 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 551 Apr 18 14:04 .bashrc drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 128 Jul 5 12:28 .config drwx-- 3 dale2 users80 May 8 11:55 .dbus drwx-- 2 dale2 users 144 May 8 11:55 Desktop -rw--- 1 dale2 users24 Jul 6 22:18 .dmrc drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 112 Jul 5 15:59 .fontconfig drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 50088 Jul 11 01:51 .gstreamer-0.10 drwxr- 2 dale2 users 112 Jul 5 15:59 .hplip drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 200 Jul 5 12:16 .kde4 drwxr-xr-x 3 dale2 users72 May 8 11:55 .local drwx-- 5 dale2 500 136 Jul 11 01:56 .mozilla drwx-- 2 dale2 users48 Apr 18 14:04 .ssh drwx-- 3 dale2 50072 Jul 5 12:21 .thumbnails -rw--- 1 dale2 500 0 Jul 11 01:59 .Xauthority -rw--- 1 dale2 500 50596 Jul 11 01:59 .xsession-errors root@fireball / # Why are some using the group users and others using my test user dale2? And what is group 500? Did you use your $HOME directory from another OS maybe? I did copy a couple directories from the old install, emails and such, but most everything was done fresh when I installed Gentoo on this rig. I tend to let the permissions stay as they are. I do change some permissions on my /data directory sometimes tho. Usually to prevent me from doing something accidentally you know. I have no idea what group 500 is or where it came from. That is one goood question. I don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the cause? You have the group, or else it would not be shown by ls. But you once group, which is only known by its GID 500 now. You can check your IDs with the 'iduser' command. What exactly tells Linux to give those permissions? I looked around in /etc for some file that would set this but I can't find anything. Normally, files are created with your primary group. The one that is in the fourth column of your user in /etc/passwd, you set it with usermod -g. That had 500 in it for the group. I guess that is how that happened but no idea how it got set that way. It's fixed now tho. Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this? If you never intended to use different groups at all, chgrp -R users $HOME should do the trick. But I doubt it has anything to do with your kernel panics. Wonko It may not but while I am grasping at straws, I'll get this fixed too. Thanks for the reply. I got some of this sorted out now. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:55:11 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: I'm actually speaking from experience here: the first thing I did on my Inspiron was wipe the HD and install Gentoo, only to learn that the wireless card was faulty. And since I could not run the standard Windows diagnostics they couldn't (wouldn't?) help me. So I booted the restore CD, put Windows back, and got a new NIC within about a week. What would you have done if the hard drive had failed? I always image the windows disk and then wipe it, but I'm aware that this is not completely reliable. some failures make restoration impossible. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 1: Microsoft Works signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On Saturday 23 Jul 2011 17:49:53 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:55:11 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: I'm actually speaking from experience here: the first thing I did on my Inspiron was wipe the HD and install Gentoo, only to learn that the wireless card was faulty. And since I could not run the standard Windows diagnostics they couldn't (wouldn't?) help me. So I booted the restore CD, put Windows back, and got a new NIC within about a week. What would you have done if the hard drive had failed? I always image the windows disk and then wipe it, but I'm aware that this is not completely reliable. some failures make restoration impossible. Yes, that's why I usually install Gentoo as a dual boot on a new machine. On the other hand, if the drive is dead what is Dell/HP/etc going to do? Take it apart and run forensics on the platters? O_O -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] NEW idea: Kernel panics and more info
I think I typed in something wrong and sort of made a mess of it. I had to copy a backup file for group and passwd to get things working again. Here is what I have right now: root@fireball / # cat /etc/passwd root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash bin:x:1:1:bin:/bin:/bin/false daemon:x:2:2:daemon:/sbin:/bin/false adm:x:3:4:adm:/var/adm:/bin/false lp:x:4:7:lp:/var/spool/lpd:/bin/false sync:x:5:0:sync:/sbin:/bin/sync shutdown:x:6:0:shutdown:/sbin:/sbin/shutdown halt:x:7:0:halt:/sbin:/sbin/halt mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail:/bin/false news:x:9:13:news:/usr/lib/news:/bin/false uucp:x:10:14:uucp:/var/spool/uucppublic:/bin/false operator:x:11:0:operator:/root:/bin/bash man:x:13:15:man:/usr/share/man:/bin/false postmaster:x:14:12:postmaster:/var/spool/mail:/bin/false portage:x:250:250:portage:/var/tmp/portage:/bin/false nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/:/bin/false sshd:x:22:22:added by portage for openssh:/var/empty:/sbin/nologin messagebus:x:101:199:added by portage for dbus:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin avahi:x:102:197:added by portage for avahi:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin mysql:x:60:60:added by portage for mysql:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin ldap:x:439:439:added by portage for openldap:/usr/lib64/openldap:/sbin/nologin cron:x:16:16:added by portage for cronbase:/var/spool/cron:/sbin/nologin uptimed:x:103:102:added by portage for uptimed:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin ntp:x:123:123:added by portage for ntp:/var/empty:/sbin/nologin games:x:36:35:added by portage for gnugo:/usr/games:/bin/bash haldaemon:x:104:101:added by portage for hal:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin dale:x:1000:1000::/home/dale:/bin/bash gkrellmd:x:105:997:added by portage for gkrellm:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin hsqldb:x:106:996:added by portage for hsqldb:/dev/null:/bin/sh kdm:x:107:995:added by portage for kdm:/var/lib/kdm-4.5:/sbin/nologin nut:x:84:84:added by portage for nut:/var/lib/nut:/sbin/nologin polkituser:x:108:994:added by portage for polkit:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin dale2:x:1001:500::/home/dale2:/bin/bash root@fireball / # cat /etc/groupNEW INFO ALERT root::0:root bin::1:root,bin,daemon daemon::2:root,bin,daemon sys::3:root,bin,adm adm::4:root,adm,daemon tty::5:dale,dale2 disk::6:root,adm lp::7:lp,dale,dale2 mem::8: kmem::9: wheel::10:root,dale,dale2 floppy::11:root,dale mail::12:mail news::13:news uucp::14:uucp,nut,dale,dale2 man::15:man console::17: audio::18:dale,dale2 cdrom::19:dale,dale2 dialout::20:root,dale,dale2 tape::26:root video::27:root,dale,dale2 cdrw::80:dale,dale2 usb::85:dale,dale2 users::100:games,dale,dale2 nofiles:x:200: smmsp:x:209:smmsp portage::250:portage utmp:x:406:dale,dale2 nogroup::65533: nobody::65534: sshd:x:22: messagebus:x:199: netdev:x:198: avahi:x:197: lpadmin:x:106:dale mysql:x:60: ldap:x:439: cron:x:16: locate:x:105: ssmtp:x:104: crontab:x:103: uptimed:x:102: ntp:x:123: games:x:35:dale,dale2 plugdev:x:999:dale,dale2 scanner:x:998:dale2 dale:x:1100: gkrellmd:x:997: hsqldb:x:996: kdm:x:995:dale2 nut:x:84:nut,dale,uucp polkituser:x:994:dale,dale2 wireshark:x:993:dale,dale2 dale2:x:1000: root@fireball / # What I would like to do is get rid of things that shouldn't be there. It appears I have a group or two that shouldn't exist. I guess anyway. I know about groupdel but want to make sure before I actually do anything AGAIN. When I did this a few minutes ago, kdm would let me login until I restored group and passwd. Should I have a group called dale and dale2? Those are my users. dale is my main account and dale2 is for when I need to test a clean account. Does anyone see anything else that needs fixin here? Thanks much. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 09:45:07AM -0500, Dale wrote: YoYo Siska wrote: I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most likely in that operation.. I just find it downright odd that a browser causes a panic because of a download when other programs, like emerge, can download just fine. Dale, what YoYo meant was precisely that: emerge gets files using wget (unless you configured it otherwise) which writes directly to the directory, whereas Firefox would first download something to (I guess) /tmp and (according to YoYo) write it to the correct name/directory once you give it to the browser. So YoYo is suspecting that it is this move of the file from /tmp (or whereever) to your download directory that is giving the kernel panic. BTW, you mentioned that this happened after a power-outage. Have you completely checked your disks and filesystem's health? W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!
On Saturday 23 July 2011 09:28:43 Mick wrote: Well, have a look at http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu- b...@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1483058.html for an example how the open source atidrivers can hang X with firefox. Note that compositing was enabled here (compiz). And here's another one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436632 Thanks for these links. This machine has an ATI Radeon X600 (RV380) 3E50 (PCIE). I have noticed that when I hover over the K menu, or when I select Log out/Shut down, I lose the wallpaper and the whole screen is filled with horizontal tearing/artifacts. This is what makes me thing that this is an xorg breakage rather than FF or KDE. Here's a more recent one: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38792 This is in kernel-bugzilla, but seems to be a bug in the userspace part of the driver. KDE is of course heavier than XFCE or Fluxbox in graphic terms and this may be pushing things over the edge. That's what I think. The ati-drivers are in heavy development, KMS and all the other new shiny things. There are a few options for xorg.conf you could try. I have read about some problems with ColorTiling, so maybe setting ColorTiling to false helps a bit. See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI for some details on how to do this. Regards Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't kill Firefox!
On Saturday 23 July 2011 10:24:17 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 22.07.2011 21:20, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: Maybe because you did not enable compositing in xfce4, but use it with kde4? No, disabling composition is the first thing I do. Ah, thanks. Without a backtrace it's hard to tell then what's going on here. Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
On Saturday, July 23 at 09:35 (-0500), Dale said: Albert Hopkins wrote: [...] Anyway, here's something... did you actually report a bug? If a tree falls in the forest... I haven't filed a bug because at the moment we have not been able to figure out exactly what is causing it. Well, if you knew what was causing it, then you wouldn't need to report a bug as you could just fix it yourself :P Look, you know it's a kernel panic. You know kernels aren't supposed to panic. You know fairly well how to repeat the bug, so I don't see anything getting int he way of you reporting it. That's my take on it anyway. -a
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
Willie Wong wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 09:45:07AM -0500, Dale wrote: YoYo Siska wrote: I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most likely in that operation.. I just find it downright odd that a browser causes a panic because of a download when other programs, like emerge, can download just fine. Dale, what YoYo meant was precisely that: emerge gets files using wget (unless you configured it otherwise) which writes directly to the directory, whereas Firefox would first download something to (I guess) /tmp and (according to YoYo) write it to the correct name/directory once you give it to the browser. So YoYo is suspecting that it is this move of the file from /tmp (or whereever) to your download directory that is giving the kernel panic. BTW, you mentioned that this happened after a power-outage. Have you completely checked your disks and filesystem's health? W I understand what he was saying and I already knew it done it that way. I posted that in a reply somewhere. It does the initial part to /tmp until you tell it otherwise, then it goes there. I can't recall it not being that way. It's just hard for me to believe that Firefox or Seamonkey downloading some file would cause a kernel panic like this. This just isn't like Linux. I think the power outage was a coincidence at this point. That said, I have tested all sorts of things including running memtest. Hardware wise, everything seems fine. I also blew out the dust bunnies which was not much. I generally do this about every month or so. Just hoping some update will change things, eventually. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On 7/23/2011 12:49 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:55:11 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: I'm actually speaking from experience here: the first thing I did on my Inspiron was wipe the HD and install Gentoo, only to learn that the wireless card was faulty. And since I could not run the standard Windows diagnostics they couldn't (wouldn't?) help me. So I booted the restore CD, put Windows back, and got a new NIC within about a week. What would you have done if the hard drive had failed? I always image the windows disk and then wipe it, but I'm aware that this is not completely reliable. some failures make restoration impossible. If the hard drive failed to the point that I couldn't restore it to factory defaults I suspect they would have a hard time telling if I was running Windows or not :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.0 and oldconfig
Albert Hopkins wrote: On Saturday, July 23 at 09:35 (-0500), Dale said: Albert Hopkins wrote: [...] Anyway, here's something... did you actually report a bug? If a tree falls in the forest... I haven't filed a bug because at the moment we have not been able to figure out exactly what is causing it. Well, if you knew what was causing it, then you wouldn't need to report a bug as you could just fix it yourself :P Look, you know it's a kernel panic. You know kernels aren't supposed to panic. You know fairly well how to repeat the bug, so I don't see anything getting int he way of you reporting it. That's my take on it anyway. -a It is a good point. I would like to be able to give some more details other than when I try to download a file in Firefox or Seamonkey, I get a kernel panic. That's not really a lot of info to give them and I'm not sure what they could do with the little info. Since it is using the network, is it a nic driver? Is it a problem with the video drivers since it is sometimes opening/closing a new window when it does it too? Could it be something totally unrelated to those two? I don't mind filing bug reports but I like to be able to say more than it is broke. ;-) I'm thinking about taking a nic out of my old machine and putting in here. That would narrow that down at least. You are right, this is not like Linux. It is rare that I have any sort of trouble like this. I guess hal and xorg was the worst so far. At least right now my keyboard and mouse are working. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On Saturday 23 July 2011 19:45:50 Dale wrote: I have tested all sorts of things including running memtest. Which version? The latest in Gentoo predates the introduction of support (whatever that is) for the i-5 and i-7 CPUs. That was version 4.19 if I remember aright. You can get the latest version from www.memtest.org. It may make no difference, but you might as well use the latest version, no? -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter number 5290
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 23 July 2011 19:45:50 Dale wrote: I have tested all sorts of things including running memtest. Which version? The latest in Gentoo predates the introduction of support (whatever that is) for the i-5 and i-7 CPUs. That was version 4.19 if I remember aright. You can get the latest version from www.memtest.org. It may make no difference, but you might as well use the latest version, no? I downloaded the latest systemrescue and used it. Also, I have a AMD CPU. Just not a Intel guy. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On Saturday 23 July 2011 20:46:41 Dale wrote: I have a AMD CPU. Just not a Intel guy. Oh, sorry. My mistake. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter number 5290
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 23 July 2011 20:46:41 Dale wrote: I have a AMD CPU. Just not a Intel guy. Oh, sorry. My mistake. No problem. If you hadn't mentioned it, I would have been sitting on one that the test don't work on. lol Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On 2011-07-23, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: If things break you'll have to replace components yourself - to be honest unless a CPU/MoBo goes bad on you it is relatively cheap to by a drive or PSU these days. If something breaks (aside from the hard drive), send it in for repair without the hard drive. That's what I did with my IBM Thinkpad a few years back, and IBM couldn't have cared less. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I want to read my new at poem about pork brains and gmail.comouter space ...
[gentoo-user] [HEADS UP] New kernel version 3.0 breaks build of latest python updates
This will affect (I think) only ~arch users. If you are running the new linux kernel version 3.0, you will find that today's update of python will fail with the error plat-linux2 not found. That's because the python configure scripts will detect the version 3 kernel and will try to use plat-linux3 instead of plat-linux2. To finish today's update of python2 and python3, just boot with any kernel-2.6.x and repeat the python update.
Re: [gentoo-user] [HEADS UP] New kernel version 3.0 breaks build of latest python updates
walt wrote: This will affect (I think) only ~arch users. If you are running the new linux kernel version 3.0, you will find that today's update of python will fail with the error plat-linux2 not found. That's because the python configure scripts will detect the version 3 kernel and will try to use plat-linux3 instead of plat-linux2. To finish today's update of python2 and python3, just boot with any kernel-2.6.x and repeat the python update. Did you by chance file a roach report? If so, number or link please. Sounds like 2.6.40 may have been a better idea. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
... Next I'd look at tuning your Mysql config. If you've never touched my.cnf, by default it's set to use 64MB IIRC. You may need to raise this to get better performance. key_buffer and innodb_buffer_pool_size are the only two I'd modify without knowing more. kashani I'm running InnoDB and I've changed both key_buffer and innodb_buffer_pool_size to 256MB. Does that sound about right? Does this mean I've allocated a total of 512MB VM to mysql? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] [HEADS UP] New kernel version 3.0 breaks build of latest python updates
On Saturday 23 July 2011 16:32:39 Dale did opine thusly: walt wrote: This will affect (I think) only ~arch users. If you are running the new linux kernel version 3.0, you will find that today's update of python will fail with the error plat-linux2 not found. That's because the python configure scripts will detect the version 3 kernel and will try to use plat-linux3 instead of plat-linux2. To finish today's update of python2 and python3, just boot with any kernel-2.6.x and repeat the python update. Did you by chance file a roach report? If so, number or link please. Sounds like 2.6.40 may have been a better idea. lol Dear god, no! May I point your attention over to portage so you can see for yourself how silly that can get? 100 _rc versions and currently at 46 _alphas. It's starting to look like svn commit numbers would be a better number scheme :-) Maintainers everywhere will simply have to update their install scripts (the usual point of failure for something like this) and it will be mostly fixed everywhere in about a fortnight. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [HEADS UP] New kernel version 3.0 breaks build of latest python updates
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 23 July 2011 16:32:39 Dale did opine thusly: walt wrote: This will affect (I think) only ~arch users. If you are running the new linux kernel version 3.0, you will find that today's update of python will fail with the error plat-linux2 not found. That's because the python configure scripts will detect the version 3 kernel and will try to use plat-linux3 instead of plat-linux2. To finish today's update of python2 and python3, just boot with any kernel-2.6.x and repeat the python update. Did you by chance file a roach report? If so, number or link please. Sounds like 2.6.40 may have been a better idea. lol Dear god, no! May I point your attention over to portage so you can see for yourself how silly that can get? 100 _rc versions and currently at 46 _alphas. It's starting to look like svn commit numbers would be a better number scheme :-) Maintainers everywhere will simply have to update their install scripts (the usual point of failure for something like this) and it will be mostly fixed everywhere in about a fortnight. Looks like they could have went to 2.6.99 then. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade query
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:01:31 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thursday 21 July 2011 10:01:10 j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk wrote: A little advice please? I am about to build a new box going from athlon dual core to phenom six core. Including new sata drives and motherboard. I was going to clone all my partitions and the re emerged all packages with march native Firstly would you reccommend cloning and if so what is best technology? Second is a complete reinstall a better option or safer? are you using ACLs? if not a good old cp -auv is sufficient. But.. why clone the system? This is a good chance to get rid of cruft and forgotten packages. A clean installation (and copied /etc) might not be a bad choice. Thanks Gentoo. A combination of a new install, rsyncing all personal data, distfiles, /etc has worked wonders. Its nice to see that it is quicker to install Gentoo and get it up and running pretty much as previously than installing another well known operating system which took hours to download updates and hours of searching the web for right drivers. And this is totally free. LONG LIVE GENTOO
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On Saturday 23 July 2011 16:11:20 Mick did opine thusly: So, if I choose the amd64 iso and Stage 3, it doesn't have to be on an AMD machine? Correct, you will use this iso (or systemrescueCD or Knoppix) and a Staqe 3 equivalent to build a system on an Intel 64bit CPU. Just to flesh it out a bit more: The name amd64 came about because it's the 64 bit instruction set that AMD designed for their 64-bit chips. There was an earlier 64 bit cpu from Intel, but we don't talk about it anymore (and it has nothing to do with this topic). Anyway, the name is a nod to the company that designed it, and has nothing to do with the manufacturer of your CPU. Intel later had to eat humble pie and implement AMD's design just to stay relevant in the market, that's why 64 bit Intel chips run on an architecture that Gentoo calls amd64. The 32 bit design is called x86 because that was the general name in use for 20+ years prior. Most other distros call the amd64 design by the name x86_64 or similar, Gentoo is the most visible exception. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On Saturday 23 July 2011 18:35:20 Mick did opine thusly: On Saturday 23 Jul 2011 17:49:53 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:55:11 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: I'm actually speaking from experience here: the first thing I did on my Inspiron was wipe the HD and install Gentoo, only to learn that the wireless card was faulty. And since I could not run the standard Windows diagnostics they couldn't (wouldn't?) help me. So I booted the restore CD, put Windows back, and got a new NIC within about a week. What would you have done if the hard drive had failed? I always image the windows disk and then wipe it, but I'm aware that this is not completely reliable. some failures make restoration impossible. Yes, that's why I usually install Gentoo as a dual boot on a new machine. On the other hand, if the drive is dead what is Dell/HP/etc going to do? Take it apart and run forensics on the platters? They tried that with us once. But only once. They got a response something like We buy in excess of 5,000 servers from you per year. Are you really going to quibble about one measly notebook drive? In Dell's defense, I honestly think the rep on the phone was new and recently headhunted away from HP. He hadn't yet been grooved into how stuff really works. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: [HEADS UP] New kernel version 3.0 breaks build of latest python updates
On 07/23/2011 02:09 PM, walt wrote: To finish today's update of python2 and python3, just boot with any kernel-2.6.x and repeat the python update. Well, not just any kernel-2.6.x. Python needs the kernel sources for your 2.6.x kernel to be installed and configured. And (maybe) needs the /usr/src/linux symlink to point at the 2.6 sources, but I'm not sure of that last point.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, new computer, still a bit confused
On 07/23/11 18:24, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 23 July 2011 16:11:20 Mick did opine thusly: So, if I choose the amd64 iso and Stage 3, it doesn't have to be on an AMD machine? Correct, you will use this iso (or systemrescueCD or Knoppix) and a Staqe 3 equivalent to build a system on an Intel 64bit CPU. Just to flesh it out a bit more: The name amd64 came about because it's the 64 bit instruction set that AMD designed for their 64-bit chips. There was an earlier 64 bit cpu from Intel, but we don't talk about it anymore (and it has nothing to do with this topic). Anyway, the name is a nod to the company that designed it, and has nothing to do with the manufacturer of your CPU. Intel later had to eat humble pie and implement AMD's design just to stay relevant in the market, that's why 64 bit Intel chips run on an architecture that Gentoo calls amd64. The 32 bit design is called x86 because that was the general name in use for 20+ years prior. Most other distros call the amd64 design by the name x86_64 or similar, Gentoo is the most visible exception. Thanks for this, Alan! And thanks to all for the responses. Honestly, I wasn't so much worried about the hardware breaking. I took the leap and wiped Windows off my laptop and never had any issues. But I've never dealt with 64-bit stuff and I wanted to make sure that I made the right choices. Thanks to the feedback from this list, I am confident that I can. If I run into any problems, this will be the first place I turn! :-) Warranty is not a super huge issue. The computer I got was a super good deal - it came with 1 year warranty, but I never purchased extended warranty. And to be honest, I've had a total of 4 Dell computers and never had any hardware issues at all (touch wood!). My laptop is 4 years old and I've reinstalled Gentoo on it about 3 times - the original install, once because I screwed up the MBR when I hit the media button instead of the power button and then recently when I kept getting blocks for KDE packages and KDE had gone to KDE SC. Thanks, again! :-) Colleen -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org
[gentoo-user] Error on freemind execution
Hello, Just emerged freemind package and installation was fine, but when I try to run freemind it gives me the error as follows: $ freemind Looking for user properties: /home/akio/.freemind/user.properties User properties found. Default (System) Look Feel: com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel *Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported* aborting... Aborted What could be the cause of this error? I understood that this error is related to gnome3 or gkt3 but so far I did not do any kind of these packages installation so I am a little bit lost on this... Anyone could help me? Thanks a lot, Regards, Akio
[gentoo-user] root fs moved, but no init
Summary; Copied / from sda3 to sdb3 Updated the fstab in the new disk (/dev/sdb3 / btrfs noatime,compress=lzo0 0) Updated the kernel line's root=/dev/sda3 to /dev/sdb3 in grub.conf, but left the root (hd0,0) as it is. So, kernel is loaded from sda but init should run from sdb. When booting the kernel successfully mounts /dev/sdb3 as root fs Then the system halts at one of the freeing memory messages, but I assume the problem is that init isn't executed from /dev/sdb3 Since root is mounted, i know i have all the drivers I need in the kernel. Any ideas why booting stops?
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
... If my main rig starts using swap a lot, I'm going to be very curious. I even used 8Gbs to put portages work directory on tmpfs. I still didn't use any swap. By the way, that doesn't seem to make the compiles any faster. o_O CPU bottleneck? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] mysqld invoked oom-killer
... That all makes perfect sense. So the reason a swap larger than maybe 1GB is not usually implemented is because idle processes don't normally have more than a few hundred MB of pages in memory? That's not entirely true, either. For example, My laptop has 4GB of swap. Why? Well, because I use hibernate and hibernate works on the swap partition and I want to make sure that I have enough swap to write all my memory to swap (actually It's now compressed so actually I probablldon't really need that much). Wouldn't a sufficiently large swap (100GB for example) completely prevent out of memory conditions and the oom-killer? No. oom killer kicks in when your system is out of virtual memory. Consider this example: You have 4GB RAM You have 0 swap. Therefore you have a total of 4GB virtual memory. The second all your processes try to consume more than 4G of virtual memory, oom killer will kick in* Consider the next example You have 4GB RAM You have 100GB swap. Therefore you have a total of 104GB virtual memory The second all your processes try to consume more than 104GB of virtual memory, oom killer will kick in. Oom killer works on virtual memory (RAM + swap). So it doesn't matter how much RAM you have or how much swap you have, when the total virtual memory is consumed, oom killer is called. The secret is to not run out of virtual memory. There is no *easy* way not to run out of virtual memory. You either don't consume as much VM, or you provide more VM (either through RAM or swap). * This is not entirely true, the system also needs memory for the kernel, buffers, hardware drivers, and other things which simply cannot be paged out to disk, so the actual number will be less than the amount of VM. You have all been very patient with me and I truly appreciate it. Let's see if I've got it. When the system is in a healthy state, swap is used to store pages of idle processes (which should not typically amount to more than about 200MB) in order to free up as much RAM as possible for filesystem cache if nothing else. Linux will attempt to fill any unused RAM with filesystem cache. The system should be configured to assure it will not use an amount of memory greater than the amount of physical RAM, otherwise the system may run out of physical RAM. If this happens and the system has no swap, the system will initiate the oom-killer. If this happens and the system has swap, the system will thrash until it runs out of swap at which point it will initiate the oom-killer. Besides providing storage for idle process pages, when available physical RAM is depleted, swap gives the user some time to intervene before the oom-killer is initiated, although at that point the system will be in a state of thrashing. Too much swap will cause the system to thrash for a long time before the oom-killer is initiated which is not ideal. How did I do? Is there anything else I should keep in mind? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Error on freemind execution
It looks like freemind looks for Look and Feel properties in /home/akio/.freemind/user.properties. user.properties is set to use java swing GTK library (GTK.LookAndFeel). Not sure how exactly that works but that is my guess. You might want to backup user.properties file and try to edit it (remove) GTK from there. Maybe emerging freemind with USE=-gtk would help? On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 7:46 PM, akio.tam...@gmail.com akio.tam...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Just emerged freemind package and installation was fine, but when I try to run freemind it gives me the error as follows: $ freemind Looking for user properties: /home/akio/.freemind/user.properties User properties found. Default (System) Look Feel: com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel *Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported* aborting... Aborted What could be the cause of this error? I understood that this error is related to gnome3 or gkt3 but so far I did not do any kind of these packages installation so I am a little bit lost on this... Anyone could help me? Thanks a lot, Regards, Akio
Re: [gentoo-user] Error on freemind execution
Hi Srdjan, Thank you, but *user.**properties* has all lines commented so I believe it is not the cause of this issue... USE=-gtk does not make any difference as well. Anyway I will keep trying to find out what is wrong... Regards, On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Srdjan Rakic srk...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like freemind looks for Look and Feel properties in /home/akio/.freemind/user.properties. user.properties is set to use java swing GTK library (GTK.LookAndFeel). Not sure how exactly that works but that is my guess. You might want to backup user.properties file and try to edit it (remove) GTK from there. Maybe emerging freemind with USE=-gtk would help? On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 7:46 PM, akio.tam...@gmail.com akio.tam...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Just emerged freemind package and installation was fine, but when I try to run freemind it gives me the error as follows: $ freemind Looking for user properties: /home/akio/.freemind/user.properties User properties found. Default (System) Look Feel: com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel *Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported* aborting... Aborted What could be the cause of this error? I understood that this error is related to gnome3 or gkt3 but so far I did not do any kind of these packages installation so I am a little bit lost on this... Anyone could help me? Thanks a lot, Regards, Akio
Re: [gentoo-user] eselect for managing virtuals
* Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: However, what you want can still be done without touching the ebuilds because it would really just be an alias for `emerge --one-shot new_alternative emerge --depclean old_alternative revdep-rebuild` (in the easiest, non-blocking case). No, this isn't enough. I want an stable method which never leaves the system in an inconsistent state. When revdep-rebuild is required, there's normally a period of time where some installed packages are broken (okay, preserved-libs makes it better), exactly what I never want on a productive system. I personally wouldn't want to automate this. The problem is that different virtuals need different switching strategies. Converting from jpeg to jpeg-turbo is relatively straight-forward. Switching between httpd-basic implementations, on the other hand, needs manual work to carry over config files and such. I didn't intend to do this fully automatic, for all virtuals. Just a bunch of special ones which just handle the scenarios of exchanging libraries (also on different/incompatible ABIs). Maybe it would be a better idea to teach emerge to warn the user when a default virtual implementation is about to be installed and show the different alternatives. Similarly emerge --sync or eix-sync could inform the user when a new alternative package for an already installed virtual is available. Indeed, that would be a good feature. Isn't that problem resolved in portage-2.2 by keeping the old library file around until all packages have been re-emerged? The preserve-libs stuff ? I'm not sure how it actually works under the hood, but as far as I can see it, it's just done for certain critical libs yet (eg. openssl), and the package manager doesn't know much of it, just keeps certain files around. So manual revdep-rebuild runs and removals of old libs is still required. cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 36207 519931 email: weig...@metux.de mobile: +49 151 27565287 icq: 210169427 skype: nekrad666 -- Embedded-Linux / Portierung / Opensource-QM / Verteilte Systeme --
